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WHAT IS WHEN THE BIBLE REFERS TO THE DEAD WAKING UP IT DOESNT REFER TO ALL THE DEAD..

 
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WHAT IS WHEN THE BIBLE REFERS TO THE DEAD WAKING UP IT DOESNT REFER TO ALL THE DEAD..
I just ocurred to me that maybe when the bible refers to the dead waking and rising from their tombs it doesnt refer to all but only to the ones that are blessed, saints. Maybe thats why so many saints bodies have remained in an uncorrupt state and many appear as if their are sleeping. Some are absolutely amazing. The most recent one is Padre Pio.
Maybe Gods grace preserves the body because due to their sainthood they will be among the chosen and are those that will rise again.
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Maybe it refers to the spiritually dead waking up.

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Its extremely strange the number of bodies that remain completely intact as if they were simply sleeping among those considered saintly or saints. Pretty unexplainable I think.
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Re: WHAT IS WHEN THE BIBLE REFERS TO THE DEAD WAKING UP IT DOESNT REFER TO ALL THE DEAD..
The scripture to which you are referring is 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18
15According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18Therefore encourage each other with these words.

Jesus rose from the dead. He appeared to many during the 40 days he remained on earth after his death and resurrection and many saw Him. He ate, walked, talked: he had flesh, but shone like th sun and went through locked doorways at will. This is a glorified body and the bible tells us that the dead in Christ shall rise and be gathered with those who are alive and enjoy a new glorified body with Him at the wedding supper of the Lamb, spoke of In Revelation

"Revelation 19:7-10

7Let us rejoice and be glad
and give him glory!
For the wedding of the Lamb has come,
and his bride has made herself ready.
8Fine linen, bright and clean,
was given her to wear."

9Then the angel said to me, "Write: 'Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!' " And he added, "These are the true words of God."
"From that time Jesus began to preach and say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 4:17
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Maybe it refers to the spiritually dead waking up.


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ZOMBIES!!!!
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Re: WHAT IS WHEN THE BIBLE REFERS TO THE DEAD WAKING UP IT DOESNT REFER TO ALL THE DEAD..
Why have so many cultures tried to preserve the dead bodies so much? For example the Egyptians.

Maybe the preservation of the body by divine grace is The Sign of the Chosen.
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There is two reserrections of the dead. First is one Yeshua returns(Blessed are those that take part in this resserection) the second is the unrighteous dead that will be resserected after the 1000 yr. reign. These will face the White throne judgement.
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I think it is interesting that Jesus said
"Let the dead bury their dead". Maybe that is the reason because they will be waking up so they can bury each other.

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Maybe thats why so many saints bodies have remained in an uncorrupt state and many appear as if their are sleeping. Some are absolutely amazing. The most recent one is Padre Pio.
Maybe Gods grace preserves the body because due to their sainthood they will be among the chosen and are those that will rise again.
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His body was not in an uncorrupt state. Quite the contrary. Well preserved - yes. Uncorrupt - no.


Capuchin friars at the sanctuary at San Giovanni Rotondo in southern Italy, where Padre Pio's tomb is visited by seven million pilgrims annually, said that "parts of the body" had been found to be "intact". Archbishop D'Ambrosio said the body was in "surprisingly good condition. As soon as we got inside the tomb we could clearly make out the beard. The top part of the skull is partly skeletal but the chin is perfect and the rest of the body is well preserved.

Vatican officials said Padre Pio's body had been injected with formalin for burial but "no special measures" were otherwise taken to preserve his body.

[link to www.timesonline.co.uk]

A British-made silicone mask bearing the features of Padre Pio covered the saint’s face.

[link to www.timesonline.co.uk]
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Re: WHAT IS WHEN THE BIBLE REFERS TO THE DEAD WAKING UP IT DOESNT REFER TO ALL THE DEAD..
Maybe the rising dead are the ones that are "walk-ins" that Ruth Montgomery referred to. Walk-ins are supposed to be many these days.
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It is the spiritually dead, which is the majority of people on earth. Take up thy bed and walk. Until you can know your true essence, you are not living.
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The saints are in heaven in spirit bodies, and answering prayers and helping people. Their dead bodies are just dead and are no longer needed.
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2 RESURRECTIONS:

Daniel 12:2, John 5:29

1st: overcomers
2nd: everyone else, great and small
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I think it is interesting that Jesus said
"Let the dead bury their dead". Maybe that is the reason because they will be waking up so they can bury each other.

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 Quoting: Grateful Fred 429261

