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| rathmussen
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5/13/2008 11:32 PM
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Looks like scientists are starting to take Morgellons seriously...as cited in the article below, one researcher discovered the threads are genetically similar to a fungus and another showed the presence of Agrobacterium. It's not clearly stated in the article but this bacteria is used in genetic modification a lot because of it's ability to transfer genes to plants and fungi for plant improvement.
If I had this horrid thing, I would try borax rinses and eating a pinch of borax, wetting a mound of baking soda and securing it under a band-aid. Try turmeric in the same way too and try eating a few tablespoons a day. I would also try chlorine dioxide (Miracle Mineral Supplement), which is supposed to attack negative gram bacteria (it's untested, but there are no other treatments out there so what the hell).
Let's hope that this is an accidental thing (um...like AIDS and cancer viruses in the original vaccines.....) and not a bio weapon test or something equally awful. The jury is going to always be out on most things like this, so get tough with it and try not to feel too targeted. If the cause is organic in nature, regardless of any other elements, you have a shot at zapping it.
I'm sorry for everyone who has been assuming this is just a psychological thing. I wish everyone dealing with this thing a safe journey back to health.
[link to www.naturalnews.com]
Morgellons Disease May Be Linked to Genetically Modified Food
by Barbara L. Minton
(NaturalNews) The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) has given care giant Kaiser Permanente over $300,000 to test and interview 150 to 500 patients suffering from Morgellons Disease. The study will be done in northern California where many Morgellons patients live.
Prior to this news, people had written off the disease as a hoax or the result of hypochondria. But recent evidence suggests that the disease is indeed real, and may be related to genetically modified (GM) food.
What is Morgellons Disease?
On August 1, 2007, the CDC issued the following statement regarding Morgellons Disease: “Morgellons is an unexplained and debilitating condition that has emerged as a public health concern. Recently, the CDC has received an increased number of inquiries from the public, health care providers, public health officials, Congress, and the media regarding this condition. Persons who suffer from this condition report a range of coetaneous symptoms including crawling, biting and stinging sensations; granules, threads or black speck-like materials on or beneath the skin; and/or lesions (e.g., rashes or sores) and some sufferers also report systemic manifestations such as fatigue, mental confusion, short term memory loss, joint pain, and changes in vision. Moreover, some who suffer from this condition appear to have substantial morbidity and social dysfunction, which can include decreased work productivity or job loss, total disability, familial estrangement, divorce, loss of child custody, home abandonment, and suicidal ideation.”
As of February, 2007, approximately 10,000 families had registered with the Morgellons Research Foundation (MRF) and felt they or a member of their family met criteria for Morgellons as defined by the MRF. Of the U.S. families in the MRF registry, 24% reside in California with geographic clustering in the San Francisco metropolitan areas.
In New Science magazine, Sept. 15-21 edition, Daniel Elkan describes a patient who for years has been “finding tiny blue, red and black fibers growing from intensely itchy lesions on his skin.” These fibers appear like pliable plastic and can be several millimeters long. Some appear in a zig-zag pattern. These fibers can be as fine as spider silk, yet they are strong enough to distend the skin when pulled.
A May 18, 2006 story carried by KGW, a local news channel in Oregon, recounts the story of a family practice doctor experiencing the disease. She reported feeling like bugs were crawling under her skin. “If I fully tell people what has gone on with me medically, they think they’re in the twilight zone,” said Dr. Drottar who woke up with the feeling that fluid was flowing just below her skin. When black or blue hair-like fibers protruded from her skin, she reported thinking she had been exposed to asbestos. “I thought I was having asbestos fibers come out of my skin. I was pulling long, thin, small hair-like fibers that were extremely sharp that could literally pierce through my finger nail.”
According to Dr. Drottar, these symptoms were accompanied by severe depression, chronic fatigue and a weakened immune system. This debilitating condition forced her to give up her medical practice.
Effective treatment for Morgellons suffers has been elusive. Doctors have claimed that this type of disease must be caused by a parasite, but even the strongest anti-parasitic medications have not helped. In the past, psychologists have insisted that this was a new version of delusional parasitosis, a form of psychosis in which suffers hold a delusional belief that they are infected by parasites.
The Morgellons, GM Link
According to the CDC statement, the etiology of Morgellons is unknown, and the medical community has insufficient information to determine whether persons who identify themselves as having the disease have a common cause for their symptoms. In April, 2006, the CDC recommended an epidemiologic investigation. It was not until January 16, 2008 that the care grant to Kaiser Permanente was announced.
In the meantime, a research team from Oklahoma State University lead by Dr. Randy Wymore, studied some of the fibers sent to them by Morgellons patients. They discovered that fibers from different people looked remarkably similar to each other and yet seemed to match no common environmental fibers.
Ahmed Kilani, a specialist in infectious disease detection, claimed to have broken down two fiber samples and extracted their DNA. He found that they belonged to a fungus.
In an even more provocative finding, Vitaly Citovsky, Professor of Biochemistry and Cell Biology at Stony Brook University in New York, discovered that the fibers contained the substance Agrobacterium, a genus of gram-negative bacteria capable of genetically transforming not only plants, but also other eukaryotic species, including human cells.
