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has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new direction

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I was wondering if anyone on here just at a later age changed it all. I am 43 and have 5 young kids and I am stressed daily and I feel dead inside. With the gang that I have it seems really hard to take a risk or to change much at all, but I still with to have a life too!!

oh AND by the way I will just go ahead and slam myself now so I don't have to read it from a freak. "hey why didn't you use birth control"

"Don't you know the world is already overpopulated?"

My reply to this is ............you have never seen my wife. Can't stop....wont stop!!!!!!
The Antichrist 666 Subscriber
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User ID: 434270
5/16/2008 8:15 PM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

From a Google cache (search "Cloise Orand"):

Violent Crime Victim Turns Life Around

Cloise Orand is a business owner and now has written a novel.
By TRAVIS BAKER, tbaker@kitsapsun.com
October 9, 2005

Port Orchard -- Youthful Port Orchard businessman Cloise Orand doesn't remember the hours he spent on the operating table in 1987, being sewn back together as one of three victims of one of Kitsap County's most grisly crimes.

For that matter, he doesn't remember being found by police and medical rescuers, near death in a clearing near Dickey Road in Central Kitsap where he and two girls had been brutalized by Daniel Yates, a Bremerton tattoo artist now serving a 60-year sentence in an out-of-state prison for the attacks.

Orand's tongue nearly had been cut out and his cheeks slit outward from the corners of his mouth. He'd been shot once in the back and sexually assaulted.

He was 13, a runaway who had been living in vacant houses he and the two girls — also runaways — would break into. One girl died two months later of injuries suffered that day. The other's throat was slashed, but like Orand, she survived.

Orand, now 31 and the owner of four businesses, says the attack is "something I actually left back then and never really dwelled on."

Yet he recreates the violent Sept. 17, 1987, attack in nearly exact detail in a science fiction novel he has written and hopes to have made into a movie.

His main character, Mabus, the unfairly vilified Antichrist, is about his age and shares many of Orand's life experiences. But in the novel, he is the only victim of the brutal attack. The girls aren't mentioned.

Called "The Antichrist, Version 666," the novel is due out soon, at $24.95 a copy.

Orand was an unlikely candidate to be a business success or an author in his younger days.

Even after being nearly murdered by the man who picked up him and the girls up hitchhiking, he went back to the life of a runaway. He also resumed his Navy Yard City paper route for this newspaper as something of an inadvertent celebrity.

"The tips were good after that," he said. "I'd start with a bag of papers and come home with a bag of presents."

He made prosecutors nervous as a key witness in a murder trial because his whereabouts were never certain.

But he did testify, with the same detachment with which he still tells the story, detailing the atrocities committed against him matter-of-factly.

As an adult, Orand became a valued worker in the rough-and-tumble world of roofing but still lived life on the ragged edge.

In the midst of a custody battle with the mother of his two oldest children, "I was going out a lot, clubs and what not," he said. "Despite a decent income, it was spent before I got my check, I was in serious debt, using marijuana and alcohol.

"I had a box of comics and sleeping bag to my name, I was living on friends' couches.

"About eight years ago, I realized I was good at making poor choices. When my mind tells me I want to do it, it's probably the wrong choice and if it required discipline and integrity, that's probably the path I should take. So rather than blaming everybody else for my outcome, it was time I started making better choices."

He and Mike Holbrook left the Hanley Construction roofing crew and formed their own business, later adding Tom Cowan as an owner. Orand says he also has formed two property management firms to handle rentals as well as Port Orchard Publishing, which is publishing "The Antichrist, Version 666."

His wife, Michelle, played a key role in his reclamation, giving him reason to stay home and out of clubs, he said.

"She was a bit of a challenge to court," he said.

Until recently, Orand had become something of an absentee owner of Cloise and Mike Construction, which mostly does roofing jobs. Its bright yellow trucks are a fixture in downtown Port Orchard.

He was spending most of his days at home with Michelle, baby Savannah, 3-year-old Alexander, and, on weekends and in the summer, 11-year-old twins Stefan and Christopher. He watched a lot of the Discovery and Science channels, spent time online and read science magazines.

But the Mike in Cloise and Mike left the company Friday to start his own business, Orand said, so he's back at it full time.
I'm the one and only, true ANTICHRIST!!!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 114060
5/16/2008 8:22 PM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

Five fucking kids and NOW you realize you're a fagot?

