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Eventually, "TPTB" will turn AGAINST RELIGION once they realize that it can't be contained and ONLY leads to division.

 
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Eventually, "TPTB" will turn AGAINST RELIGION once they realize that it can't be contained and ONLY leads to division.
Organized religion leads to division, tension, and ultimately: W A R. It will be outlawed sooner than you think.

The actual outlawing of religion will be heralded by all religious people, particularly "Fundamentalists" as the promised "persecution" near the "end times."
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Re: Eventually, "TPTB" will turn AGAINST RELIGION once they realize that it can't be contained and ONLY leads to division.
They have been pushing people towards "Green agnosticism" for several decades. It's working very well.
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Re: Eventually, "TPTB" will turn AGAINST RELIGION once they realize that it can't be contained and ONLY leads to division.
Religion is TPTB's best asset, and is used as a front for social control, the mechanics of which are mistakingly attributed by 'religious people' as divine intervention.
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Re: Eventually, "TPTB" will turn AGAINST RELIGION once they realize that it can't be contained and ONLY leads to division.
Religion is TPTB's best asset, and is used as a front for social control, the mechanics of which are mistakingly attributed by 'religious people' as divine intervention.
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Yes, agreed. It is a very weak alliance though. Either party could turn on each other at any time.

I wholeheartedly agree with markusmaximus. When the government realizes that using religion as mind control will only take them so far, they will turn against religion and religious people will call it the persecution of the end times.

Those of us who realize the difference between "religion" and spirituality will be the lucky ones.
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Re: Eventually, "TPTB" will turn AGAINST RELIGION once they realize that it can't be contained and ONLY leads to division.
Oh, it's a control method for sure... but, Mark, what you are not realizing is that MOST people have a NEED to be controlled. It's inherent in their personality.

Be GLAD it is religion. Most religion promotes peace and harmony because it is the easiest way to enslave.
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Re: Eventually, "TPTB" will turn AGAINST RELIGION once they realize that it can't be contained and ONLY leads to division.
media control and manipulated information is their religion.
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Re: Eventually, "TPTB" will turn AGAINST RELIGION once they realize that it can't be contained and ONLY leads to division.
Religion is TPTB's best asset, and is used as a front for social control, the mechanics of which are mistakingly attributed by 'religious people' as divine intervention.
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Karl Marx who plotted global goverment said

"religion must be destroyed"
(soldiers of the NWO follow that rule)

I take it you believe you are a souless animal thats evolved from a monkey IMO ?


The education system and media promote atheism/ Paganism,harry Pottter,crystal skulls,Belinda the teenage witch,lord of the rings ect,ect

conclusion

YOU ARE BLIND IMO
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Re: Eventually, "TPTB" will turn AGAINST RELIGION once they realize that it can't be contained and ONLY leads to division.
Religion is TPTB's best asset, and is used as a front for social control, the mechanics of which are mistakingly attributed by 'religious people' as divine intervention.



Karl Marx who plotted global goverment said

"religion must be destroyed"
(soldiers of the NWO follow that rule)

I take it you believe you are a souless animal thats evolved from a monkey IMO ?


The education system and media promote atheism/ Paganism,harry Pottter,crystal skulls,Belinda the teenage witch,lord of the rings ect,ect

conclusion

YOU ARE BLIND IMO
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iamwith





so you say animals don´t have a soul.
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Re: Eventually, "TPTB" will turn AGAINST RELIGION once they realize that it can't be contained and ONLY leads to division.
Yes, agreed. It is a very weak alliance though. Either party could turn on each other at any time.

I wholeheartedly agree with markusmaximus. When the government realizes that using religion as mind control will only take them so far, they will turn against religion and religious people will call it the persecution of the end times.

Those of us who realize the difference between "religion" and spirituality will be the lucky ones.
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Politicians will never turn against religion, and religious people will never turn against politicians who publicly profess religious belief. It's a mutually fatal attraction.
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Religion is TPTB's best asset, and is used as a front for social control,
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Re: Eventually, "TPTB" will turn AGAINST RELIGION once they realize that it can't be contained and ONLY leads to division.
My personal view about existential issues is they're best investigated and resolved by the scientific method, not belief.
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Re: Eventually, "TPTB" will turn AGAINST RELIGION once they realize that it can't be contained and ONLY leads to division.
Oh, it's a control method for sure... but, Mark, what you are not realizing is that MOST people have a NEED to be controlled. It's inherent in their personality.