Anonymous samples were provided to Professor Citovsky by the Morgellons Research Foundation to use in investigating the potential presence of Agrobacterium in biopsies from Morgellons patients. Control reactions included samples provided by healthy donors. Only Morgellons, not healthy subjects, tested positive in these studies.
According to a statement issued by Professor Citovsky, this observation does not imply that Agrobacterium causes Morgellons or that Morgellons is indeed an infectious disease. However, it does encourage future studies to determine (1) statistical significance of data, (2) whether Agrobacterium is not only present extracellularly, but also causes genetic transformation of the infected tissues, and (3) whether infection of laboratory animals with Agrobacterium can recreate symptoms of Morgellons.
Sources:
“Background information on the involvement of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in the investigation of Morgellons disease in the U.S.", published by the CDC.
“Skin Disease May Be Linked to GM Food”, Whitley Strieber’s Unknown Country, Oct. 12, 2007.
“Serious Study of Mystery Disease” Whitney Strieber’s Unknown Country, Jan. 31, 2008.
“GMO Disease Epidemics: (10) Bt-cotton Fiber Disease”, Myron Stagman, Ph.D., Portland independent media center
Morgellons Watch, "Clarification from Vitaly Citovsky" |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 182084
5/14/2008 12:09 AM | | Re: New Morgellons reveals link to bacteria/fungus from GM food | Quote |
Lay off the LSD. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 432811
5/14/2008 6:09 AM | | Re: New Morgellons reveals link to bacteria/fungus from GM food | Quote |
84 'lay off the lsd'what a fucking ignorant arsehole you are.Morgellons is real you fuckwit...with your IQ of about 40 it should have been best if your mother had aborted you. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 432924
5/14/2008 10:22 AM | | Re: New Morgellons reveals link to bacteria/fungus from GM food | Quote |
I had a touch of this disease back in 2004, and it's worse than you can imagine. It's the "itch from hell" that is almost impossible to get rid of. I did some research on nematodes and found similarities, then got rid of it with the use of both internal and topical applications of powerful enzymes in order to dissolve the protein coating of the mysterious "insect".
It's possible that they are already embedded in imported cotton, according to some victims who did some investigating. It's also possible they may come from eating GM corn as it was about that time I bought corn on the cob without realizing that the farm that had formerly produced the real stuff sold out to an agricultural conglomerate. Of course, I never bought it again!
My heart goes out to those who are suffering from this mind-blowing invasion from hell. It's pure torture. Many have committed suicide, it's that bad.
. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 401342
5/14/2008 10:30 AM | | Re: New Morgellons reveals link to bacteria/fungus from GM food | Quote |
Morgellons is nothing but the digusting scabs and sores due to habitual meth use.
Morgellons case = meth addict
end of topic |
| rathmussen
User ID: 383866
5/14/2008 11:23 AM | | Re: New Morgellons reveals link to bacteria/fungus from GM food | Quote |
Morgellons is nothing but the digusting scabs and sores due to habitual meth use.
Morgellons case = meth addict
end of topic Quoting: Anonymous Coward 401342
It doesn't seem to be afflicting only people with high risk behaviours. Part of the reason it's getting studied as a real disease now is because of the types of people showing up with it. I'm sure there are some people who slip into obsessive or paranoid thinking (perhaps after spending too much time on sites like these! :) and I have seen pictures of drug addicts who scratch holes into their skin because they see or feel bugs there, but it's silly to dump everyone into the same pot.
I don't believe everything I read but I'm not about to disbelieve everything either. If scientists are studying these strange uniform "threads" stuck to people and finding fungus DNA, I'm inclined to think it's a weird infection not some psychosomatic affliction.
New diseases are bound to spring up when we play with the DNA of the food we eat and the food microbes are eating (and when we play with the DNA of microbes...). |
| SD nli
User ID: 287857
5/14/2008 11:53 AM | | Re: New Morgellons reveals link to bacteria/fungus from GM food | Quote |
GMO and GE foods are Frankenfoods
They are a blight on our health and our food supplies
those who destroy the earth will be destroyed
as they sow so shall they reap
They have sown SEEDS OF DECEPTION
I had posted this very thing many times even at glp
Many scoffed but soon they best go back and read
Much of it was planned as when they gentically MONKEY with DNA they are replaying the days of Noah(Noe)
and their research on the ladder(dna) will not serve them-they will fail
With the genetic splicing they can cross species alot easier and some microbe or disease will get out of hand
All bees that are ill have 3-5 health conditions-one is almost always fungus At least 1/3 of all bees are GONE
other pollinators have fungus
butterflies
bats
and think of the pollinating antlers do....the moose in Minnesota, in Maine and in NH are wasting away due to fungus...I believe alot of this is contrived and there has been collusion with the pharmacy industry, the pesticide industry, the Frankenfoods industry(monsanto, dupont, usPioneer,Bayer...)and even the oil cabal boys to ensanre and deceive to help bring in O.W.N(nwoBS)
bt cotton-I had posted a few yrs back that there had been some splicing with high temp organisms that lived by the thermal vents underwater where most life would die
Those creatures were based in sulphur ....and it just seems to fit with some other thing they had combined it with
I considered that the 'parasite' was not totally organic and there have been papers on that as well but that it was sooooo resistant to dying or heat or whatever
I felt the tie in was "the days of Noah" and with their human animal chimeras and so on-Frankenstein is obviously their hero
NFL fallen angels, the giants of old are up to endgame final play moves
be aware
the soil bacterium critical to plant life is being destroyed by metals like barium and aluminum
it is spelling serfdom for the majority
It is purposeful
but still one needs not panic |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 321994
5/14/2008 12:03 PM | | Re: New Morgellons reveals link to bacteria/fungus from GM food | Quote |
Morgellons is nothing but the digusting scabs and sores due to habitual meth use.
