This is a little off topic but there is a movie, "Mozart and the Whale". It is about an aspergers syndrome group and how they survive in this world, it really is a very good movie.
Sharry Edwards has been working with sound therapy for 30 years and has had experience with children and vaccination issues. She does not heal, she says the sounds allow the body to heal itself. I've taken her class and the information she provides is so interesting yet expensive.
She has studied alot of information about vaccinations and has trained alot of people on this research. Good luck to you and your child. Thanks for the information you are providing to help other parents decide for themselves. It is hard realizing that we just made a very bad choice for our families. If a lie becomes a truth after so many years it is a McCainism
Anonymous Coward User ID: 438798 6/1/2008 11:58 AM
This is a little off topic but there is a movie, "Mozart and the Whale". It is about an aspergers syndrome group and how they survive in this world, it really is a very good movie.
Sharry Edwards has been working with sound therapy for 30 years and has had experience with children and vaccination issues. She does not heal, she says the sounds allow the body to heal itself. I've taken her class and the information she provides is so interesting yet expensive.
She has studied alot of information about vaccinations and has trained alot of people on this research. Good luck to you and your child. Thanks for the information you are providing to help other parents decide for themselves. It is hard realizing that we just made a very bad choice for our families.
Quoting: Queen
Gotcha one angry momma :)
I understand why you are angry. But once you settled down a little, your message became a lot more clearer to me.
Please don't let your anger cloud your message. You offer a firsthand account of this topic's experience and I really appreciate that.
As much as you want a perfect world, you are not going to get it.
Some vaccines have harmful side effects; and people get sick and die from vaccines every year.
But vaccines also keep more people from getting more diseases and save a lot more lives than they cost.
From that point of view, vaccines are, overall, a "good thing".
Here in the United States, the powers that be (i.e., the powers we elect) have determined that you don't have to be vaccinated, nor do your kids, as long as they're not exposing other kids to disease. This means tht, if you want to send your kids to a public school where they might be able to infect other kids, you must have them vaccinated.
If you don't like it, you're not forced to do so at the point of a gun, near as I can figure out -- you just have to make other arrangements for your kids' education.
So what's the big deal? Your choice, right?
Quoting: Duncan Kunz
Wrong. P.L.99.142 states that every child is entitled to a free and equal education. EVERY child.
As well, some states have laws against home schooling and most parents aren't equipped to teach their children.
Most importantly, vaccines DO NOT save more lives than they cost. Cancer, autism, you name it....there would be far fewer cases of polio, measles, etc. and even then most of the things the vaccines target are more managable, less deadly, less costly, and less harmful than what the vaccines expose us to.
As much as you want a perfect world, you are not going to get it.
Some vaccines have harmful side effects; and people get sick and die from vaccines every year.
But vaccines also keep more people from getting more diseases and save a lot more lives than they cost.
From that point of view, vaccines are, overall, a "good thing".
Here in the United States, the powers that be (i.e., the powers we elect) have determined that you don't have to be vaccinated, nor do your kids, as long as they're not exposing other kids to disease. This means tht, if you want to send your kids to a public school where they might be able to infect other kids, you must have them vaccinated.
If you don't like it, you're not forced to do so at the point of a gun, near as I can figure out -- you just have to make other arrangements for your kids' education.
So what's the big deal? Your choice, right?
Duncan...
I usually grin and agree with most of your posts but it alarms me that you really believe this. My great-grandfather and my grandfather were both medical doctors who rattled off the same line about vaccinations. IF ONE vaccination was given in an emergency epidemic for a specific medical emergency, this line of thought might make a little bit of sense. It also makes it easier to track actual benefits vs. side-effects.