There are no words...
Enaid Subscriber
User ID: 310721
5/16/2008 8:23 PM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

1st - ID your passion. What brings you joy?
2nd - Find a way to make money doing that.
op
User ID: 332160 (OP)
5/16/2008 8:44 PM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

Five fucking kids and NOW you realize you're a fagot?

There are no words...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 114060


what the heck is this supposed to mean??? I am a faggott because I can not keep my hands off my wife...I know I would get some illogical loser moms basement kids on this thread. Go out and get a job and support some folks and then come back with your faggott talk
ajk
User ID: 302574
5/16/2008 8:53 PM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

I think it's a beautiful thing that you can't keep your hands off her, says a lot about how strong the bond still is even after 5 kids.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 423685
5/16/2008 8:59 PM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

[link to www.marathonwalking.com]

[link to www.marathonwalking.com]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 431563
5/16/2008 9:16 PM
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i understand you OP. look, sex takes away your energy in the form of semen, and if conception occurs, it takes away the rest in the form of kids. add to this equation societal obligations and you are left as a walking zombie.

your situation is grim. nothing short of a superhero you must become. i'm not kidding.
gooderboy Subscriber
User ID: 68834
5/16/2008 9:29 PM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

... you betcha OP, several times I've changed me whole life around, and so to speak, and... every time it's all turned out really really well too.
And for example, and of but one pretty gooder size like turn arounds... how's about going from the likes of L.A. (and, lol, I'm even a fourth generation native Angeleno no less) to the complete opposite extreme... or, out here in the boonies of northwest Kansas (we even now have one stop light in town, lol... we're movin' on up.)
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 357364
5/16/2008 9:37 PM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

Yes, I have OP. I went from a life of drinking, smoking and doing all kinds of different drugs, to being clean & sober and smoke free. I did this by picking up exercise six days a week, daily meditation and eating right. It's VERY hard to change OP, but possible.
Waltc
User ID: 522
5/16/2008 9:39 PM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

I was 42 when I made my change. I didn't have a plan, I just followed my nose as I was being done. That's how it works. I'm not doing it, I'm being done.
As Yogi Berra once said, “You can observe a lot by just watching.”
KindaGamey Subscriber
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User ID: 384201
5/16/2008 9:40 PM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

change one thing every day.
and ONLY one.
[link to kindagamey.com]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 432782
5/16/2008 9:41 PM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

i understand you OP. look, sex takes away your energy in the form of semen, and if conception occurs, it takes away the rest in the form of kids. add to this equation societal obligations and you are left as a walking zombie."

that's total bullshit.

it's only energy draining if you wack it to demoralizing porn or are involved in a sick sexual relationship(fucking kids, your sister or dogs)

making love and or masterbating regularly is a good sign you're healthy.

you must be a limp bizkit.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 432782
5/16/2008 9:43 PM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

Yes, I have OP. I went from a life of drinking, smoking and doing all kinds of different drugs, to being clean & sober and smoke free. I did this by picking up exercise six days a week, daily meditation and eating right. It's VERY hard to change OP, but possible."

that's too bad cause i do the exercize eating healthy thing + living the party life once and awhile.

gotta have balance.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 408991
5/16/2008 9:47 PM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

Being a mid-westerner, I moved 1,400 miles across the country to Utah to get a job at a ski resort. Only thing being, I didn't know how to ski, hah! By the end of the season I was skiing the entire mountain.

Now after 5 years I am moving back to the mid-West again.
I don't know what's ahead of me, but all I know is that I'm totally changing my life again.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 431563
5/16/2008 9:50 PM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

it's only energy draining if you wack it to demoralizing porn or are involved in a sick sexual relationship(fucking kids, your sister or dogs)

making love and or masterbating regularly is a good sign you're healthy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 432782


yea yea, keep dreaming.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 357364
5/16/2008 9:52 PM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

Yes, I have OP. I went from a life of drinking, smoking and doing all kinds of different drugs, to being clean & sober and smoke free. I did this by picking up exercise six days a week, daily meditation and eating right. It's VERY hard to change OP, but possible."

that's too bad cause i do the exercize eating healthy thing + living the party life once and awhile.

gotta have balance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 432782


Good for you, whatever works. It's different for everybody.
mercury2 Subscriber
User ID: 434290
5/16/2008 9:53 PM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

Yes, I have, a few times. I have gotten rid of 7/8ths of my possessions twice, once to travel, once to move cross country. I have quit a lot of things like drinking, drugs and smoking.
I have started a business and I have closed a business.

