If Planet X were a brown dwarf as so many contend....where is it???
Our largest telescopes now have infrared camera's????
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 370211
Any earthbound telescope has to look through our atmosphere, so they are useless. The IRAS that was used by Robert Harrington was a space scope.
As for brown dwarf nemesis, try this:
Now we can "look" in other ways besides direct observation. If Planet X is too far out to reflect lsunlight, and does not reflect light of its own, then why else would we suspect its there? Try this:
Dr John B. Murray
Dept. of Earth Sciences
The Open University
Milton Keynes MK7 6AA
PUZZLE OF COMETARY ORBITS HINTS AT LARGE UNDISCOVERED OBJECT
Intrigued by the fact that long-period comets observed from Earth seem to follow orbits that are not randomly oriented in space, a scientist at the Open University in the UK is arguing that these comets could be influenced by the gravity of a large undiscovered object in orbit around the Sun. Writing in the issue of the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society published on 11th October, Dr John Murray sets out a case for an object orbiting the Sun 32,000 times farther away than Earth. It would, however, be extremely faint and slow moving, and so would have escaped detection by present and previous searches for distant planets.
Long-period comets are believed to originate in a vast 'reservoir' of potential comets, known as the Oort cloud, surrounding the solar system at distances between about 10,000 and 50,000 astronomical units from the Sun. (One astronomical unit is approximately the average distance between the Earth and the Sun.) They reach Earth's vicinity in the inner solar system when their usual, remote orbits are disturbed. Only when near to the Sun do these icy objects grow the coma and tails that give them the familiar form of a comet. Dr Murray notes that the comets reaching the inner solar system include a group coming from directions in space that are strung out along an arc across the sky. He argues that this could mark the wake of some large body moving through space in the outer part of the Oort cloud, giving gravitational kicks to comets as it goes.
The object would have to be at least as massive as Jupiter to create a gravitational disturbance large enough to give rise to the observed effect, but currently favoured theories of how the solar system formed cannot easily explain the presence of a large planet so far from the Sun. If it were ten times more massive than Jupiter, it would be more akin to a brown dwarf (the coolest kind of stellar object) than a planet, brighter, and more likely to have been detected already.
So Dr Murray speculates that such an object, if it exists, will be planetary in nature and will have been captured into its present orbit since the solar system formed, even though the probability of such an event seems low on the basis of current knowledge.
Though a large, distant planet is a fascinating possibility and the evidence is suggestive, Dr Murray nevertheless stresses that he is not ruling out other possible explanations for the observed clustering of the comet orbits.
Please notice how I made the last paragraph bold and in red. So we are clear, I am not claiming Dr Murray is a zetatalk fanatic. He is a scientist who's work supports the theory of another large body yet to be discovered (or covered up). For the myopic and simple minded, we are allowed to talk here without having to conclusively prove anything... so before freaking out on another zetatalk rant, take a breath and relax and enjoy the clip
Anonymous Coward User ID: 383362 (OP) 5/14/2008 10:32 PM
Re: Zecharia Sitchin himself speaks about Planet X Nibiru
Zecharia Sitchin based his opinions on actual writings...the oldest on this planet.
No he didn't.
He based it on deliberate mistranslations.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 428491
yeah... he also forged all of the Hindu vedics, all the Hopi prophecy, he made up the clay tablets that clearly shows the sun in the center of the solar system when Europe only figured this out a few hundred years ago...lol
its not your fault, I grew up with the same shitty American education as you... in time you will learn, keep reading and bashing!! atta boy!
Anonymous Coward User ID: 383362 (OP) 5/14/2008 10:33 PM
Re: Zecharia Sitchin himself speaks about Planet X Nibiru
yeah... he also forged all of the Hindu vedics, all the Hopi prophecy, he made up the clay tablets that clearly shows the sun in the center of the solar system when Europe only figured this out a few hundred years ago...lol
its not your fault, I grew up with the same shitty American education as you... in time you will learn, keep reading and bashing!! atta boy!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 383362
Bravo !!
Anonymous Coward User ID: 383362 (OP) 5/14/2008 10:36 PM
Re: Zecharia Sitchin himself speaks about Planet X Nibiru
Zecharia Sitchin based his opinions on actual writings...the oldest on this planet.