But history has proven that common sense, good sanitation, don't go out when you're sick or when you can GET sick, and a handful of other such things, make for healthier individuals than the mass injections that are given to infants too new to even HAVE a way to process these immunizations. For example...some of the virus' that children are regularly given immunization for are as simple as what 10 years ago were called "normal childhood diseases". Have you ever noticed that the mass batches of kids are inoculated late summer/early fall...go to school...hit on Halloween and become sugar toxic...then...lo and behold....FLU SEASON! Immunities are low (due to the immunizations...) exposure to other kids and lack of supervised sanitation (simple wash of the hands and all)...LOADS of candy that change the PH in the system making all these kids vulnerable to the very "dead" germs that have been injected in to them.....AND...then there's the "need" for the flu shot which exacerbates the situation entirely!
I didn't pay attention to all this...until vaccinations nearly killed my second born. Somehow.....it made me wake up......
Quoting: OneAngryMom
Exactly. The laws should promote things like children can't come to school with a fever, or classes must be taught in the spread of germs and washing hands, etc.
Right now it's a choice to eat unhealthy foods, sit and watch video games for hours, contaminate other people with your germs.....but no choice in injecting cancer/autism risk into your child.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 443787 6/1/2008 12:23 PM
So one-out-of-three Americans are now getting cancer, a rare disease early in this century.
Seems to me that the choice is
1. don't get vaccinated and take a chance on not getting a nasty virus.
If you do get that virus you could be:-
a. dead in a few days
b. permanently disabled by that virus for the rest of your life and therefore a burden to your family/society for the rest of your life.
c. unlikely to reproduce
If you do get vaccinated then you may
a. still get the virus and die
b. get exposed to the virus and survive
c. survive long enough to reproduce
d. die at an advanced age of another disease.
I suppose we might look at the average life expectancy of people living say 100 years ago (no vaccines around then) and compare the average life expectancy today.
100 years ago you were lucky to live beyond 40, today people are living well into their 70s and 80s.
Now people 100 years ago weren't exposed to the same toxins as people are today, they ate natural foods, they were not vaccinated - so why did they only live such a short time? And why do we, with all the horrors that surround us - why do we live so long?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 434826
With all the luddites running around here, I don't think we will be living so long anymore.
Very good OP. My daughter has not had one injection of poison her whole life and she's never been better.
Vaccinations are Poison@!!!! PERIOD...
Dear idiot,
Get a grip. Do you know why women had 6 children on average before the advent of vaccines?
Because half of the frigging died before they turned 10!!!!
Don't believe me, you child molester.
Just look at any graveyard.
Or any family tree.
You will kill your daughter.
And I will laugh at your grief.
Bitch.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 443529
Dear Evil at Heart,
Even if you were correct in this vocal vomit, you'd still have a black soul. Which makes you far worse off than someone who might disagree with your position on vaccinations. Too bad there isn't a vaccine for evil.
And if you are of child bearing years, that means that you probably got vaccinated.
And look, you survived without any ill effects.
there is dumb. And there is dumber.
And anyone who does not vaccinate their children deserve to have them culled from the gene pool.
Look up how many children died from agonizing deaths from polio.
Compare that from how many children died from the polio vaccine.
millions vs 10.
I'd say that is pretty good odds for the vaccine, don't you think?
And whooping cough. Have you ever heard a child with whooping cough? NO i didn't think so.
Well I have. They can't breath. They basically asphyxiate themselves to death. While they are fully cognizant of their dying. Pretty gruesome way to go.
But go on ahead, and avoid the whooping cough vaccine. And then wail to the tv that "you didn't know."
I hope they throw your ass in jail for child murder.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 443529
Wow.
Uh, whooping cough is still rampant and it doesn't kill you by itself AND it's not agonizing like you describe.
Talk about a sociopathic liar.
And let's compare cases of ADD, cancer, autism and then you can continue to spew your polio stats.
HERE WE GO AGAIN, CHALK AND CHEESE. DOES NOBODY LEARN OR THINK.
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Water borne diseases are not viral. Cholera, typhus, dysentary are water borne diseases. They are BACTERIAL. Some are parasytic. Improved sanitation DOES eliminate and/or control these diseases.