Morgellons case = meth addict
end of topic Quoting: Anonymous Coward 401342
 for truth! |
| Duncan Kunz 
The Debunker King
User ID: 328931
5/14/2008 12:18 PM
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I see where the author of that crap, Barbara Minton, is a "school psychologist", which isn't surprising; it's obvious she knows damn little about either medical science or even making a logical connection.
Either that, or she's just another bozo-ess trying to lie her way into getting people to buy into her agenda.
Here's what I'm talking about:
Her entire boatload of bullshit is to convince you that Morgellons is linked to GM food, so that you'll think tha GM food causes Morgellons.
And what does she have to back up her editorializing? Here's her own quotes:
"But recent evidence suggests that the disease is indeed real, and may be related to genetically modified (GM) food."
And the "evidence"?
“Morgellons is an unexplained and debilitating condition ..."
"Doctors have claimed that this type of disease must be caused by a parasite, but even the strongest anti-parasitic medications have not helped. In the past, psychologists have insisted that this was a new version of delusional parasitosis, a form of psychosis in which suffers hold a delusional belief that they are infected by parasites."
"...the etiology of Morgellons is unknown, and the medical community has insufficient information to determine whether persons who identify themselves as having the disease have a common cause for their symptoms."
"Ahmed Kilani ... found that they belonged to a fungus."
"the fibers contained the substance Agrobacterium, a genus of gram-negative bacteria capable of genetically transforming not only plants, but also other eukaryotic species, including human cells."
What does this mean -- "substance"? Did Citovsky find bacteria or just "substances" from the bacteria? And what were those "substances"? Proteins? Amino acids? DNA? Hydrocarbon molecules? And are any of them capable of genetically transforming eukaryotic cells?
All I can get is that some DNA was found in the fibers of the Morgellon's patients. But if you goodle "agrobacterium", you will see that it is an opportunistic critter which often shows up in people with compromised immune systems.
This means that the agrobacterium could be the result of the Morgellon's Syndrome as opposed to the cause of it.
Citovsky himself says:
"...this observation does not imply that Agrobacterium causes Morgellons or that Morgellons is indeed an infectious disease."
And even if the agrobacterium does have the capability to cause eukaryotic cell mutation, that would make it a positive causative agent for cancer, which has been around for thousands of years before anyone came up with GM food.
The bottom line is that Minton is just cherry-picking unrelated data to get you to believe that GM foods are dangerous (which they may be) and that they're somehow responsible for Morgellon's (for which there is no evidence whatsoever).
The only thing that same Minton and the other scamsters' bacon is that there are a lot of people who will look at her stuff without trying to actually review the original studies and use common sense...
...something I suggest we all do when looking at unsubstantiated claims like this!!
July 10, 2002 - July 10, 2008
Six Years as the Debunker King on GLP! |
| Anonymous Coward
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5/14/2008 12:24 PM | | Re: New Morgellons reveals link to bacteria/fungus from GM food | Quote |
don't panic, it's not in the food. moregellons is nanotechnology made by monsanto. it is a nanobot. the agrobacterium is what unlocks the dna to let the nano in, it then hijacks the dna. the lyme bacteria is always present because the whole thing is spliced onto it, because it is a long one, also it is how it takes up residence in the body. there is also a stealth virus in there called sv40, which combines with the lyme to make waht is called a viteria. as i said, don't panic. moregellons has t be delivered by a shot, generally tetnus, or by a smart dust which goes into street drugs and the junkies inject it. you cant get it from contact with people or from food. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 432996
5/14/2008 12:28 PM | | Re: New Morgellons reveals link to bacteria/fungus from GM food | Quote |
Yugoslav virologist Dr. Veljko Veljkovic warns against AIDS vaccines that can generate new viral and bacterial pathogens and trigger cancer, on account of a recombination hotspot in the AIDS viral gene.
He intends to campaign against GM crops with the CaMV 35S promoter for the same reasons.
Dr. Mae-Wan Ho reports on the similarity between recombination hotspots of many genes, including the prion protein associated with mad cow disease, and their potential to generate superviruses and superbugs.
GM crops trigger the designer diseases we have in our bodies frm the vaccines they give us. |
| Duncan Kunz
The Debunker King
User ID: 328931
5/14/2008 3:57 PM
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Yugoslav virologist Dr. Veljko Veljkovic warns against AIDS vaccines that can generate new viral and bacterial pathogens and trigger cancer, on account of a recombination hotspot in the AIDS viral gene.
