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Ethanol Vehicles for Post Office Burn More Gas, Get Fewer Miles

 
Sandalphon
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Ethanol Vehicles for Post Office Burn More Gas, Get Fewer Miles
May 21 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. Postal Service purchased more than 30,000 ethanol-capable trucks and minivans from 1999 to 2005, making it the biggest American buyer of alternative-fuel vehicles. Gasoline consumption jumped by more than 1.5 million gallons as a result.

The trucks, derived from Ford Motor Co.'s Explorer sport- utility vehicle, had bigger engines than Jeeps from the former Chrysler Corp. they replaced. A Postal Service study found the new vehicles got as much as 29 percent fewer miles to the gallon. Mail carriers used the corn-based fuel in just 1,000 of them because there weren't enough places to buy it.

``You're getting fewer miles per gallon, and it's costing us more,'' Walt O'Tormey, the Postal Service's Washington-based vice president of engineering, said in an interview. The agency may buy electric vehicles instead, he said.

The experience shows how the U.S. push for crop-based fuels, already contributing to the highest rate of food inflation in 17 years, may not be achieving its goal of reducing gasoline consumption. Lawmakers are seeking caps on the use of biofuels after last year's 40 percent jump in world food prices, calling the U.S. policy flawed.

``Using food for fuel has created some unintended consequences: food shortages, the high price of livestock feed,'' said Senator John Cornyn, a Texas Republican. ``I think it's leading a lot of people to wonder whether our corn-based ethanol goals need to be adjusted.''

Stimulating Demand

Lost in the debate over the fuel's contribution to food scarcity is the possibility that the ethanol policy itself isn't working, said David Just, an associate professor of economics at Cornell University in Ithaca, New York. It may stimulate demand by making gas cheaper, he said, an argument supported by at least two U.S. government studies.

The Postal Service bought the ethanol vehicles to meet alternative-fuel requirements. The vehicles' size and ethanol's lower energy content lowered mileage, the agency said. It takes 1.33 gallons of E85 (85 percent ethanol) and 1.03 gallons of E10 (10 percent ethanol) to travel the same distance as with one gallon of pure gasoline, the Department of Energy says.

The Energy Independence and Security Act, passed in December, called for ethanol production to more than double to 15 billion gallons in 2015 from 6.5 billion last year. The U.S. pays oil refiners like Exxon Mobil Corp. 51 cents in tax refunds for each gallon of ethanol they blend into regular gasoline. Automakers get extra credit toward federal fuel-efficiency standards for models that can run on ethanol.

No Federal Requirement

No federal law requires that oil companies make the fuel widely available or that vehicles actually burn it.

About 1,560 of 180,000 U.S. gas stations, or fewer than one in 100, sell E85, according to Ford and the National Ethanol Vehicle Coalition in Jefferson City, Missouri. E85 accounted for 1 percent of ethanol sold in 2006. The rest was blended into regular gasoline at lower concentrations, the Energy Information Administrationsays.

``Whether it was intended this way or not, the U.S. policy helps gasoline companies,'' said Cornell's Just. He and colleague Harry de Gorter estimated in a February paper that the credit may increase gasoline consumption by 628 million gallons to 156.6 billion gallons by 2015, compared with 155.9 billion without it.




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Cornonthecobb
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05/21/2008 09:08 PM
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And on top of that they raise the price of corn so hungry children starve.
It makes me want to kick the assholes farmers that got the whole idiotic ethanol idea going.
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05/21/2008 09:15 PM
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And on top of that they raise the price of corn so hungry children starve.
It makes me want to kick the assholes farmers that got the whole idiotic ethanol idea going.
 Quoting: Cornonthecobb 429261



somehow i doubt that farmers came up with that idea

i expect nothing less from our government to purchase vehicles that end up using more gas

my only hope is the fat cats who got the kick backs didn't abuse too many children while spending our tax money overseas
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

Israel's Mossad

"The truth shall set you free."

U.S. Central Intelligence Agency Motto
Anonymous Coward
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05/21/2008 09:25 PM
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And another thing about this stupid ethanol idea: Ethanol damages rubber and neoprene components of your engine!

Companies like Permatex have been blamed for seal failures until it was discovered ethanol was the real culprit...

Nothing good comes out of this criminally idiotic fuel scheme!!!!!
Al Bore
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05/21/2008 09:39 PM
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And on top of that they raise the price of corn so hungry children starve.
It makes me want to kick the assholes farmers that got the whole idiotic ethanol idea going.

somehow i doubt that farmers came up with that idea

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Maybe you are right. The farmers sure didn't come up with the idea of introducing wolves which are now decimating sheep and cattle herds. It was the idiot ivory tower intellectuals that came up with that brilliant idea and I'm sure the intellectuals never worked on a sheep or cattle ranch.

Corn should be eaten not burned as fuel. I just googeled ethanol and I found some good news. It looks like some people with common sense are creating ethanol out of crops that are ALREADY poison
like beer
[link to www.bizjournals.com]
and sugar
[link to www.kansascity.com]

to make ethanol out of corn when people can't afford to buy wheat and corn and rice for their children is criminal in my mind.

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05/21/2008 09:47 PM
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And another thing about this stupid ethanol idea: Ethanol damages rubber and neoprene components of your engine!

Companies like Permatex have been blamed for seal failures until it was discovered ethanol was the real culprit...

Nothing good comes out of this criminally idiotic fuel scheme!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 432096


yep, and good luck running a boat using ethonol fuel, it destroys the fuel lines so fast you wont make it back to the dock. only a few uses and fuel and air lines will start leaking.
Anonymous Coward
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05/21/2008 09:53 PM
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crop prices are rising because we are making e85?..if
we are making so much that it is causing food prices
to spike then how can it not be readily available?..its
simple..big business owns the farms and they simply
are planting less...thus driving prices...just like
the speculators who are driving oil prices..various
analysts have already come out and said that there is
no basis for (supply and demand) for oil to be more
than 60 a barrel max, yet its just passed 133....say it
with me "business owns the USA" and they make the policies.
this is the one thing our founding fathers feared more
just about anything for they knew it would destroy this
country...yet here we are.
RHSC
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05/22/2008 02:26 PM
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Corn prices are like any other commodity these days...they are speculated to the max.

Ethanol is a shit fuel. It diminishes mileage, destroys vital vehicle parts, and pollutes the air with SMOG.

The corn industry is subsidized by the GovernCorp, and the corn lobby has pushed for ethanol (it helps their bottom line, dontcha know). Laws and regulations demand ethanol blends now. Thus, the ethanol blend is FORCED upon us while our tax dollars are stolen from us and handed to BIG-AG as subsidies.

Sometimes, don't you just feel like a child's toy...a top? The pull string is attached to my wallet in my hip pocket, and every time those sumbeeches pull that damned string I get spun around so much I get dizzy and I'm too disoriented to know they just picked my pocket...AGAIN.

PS: we watched a great documentary last week that I recommend... "KING CORN"

Now I'm trying to find a source for range fed beef. LOL!!!
Anonymous Coward
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05/22/2008 02:38 PM
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Re: Ethanol Vehicles for Post Office Burn More Gas, Get Fewer Miles
I understand that e-85 is 20% less efficient than regular gas, this from an ethanol guy. He asked me the price in my area, which at the time was 3.17 vs 3.83 regular gas, So he said it would make it pretty much a wash, but better for the enviorment:)





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