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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 421748
5/31/2008 5:34 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
VACCINE INGREDIENTS ...AND THEIR CHEMICAL PROFILES
Compiled By Arthur M. Evangelista, a former FDA Investigator
VACCINE INGREDIENTS
Source: 1997 Physicians' Desk Reference
Toll Free Numbers can be called to obtain product inserts.
This is a representative, not a comprehensive, list of the various types of vaccines.
Acel-Immune
DTaP
Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Acellular Pertussis Vaccine Adsorbed
Lederle Laboratories
1-800-934-5556
produced using formaldehyde, thimerosal, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, polysorbate 80, gelatin (animal parts/bovine)
Act HIB
Haemophilus Influenzae Type B (Hib) Tetanus Toxoid Conjugate
Connaught Laboratories
1-800-822-2463
produced using ammonium sulfate, formalin, sucrose, thimerosal
medium: semi-synthetic
Attenuvax
Measles Virus Vaccine Live
Merck & Co, Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolized gelatin
medium: chick embryo
DPT
Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Pertussis Vaccine Adsorbed
SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals
1-800-366-8900 ext. 5231
produced using aluminum phosphate, formaldehyde, ammonium sulfate, washed sheep red blood cells, glycerol, sodium chloride, thimerosal
medium: porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein
Energix-B
Hepatitis B
SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals
1-800-633-8900 ext. 5231
produced using aluminum hydroxide, thimerosal
medium: yeast (possibly 5% residual)
Havrix
Hepatitis A
SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals
1-800-633-8900 ext. 5231
produced using formalin, aluminum hydroxide, phenoxyethanol (antifreeze), polysorbate 20, residual MRC5 proteins (from medium)
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
Biavax
Rubella and Mumps Virus Vaccine Live
Merck & Co, Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolized gelatin
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
HibTiter
Haemophilus Influenzae Type B (Hib)
Lederle Laboratories
1-800-934-5556
produced using polyribosylribitol, ammonium sulfate, thimerosal
medium: chemically defined, yeast based
Fluvirin
Influenza Virus Vaccine
Medeva Pharmaceuticals
1-888-MEDEVA
(716)274-5300
produced using embryonic fluid (chicken egg), neomycin, polymyxin, thimerosal, betapropiolactone
medium: embryonic fluid (chicken egg)
FluShield
Influenza Virus Vaccine, Trivalent, Types A&B
Wyeth-Ayerst
1-800-934-5556
produced using gentamicin sulfate, formaldehyde, polysorbate 80, tri(n)butylphosphate, thimerosal
medium: chick embryos
IPOL
Inactivated Polio Vaccine
Connaught Laboratories
1-800-822-2463
produced using 3 types of polio virus, formaldehyde, phenoxyethanol (antifreeze), neomycin, streptomycin, polymyxin B
medium: VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells
MMR
Measles Mumps Rubella Live Virus Vaccine
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372 produced using sorbitol, neomycin, hydrolyzed gelatin
mediums: M&M - chick embryo
Rubella - human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
M-R-Vax
Measles and Rubella Virus Vaccine Live
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin
mediums: M - chick embryo
R - human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
Menomune
Meningococcal Polysaccharide Vaccine
Connaught Laboratories
1-800-822-2463
produced using thimerosal, lactose
medium: freeze dried polysaccharride antigens from Neisseria Meningitidis
Meruvax II
Rubella Virus Vaccine Live
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
Mumpsvax
Mumps Virus Vaccine Live
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
Orimune
Poliovirus Vaccine Live Oral Trivalent
Lederle Laboratories
1-800-934-5556
produced using 3 types of attenuated polioviruses, streptomycin, neomycin, calf serum, sorbitol
medium: monkey kidney cell culture
Pneumovax
Pneumococcal Vaccine Polyvalent
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using phenol and capsular polysaccharides from the 23 most prevalent pneumococcal types
Imovax
Rabies Vaccine Adsorbed
Connaught Laboratories
1-800-822-2463
produced using human albumin, neomycin sulfate, phenol red indicator
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
Rabies Vaccine Adsorbed
SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals
1-800-366-8900 ext. 5231
produced using betapropiolactone, aluminum phosphate, sodium ethylmercurithiosalicylate (thimerosal), phenol red
medium: fetal rhesus monkey lung cells
Recombivax
Hepatitis B Vaccine Recombinant
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using thimerosal, aluminum hydroxide
medium: yeast (residual < 1% yeast protein)
RotaShield
Rotavirus Vaccine, Live, Oral, Tetravalent
Wyeth-Ayerst Laboratories
1-800-934-5556
produced using 1 rhesus monkey rotavirus, 3 rhesus-human reassortant viruses, sucrose, monosodium glutamate (MSG), potassium monophosphate, potassium diphosphate, fetal bovine serum, neomycin sulfate, amphotericin B
medium: fetal rhesus diploid cell line
Varivax
Varicella Virus Vaccine Live
Merck & Co., Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using sucrose, phosphate, glutamate, processed gelatin
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
Chemical Profiles and Definitions
visit [link to www.scorecard.org] to investigate chemical profiles
Sources: EDF (Environmental Defense Fund) & MME (Mosby's Medical Encyclopedia)
Ammonium Sulfate: EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant, neurotoxicant, respiratory toxicant
Amphotericin B: MME definintion - "a drug used to treat fungus infections. Known allergy to this drug prohibits use. Side effects include blood clots, blood defects, kidney problems, nausea and fever. When used on the skin, allergic reactions can occur."