You sound like you have a fantastic family and a lot to be proud of, so congratulations on your wonderful marriage and children, I never went down that road myself and you deserve a lot of credit for that accomplishment.

My question to you would be, when is the last time you had a proper vacation? And your wife too? I think some fresh horizons, a break in the routine, even if it's temporary, would help clear the air.

Plan something far in advance because having something to look forward to is very psychologically beneficial. It will give you and your family something new to talk about and work toward together.
op
User ID: 332160 (OP)
5/16/2008 11:25 PM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

I was 42 when I made my change. I didn't have a plan, I just followed my nose as I was being done. That's how it works. I'm not doing it, I'm being done.
 Quoting: Waltc



good post.... thanks
Elijah SubscriberModerator
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User ID: 283716
5/16/2008 11:30 PM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

I did.
Election 2008 - Bob Barr Libertarian Candidate. I have concluded that neither Republican nor Democrats can stand for real change. It's all the same old dirty politics all around.

"I screamed at God for all the starving children, and then I realized that all of the starving children were God screaming at me."
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 390162
5/16/2008 11:50 PM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

I was wondering if anyone on here just at a later age changed it all. I am 43 and have 5 young kids and I am stressed daily and I feel dead inside. With the gang that I have it seems really hard to take a risk or to change much at all, but I still with to have a life too!!

oh AND by the way I will just go ahead and slam myself now so I don't have to read it from a freak. "hey why didn't you use birth control"

"Don't you know the world is already overpopulated?"

My reply to this is ............you have never seen my wife. Can't stop....wont stop!!!!!!
 Quoting: need a change 332160




Same here Dude, I have my 5 kids and a wife. I have learnt that those kids that live with you and mine also, had a choice to join that life so they could partake in the up and comming change. So with this in mind, you have to teach them to love and respect everyone they come to know and meet in thier life. Life might get tough and we might get hungry BUT we all made the choice to be right where we are at in this life. Now all we have to do is find out what we are here to do. Every human has a purpose in life, With-out a dought.

I smoke and drink beer, and I watch my kids watch me. I would like to stop and maybe one day I can get my will power up to do it. I search for answers to every question I have. I find weird stuff but most of all, I found that love is the answer. Not easy for me to follow what I preach.

We have to learn how to reconect to our innerself, we have instint, which is out heart or soul that know whice way is the best for us before we know in our mind... understand?

Just dont question yourself because thats the norm, cus we ant what THEY say we are. We are humans, we HAVE GOD GIVIN RIGHTS. They cant keep us down to much longer.

Hope you find this helpful.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 423685
5/16/2008 11:53 PM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

make your kids exercise

turn them into athletes
King Neptune Subscriber
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User ID: 304696
5/17/2008 12:06 AM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

A dragon will be BORN AGAIN.


[link to www.near-death.com]

While drifting through ORION, I noticed two Blazing Celestial Bodies racing parallel to it`s center, looking as Twin Arrows exiting from an Archers Bow and headed straight for the "Blue Marble" of home. Immediately a vision of Millions of people crying because of the devastation of portions of New York City came to me.

9-11
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 361733
5/17/2008 12:07 AM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

enjoy your five kids, soon they will be grown up and you will never get these days back again.
Concerned Reader
User ID: 2457
5/17/2008 12:08 AM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

I hear Meth is pretty cool.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 330512
5/17/2008 12:08 AM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

I'm in the midst of it myself... or I'm trying.. at 47.
Beingsouthern Subscriber
User ID: 113248
5/17/2008 12:09 AM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

No, but there's always hope for that day.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 349146
5/17/2008 12:11 AM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

Hey OP,

I know how you feel. I went through that kind of change myself not too long ago. I would suggest taking up a new hobby. Maybe take a collage class that is in something different. Maybe art or maybe photography. Just try and change one thing. Maybe you can find a small place on your property for growing some kind of garden. Just some suggestions. My Dad built a model train track when we were kids and he really loved it. You can really get into it as a hobby. Decorate it with miniture trees and stuff like that. Something that prompts you to use your own imagination and allows you some time to yourself. Or if you want to do something with the kids perhaps you can get into the scouts and be a den leader. Lots of great activities for all of you to do. Just start getting involved in thinking about different things. Go to the store and start looking at what might be fun.