He intends to campaign against GM crops with the CaMV 35S promoter for the same reasons.
Dr. Mae-Wan Ho reports on the similarity between recombination hotspots of many genes, including the prion protein associated with mad cow disease, and their potential to generate superviruses and superbugs. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 432996
Well, let's hope they have a bit more evidence linking GM food to this kind of Bad Juju than Ms. Minton does!
GM crops trigger the designer diseases we have in our bodies frm the vaccines they give us. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 432996
And your evidence for that, Anonymous Coward 432996, is ... ?
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 413570
5/14/2008 4:06 PM | | Re: New Morgellons reveals link to bacteria/fungus from GM food | Quote |
Oh yay.. another way to kill off the population.. limit food supplies and eventually... TAKE OVER THE WORLD
Morgellons FTW
alhough hope to god it is meth related.
kill off the crackheads IDK.  |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 365330
5/14/2008 4:10 PM | | Re: New Morgellons reveals link to bacteria/fungus from GM food | Quote |
Looks like scientists are starting to take Morgellons seriously...as cited in the article below, one researcher discovered the threads are genetically similar to a fungus and another showed the presence of Agrobacterium. It's not clearly stated in the article but this bacteria is used in genetic modification a lot because of it's ability to transfer genes to plants and fungi for plant improvement.
If I had this horrid thing, I would try borax rinses and eating a pinch of borax, wetting a mound of baking soda and securing it under a band-aid. Try turmeric in the same way too and try eating a few tablespoons a day. I would also try chlorine dioxide (Miracle Mineral Supplement), which is supposed to attack negative gram bacteria (it's untested, but there are no other treatments out there so what the hell). Quoting: rathmussen 383866
[link to www.care2.com]
Jesus, Why not just use vinegar? Any time I see some mold I clean it up and spray the area with vinegar and the shit never comes back. Especially for porous surfaces, Bleach is utterly useless for porous surfaces.
Your cures sound dangerous, if I knew someone with morgellons, I'd suggest they become one with the vinegar. Make homemade pickles or something if the stuff is hard to drink. I'd rub it all over my body too RUB IT ALLLL OVEEEEERRR YO BODY! (which I do anyway) |
| Ignatius J. Reilly
User ID: 365330
5/14/2008 4:12 PM | | Re: New Morgellons reveals link to bacteria/fungus from GM food | Quote |
Looks like scientists are starting to take Morgellons seriously...as cited in the article below, one researcher discovered the threads are genetically similar to a fungus and another showed the presence of Agrobacterium. It's not clearly stated in the article but this bacteria is used in genetic modification a lot because of it's ability to transfer genes to plants and fungi for plant improvement.
If I had this horrid thing, I would try borax rinses and eating a pinch of borax, wetting a mound of baking soda and securing it under a band-aid. Try turmeric in the same way too and try eating a few tablespoons a day. I would also try chlorine dioxide (Miracle Mineral Supplement), which is supposed to attack negative gram bacteria (it's untested, but there are no other treatments out there so what the hell).
[ link to www.care2.com]
Jesus, Why not just use vinegar? Any time I see some mold I clean it up and spray the area with vinegar and the shit never comes back. Especially for porous surfaces, Bleach is utterly useless for porous surfaces.
Your cures sound dangerous, if I knew someone with morgellons, I'd suggest they become one with the vinegar. Make homemade pickles or something if the stuff is hard to drink. I'd rub it all over my body too RUB IT ALLLL OVEEEEERRR YO BODY! (which I do anyway)
BTW this is ignatius, I'd like to get my credit for curing morgellons.... I'm fucking awesome |
| Ignatius J. Reilly
User ID: 365330
5/14/2008 4:27 PM | | Re: New Morgellons reveals link to bacteria/fungus from GM food | Quote |
blah, looks like people use vinegar already.
[link to curezone.com]
Start searching a bit, fellas, this disease or whatever has a number of it's own forums and related discussion. It's not so mysterious if you actually do the research at the ground level. You're all way behind if you're interested in understanding it all. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 300370
5/14/2008 4:34 PM | | Re: New Morgellons reveals link to bacteria/fungus from GM food | Quote |
hey captain genius..vinegar DOESN'T work on this
neither do a combination of all kinds of stuff that resulted in a chemical peeling of the skin
only thing seems to calm it down is heavy duty steroid cream..and sweating profusely makes it very, very angry |
| Ignatius J. Reilly
User ID: 365330
5/14/2008 4:43 PM | | Re: New Morgellons reveals link to bacteria/fungus from GM food | Quote |
hey captain genius..vinegar DOESN'T work on this
neither do a combination of all kinds of stuff that resulted in a chemical peeling of the skin
only thing seems to calm it down is heavy duty steroid cream..and sweating profusely makes it very, very angry Quoting: Anonymous Coward 300370
Well, go tell the lady who claims vinegar and other stuff mix is helping her. I'm just here to heal the universe, not to argue who's correct. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 383866 (OP)
5/14/2008 4:56 PM | | Re: New Morgellons reveals link to bacteria/fungus from GM food | Quote |
I see where the author of that crap, Barbara Minton, is a "school psychologist", which isn't surprising; it's obvious she knows damn little about either medical science or even making a logical connection.