Aluminum: EDF Suspected - cardiovascular, or blood toxicant, neurotoxicant, respiratory toxicant.
More hazardous than most chemicals in 2 out of 6 ranking systems.
On at least 2 federal regulatory lists.
Beta-Propiolactone: EDF Recognized - carcinogen
EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant; respiratory toxicant; skin or sense organ toxicant.
More hazardous than most chemicals in 3 out of 3 ranking systems.
On at least 5 federal regulatory lists ranked as one of the most hazardous compounds (worst 10%) to humans.
Formaldehyde: EDF Recognized - carcinogen
Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant; immunotoxicant, neurotoxicant, reproductive toxicant; respiratory toxicant; skin or sense organ toxicant.
More hazardous than most chemicals in 5 out of 12 ranking systems.
On at least 8 federal regulatory lists ranked as one of the most hazardous compounds (worst 10%) to ecosystems and human health.
Gentamicin Sulfate: an antibiotic
Hydrolyzed Gelatin: obtained from selected pieces of calf and cattle skins, de-mineralized cattle bones (ossein) and porkskin.
Neomycin: an antibiotic
Phenol : EDF Suspected - cardiovascular or blood toxicant aka Carbolic Acid - developmental toxicant, gastrointestinal or liver toxicant kidney toxicant, neurotoxicant respiratory toxicant, skin or sense organ toxicant.
More hazardous than most chemicals in 3 out of 10 ranking systems.
On at least 8 federal regulatory lists.
Phenoxyethanol: EDF Suspected - developmental toxicant, reproductive toxicant (aka: Antifreeze).
Less hazardous than most chemicals in 3 ranking systems.
Polyribosylribitol: a component of the Hib bacterium
Polymyxin: an antibiotic
Polysorbate: EDF Suspected - skin or sense organ toxicant
Sorbitol: EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant.
Less hazardous than most chemicals in 1 ranking system.
Streptomycin: an antibiotic
Sucrose: refined sugar
Thimerosal: EDF Recognized - developmental toxicant. Suspected - skin or sense organ toxicant.
Tri(n)butylphosphate: EDF Suspected - kidney toxicant neurotoxicant.
More hazardous than most chemicals in 2 out of 3 ranking systems.
On at least 1 federal regulatory list.
"We have a duty to look after each other. If we lose control of our government, then we lose our ability to dispense justice and human kindness. Our first priority today, then, is to defeat utterly those forces of greed and corruption that have come between us and our self-governance."
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 421748
5/31/2008 5:42 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
Poison
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In the context of biology, poisons are substances that can cause damage, illness, or death to organisms, usually by chemical reaction or other activity on the molecular scale, when a sufficient quantity is absorbed by an organism. Legally and in hazardous chemical labelling, poisons are especially toxic substances; less toxic substances are labelled "harmful", "irritant", or not labelled at all.
In medicine (particularly veterinary) and in zoology, a poison is often distinguished from a toxin and a venom. Toxins are poisons produced via some biological function in nature, and venoms are usually defined as biologic toxins that are injected by a bite or sting to cause their effect, while other poisons are generally defined as substances which are absorbed through epithelial linings such as the skin or gut.
Vitamin K shot:
Reprinted from International Chiropractic Pediatric Association Newsletter
September/October 2002 Issue
by Linda Folden Palmer, DC
UPDATE to below article: A very large 2003 study in the British Journal of Cancer (Fear et al.) has suggested that there is no link between bolus vitamin K provision at birth and leukemia or other cancers. (The study eliminated 2% of cancer cases in their study group that were diagnosed prior to 3 months of age. They additionally did not count Down's syndrome babies and some others.) I'm inclined to believe that the risk is slight if it exists. Still, the conflicts in findings lead me to want to see an analysis of premature babies only, as any effect will be enhanced in this set and may provide a more definitive answer for older babies --- not to question provision in preemies as the benefits of vitamin K administration are more important in premature infants.
Newborn infants routinely receive a vitamin K shot after birth in order to prevent (or slow) a rare problem of bleeding into the brain weeks after birth. Vitamin K promotes blood clotting. The fetus has low levels of vitamin K as well as other factors needed in clotting. The body maintains these levels very precisely.1 Supplementation of vitamin K to the pregnant mother does not change the K status of the fetus, confirming the importance of its specific levels.
Toward the end of gestation, the fetus begins developing some of the other clotting factors, developing two key factors just before term birth.2 It has recently been shown that Vitamin K is involved in regulating the rate of cell division in the fetus. It's possible that abnormally high levels of vitamin K can allow cell division to get out of hand, leading to cancer.
What's the Concern?
The problem of bleeding into the brain occurs mainly from 3 to 7 weeks after birth in just over 5 out of 100,000 births (without vitamin K injections); 90% of those cases are breastfed infants,3 because formulas are supplemented with unnaturally high levels of vitamin K. Forty percent of these infants suffer permanent brain damage or death.