No he didn't.
He based it on deliberate mistranslations.
If he is one of the few who can read summarian text then who the hell are you to say he mis-translated?
Quoting: Rota
ALL THIS CAME OUT AFTER ZECHARIA SITCHIN's 12th PLANET
color=blue]Washington Post
Mystery Heavenly Body Discovered, a front page story
Thomas O'Toole
31-Dec-1983
A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth that it would be part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constellation Orion by an orbiting telescope aboard the U.S. infrared astronomical satellite. So mysterious is the object that astronomers do not know if it is a planet, a giant comet, a nearby "protostar" that never got hot enough to become a star, a distant galaxy so young that it is still in the process of forming its first stars or a galaxy so shrouded in dust that none of the light cast by its stars ever gets through. "All I can tell you is that we don't know what it is," Dr. Gerry Neugebauer, IRAS chief scientist for California's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and director of the Palomar Observatory for the California Institute of Technology said in an interview.
The most fascinating explanation of this mystery body, which is so cold it casts no light and has never been seen by optical telescopes on Earth or in space, is that it is a giant gaseous planet, as large as Jupiter and as close to Earth as 50 billion miles. While that may seem like a great distance in earthbound terms, it is a stone's throw in cosmological terms, so close in fact that it would be the nearest heavenly body to Earth beyond the outermost planet Pluto. "If it is really that close, it would be a part of our solar system," said Dr. James Houck of Cornell University's Center for Radio Physics and Space Research and a member of the IRAS science team. "If it is that close, I don't know how the world's planetary scientists would even begin to classify it."
The mystery body was seen twice by the infrared satellite as it scanned the northern sky from last January to November, when the satellite ran out of the supercold helium that allowed its telescope to see the coldest bodies in the heavens. The second observation took place six months after the first and suggested the mystery body had not moved from its spot in the sky near the western edge of the constellation Orion in that time. "This suggests it's not a comet because a comet would not be as large as the one we've observed and a comet would probably have moved," Houck said. "A planet may have moved if it were as close as 50 billion miles but it could still be a more distant planet and not have moved in six months time.
Whatever it is, Houck said, the mystery body is so cold its temperature is no more than 40 degrees above "absolute" zero, which is 459 degrees Fahrenheit below zero. The telescope aboard IRAS is cooled so low and is so sensitive it can "see" objects in the heavens that are only 20 degrees above absolute zero. When IRAS scientists first saw the mystery body and calculated that it could be as close as 50 billion miles, there was some speculation that it might be moving toward Earth. "It's not incoming mail," Cal Tech's Neugebauer said. "I want to douse that idea with as much cold water as I can."
Astronomy
Search for the Tenth Planet
Dec 1981
Astronomers are readying telescopes to probe the outer reaches of our solar system for an elusive planet much larger than Earth. Its existence would explain a 160-year-old mystery. ... The pull exerted by its gravity would account for a wobble in Uranus' orbit that was first detected in 1821 by a French astronomer, Alexis Bouvard. Beyond Pluto, in the cold, dark regions of space, may lie an undiscovered tenth planet two to five times the size of Earth. Astronomers at the U.S. Naval Observatory (USNO) are using a powerful computer to identify the best target zones, and a telescopic search will follow soon after. ... Van Flandern thinks the tenth planet may have between two and five Earth masses and lie 50 to 100 astronomical units from the Sun. (An astronomical unit is the mean distance between Earth and the Sun.) His team also presumes that, like Pluto's, the plane of the undiscovered body's orbit is tilted with respect to that of most other planets, and that its path around the Sun is highly elliptical.
New York Times
June 19, 1982
A pair of American spacecraft may help scientists detect what could be a 10th planet or a giant object billions of miles away, the national Aeronautics and Space Administration said Thursday. Scientists at the space agency's Ames Research Center said the two spacecraft, Pioneer 10 and 11, which are already farther into space than any other man-made object, might add to knowledge of a mysterious object believed to be beyond the solar system's outermost known planets. The space agency said that persistent irregularities in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune "suggest some kind of mystery object is really there" with its distance depending on what it is. If the mystery object is a new planet, it may lie five billion miles beyond the outer orbital ring of known planets, the space agency said. If it is a dark star type of objet, it may be 50 billion miles beyond the known planets; if it is a black hole, 100 billion miles. A black hole is a hypothetical body in space, believed to be a collapsed star so condensed that neither light nor matter can escape from its gravitational field.