Either that, or she's just another bozo-ess trying to lie her way into getting people to buy into her agenda.
Here's what I'm talking about:
Her entire boatload of bullshit is to convince you that Morgellons is linked to GM food, so that you'll think tha GM food causes Morgellons.
And what does she have to back up her editorializing? Here's her own quotes:
"But recent evidence suggests that the disease is indeed real, and may be related to genetically modified (GM) food."
And the "evidence"?
“Morgellons is an unexplained and debilitating condition ..."
"Doctors have claimed that this type of disease must be caused by a parasite, but even the strongest anti-parasitic medications have not helped. In the past, psychologists have insisted that this was a new version of delusional parasitosis, a form of psychosis in which suffers hold a delusional belief that they are infected by parasites."
"...the etiology of Morgellons is unknown, and the medical community has insufficient information to determine whether persons who identify themselves as having the disease have a common cause for their symptoms."
"Ahmed Kilani ... found that they belonged to a fungus."
"the fibers contained the substance Agrobacterium, a genus of gram-negative bacteria capable of genetically transforming not only plants, but also other eukaryotic species, including human cells."
What does this mean -- "substance"? Did Citovsky find bacteria or just "substances" from the bacteria? And what were those "substances"? Proteins? Amino acids? DNA? Hydrocarbon molecules? And are any of them capable of genetically transforming eukaryotic cells?
All I can get is that some DNA was found in the fibers of the Morgellon's patients. But if you goodle "agrobacterium", you will see that it is an opportunistic critter which often shows up in people with compromised immune systems.
This means that the agrobacterium could be the result of the Morgellon's Syndrome as opposed to the cause of it.
Citovsky himself says:
"...this observation does not imply that Agrobacterium causes Morgellons or that Morgellons is indeed an infectious disease."
And even if the agrobacterium does have the capability to cause eukaryotic cell mutation, that would make it a positive causative agent for cancer, which has been around for thousands of years before anyone came up with GM food.
The bottom line is that Minton is just cherry-picking unrelated data to get you to believe that GM foods are dangerous (which they may be) and that they're somehow responsible for Morgellon's (for which there is no evidence whatsoever).
The only thing that same Minton and the other scamsters' bacon is that there are a lot of people who will look at her stuff without trying to actually review the original studies and use common sense...
...something I suggest we all do when looking at unsubstantiated claims like this!! Quoting: Duncan Kunz
Thanks for your fabulous response! And you are totally correct in pointing out all the assumptions made. I too felt a bit mislead by the title because she spent seconds on the science and made no discussion of the significance agrobacterium. I'm not surprised to hear that it is a common opportunistic bacteria. There is the idea that fungus causes cancer too, since it is so frequently present at tumour sites, but this is likely a secondary problem as well. Naming the presence of these microbes might help in treatment, which was my main point. That and the fact that obviously something beyond psychosis is at play here.
This reminds me of how chronic fatigue was pooh-poohed for so long as a problem with depression or laziness or what have you and now they accept that viruses are at play.
What interests me so much with this site in general is that there are so many people now feeling targeted by their own government. We don't trust our communities. When I was young, there was no such thing as an enemy anymore. Maybe...Russia, but a cold war doesn't make a big impression on a kid. (It seemed like more of a hockey rivalry than anything else). During and especially after the world wars, people generally knew how brutal and murderous people can be in the name of nationalism, race, ideology. But for me pictures of atrocities were in black and white photographs...ancient history. By the time the 80s hit, I don't think there were nearly as many people who could imagine the progress narrative could falter. We would never see a world war again and certainly not on North American soil...eventually, trade and intertwined economies would police everyone into behaving. After 9/11, we can imagine anything.
The US government designing and testing biological weapons on its own people shows extreme distrust and disillusionment and even panic. People are feeling cut off from nature and that everything is being de-naturalized. Everything is being contaminated and our bodies are magnets for pollution and nobody cares unless it is to keep our mis-firing DNA from completely killing us and cutting into profits. Someone somewhere just thinks of us as markets or eaters or pawns. We can't breath air without worrying about toxins, we can't drink the water without being aware of the high levels of estrogen in it and our food. It's hard not to think we're living in our own toilet and we're wrecking our home and the home of kazillions of other life forms.
It's easy to start hating humanity and assuming the worst. And if there aren't some bad guys somewhere with a master plan of depopulation or control, then what does that say about us? It's easier to get paranoid because we don't feel like we have any control over these big issues so somebody else must have it. Somebody who wishes us harm.
But it is very possible that a seemingly small thing like decreasing bee populations could escalate to catastrophic levels, that genetically modified foods could interrupt the natural pace of evolution to produce new microbes that start as crawling sores and mutate into epidemics. I certainly can't say one way or another, but unbridled science moving faster than our own ethics could very well be what brings doom, whether backed by intention or not.