The cause of this bleeding trauma is generally liver disease that has not been detected until the bleeding occurs. Several liver problems can reduce the liver's ability to make blood-clotting factors out of vitamin K; therefore extra K helps this situation. Infants exposed to drugs or alcohol through any means are especially at risk, and those from mothers on anti-epileptic medications are at very high risk and need special attention.
Such complications reduce the effectiveness of vitamin K, and in these cases, a higher level of available K could prevent the tragic intracranial bleeding. This rare bleeding disorder has been found to be highly preventable by a large-dose injection of vitamin K at birth.
The downside of this practice however is a possibly 80% increased risk of developing childhood leukemia. While a few studies have refuted this suggestion, several tightly controlled studies have shown this correlation to be most likely.4,5 A more recent analysis of six different studies suggests it may be a 10 or 20% increased risk. This is still a significant number of avoidable cancers.6
Apparently the cell division that continues to be quite rapid after birth continues to depend on precise amounts of vitamin K to proceed at the proper rate. Introduction of levels that are 20,000 times the newborn level, the amount usually injected, can have devastating consequences.
The Newborn's Diet
Nursing raises the infant's vitamin K levels very gradually after birth so that no disregulation occurs that would encourage leukemia development. Additionally, the clotting system of the healthy newborn is well planned, and healthy breastfed infants do not suffer bleeding complications, even without any supplementation.7
While breastfed infants demonstrate lower blood levels of vitamin K than the "recommended" amount, they show no signs of vitamin K deficiency (leading one to wonder where the "recommended" level for infants came from). But with vitamin K injections at birth, harmful consequences of some rare disorders can be averted.
Infant formulas are supplemented with high levels of vitamin K, generally sufficient to prevent intracranial bleeding in the case of a liver disorder and in some other rare bleeding disorders. Although formula feeding is seen to increase overall childhood cancer rates by 80%, this is likely not related to the added vitamin K.
The Numbers
Extracting data from available literature reveals that there are 1.5 extra cases of leukemia per 100,000 children due to vitamin K injections, and 1.8 more permanent injuries or deaths per 100,000 due to brain bleeding without injections. Adding the risk of infection or damage from the injections, including a local skin disease called "scleroderma" that is seen rarely with K injections,8 and even adding the possibility of healthy survival from leukemia, the scales remain tipped toward breastfed infants receiving a prophylactic vitamin K supplementation. However, there are better options than the .5 or 1 milligram injections typically given to newborns.
A Better Solution
The breastfed infant can be supplemented with several low oral doses of liquid vitamin K9 (possibly 200 micrograms per week for 5 weeks, totaling 1 milligram, even more gradual introduction may be better). Alternatively, the nursing mother can take vitamin K supplements daily or twice weekly for 10 weeks. (Supplementation of the pregnant mother does not alter fetal levels but supplementation of the nursing mother does increase breastmilk and infant levels.)
Either of these provides a much safer rate of vitamin K supplementation. Maternal supplementation of 2.5 mg per day, recommended by one author, provides a higher level of vitamin K through breastmilk than does formula,10 and may be much more than necessary.
Formula provides 10 times the U.S. recommended daily allowance," and this RDA is about 2 times the level in unsupplemented human milk. One milligram per day for 10 weeks for mother provides a cumulative extra 1 milligram to her infant over the important period and seems reasonable. Neither mother nor infant require supplementation if the infant is injected at birth.11
The Bottom Line
There is no overwhelming reason to discontinue this routine prophylactic injection for breastfed infants. Providing information about alternatives to allow informed parents to refuse would be reasonable. These parents may then decide to provide some gradual supplementation, or, for an entirely healthy term infant, they may simply provide diligent watchfulness for any signs of jaundice (yellowing of eyes or skin) or easy bleeding.
There appears to be no harm in supplementing this vitamin in a gradual manner however. Currently, injections are provided to infants intended for formula feeding as well, although there appears to be no need as formula provides good gradual supplementation. Discontinuing routine injections for this group alone could reduce cases of leukemia.
One more curious look at childhood leukemia is the finding that when any nation lowers its rate of infant deaths, their rate of childhood leukemia increases.12 Vitamin K injections may be responsible for some part of this number, but other factors are surely involved, about which we can only speculate.
Notes
1. L.G. Israels et al., "The riddle of vitamin K1 deficit in the newborn," Semin Perinatol 21, no. 1 (Feb 1997): 90-6.
2. P. Reverdiau-Moalic et al., "Evolution of blood coagulation activators and inhibitors in the healthy human fetus," Blood (France) 88, no. 3 (Aug 1996): 900-6.
3. A.H. Sutor et al., "Late form of vitamin K deficiency bleeding in Germany," Klin Padiatr (Germany) 207, no. 3 (May-Jun 1995): 89-97.
4. L. Parker et al., "Neonatal vitamin K administration and childhood cancer in the north of England: retrospective case-control study," BMJ (England) 316, no. 7126 (Jan 1998): 189-93.