Newsweek
Does the Sun Have a Dark Companion?
June 28 1982
When scientists noticed that Uranus wasn't following its predicted orbit for example, they didn't question their theories. Instead they blamed the anomalies on an as yet unseen planet and, sure enough, Neptune was discovered in 1846. Now astronomers are using the same strategy to explain quirks in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune. According to John Anderson of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., this odd behavior suggests that the sun has an unseen companion, a dark star gravitationally bound to it but billions of miles away. ... Other scientists suggest that the most likely cause of the orbital snags is a tenth planet 4 to 7 billion miles beyond Neptune. A companion star would tug the outer planets, not just Uranus and Neptune, says Thomas Van Flandern of the U.S Naval Observatory. And where he admits a tenth planet is possible, but argues that it would have to be so big - a least the size of Uranus - that it should have been discovered by now. To resolve the question, NASA is staying tuned to Pioneer 10 and 11, the planetary probes that are flying through the dim reaches of the solar system on opposite sides of the sun.
Astronomy
Searching for a 10th Planet
Oct 1982
The hunt for new worlds hasn't ended. Both Uranus and Neptune follow irregular paths that observers can explain only by assuming the presence of an unknown body whose gravity tugs at the two planets. Astronomers originally though Pluto might be the body perturbing its neighbors, but the combined mass of Pluto and its moon, Charon, is too small for such a role. ... While astronomers believe that something is out there, they aren't sure what it is. Three possibilities stand out: First, the object could be a planet - but any world large and close enough to affect the orbits of Uranus and Neptune should already have been spotted. Searchers might have missed the planet, though, if it's unusually dark or has an odd orbit.
NASA has been recording velocities for a year now and will continue for as long as necessary. This past spring, it appeared that budget cuts might force the end of the Pioneer project. The space agency now believes that it will have the money to continue mission operations. Next year, the JPL group will begin analyzing the data. By the time the Pioneer experiment shows results, an Earth-orbiting infrared telescope may have discovered the body. ... Together, IRAS and the Pioneers will allow astronomers to mount a comprehensive search for new solar system members. The two deep space probes should detect bodies near enough to disturb their trajectories and the orbits or Uranus and Neptune. IRAS should detect any large body in or near the solar system. Within the next year or two, astronomers may discover not one new world, but several.
New York Times
January 30, 1983
Something out there beyond the farthest reaches of the known solar system seems to be tugging at Uranus and Neptune. Some gravitational force keeps perturbing the two giant planets, causing irregularities in their orbits. The force suggests a presence far away and unseen, a large object that may be the long- sought Planet X. ... The last time a serious search of the skies was made it led to the discovery in 1930 of Pluto, the ninth planet. But the story begins more than a century before that, after the discovery of Uranus in 1781 by the English astronomer and musician William Herschel. Until then, the planetary system seemed to end with Saturn.
As astronomers observed Uranus, noting irregularities in its orbital path, many speculated that they were witnessing the gravitational pull of an unknown planet. So began the first planetary search based on astronomers predictions, which ended in the 1840's with the discovery of Neptune almost simultaneously by English, French, and German astronomers. But Neptune was not massive enough to account entirely for the orbital behavior of Uranus. Indeed, Neptune itself seemed to be affected by a still more remote planet. In the last 19th century, two American astronomers, Willian H. Pickering and Percival Lowell, predicted the size and approximate location of the trans-Neptunian body, which Lowell called Planet X. Years later, Pluto was detected by Clyde W. Tombaugh working at Lowell Observatory in Arizona. Several astronomers, however, suspected it might not be the Planet X of prediction. Subsequent observation proved them right. Pluto was too small to change the orbits of Uranus and Neptune, the combined mass of Pluto and its recently discovered satellite, Charon, is only 1/5 that of Earth's moon.