Be GLAD it is religion. Most religion promotes peace and harmony because it is the easiest way to enslave.
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wrong, peace and harmony and respect for human life stops the NWO from setting up a global murdering slave state,go to North Korea the people are infected with sadism/cruelty and honour to goverment not each other

meanwhile human savagery like the type Nietzsche promoted attacking morals is the NWO plan,after all, its EASY to turn savages in to slaves

conclusion

you are an idiot soldier of the NWO IMO
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Re: Eventually, "TPTB" will turn AGAINST RELIGION once they realize that it can't be contained and ONLY leads to division.
Hi Mark...this is what I was raised to believe as well....only I don't believe it will happen like this here in the USofA. Something else will have to happen, maybe a huge tax on religions and churches and on donations...that will put many small churches out.

Here in the states it will be more of a financial attack then anything else.
anything after 'but' is bullshit!

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so you say animals don´t have a soul.
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i believe animals have a soul ,yes i do

but Darwinism never mentions God does it

Darwins theory = the atheist bible that promotes souless animals theory
(take it up with Darwinists)
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Re: Eventually, "TPTB" will turn AGAINST RELIGION once they realize that it can't be contained and ONLY leads to division.
Oh, it's a control method for sure... but, Mark, what you are not realizing is that MOST people have a NEED to be controlled. It's inherent in their personality.

Be GLAD it is religion. Most religion promotes peace and harmony because it is the easiest way to enslave.
 Quoting: Sinanju 436858

Well, most religion promotes peace and harmony in THEORY but has trouble translating that to action.

We should really be glad because, as you pointed out, the types of people who are drawn to religion need to be controlled, therefore are not leaders, therefore do not effect us *too much*.
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Re: Eventually, "TPTB" will turn AGAINST RELIGION once they realize that it can't be contained and ONLY leads to division.
"peace and harmony and respect for human life stops the NWO from setting up a global murdering slave state,go to North Korea the people are infected with sadism/cruelty and honour to goverment not each other"

>>Because they aren't religious moron.

I am not religious and I am a violent individual. Do the fucking math.
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Re: Eventually, "TPTB" will turn AGAINST RELIGION once they realize that it can't be contained and ONLY leads to division.
Hi Mark...this is what I was raised to believe as well....only I don't believe it will happen like this here in the USofA. Something else will have to happen, maybe a huge tax on religions and churches and on donations...that will put many small churches out.

Here in the states it will be more of a financial attack then anything else.
 Quoting: Sireen-reborn


it will be like soviet Russia,when atheists killed tens of millions and rammed atheism down peoples throats

this is the NWO plan for the USA


the answers are in the history of atheistic communism
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One can already see the future of Christianity in Europe where it's increasingly irrelevant; people have stopped believing, have stopped going to churches, have become increasingly involved in scientific materialism which is western civilization's greatest cultural achievement.
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Re: Eventually, "TPTB" will turn AGAINST RELIGION once they realize that it can't be contained and ONLY leads to division.
Hi Mark...this is what I was raised to believe as well....only I don't believe it will happen like this here in the USofA. Something else will have to happen, maybe a huge tax on religions and churches and on donations...that will put many small churches out.

Here in the states it will be more of a financial attack then anything else.


it will be like soviet Russia,when atheists killed tens of millions and rammed atheism down peoples throats

this is the NWO plan for the USA


the answers are in the history of atheistic communism
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That's a huge undertaking though, with most people armed. Most of the other countries encountering these kinds of actions, have ALWAYS been under some form of manipulative control.

This is what makes the USA unique...it's tradition and heritage is that of FREEDOM. If something on this level is to ever take place here, it's going to happen in steps we will all notice.

We are best manipulated through hedonism and media manipulation. Physical attacks/encounters will only result in a battle NO ONE wants to be in,...good guys or bad.
anything after 'but' is bullshit!

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Re: Eventually, "TPTB" will turn AGAINST RELIGION once they realize that it can't be contained and ONLY leads to division.
I am not religious and I am a violent individual. Do the fucking math.
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i have done the math and atheist goverments are the most bloody in history,over 150 million people murdered by atheist goverments in the last 100 years

They banned religion in North Korea,go and live there IMO if you think atheists are so kind hearted,i think you would be in for a reality shock if you did

atheism = the NWO mind control system for people brainwashed to believe they are just animals with out a soul



atheists have also been brainwashed about the true history of atheistic piggie goverments like soviet Russia and red china
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Re: Eventually, "TPTB" will turn AGAINST RELIGION once they realize that it can't be contained and ONLY leads to division.
That's a huge undertaking though, with most people armed. Most of the other countries encountering these kinds of actions, have ALWAYS been under some form of manipulative control.

This is what makes the USA unique...it's tradition and heritage is that of FREEDOM. If something on this level is to ever take place here, it's going to happen in steps we will all notice.