5. S.J. Passmore et al., "Case-control studies of relation between childhood cancer and neonatal vitamin K administration," BMJ (England) 316, no. 7126 (Jan 1998): 178-84.
6. E. Roman et al., "Vitamin K and childhood cancer: analysis of individual patient data from six case-control studies," Br J Cancer (England) 86, no. 1 (Jan 2002): 63-9.
7. M. Andrew, "The relevance of developmental hemostasis to hemorrhagic disorders of newborns," Semin Perinatol 21, no. 1 (Feb 1997): 70-85.
8. E. Bourrat et al., "[Scleroderma-like patch on the thigh in infants after vitamin K injection at birth: six observations]," Ann Dermatol Venereol (France) 123, no. 10 (1996): 634-8.
9. A.H. Sutor, "Vitamin K deficiency bleeding in infants and children," Semin Thromb Hemost (Germany) 21, no. 3 (1995): 317-29.
10. S. Bolisetty, "Vitamin K in preterm breast milk with maternal supplementation," Acta Paediatr (Australia) 87, no. 9 (Sep 1998): 960-2.
11. K. Hogenbirk et al., "The effect of formula versus breast feeding and exogenous vitamin K1 supplementation on circulating levels of vitamin K1 and vitamin K-dependent clotting factors in newborns," Eur J Pediatr 152, no. 1 (Jan 1993): 72-4.
12. A. Stewart, "Etiology of childhood leukemia: a possible alternative to the Greaves hypothesis," Leuk Res (England) 14, nos. 11-12 (1990): 937-9. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 421748
5/31/2008 5:51 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
We recently were told by pediatricians that they believe whole-heartedly in vaccines and basically we won't be welcome in their practice anymore. So I wondered if anyone has come accross any figures of what American pediatrician offices are paid in bonuses for vaccination.
thanks all! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 438798
5/31/2008 6:00 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
VACCINE INGREDIENTS ...AND THEIR CHEMICAL PROFILES
Compiled By Arthur M. Evangelista, a former FDA Investigator
VACCINE INGREDIENTS
Source: 1997 Physicians' Desk Reference
Toll Free Numbers can be called to obtain product inserts.
This is a representative, not a comprehensive, list of the various types of vaccines.
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"We have a duty to look after each other. If we lose control of our government, then we lose our ability to dispense justice and human kindness. Our first priority today, then, is to defeat utterly those forces of greed and corruption that have come between us and our self-governance."
[ link to www.wnho.net]
Dang, that quote is amazing.
Thanks for this list too! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 438798
5/31/2008 6:05 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
We recently were told by pediatricians that they believe whole-heartedly in vaccines and basically we won't be welcome in their practice anymore. So I wondered if anyone has come accross any figures of what American pediatrician offices are paid in bonuses for vaccination.
thanks all! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 421748
I would also like to get a general figure too to determine if there are any other incentives in use other than providing well being.
I can empathize with your experience from my own pediatrician office experience. As a parent, I felt pretty helpless in avoiding the vaccinations. The biggest frustration was that I couldn't really address the questions I had regarding the information I read about regarding the concerns with vaccinations. Also, the strong stigma that you are a very bad parent if you don't vaccinate.
There was also the added pressure from the health insurance, they send cards to remind you of any vaccinations. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380240
5/31/2008 6:35 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
Well that's the kicker right there . |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 440306
5/31/2008 6:40 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
We recently were told by pediatricians that they believe whole-heartedly in vaccines and basically we won't be welcome in their practice anymore. So I wondered if anyone has come accross any figures of what American pediatrician offices are paid in bonuses for vaccination.
thanks all!
I would also like to get a general figure too to determine if there are any other incentives in use other than providing well being.
I can empathize with your experience from my own pediatrician office experience. As a parent, I felt pretty helpless in avoiding the vaccinations. The biggest frustration was that I couldn't really address the questions I had regarding the information I read about regarding the concerns with vaccinations. Also, the strong stigma that you are a very bad parent if you don't vaccinate.
There was also the added pressure from the health insurance, they send cards to remind you of any vaccinations. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 438798
The unfortunate fact is, Big Pharma owns most doctors, the medical school training they received, the FDA and the entire medical system. Did you ever wonder why you can't get through a single TV commercial break without asking your doctor if the purple pill is right for you? Did you ever wonder why there's a continually revolving door between the FDA and Big Pharma? Did you ever wonder why dangerous drugs are allowed on the market for lengthy periods? America is the only country in the world that allows direct-to-consumer pharmaceutical marketing.
Any pediatrician who told me I wasn't welcome because of their arrogant assumption that they knew more about vaccines than me would find me out the door before they could finish their sentence. It's YOUR child who's health is YOUR responsibility and you'll get nothing but excuses from the physician if they become the 1 in 76 who are autistic or have learning disabilities.
Ask those doctors how many of their 55,000 patients who died taking Vioxx that they prescribed did they take responsibility for?
Personally, I'd find a naturopath (O.D.) who will have more medical knowledge than what pharmaceutical to prescribe and likely be more sympathetic to your concerns. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 195681
5/31/2008 8:02 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
I can honestly say my son is one of the victims of this crap. He is one of the 150 males born in this country that has a form of autism known as aspergers syndrome which many doctors and researchers link to the mmr vaccine.