He meant there that the spritually dead should bury the dead when trying to allow that young man to see what he was giving up in faltering in his choice to follow him and become a part of those who livedwith and by his miracles.The resuurected body has not the same characteritics as a human body posessing flesh and bone but curiously blodd ( in which the life of all felsh is in per GOD in Genesis) is absent in the resurrection bodies. Plus al dead are corrupted flesh and must be changed to incorruption at he return for the faithful....that don't mean holy or better than others...it means those have seena and know and have been giv3en the gift of forgiveness and salvation. Their judgement is poftenm refered to by Paul as the Bema bench which is equal to the awards bench of those ancient athletic events like the Olympics. Te second judgement will be the judgement of the nations based on how they have treated his children ( all those who have been sealed with his mark since the moment that they figured it out. The Great white throne is after the millenial regin and wll be those who chose to reject the gif of sdalvation and will have no winner as those join the beast, false prophet and the dragon who have already been consigned to the flames. No title or itre will save one now as those who consigned to the fiore reap theuir whirlwinds and al creation is again set back righ. One has to wonder why GOD does it this way instaed of just "fixing it" but there are many things to learn and as a 12 + year serious student of eschatology one must sort thru the money making doctrines of the Hinn, Crouch, Iker and the prosperity ( Jesus want you to have a Cadillac...ahem) to seek the kernel in the nut so to speak. Maranatha
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The saints are in heaven in spirit bodies, and answering prayers and helping people. Their dead bodies are just dead and are no longer needed.
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EXODUS 18:11 NECROMANCY ( DEMONICALLY INDUCED OR MODERATED FOR THE PURPOSE OF DECPTION CARING not what you believe as long as it's wrong)-IS THE FALSE ROMAN BELIEF THAT NON DIETIES HAVE SOME ABILITY TO SUPPLANT THE REDEEMER AS A MEDIATORE OR "MEDIATRIX" (HAVE TO LOVE THOSE ROMAN METAPHORS HUH?)IN DIRECT AND BLATANT VIOLATION OF THE TORET MOSH'E WHICH WAS NOT CANCELLED OR CONDEMNED OR REPLACED BY GRACE WITH YEHESHUAH BUT CONIRMED AND GLORIFIED AND PERSONIFIED S PLEASE..OUR SAINT CAN NO MOR HELP ME THAN MY AUNT LINEY WHO WOULD BE 128 IF SHE WAS TILL ON THIS EARTH. THE ERRORS OF THE LKEAVEN OF THE L;ATER DAY PHARISEES CLOUDS YOUR THOUGHTS. If a thorn caused by my weakness and soins pierces the heart of anyone causing sorrow, then it is Yeheshuah not Mom who stopped being a virgin in Beit le'chem approximately 1BC " Thatwhixch openeth the matrix is holy and must be redeemd - a foreshadowing of Ha Mashaich and his worth and a symbolic refernce thereto just as the layout of the future plan in a type and shadow with a lamb andimmediate rdemption from the ancient land of Ha Mizraim or Egypt circa 1446 BC. I asked my Great Great Grandpa to intercede and get my festered toe healed and it didn't work nor dod placing it up against the TV screen like Oral Roberts told me to do when i was 10 years old..,...or was that his brother nasal or rectal or vaginal Roberts... after an 800 foot tal Jesus appeared and threatend an 80 year old "man of GOD with the frightening threat of death? for a saved " Born again preqcher of the woprd? that is if he didn' raise a whole bunch o money? I would think that ht e conversation would be more like " Hey Oral"....."Yes Lord" Hey if you raise some money and do your best for me I'll let you come on home to your mansions, my kingdom, the GLORY of MY presence and that of THE FATHER! HOW'S that sound Oral? Gee if Jesus showed up now and asked me if I want to go home with him I'm checkin' and it would b Ciao Y'all./....not Oh Help me God s gonna kill me at the tender age of 80 somethin' if don't pay up.....what is GOD gonna send Vinnie and Dom around to break you legs? So many men of GOD wh speak, think, act and function solely onn the lack of all understandiung that is that frail fallen creation man.
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The saints are in heaven in spirit bodies, and answering prayers and helping people. Their dead bodies are just dead and are no longer needed.

OUR SAINT CAN NO MOR HELP ME THAN MY AUNT LINEY WHO WOULD BE 128 IF SHE WAS TILL ON THIS EARTH. THE ERRORS OF THE LKEAVEN OF THE L;ATER DAY PHARISEES CLOUDS YOUR THOUGHTS.
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Let me guess... Your Aunt Linney can't help you because she's still lying dead in her grave totally unaware of anything including you, and won't be alive again until the Resurrection whenever that is.
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I think it is interesting that Jesus said
"Let the dead bury their dead". Maybe that is the reason because they will be waking up so they can bury each other.

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 Quoting: Grateful Fred 429261




Those that are asleep are as dead-they know not, they seek not, they are spiritually dead-dead to hearing the word, the truth as discerned within spiritually


The dead in spirit-will be left to bury the dead(literal) from refusing enlightenment/the ones that will not survive the 'great purification'-as they will remain dead


for as a person thinketh, so they become.


Even in a reflexive, instinctual response mans' heart is known-He can put on facades-but ultimately, when caught off guard he will reflexively demonstrate his heart/mind/spirit


Those concerned with the physical over the spiritual will reap as they have sown

stays on a base level...those that emulate the spiritual-{seeing with a single eye(spiritually)}
vs the=ose who emulate the physical

they shall not be at a base level but a higher 'frequency'


Just as Schumann's resonance of the earth cycles is increasing-from arond 7 to 12 now I believe

suppose to top out at 13 I think

Man is waking up as Mother Earth is rousing-preparing for cyclical shifts in more than the physical...As a woman travails in labor-this Yuga is passing, not everyone will get it-not everyone is suppose to get it-
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Maybe it refers to the spiritually dead waking up.

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A dragon would be born again.
 Quoting: King Neptune



Right again King Neptune.


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The saints are in heaven in spirit bodies, and answering prayers and helping people. Their dead bodies are just dead and are no longer needed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 410595



10,000 saints are returning. Some are already here, some have been reborn and some have replaced existing souls in human vehicles. Five of the original Apostles are also currently back on earth.


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2 RESURRECTIONS:

Daniel 12:2, John 5:29

1st: overcomers
2nd: everyone else, great and small
 Quoting: ButchHowdy



The overcomers were not spiritually dead to begin with.

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10,000 saints are returning. Some are already here, some have been reborn and some have replaced existing souls in human vehicles.


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That's what Elizabeth Montgomery termed 'Walk-ins'.

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