Whether you can entertain the idea of nanotech bioweapons or not, the more extreme reasons given for Morgellons are certainly an indication of the state of society. And whether they are right or not, doesn't change the fact that we are living in precarious times. And that we realize this is important. Maybe believing anything will help us open our eyes to look for what's really going on and where we might be headed. |
| Duncan Kunz
The Debunker King
User ID: 433462
5/15/2008 10:02 AM
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Whether you can entertain the idea of nanotech bioweapons or not, the more extreme reasons given for Morgellons are certainly an indication of the state of society. And whether they are right or not, doesn't change the fact that we are living in precarious times. And that we realize this is important. Maybe believing anything will help us open our eyes to look for what's really going on and where we might be headed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 383866
I gotta admit, that's an excellent insight, and one I hadn't thought of.
An awareness -- or even an intuition -- that we live in precarious times will help us stay alert for where we might be headed; true. But fact that our "guideposts" are often based on scare tactics and illogical thinking means we sometimes sacrifice critical thinking in the time when we actually need it most.
The debate over climate change is a great example of this. There are examples of sound arguments and critical thinking shown by debaters on both sides, and these people seem to be able to present their facts and interpretations (although they differ) with the idea that it's necessary to arrive at the truth.
Unfortunately, the majority of people seem to base their arguments (both one way or the other) on emotion, ignorance, and illogic.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 383866 (OP)
5/15/2008 9:32 PM | | Re: New Morgellons reveals link to bacteria/fungus from GM food | Quote |
Whether you can entertain the idea of nanotech bioweapons or not, the more extreme reasons given for Morgellons are certainly an indication of the state of society. And whether they are right or not, doesn't change the fact that we are living in precarious times. And that we realize this is important. Maybe believing anything will help us open our eyes to look for what's really going on and where we might be headed.
I gotta admit, that's an excellent insight, and one I hadn't thought of.
An awareness -- or even an intuition -- that we live in precarious times will help us stay alert for where we might be headed; true. But fact that our "guideposts" are often based on scare tactics and illogical thinking means we sometimes sacrifice critical thinking in the time when we actually need it most.
The debate over climate change is a great example of this. There are examples of sound arguments and critical thinking shown by debaters on both sides, and these people seem to be able to present their facts and interpretations (although they differ) with the idea that it's necessary to arrive at the truth.
Unfortunately, the majority of people seem to base their arguments (both one way or the other) on emotion, ignorance, and illogic. Quoting: Duncan Kunz
....ah yes...add self-serving interest and we have the four horsemen.
I know I'm emotional about environmental degradation so I try to keep it in check...a friend of mine got diagnosed with cancer and she did a toxicity test which revealed dangerous levels of all sorts of toxins like PCBs of all things. It's hard not to want to put a face (like men in black suits) to the mass of indifference or ignorance or irresponsibility that has allowed the mishandling of dangerous chemicals. We read about chemtrail theories and at least to some degree they're absolutely right....that exhaust is toxic crap. These things make me mad.
I don't know all that much about history, either the unofficial or the canonized versions, so it's hard for me to say where we should go (though easy enough to criticize what's wrong now) and every conspiracy theory is on some level a statement of belief. So ignorance is on some level inevitable...there's a lot to know nowadays and eventually you have to stick with a guess or your gut.
And truth has become more and more illusive. It's getting harder to be logical because as you say, people can make contradicting but convincing logical arguments backed by science. When our major news outlets started have radically different reports on the same events, I think people either lost faith and assumed all news has been twisted in some way, or they became a bit fanatical about what source of information they trusted.
Sometimes it's easy to spot scare tactics, and maybe being able to imagine anything could leave some people vulnerable to this (like if you believe everything on Fox). If you believe everything on alternative sites you might also be naively eating up other people's scare tactics, but you also become a skeptical force in the world, questioning mainstream media, doctors, etc. Maybe the extremes here (pointing fingers at the government and other elite powerful groups or at the threat of "others" and foreigners) will expand the middle ground for the rest of us. I for one find that I'm more willing to listen to the right on some things (only some!) and I'm more interested in looking for the man behind the curtain.
Back to Morgellons, I feel bad that my first reaction was to disbelieve the affliction, to chalk it up to emotion/paranoia. And I don't want to assume I know its source, though I will read anything new I find. Frankly, I'm happy there are people running around with their eyes open for proof of nanotechnology and chemical weapons. I would have scoffed at the idea in the 90s, but it's a lot harder to ignore the possibility that through ignorance or intention, there are people out there who see others as merely numbers or pawns or profit and whether we live or die is not just up to us or bad luck or bad genes. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 433711
5/15/2008 10:47 PM | | Re: New Morgellons reveals link to bacteria/fungus from GM food | Quote |
People who scoff at others who have Morgellons are truly ignorant of the disease. It is not one's imagination that causes the intense itching that often times leaves scarring. While recovering from my bout of the stuff, I did an awful lot of research. This "mental delusion", as some doctors would have it, is world-wide, and attributed to chemtrails by many. Anyway, here is some of what I found, starting with a post made here on GLP:
1. From GLP - Feb./Mar. 2005?
"...Molecular computers made of living matter can be grown from DNA templates of GENETICALLY ENGINEERED BACTERIA. Synthetic proteins have been developed which match what they want to make into mini-computers. The end product is a bioprocessor (tiny computer) within a cell.