My son is 9 now and it took 7 yrs. to figure out what was wrong with him and let me tell you that was 7 of the longest yrs of my life. Not to mention I am 3rd generation Navy and I am sure everyone is aware that military personnel have no say in vaccines they get so who knows how many men an women are infected with something that they pass on to there offspring.
As for now all I can do is deal with my who has great days and really bad days but he is my buddy and its just horrible that he cant have the childhood I had and be a normal kid everyday.
And its really funny how all the doctors want to do is prescribe more drugs to try and counter act the damage they already done. We have been fighting with doctors for years to keep him off of more drugs. Its and uphill battle but with 9yrs. of trial and error routine is important and lots of love and one on one time really help.
So anyone else with similar problems I would really like to share ideas on how you deal with this nightmare. Quoting: Brwnstown
Third generation mercenary?
Is the Navy teat that sweet? |
| Hanged Man 
The Visionary Co-Creator
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5/31/2008 8:06 PM
 | | GREY LENSMAN
User ID: 442629
5/31/2008 10:00 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
AMAZING STUFF
AND WELL DONE AT SPOTTING ALL THE LINKS.
GL |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 442978
5/31/2008 10:20 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
I had a horrible thought today. Unfortunately, very few women breast feed, because it's an inconvenience. Is the formula women give to babies completely safe? We know it's a "Mother's milk" substitute, but how safe is it? I actually feel sorry for babies on that crap. It tastes like shit! |
| GREY LENSMAN
User ID: 442629
5/31/2008 10:35 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
AS AN ASIDE
THE SOY BABY MILK GIVES A BABY ABOUT THE SAME AS 5 CONTRACEPTIVE PILLS PER DAY. BET THATS GOOD FOR THEM.
GL |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 440306
5/31/2008 10:44 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
I had a horrible thought today. Unfortunately, very few women breast feed, because it's an inconvenience. Is the formula women give to babies completely safe? We know it's a "Mother's milk" substitute, but how safe is it? I actually feel sorry for babies on that crap. It tastes like shit! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 442978
Well, Canada recently pulled all the plastic baby bottles from their shelves because of a chemical in the plastic.
The U.S. is allowing stores to sell off their inventory. Those Lexan colored hiking water bottles are bad news, but they're still being sold. Then there's Teflon pans, Aspartame (thanks to Don Rumsfeld when he was CEO of Searle Pharmaceuticals), fluoridated toothpaste (I like the warnings on the back: "if more than a pea-sized amount is swallowed, contact your nearest poison control center".) Otherwise, the pro-fluoride gang calls it a "nutrient." 
Oh ya, living in America is a lot like the living in the Roman Empire, right on down to the lead water pipes. |
| Primal
User ID: 443519
5/31/2008 10:47 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
I would like to point out that we are the only organism on the planet that synthasizes its own chemical "medicines". Do you see any other organism on this planet doing that? We did not evolve taking artificial substances and yet only in the last century have we been degenerating at this remarkable speed. Us humans think we are "better and cleaner" then all other plants and animals because we don't eat other organisms, we cook, alter, and sterilize them until they're about as nutritious as rocks. Then, we further chemically alter these substances and listen to the arrogance of the "degreed" scientists and medical people telling us that its GOOD FOR US!
Perhaps we should think about some things.
Why the hell would we need to alter A DAMN THING?! Do you see lions or pandas or penguins altering our world because they think we are "HELPING" it? Is it "BETTER"? No, of course not, mother nature has created everything for us so that we may live in harmony with all of life.
Our race has just a little to many control issues. There is no struggle in life. SO STOP STRUGGLING! SHEESH! (however i've been known to struggle from time to time :) :P |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 443529
5/31/2008 11:14 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
Very good OP. My daughter has not had one injection of poison her whole life and she's never been better.
Vaccinations are Poison@!!!! PERIOD... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 442543
Dear idiot,
Get a grip. Do you know why women had 6 children on average before the advent of vaccines?
Because half of the frigging died before they turned 10!!!!
Don't believe me, you child molester.
Just look at any graveyard.
Or any family tree.
You will kill your daughter.
And I will laugh at your grief.
Bitch. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 443529
5/31/2008 11:21 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
And if you are of child bearing years, that means that you probably got vaccinated.
And look, you survived without any ill effects.
there is dumb. And there is dumber.
And anyone who does not vaccinate their children deserve to have them culled from the gene pool.
Look up how many children died from agonizing deaths from polio.
Compare that from how many children died from the polio vaccine.
millions vs 10.
I'd say that is pretty good odds for the vaccine, don't you think?
And whooping cough. Have you ever heard a child with whooping cough? NO i didn't think so.
Well I have. They can't breath. They basically asphyxiate themselves to death. While they are fully cognizant of their dying. Pretty gruesome way to go.
But go on ahead, and avoid the whooping cough vaccine. And then wail to the tv that "you didn't know."
I hope they throw your ass in jail for child murder. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 442629
5/31/2008 11:24 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
445529
NO NEED TO NAME CALL.