Recent calculations by the United States Naval Observatory have confirmed the orbital perturbation exhibited by Uranus and Neptune, which Dr. Thomas C Van Flandern, an astronomer at the observatory, says could be explained by "a single undiscovered planet". He and a colleague, Dr. Richard Harrington, calculate that the 10th planet should be two to five times more massive than Earth and have a highly elliptical orbit that takes it some 5 billion miles beyond that of Pluto - hardly next-door but still within the gravitational influence of the Sun.
US News World Report
Planet X - Is It Really Out There?
Sept 10, 1984
Shrouded from the sun's light, mysteriously tugging at the orbits of Uranus and Neptune, is an unseen force that astronomers suspect may be Planet X - a 10th resident of the Earth's celestial neighborhood. Last year, the infrared astronomical satellite (IRAS), circling in a polar orbit 560 miles from the Earth, detected heat from an object about 50 billion miles away that is now the subject of intense speculation. "All I can say is that we don't know what it is yet," says Gerry Neugesbeuer, director of the Palomar Observatory for the California Institute of Technology. Scientists are hopeful that the one-way journeys of the Pioneer 10 and 11 space probes may help to locate the nameless body.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 383362 (OP) 5/14/2008 10:46 PM
Re: Zecharia Sitchin himself speaks about Planet X Nibiru
yeah... he also forged all of the Hindu vedics, all the Hopi prophecy, he made up the clay tablets that clearly shows the sun in the center of the solar system when Europe only figured this out a few hundred years ago...lol
its not your fault, I grew up with the same shitty American education as you... in time you will learn, keep reading and bashing!! atta boy!
Bravo !!
Quoting: DanG 420967
yeah... he got his ass handed to him, as usual
the bashers here are weak.. I'm used to much better than this, I'm used to ones that defend their own theory in addition to bashing yours, the ones here are angry and too lazy or arrogant to get educated.
eventually the light bulb will go on.. for each person its different, but it usually comes when one is serious about finding out the truth, then it happens... I'm just trying to be the trigger, and if hostility is all this guy has, he will get intellectually molested on this thread until he is reduced to nothing more than a guy who posts offensive pics like the rest lol
Two things... One, could you post a link to the Sitchin interview (I can't view embedded audio or video)
and Two, are there any more current references to the brown dwarf speculated upon back in the 1980's... There must be more recent studies...and the orbital perturbations of Uranus have been known for a long while... It was standard astronomical theory back in the 70’s that an undiscovered planet was a reasonable explanation. One would expect verification or repudiation of these 1980’s studies. (not just silence)
Thanks, in advance.
ALL THIS CAME OUT AFTER ZECHARIA SITCHIN's 12th PLANET
color=blue]Washington Post
Mystery Heavenly Body Discovered, a front page story
Thomas O'Toole
31-Dec-1983
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 383362
Menow User ID: 429946 5/15/2008 12:33 AM
Re: Zecharia Sitchin himself speaks about Planet X Nibiru
yeah... he also forged all of the Hindu vedics, all the Hopi prophecy, he made up the clay tablets that clearly shows the sun in the center of the solar system when Europe only figured this out a few hundred years ago...lol
its not your fault, I grew up with the same shitty American education as you... in time you will learn, keep reading and bashing!! atta boy!
Bravo !!
yeah... he got his ass handed to him, as usual
the bashers here are weak.. I'm used to much better than this, I'm used to ones that defend their own theory in addition to bashing yours, the ones here are angry and too lazy or arrogant to get educated.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 383362
No, it's just that at some point it becomes a useless waste of time. Don't try to teach a pig to sing. It wasts your time and it irritates the pig.
K_D The Traveler... User ID: 432051 5/15/2008 12:59 AM
Re: Zecharia Sitchin himself speaks about Planet X Nibiru
Interesting fellow, nice work, right until he babbles about the Old Testicle and the chosen ones, blah blah...
He carries the ball 99 yards just to fumble on the 1 yard line...