These mini-computers are specifically linked with viruses which migrate to SPECIFIC PARTS OF THE BODY. Viruses are primarily nucleoproteins, some of the small ones are not even alive, and they don´t even have metabolism. They do not have a metabolism to kill with an antibiotic. The Neurotropic viruses migrate to the central nervous system (nerves), the Dermotropic viruses migrate to the skin, the Pneumotropic viruses go to the lungs, the Viscerotropic go to the abdomen, and other viruses go to other sites in the body."
(It says that the viruses are primarily nucleoproteins, which don't even have metabolism!)
2. A further search brought this:
Marin microbiologist Jenny Haverty has also be studying the mystery malady.
"I accepted specimens from four different people in four different counties in the Bay Area, and I looked at them very carefully over and over again under the microscope," she said. "The colors and shapes of the fibers of each individual were very, very similar."
Tests on similar fibers taken from Bishop's skin and those of several other patients in the Bay Area show them to be tiny tubes of protein. But how and why the filaments are formed remains a mystery for now."
3. There was a website that gave reference to nematodes, and I found a site that decsribes them:
"...They range in size from .08mm to 7m. Nematodes are a tube within a tube. The outside tube is the body wall which consisits of muscle layers that are used as a protective covering. The inside tube is the digestive system. The esophagus is the front of the digestive tube."
4. And this:
"One of the tricks of an invading organism is to wrap itself in a large protein shell that the body would view as being "normal". Large amounts of protease can help to remove this protein shell, and allow the body's defense mechanisms can go into action. With the protective barrier down, your immune system can step in and destroy the invading organism. ... Examples of proteases include: fungal protease, pepsin, trypsin, chymotrypsin, papain, bromelain, and subtilisin."
So now, we find that genetically engineered bacteria are primarily nucleoproteins and, according to the microbiologist who took samples, the fibers found are tiny tubes of protein. The description of the nematode shows them to be a tube within a tube. Protein can be digested with enzymes, and so I used a mix of digestive enzymes on my own outbreaks and it worked when nothing else did, including baking soda, vinegar, colloidal silver, clorox solution, salt rub, earth clay, calamine lotion, benedryl, you name it!
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 433809
5/15/2008 10:58 PM | | Re: New Morgellons reveals link to bacteria/fungus from GM food | Quote |
Morgellons is nothing but the digusting scabs and sores due to habitual meth use.
Morgellons case = meth addict
end of topic Quoting: Anonymous Coward 401342
evidently you know this from first-hand experience? it's a wonder you can still type.... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 433817
5/15/2008 11:47 PM | | Re: New Morgellons reveals link to bacteria/fungus from GM food | Quote |
This needs to go to the top again. With half a million people suffering from this infectious disease and no help coming from the modern medicine man, it's up to us to come up with solutions to get rid of it. Investigating the problem will not alleviate the pain and intense itching of the invasive creature from hell.
I read somewhere that a genetically modified nematode was introduced in countries that grow cotton. On the thread "Morgellons Is Real", scientists are looking into GM modified foods and what's in the soil.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 434286
5/16/2008 9:02 PM | | Re: New Morgellons reveals link to bacteria/fungus from GM food | Quote |
I see where the author of that crap, Barbara Minton, is a "school psychologist", which isn't surprising; it's obvious she knows damn little about either medical science or even making a logical connection.
Either that, or she's just another bozo-ess trying to lie her way into getting people to buy into her agenda.
Here's what I'm talking about:
Her entire boatload of bullshit is to convince you that Morgellons is linked to GM food, so that you'll think tha GM food causes Morgellons.
And what does she have to back up her editorializing? Here's her own quotes:
"But recent evidence suggests that the disease is indeed real, and may be related to genetically modified (GM) food."
And the "evidence"?
“Morgellons is an unexplained and debilitating condition ..."
"Doctors have claimed that this type of disease must be caused by a parasite, but even the strongest anti-parasitic medications have not helped. In the past, psychologists have insisted that this was a new version of delusional parasitosis, a form of psychosis in which suffers hold a delusional belief that they are infected by parasites."
"...the etiology of Morgellons is unknown, and the medical community has insufficient information to determine whether persons who identify themselves as having the disease have a common cause for their symptoms."
"Ahmed Kilani ... found that they belonged to a fungus."
"the fibers contained the substance Agrobacterium, a genus of gram-negative bacteria capable of genetically transforming not only plants, but also other eukaryotic species, including human cells."
What does this mean -- "substance"? Did Citovsky find bacteria or just "substances" from the bacteria? And what were those "substances"? Proteins? Amino acids? DNA? Hydrocarbon molecules? And are any of them capable of genetically transforming eukaryotic cells?
All I can get is that some DNA was found in the fibers of the Morgellon's patients. But if you goodle "agrobacterium", you will see that it is an opportunistic critter which often shows up in people with compromised immune systems.
This means that the agrobacterium could be the result of the Morgellon's Syndrome as opposed to the cause of it.