INFANT MORTALITY WAS CLOSELY TIED TO SANITATION AND HYGIENE. WHEN THAT IMPROVED, INFANT MORTALITY FELL MASSIVELY.
CLEAN WATER WAS THE REASON FOR THE HUGE FALL IN DISEASE. MOST OF THESE WERE AND ARE WATER BORN BUT ONLY IN CONTAMINATED WATER.
WHAT DOES CONTAMINATED WATER MEAN.
NOW THAT OPENS A WHOLE PUFFBALL.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE ARE SURROUNDED BY GERMS.
ALL THEEY NEED IS THE RIGHT CONDITIONS TO BREED OUT OF CONTROL.
NOTHING TO DO WITH VACCINES AND THAT WHOLE FAKE SCIENCE.
GL |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 443529
5/31/2008 11:36 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
445529
NO NEED TO NAME CALL.
INFANT MORTALITY WAS CLOSELY TIED TO SANITATION AND HYGIENE. WHEN THAT IMPROVED, INFANT MORTALITY FELL MASSIVELY.
CLEAN WATER WAS THE REASON FOR THE HUGE FALL IN DISEASE. MOST OF THESE WERE AND ARE WATER BORN BUT ONLY IN CONTAMINATED WATER.
WHAT DOES CONTAMINATED WATER MEAN.
NOW THAT OPENS A WHOLE PUFFBALL.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE ARE SURROUNDED BY GERMS.
ALL THEEY NEED IS THE RIGHT CONDITIONS TO BREED OUT OF CONTROL.
NOTHING TO DO WITH VACCINES AND THAT WHOLE FAKE SCIENCE.
GL Quoting: Anonymous Coward 442629
This is what happens when they teach creationism and junk science in schools.
A whole generation of americans who are scientifically illiterate.
Let's get out eh ouiji board and throw some bones. No wonder America is imploding. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 437134
5/31/2008 11:41 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
I have an unvaccinated 12 year old who is one healthy kid! He has a kick ass immune system, never had an antibiotic. And yes we do other things! Herbs, acupuncture, homeopathy and healthy happy lifestyle.
Put big pharma out of business. Take responsibility for your health care |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 443529
5/31/2008 11:45 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
445529
NO NEED TO NAME CALL.
INFANT MORTALITY WAS CLOSELY TIED TO SANITATION AND HYGIENE. WHEN THAT IMPROVED, INFANT MORTALITY FELL MASSIVELY.
CLEAN WATER WAS THE REASON FOR THE HUGE FALL IN DISEASE. MOST OF THESE WERE AND ARE WATER BORN BUT ONLY IN CONTAMINATED WATER.
WHAT DOES CONTAMINATED WATER MEAN.
NOW THAT OPENS A WHOLE PUFFBALL.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE ARE SURROUNDED BY GERMS.
ALL THEEY NEED IS THE RIGHT CONDITIONS TO BREED OUT OF CONTROL.
NOTHING TO DO WITH VACCINES AND THAT WHOLE FAKE SCIENCE.
GL Quoting: Anonymous Coward 442629
Water borne diseases are not viral. Cholera, typhus, dysentary are water borne diseases. They are BACTERIAL. Some are parasytic. Improved sanitation DOES eliminate and/or control these diseases.
Polio, chicken pox, smallpox, whooping cough, influenza, HIV, are examples of viruses. Viruses are NOT spread through water, (although their are some interesting studies about pandemic influenza and possible water borne vectors).
And surrounded by germs! Oh my! I hate to break it to you but not only are you surrounded by germs, but they live in your gut. Right now! Amazing! and you know that bad case of BO you get when you forget to put on deoderant and go dancing the mambo? Guess what makes that smell? Sweat? NO, you moron, it's "germs" eating your sweat. Duh.
You have germs living on you. You have germs living in you. And you do NOT want them to go away.
Now bad germs are bad, but don't be afraid of all germs. |
| GREY LENSMAN
User ID: 442629
5/31/2008 11:45 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
MM INTERESTING.
SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT LIVING IN SHIT, DRINKING POLLUTED WATER AND HAVING SPOILED FOOD IS OK AS LONG AS YOU ARE VACCINATED.
THAT SEEMS MORE LIKE JUNK SCIENCE TO ME.
NO, IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT HOW THE IMMUNE SYSTEM WORKS, THE TOOLS IT HAS AND THE PROCESSES IT USES, YOU WILL REALISE THAT VACCINES ARE NOT ONLY JUNK BUT DANGEROUS.
THATS THE SCIENCE BUT WHAT ABOUT THE MECHANICS.
ITS OK TO PUT MERCURY, ALUMINIUM, MONKEY BRAINS, PRESERVATIVES ETC IN IT. THEY DONT DO ANYTHING AT ALL.
THAT AGAIN IS JUNK SCIENCE.
HAY A LITTLE OF THIS IS GREAT BUT A LITTLE OF THAT POISON, OH DONT WORRY IT DONT DO ANYTHING.
SAME WITH HERD EFFECT. WHEN THE PEER REVIWED SCIENCE FALLS DOWN, REVERT TO MAGIC.