Now few take him serious, which is a shame. He has some profound arguments and overall interesting and plausible conclusions. I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
A fool with a plan can beat a genius with no plan.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 383362 (OP) 5/15/2008 1:12 AM
Re: Zecharia Sitchin himself speaks about Planet X Nibiru
Zecharia Sitchin based his opinions on actual writings...the oldest on this planet.
No he didn't.
He based it on deliberate mistranslations.
yeah... he also forged all of the Hindu vedics, all the Hopi prophecy, he made up the clay tablets that clearly shows the sun in the center of the solar system when Europe only figured this out a few hundred years ago...lol
its not your fault, I grew up with the same shitty American education as you... in time you will learn, keep reading and bashing!! atta boy!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 383362
You say, “ he made up the clay tablets that clearly shows the sun in the center of the solar system when Europe only figured this out a few hundred years ago...lol,” And based upon that fact, you think you have proven that Sitchin fabricated the wording/pictures on the tablets.
The only thing that you have established is that you have never read a word that Sitchin has written. Since I have read all 12 of his books, and have studied the opinions of others regarding his works, why don’t I talk and you just listen (figuratively, of course).
It is true that in both words and pictures, the ancient Sumerian texts show a heliocentric (sun-centered) solar system; whereas up until the time of Copernicus (February 19, 1473 – May 24, 1543) it was believed that our solar system was geocentric (earth-centered) based upon certain verses in the Old Testament. However, the same clay tablets as interpreted by Sitchin reveal how the Sumerians obtained this knowledge almost 6,000 year ago, long before Copernicus.
According to the Sumerian scribes, the inhabitants of Planet X, which is also known by many other names including the 12th planet and Nibiru, came to earth and instructed the Sumerians in the arts and sciences, including astronomy. According to the clay tablets, these visitors -the Anunnaki - first came to earth almost 450,000 year ago, and possessed knowledge of the universe which, quite naturally, exceeded that of modern day scientists on Earth. The Sumerians simply recorded what they had been taught by the Anunnaki, and the Anunnaki knew all about our little solar system.
You did not catch Sitchin in a lie. I suggest that you got caught in a very common trap - expressing an opinion before you have sufficiently researched the subject. Whether you believe Sitchin or not is not the issue. But to either believe or disbelieve prior to reading his works and studying both his critics and defenders is, in my humble opinion, foolish.
By the way, if you had studied the Old Testament and were familiar with the Hebrew language, you would know that the Anunnaki are clearly mentioned in the Bible. Of course, if you had read Sitchin, you would know that as well. But that is another matter reserved for another day.
For the record, your assertion that Sitchin "also forged all of the Hindu vedics, all the Hopi prophecy" is without basis. Your bare words prove nothing. You admitted that you had a "shitty education." I am very close to believing you.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 383362 (OP) 5/15/2008 2:30 AM
Re: Zecharia Sitchin himself speaks about Planet X Nibiru
You say, “ he made up the clay tablets that clearly shows the sun in the center of the solar system when Europe only figured this out a few hundred years ago...lol,” And based upon that fact, you think you have proven that Sitchin fabricated the wording/pictures on the tablets.
Quoting: The Professor 385883
umm... I was being sarcastic. so you are preeching to the quire.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 383362 (OP) 5/15/2008 2:32 AM
Re: Zecharia Sitchin himself speaks about Planet X Nibiru
Something is causing the planets to heat up and the sun has undoubtedly changed and is still changing.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 423110
Global Warming on Mars, Pluto, Triton and Jupiter strongly points towards the Sun or Some other cosmic force being the cause of the recent global warming on Earth.
Why is there "Global Warming" on Mars?
Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced—cause, according to one scientist's controversial theory.
Earth is currently experiencing rapid warming, which the vast majority of climate scientists says is due to humans pumping huge amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.
Mars, too, appears to be enjoying more mild and balmy temperatures.
In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row.
Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of space research at St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun.
"The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars," he said.
Solar Cycles
Abdussamatov believes that changes in the sun's heat output can account for almost all the climate changes we see on both planets.
Mars and Earth, for instance, have experienced periodic ice ages throughout their histories.
By studying fluctuations in the warmth of the sun, Abdussamatov believes he can see a pattern that fits with the ups and downs in climate we see on Earth and Mars.
“Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of the St. Petersburg’s Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun.“
From MIT on Pluto
“the average surface temperature of the nitrogen ice on Pluto has increased slightly less than 2 degrees Celsius over the past 14 years.”
Since Pluto is moving further away from the Sun and continuing to warm despite that fact, it indicates that something doesn’t fit into “Solar Constant” dismissal theories.
From Space.com on Jupiter:
“The latest images could provide evidence that Jupiter is in the midst of a global change that can modify temperatures by as much as 10 degrees Fahrenheit on different parts of the globe.”
From MIT on Triton:
“At least since 1989, Triton has been undergoing a period of global warming. Percentage-wise, it’s a very large increase,” said Elliot, professor of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences and director of the Wallace Astrophysical Observatory. The 5 percent increase on the absolute temperature scale from about minus-392 degrees Fahrenheit to about minus-389 degrees Fahrenheit would be like the Earth experiencing a jump of about 22 degrees Fahrenheit.”
So there is Global Warming on at least 4 other bodies in our Solar System that co-insides with the recent warming on Earth. Doesn’t this point strongly towards the Sun or some other Cosmic force as the cause?
Robert Sepehr nailed this a decade ago
Sun Blamed for Warming of Earth and Other Worlds
Earth is heating up lately, but so are Mars, Pluto and other worlds in our solar system, leading some scientists to speculate that a change in the sun’s activity is the common thread linking all these baking events.
Others argue that such claims are misleading and create the false impression that rapid global warming, as Earth is experiencing, is a natural phenomenon.
While evidence suggests fluctuations in solar activity can affect climate on Earth, and that it has done so in the past, the majority of climate scientists and astrophysicists agree that the sun is not to blame for the current and historically sudden uptick in global temperatures on Earth, which seems to be mostly a mess created by our own species.
Interesting fellow, nice work, right until he babbles about the Old Testicle and the chosen ones, blah blah...
He carries the ball 99 yards just to fumble on the 1 yard line...
Now few take him serious, which is a shame. He has some profound arguments and overall interesting and plausible conclusions.
This is probably more your style:
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 383362
thanks. not my style, but interesting...
8 distinct ethic groups exists out of the twelve placed here by 'god'. 12 tribes of God..
subgroups exist, and 4 are lost/assimilated. (pardon any spelling/grammar issues, its late)
these tribes can be explained by anunnaki genetic play, sure, why not. the out of africa theory is false anyway.
the great flood happened around 14000 yrs ago, when either an asteroid or solar flare impacted the glaciars in canada/north america. hense we lost the saber tooth cats, clovis man.
- cheakout the scablands -
many tribes were already created by this time, but it didn't end there.
lets not discount the mongoloid as some sub-human lower than the caanans. (have to remove the OT from this discussion at least once to form a balanced opinion.)
(skipping, sorry)
Africa - mostly all O blood type.
Europe - dark ages..O and A blood type.
Enter B from Rome (and surrounding area).
Enter raiding mongols as recent as 1260's AD for Poland/Germany, enter moors, enter huns.
With these poeple came some B blood type.
The dark ages ended after suficient 'mixing' happened, and the germanic tribes (hitites remnants?) with O and A now had B and AB.
Same for England (mostly O to begin with), Norway (mostly A's) All found balance.
Then civiliation sprouted and was maintained, and prospered at a high rate.
and the Chinese (and the asains) are a recent tribe.
"go into the wilderness for 40 yrs, seek purity of blood, marry your own poeple" --> try
'go into the wilderness for 40 generations, seek balance of blood, marry your own people: meaning human'
China has B, AB, O, and A in close percentages, and they have had civiliation for 8000+ yrs. (40 gens)
they found balance.
they are curiously absent from the Talmut and OT.
why didn't they suffer hell-fire-brimstone-wrath of god ?
cause it didn't happen like it is told in the OT.
they have no hair on arms/legs. They are mostly Rh +. Have balance of blood types.
They resemble 'god' with their eyes.
they believe life and creation started with them. but you don't see it beat down our throats.
have to add. Aluets...I was in Anchorage Jan. Interview many aluets..story is "they have been on the islands ever since the Raven put them there"
and the aluetian island didn't exist till after the big thaw. less than 500yrs,ocean levels raised 300 meters (from memory)...