Citovsky himself says:
"...this observation does not imply that Agrobacterium causes Morgellons or that Morgellons is indeed an infectious disease."
And even if the agrobacterium does have the capability to cause eukaryotic cell mutation, that would make it a positive causative agent for cancer, which has been around for thousands of years before anyone came up with GM food.
The bottom line is that Minton is just cherry-picking unrelated data to get you to believe that GM foods are dangerous (which they may be) and that they're somehow responsible for Morgellon's (for which there is no evidence whatsoever).
The only thing that same Minton and the other scamsters' bacon is that there are a lot of people who will look at her stuff without trying to actually review the original studies and use common sense...
...something I suggest we all do when looking at unsubstantiated claims like this!! Quoting: Duncan Kunz
Duncan Kunz,
Thank You ! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 383866 (OP)
5/16/2008 9:52 PM | | Re: New Morgellons reveals link to bacteria/fungus from GM food | Quote |
Those are fascinating posts...thanks for the compiled quotes and treatment suggestions. The digestive enzyme makes a lot of sense. Great tip! I also read eating and applying sulphur can help.
I was reading some compiled information on the link below. I've pasted a passage that I find interesting. The fibres are often dismissed by medical "experts" as fibres from fabric, but if they are found under unbroken skin, they are uniform in size and colours, and they recently found fungus DNA in (or maybe just on) them, I can't see how they can continue to be dismissed.
Any thoughts on why they didn't find nematode DNA? I don't know much about DNA testing...can't you presume partial matches, even if genes have been played with? In previous tests, they compared the threads against 90,000 organic compounds and came up with no matches, but at the very least we can assume they found some sort of DNA to bother running the comparison. So the threads are organic. Why aren't they confirmed as living if they are nematodes? Not finding a match attests to the possibility of it being a new, genetically modified thing though. Since somebody found fungus, I can only presume that fungus was present on the sample tested since the threads don't behave like fungus or that fungus was merged with other things.
To add to the agrobacterium debate, which was previously suggested to be a common opportunistic bacteria in people with lowered immunes, this article suggests that this bacteria isn't normally found in open sores...so....maybe it and the fungus are only piggy-backing on whatever the fibres are (or on whatever is causing the formation of the fibres).
All I can say is thank God for the internet. I hope some of the suggested treatments work for anyone afflicted with this and I hope the knowledge that there are growing numbers of people around the world with this thing is a small comfort that you aren't going crazy.
I'm still hoping this is some attempt to control or use nematodes through genetic engineering gone awry. Or something else devoid of malice.
[link to aftermathnews.wordpress.com]
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Instead, Prof Kimsey says, the skin sensations are likely to be the result of changes in brain and nerve chemistry, commonly triggered by drug or alcohol abuse or hormonal changes such as the menopause.
The patients constantly scratch their skin - a process called neurotic excoriation - creating sores that never get the chance to heal.
As Professor Noah Scheinfeld, a dermatologist at Columbia University in the U.S., explains: “The skin becomes a sink for nervous energy and the slightest sensation can lead people to itch.”
Even the fibres have a simple explanation: “They inevitably turn out to be lint from clothes, household fibres or hair,” Kimsey says.
“Sores and scabs attract and trap these fibres.”
The sceptics say Morgellons is best treated with dermatological creams for the sores - and possibly anti-psychotic drugs in severe cases.
But a handful of experts have found evidence that seems to contradict conventional explanations.
Randy Wymore, assistant professor of pharmacology at Oklahoma State University, stumbled across the Morgellons website and, surprised by the number of people claiming to be affected, offered to test some of the fibres at his lab.
“I thought it would be easy to determine their origin,” he says.
But contrary to his expectations, the fibres did not match any common environmental ones.
So Wymore invited some Morgellons patients in to be examined by a colleague, Rhonda Casey.
She found that even under unbroken skin there were masses of fibres. After extensive tests, scientists including a police forensics team drew a blank as to their origin, despite comparing them to more than 90,000 organic compounds.
Meanwhile, at the State University of New York, Vitaly Citovsky, professor of biochemistry and cell biology, found that the lesions of Morgellons patients test positively for the presence of agrobacterium, a bacterium used in the commercial production of genetically modified food - but not normally found in skin sores.
Psychiatrist Robert Bransfield has studied a database of 3,000 Morgellons patients and argues that the psychological profile of Morgellons patients does not fit with a diagnosis of delusional parasitosis.
“Before the onset of their illness, their mental status appears to be quite representative of the general population,” says Bransfield.
“Later on they may become paranoid and delusional; but they don’t start out that way.”
Immunopsychology experts such as Bransfield are discovering that the body’s own immune reaction to invasion by a parasite can significantly affect levels of brain chemicals, such as serotonin.
In other illnesses, such as hepatitis C, this can result in altered psychological states and mental symptoms.
Morgellons could work this way, too, Bransfield suggests.
Some test results have led researchers to speculate that Morgellons may be caused by an unusual fungal parasite.
For Beverley, the new investigation cannot come soon enough.
“I’m not delusional,” she says. “I just want to find out what is happening to my body.” |
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