GL |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 443529
5/31/2008 11:52 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
I have an unvaccinated 12 year old who is one healthy kid! He has a kick ass immune system, never had an antibiotic. And yes we do other things! Herbs, acupuncture, homeopathy and healthy happy lifestyle.
Put big pharma out of business. Take responsibility for your health care Quoting: Anonymous Coward 437134
Oh, and in case you may think I am a pharma shill,
I hate doctors. I hate medicines (for the most part). America is waaaay to overmedicated, and we will most likely pay for it in the future.
Avoid any and all medicines prescribed to you that are "lifetime" drugs.
Only take antibiotics if you have a bacterial infection that is threating to kill you. Otherwise, tough it out.
Play in the dirt. Let your children play in the dirt. Dirt is good. Drop your hotdog on the ground, wipe it off, and eat it.
Swap spit with your dog. Sharing doggy germs is good for you. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 443529
5/31/2008 11:56 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
MM INTERESTING.
SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT LIVING IN SHIT, DRINKING POLLUTED WATER AND HAVING SPOILED FOOD IS OK AS LONG AS YOU ARE VACCINATED.
THAT SEEMS MORE LIKE JUNK SCIENCE TO ME.
NO, IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT HOW THE IMMUNE SYSTEM WORKS, THE TOOLS IT HAS AND THE PROCESSES IT USES, YOU WILL REALISE THAT VACCINES ARE NOT ONLY JUNK BUT DANGEROUS.
THATS THE SCIENCE BUT WHAT ABOUT THE MECHANICS.
ITS OK TO PUT MERCURY, ALUMINIUM, MONKEY BRAINS, PRESERVATIVES ETC IN IT. THEY DONT DO ANYTHING AT ALL.
THAT AGAIN IS JUNK SCIENCE.
HAY A LITTLE OF THIS IS GREAT BUT A LITTLE OF THAT POISON, OH DONT WORRY IT DONT DO ANYTHING.
SAME WITH HERD EFFECT. WHEN THE PEER REVIWED SCIENCE FALLS DOWN, REVERT TO MAGIC.
GL Quoting: GREY LENSMAN 442629
If you are going to debate me, at least read what I am telling you.
to wit:
Water borne diseases are not viral. Cholera, typhus, dysentery are water borne diseases. They are BACTERIAL. Some are parasitic. Improved sanitation DOES eliminate and/or control these diseases.
I agreed, in part, with you. You just don't understand the difference between bacterial/parasitic infections and viral infections. |
| GREY LENSMAN
User ID: 442629
5/31/2008 11:58 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
HERE WE GO AGAIN, CHALK AND CHEESE. DOES NOBODY LEARN OR THINK.
QUOTE
Water borne diseases are not viral. Cholera, typhus, dysentary are water borne diseases. They are BACTERIAL. Some are parasytic. Improved sanitation DOES eliminate and/or control these diseases.
UNQUOTE
ALL THE CLAIMS AND 95% OF THE HISTORY OF VACCINATION RELATES TO BACTERIAL INFECTIONS AND IN PARTICULAR WATER BORN ONES. VACCINES FOR VIRUSES WERE/ARE THE HOLY GRAIL.
THOSE RECENTLY INTRODUCED DONT WORK (FLU) AND MANY MORE ARE PURE MYTH, ONLY MAKING MONEY. OVER 900 FLU VIRUS STRAINS, SO EVEN IF A VACCINE DID WORK, IT WOULD BE PURE LUCK THAT YOU GOT THE RIGHT ONE. WHOOO HOLD ON A MINUTE, BACK TO CHANCE AGAIN.
GL |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 443529
5/31/2008 11:59 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
I have an unvaccinated 12 year old who is one healthy kid! He has a kick ass immune system, never had an antibiotic. And yes we do other things! Herbs, acupuncture, homeopathy and healthy happy lifestyle.
Put big pharma out of business. Take responsibility for your health care
Oh, and in case you may think I am a pharma shill,
I hate doctors. I hate medicines (for the most part). America is waaaay to overmedicated, and we will most likely pay for it in the future.
Avoid any and all medicines prescribed to you that are "lifetime" drugs.
Only take antibiotics if you have a bacterial infection that is threating to kill you. Otherwise, tough it out.
Play in the dirt. Let your children play in the dirt. Dirt is good. Drop your hotdog on the ground, wipe it off, and eat it.
Swap spit with your dog. Sharing doggy germs is good for you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 443529
Oh and I forgot one other thing.
Take your god danged vaccinations! The life you save may be your own. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 443529
6/1/2008 12:19 AM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
HERE WE GO AGAIN, CHALK AND CHEESE. DOES NOBODY LEARN OR THINK.
QUOTE
Water borne diseases are not viral. Cholera, typhus, dysentary are water borne diseases. They are BACTERIAL. Some are parasytic. Improved sanitation DOES eliminate and/or control these diseases.
UNQUOTE
ALL THE CLAIMS AND 95% OF THE HISTORY OF VACCINATION RELATES TO BACTERIAL INFECTIONS AND IN PARTICULAR WATER BORN ONES. VACCINES FOR VIRUSES WERE/ARE THE HOLY GRAIL.