We are best manipulated through hedonism and media manipulation. Physical attacks/encounters will only result in a battle NO ONE wants to be in,...good guys or bad.
 Quoting: Sireen-reborn


In soviet Russia the atheistic Bolsheviks were out numbered by the Russian nationalists who were armed to the teeth,remeber this was after WW1 when Russia was swamped with guns

The Bolsheviks won,because they controlled the media,communication systems and GOLD
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Re: Eventually, "TPTB" will turn AGAINST RELIGION once they realize that it can't be contained and ONLY leads to division.
Oh, it's a control method for sure... but, Mark, what you are not realizing is that MOST people have a NEED to be controlled. It's inherent in their personality.

Be GLAD it is religion. Most religion promotes peace and harmony because it is the easiest way to enslave.
 Quoting: Sinanju 436858


The need to be controlled is exploited, in a most immoral way, by "clergy." However, this "need" is not shared by all people.

I am not addressing the inherent good done by the devotees of religion.

I am talking about the self-serving interests of the religious leaders around the world. Their meddling in political affairs.

Their amassed influence, derived from exploiting the fear of the people, either through the discussion of false ideas about HELL, or the APOCALYPSE, is disgusting.

Personally, I will not be held captive by a fearmongering organization, no matter WHAT it's dressed up as.

The USA is of particular interest because of the curious involvement of the Fundamentalist Christian movement with the current White House administration.

It's NO coincidence that the fearmongering tactics of the Fundamentalist church found their way into the tactics of the Administration itself.
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Re: Eventually, "TPTB" will turn AGAINST RELIGION once they realize that it can't be contained and ONLY leads to division.
"Personally, I will not be held captive by a fearmongering organization, no matter WHAT it's dressed up as."

>>We may be diametrically opposed politically mark... but neither you nor I are followers and I respect you for that.

Now the AC on this thread who 'did the math' needs to do the reading comprehension.

I am saying religious keeps the dumb masses under control. I am not advocating atheism. I am not an atheist, I believe in ALL gods... and worship NONE of them. They are too big for me and I am too small for them.
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Re: Eventually, "TPTB" will turn AGAINST RELIGION once they realize that it can't be contained and ONLY leads to division.
The USA is of particular interest because of the curious involvement of the Fundamentalist Christian movement with the current White House administration.

It's NO coincidence that the fearmongering tactics of the Fundamentalist church found their way into the tactics of the Administration itself.
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Yeah, I agree. It isn't only fundamentalist Christianity tho, they're allied with fundamentalist Islam via the masonic-like Islamic Brotherhood which was founded by MI6 to dominate the middle east for British Petroleum
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Re: Eventually, "TPTB" will turn AGAINST RELIGION once they realize that it can't be contained and ONLY leads to division.
Mark, is your opinion influenced by the Jehovah's Witness teaching on this (re the UN turning on religion)?
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Mark, is your opinion influenced by the Jehovah's Witness teaching on this (re the UN turning on religion)?
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>>The JWs I know don't like me because I point out that the most prevalent religion in the world is Islam and gubmints are turning against it daily.
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i have done the math and atheist goverments are the most bloody in history,over 150 million people murdered by atheist goverments in the last 100 years
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Did you do the math on how many people have been murdered by people who believe in God? Or did the crusades and the spanish inquisition, etc. not happen?
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Re: Eventually, "TPTB" will turn AGAINST RELIGION once they realize that it can't be contained and ONLY leads to division.
Religion is useful for its ability to divide AND unite. It doesn't only divide. It's usefulness for provoking war is considered an important utility but that relies on the simultaneous dynamic of fervent spiritual arrogance that also inspires hatred and violence.
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Re: Eventually, "TPTB" will turn AGAINST RELIGION once they realize that it can't be contained and ONLY leads to division.
Yep, soon they will be killing them nasty no good Christians and be putting them to death.
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Re: Eventually, "TPTB" will turn AGAINST RELIGION once they realize that it can't be contained and ONLY leads to division.
Mark, is your opinion influenced by the Jehovah's Witness teaching on this (re the UN turning on religion)?
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Actually, I never said anything about the UN doing it, which is what the JW's teach.
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Re: Eventually, "TPTB" will turn AGAINST RELIGION once they realize that it can't be contained and ONLY leads to division.
The problem now is that there are 6.5 BILLION people on earth, and they almost all fall under one "creed" or another.

But there are only so many "major" creeds.

This lends itself to division and tension among major geographic regions.

In any normal situation, if I removed the religious nature of the divisions, we'd be talking about secular war.

Geographic division and tension, and the inherent push/pull for those all-too-rare NATURAL RESOURCES lead to WAR.

Add the religious element and then all rational thought goes out the window.

We're already seeing the natural resource type of conflict developing...O I L

And we're seeing the major assertion of the major religions during the beginnings of the natural resourse conflicts which are to come.

Spooky stuff.

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