Just some ideas...

az
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 349146
5/17/2008 12:18 AM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

From a Google cache (search "Cloise Orand"):

Violent Crime Victim Turns Life Around

Cloise Orand is a business owner and now has written a novel.
By TRAVIS BAKER, tbaker@kitsapsun.com
October 9, 2005

Port Orchard -- Youthful Port Orchard businessman Cloise Orand doesn't remember the hours he spent on the operating table in 1987, being sewn back together as one of three victims of one of Kitsap County's most grisly crimes.

For that matter, he doesn't remember being found by police and medical rescuers, near death in a clearing near Dickey Road in Central Kitsap where he and two girls had been brutalized by Daniel Yates, a Bremerton tattoo artist now serving a 60-year sentence in an out-of-state prison for the attacks.

Orand's tongue nearly had been cut out and his cheeks slit outward from the corners of his mouth. He'd been shot once in the back and sexually assaulted.

He was 13, a runaway who had been living in vacant houses he and the two girls — also runaways — would break into. One girl died two months later of injuries suffered that day. The other's throat was slashed, but like Orand, she survived.

Orand, now 31 and the owner of four businesses, says the attack is "something I actually left back then and never really dwelled on."

Yet he recreates the violent Sept. 17, 1987, attack in nearly exact detail in a science fiction novel he has written and hopes to have made into a movie.

His main character, Mabus, the unfairly vilified Antichrist, is about his age and shares many of Orand's life experiences. But in the novel, he is the only victim of the brutal attack. The girls aren't mentioned.

Called "The Antichrist, Version 666," the novel is due out soon, at $24.95 a copy.

Orand was an unlikely candidate to be a business success or an author in his younger days.

Even after being nearly murdered by the man who picked up him and the girls up hitchhiking, he went back to the life of a runaway. He also resumed his Navy Yard City paper route for this newspaper as something of an inadvertent celebrity.

"The tips were good after that," he said. "I'd start with a bag of papers and come home with a bag of presents."

He made prosecutors nervous as a key witness in a murder trial because his whereabouts were never certain.

But he did testify, with the same detachment with which he still tells the story, detailing the atrocities committed against him matter-of-factly.

As an adult, Orand became a valued worker in the rough-and-tumble world of roofing but still lived life on the ragged edge.

In the midst of a custody battle with the mother of his two oldest children, "I was going out a lot, clubs and what not," he said. "Despite a decent income, it was spent before I got my check, I was in serious debt, using marijuana and alcohol.

"I had a box of comics and sleeping bag to my name, I was living on friends' couches.

"About eight years ago, I realized I was good at making poor choices. When my mind tells me I want to do it, it's probably the wrong choice and if it required discipline and integrity, that's probably the path I should take. So rather than blaming everybody else for my outcome, it was time I started making better choices."

He and Mike Holbrook left the Hanley Construction roofing crew and formed their own business, later adding Tom Cowan as an owner. Orand says he also has formed two property management firms to handle rentals as well as Port Orchard Publishing, which is publishing "The Antichrist, Version 666."

His wife, Michelle, played a key role in his reclamation, giving him reason to stay home and out of clubs, he said.

"She was a bit of a challenge to court," he said.

Until recently, Orand had become something of an absentee owner of Cloise and Mike Construction, which mostly does roofing jobs. Its bright yellow trucks are a fixture in downtown Port Orchard.

He was spending most of his days at home with Michelle, baby Savannah, 3-year-old Alexander, and, on weekends and in the summer, 11-year-old twins Stefan and Christopher. He watched a lot of the Discovery and Science channels, spent time online and read science magazines.

But the Mike in Cloise and Mike left the company Friday to start his own business, Orand said, so he's back at it full time.
 Quoting: The Antichrist 666


Hey there Anti ! Hope all is going well with you. Miss talking to you and Phoenix.

Hugs

az
Leunamros
User ID: 390591
5/17/2008 12:18 AM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

I was wondering if anyone on here just at a later age changed it all. I am 43 and have 5 young kids and I am stressed daily and I feel dead inside. With the gang that I have it seems really hard to take a risk or to change much at all, but I still with to have a life too!!

oh AND by the way I will just go ahead and slam myself now so I don't have to read it from a freak. "hey why didn't you use birth control"

"Don't you know the world is already overpopulated?"

My reply to this is ............you have never seen my wife. Can't stop....wont stop!!!!!!
 Quoting: need a change 332160


poor excuses, use more anticonception methods.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 434365
5/17/2008 12:20 AM
Re: has anyone here ever totallly changed their life. Just went in a new directionQuote

I can't seem to change my life. My life has been going downhill since age 14. Everything I've tried has failed. I'm now 31 and a big loser. I wish I was joking.
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