THOSE RECENTLY INTRODUCED DONT WORK (FLU) AND MANY MORE ARE PURE MYTH, ONLY MAKING MONEY. OVER 900 FLU VIRUS STRAINS, SO EVEN IF A VACCINE DID WORK, IT WOULD BE PURE LUCK THAT YOU GOT THE RIGHT ONE. WHOOO HOLD ON A MINUTE, BACK TO CHANCE AGAIN.
GL Quoting: GREY LENSMAN 442629
Vaccines do work. When was the last time you saw a case of small pox? Hmmmm?
How about polio? When was teh last time you saw a case of polio? Hmmm?
Diptheria? (which is bacterial) When was the last time you saw a case of Diptheria? Why don't you ask the russians what happened when they stopped vaccinating?
see the wikipedia quote below.
Diphtheria is a serious disease, with fatality rates between 5% and 10%. In children under 5 years and adults over 40 years, the fatality rate may be as much as 20%.[3] Outbreaks, though very rare, still occur worldwide, even in developed nations. After the breakup of the former Soviet Union in the late 1980s, vaccination rates in its constituent countries fell so low that there was an explosion of diphtheria cases. In 1991 there were 2,000 cases of diphtheria in the USSR. By 1998, according to Red Cross estimates, there were as many as 200,000 cases in the Commonwealth of Independent States, with 5,000 deaths. This was so great an increase that diphtheria was cited in the Guinness Book of World Records as "most resurgent disease". |
| A Concerned Canadian
User ID: 443472
6/1/2008 12:25 AM
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I have got the flu Vaccination for about 10 years and every damn time i have got the flu afterwards but last year i did not get one and guess what? I got no flu what so ever.
So explain that one to me Quoting: coolhandluke74
Because they gave you a bit of the flu virus every time they gave you a shot. Thats how you build immunity to it. And thats also why kids that haven't had the shots should stay away from the vaccinated ones when there is a virus going around. The vaccinated kids have the virus, its just not effecting them much. The schools are protecting you un vaccinated child from catching an illness they are not immune too. |
| Queen
User ID: 422489
6/1/2008 12:31 AM
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As much as you want a perfect world, you are not going to get it.
Some vaccines have harmful side effects; and people get sick and die from vaccines every year.
But vaccines also keep more people from getting more diseases and save a lot more lives than they cost.
From that point of view, vaccines are, overall, a "good thing".
Here in the United States, the powers that be (i.e., the powers we elect) have determined that you don't have to be vaccinated, nor do your kids, as long as they're not exposing other kids to disease. This means tht, if you want to send your kids to a public school where they might be able to infect other kids, you must have them vaccinated.
If you don't like it, you're not forced to do so at the point of a gun, near as I can figure out -- you just have to make other arrangements for your kids' education.
So what's the big deal? Your choice, right? Quoting: Duncan Kunz
It's sad you show how much of a fool you are. You don't even know what you are talking about. If you want to send you children to school, depending upon the state, you need the appropriate paperwork and can send them.
I unfortunately did not know this prior to injecting my children. All three have autoimmune disorders we live with daily. Would I do it again, NEVER. I see my children going thru the hell I provided for them and reap that daily. All for a bogus buggie man bedtime story to sell more to an unsuspected public. To late for me, but if I was a new parent I would NEVER have my children innoculated with nothing but a magical poison call a vaccination.
If you like Russian Roulette, may I suggest a shotgun, it has a wide range and can effect just about any area it reaches and activates on. I feel like that's what I did to my children.
If a lie becomes a truth after so many years it is a McCainism |
| GREY LENSMAN
User ID: 442629
6/1/2008 12:51 AM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
SO YOU ONLY GET BACTERIA AND VIRUSES AT SCHOOL. INTERESTING
QUOTE
The schools are protecting you un vaccinated child from catching an illness they are not immune too.
UNQUOTE.
A REAL INABILITY TO SORT OUT CAUSE FROM EFFECT.
TO THE POSTER
NO MORE THIS OR THAT
READ MY LIPS
BETTER SANITATION, HYGIENE AND CLEAN WATER.
ITS THAT SIMPLE
STOP BLEATING HOW VACCINES DID THAT, NO THEY DIDNT.
READ ALL THE DATA,
GL+ |
| Queen
User ID: 422489
6/1/2008 12:55 AM
| | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
I have an unvaccinated 12 year old who is one healthy kid! He has a kick ass immune system, never had an antibiotic. And yes we do other things! Herbs, acupuncture, homeopathy and healthy happy lifestyle.
Put big pharma out of business. Take responsibility for your health care Quoting: Anonymous Coward 437134
Responsibility for choices. What a concept? Most people just don't want to research the issues, just append to popular opinion which is manipulated by the larger powers in it for the money.
DO NOT ALLOW ANY MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL TO BULLY YOU INTO DOING SOMETHING YOU ARE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH AND DO NOT ALLOW THEM TO DETERMINE WHAT IS BEST FOR YOU CHILD.
I did all of the above and have twin 19 year olds that are asking me WHY. DON'T WALK IN MY SHOES.
If a lie becomes a truth after so many years it is a McCainism |
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