Aleuts have been there at least 8000 yrs...
god was here 8000-9000 yrs ago.
told the asain tribe "go into the wilderness for 40 generations, seek balance...."
ying-yang (using slang). symmetry is everywhere in their culture from antiquity to present day.
the chinese recorded a great flood..and moved on.. they didn't see the need to make a bedtime story out of it and manipulate it.
back to aluet..Raven put us here....Raven...Can't help but think black helicopter.
anyhooter.
to tired to go further...working late, and thanks for the diversion....
Free Store User ID: 158594 5/15/2008 4:42 AM
Re: Zecharia Sitchin himself speaks about Planet X Nibiru
A Tenth Planet? Disturbance of Comets Hints at Something Out There
By Kenneth Chang ABCNEWS.com
[link to abcnews.go.com]
BCNEWS.com Oct. 7 - Astronomers may have found hints of a massive, distant, still unseen object at the edge of the solar system - perhaps a 10th planet, perhaps a failed companion star - that appears to be shoving comets toward the inner solar system from an orbit 3 trillion miles away. Two teams of scientists - one in England, one at University of Louisiana at Lafayette - independently report this conclusion based on the highly elliptical orbits of so-called "long-period comets" that originate from an icy cloud of debris far, far beyond Pluto. "We were driven to this by rejecting everything else we could think of," says University of Louisiana physicist Daniel Whitmire.
Clump of Comets A couple years ago, Whitmire, along fellow physicists John Matese and Patrick Whitman, noticed the farthest points of the comets' orbits didn't appear random but bunched together, tracing a path across the sky. "We accidentally noticed they weren't uniform," Whitmire says. First, they tried to explain the clumping from the gravitational pull from a main disk of stars in the Milky Way stars. "That ultimately didn't work," Whitmire says. "We've gone through several other models trying to explain this." At around the same time, John Murray, a planetary scientist at The Open University in Great Britain, made a similar observation in similar comet data. "I started puzzling what this might could be," he says. The most obvious but seemingly unlikely explanation would be a planet. "I thought we'd better rule that out," he says. But as he analyzed the orbits, the farthest points appeared to fall on a circular orbital path - "which is exactly what you would expect if there was a planet out there." As the planet - estimated to have a mass between one and 10 Jupiters - orbits, its gravitational wake disturbs the icy debris of the outer solar system, causing some of it to plunge toward the sun as comets, sort of like an elephant ambling through a china shop. No one has yet directly observed a 10th planet, and there could still be another cause for the cluster of comets. The University of Louisiana research will be published in an upcoming issue of the journal Icarus. Murray's paper will appear in Oct. 11 issue of the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.
Very Distant What's surprising is just how far out there this supposed planet is. Both Murray and the University of Louisiana physicists put the planet in an orbit about 3 trillion miles - or half a light-year - from the sun. The nearest star is four light-years away. To put this distance in perspective, consider a miniaturized version of the solar system in which Earth is one inch from the sun. On this scale, Pluto, the ninth planet would be a bit more than a yard from the sun. The new planet, by contrast, would be a half-mile distant. At that great distance, the 10th planet would be too dim to see by current telescopes, although there is some hope that if it exists, the next generation of space-based infrared telescopes might be able to pick it up. Murray hypothesizes the planet may have been wandering through the galaxy before being captured by the solar system's gravity. Whitmire suggests it is a "brown dwarf," or a failed star, a companion to the sun that was too small to light up. Although suggestive, the findings are not conclusive. While Murray and the Louisiana physicists agree how distant the new object is, they trace out very different orbits. Murray considers the orbits of 13 comets with the most accurately known orbits; the Louisiana team considers 82.
Too Early to Look for a Name "It's possibly suggestive," comments Brian Marsden, associate director for planetary sciences at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Mass. "I don't want to bet on it. We're certainly not going to name it." Whitmire agrees it's too early to say definitely there's something out there. "Until it's found, you can never be overly confident," he says. "We know in science you can be fooled by statistics." But he adds, "If I was betting, it's better than 50-50 odds that it's there."
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