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ALL THE CLAIMS AND 95% OF THE HISTORY OF VACCINATION RELATES TO BACTERIAL INFECTIONS AND IN PARTICULAR WATER BORN ONES. VACCINES FOR VIRUSES WERE/ARE THE HOLY GRAIL.
THOSE RECENTLY INTRODUCED DONT WORK (FLU) AND MANY MORE ARE PURE MYTH, ONLY MAKING MONEY. OVER 900 FLU VIRUS STRAINS, SO EVEN IF A VACCINE DID WORK, IT WOULD BE PURE LUCK THAT YOU GOT THE RIGHT ONE. WHOOO HOLD ON A MINUTE, BACK TO CHANCE AGAIN.
GL
Vaccines do work. When was the last time you saw a case of small pox? Hmmmm?
How about polio? When was teh last time you saw a case of polio? Hmmm?
Diptheria? (which is bacterial) When was the last time you saw a case of Diptheria? Why don't you ask the russians what happened when they stopped vaccinating?
see the wikipedia quote below.
Diphtheria is a serious disease, with fatality rates between 5% and 10%. In children under 5 years and adults over 40 years, the fatality rate may be as much as 20%.[3] Outbreaks, though very rare, still occur worldwide, even in developed nations. After the breakup of the former Soviet Union in the late 1980s, vaccination rates in its constituent countries fell so low that there was an explosion of diphtheria cases. In 1991 there were 2,000 cases of diphtheria in the USSR. By 1998, according to Red Cross estimates, there were as many as 200,000 cases in the Commonwealth of Independent States, with 5,000 deaths. This was so great an increase that diphtheria was cited in the Guinness Book of World Records as "most resurgent disease".
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 443529
No one is saying they don't work. Nuclear war works too. But at what cost?
...but some other vaccinations are benevolent; I agree on many things said above but vaccinations can help now and then depending on the desease.
This might be the easiest lesson in "how to identify a shit disturber" I've ever seen.
now and then...
yep
cause that's how they inject it into the newborns
now and then
freeking spoon!
Quoting: OneAngryMom
That's not fair to attack that ac like that. I'm sort of of the same opinion. I think the principal of vaccination is sound, but it's the CONTAMINANTS that I'm concerned about. If I had kids, I would NOT vaccinate them. That said, I have dogs, and I do vaccinate them. I have a friend who lived in Costa Rica for 20 years and rabies is rampant down there. They don't require rabies vaccines. It's unheard of in pets in the US. Naturally, I'm worried that something bad could be in the vaccines, but I don't want my dogs contracting rabies. I live in the country and there are all sorts of wild animals that could possibly be infected. It's not vaccines that I hate, it's the contamination.
As much as you want a perfect world, you are not going to get it.
Some vaccines have harmful side effects; and people get sick and die from vaccines every year.
But vaccines also keep more people from getting more diseases and save a lot more lives than they cost.
From that point of view, vaccines are, overall, a "good thing".
Here in the United States, the powers that be (i.e., the powers we elect) have determined that you don't have to be vaccinated, nor do your kids, as long as they're not exposing other kids to disease. This means tht, if you want to send your kids to a public school where they might be able to infect other kids, you must have them vaccinated.
If you don't like it, you're not forced to do so at the point of a gun, near as I can figure out -- you just have to make other arrangements for your kids' education.
So what's the big deal? Your choice, right?
Quoting: Duncan Kunz
Thta is no correct. Vaccines are NOT required for government schools. Parents are often made to believe that is the case, but it's not.
As Ron Paul (medical doctor) so correctly stated, if people are so worried about getting something, they can get vaccinated. Then, they are not at risk. Only the unvaccinated would be at risk. So, if you want to be vaccinated, why would you be the least concerned about someone who isn't? They are no threat to you.
Some vaccines have harmful side effects; and people get sick and die from vaccines every year.
But vaccines also keep more people from getting more diseases and save a lot more lives than they cost.
From that point of view, vaccines are, overall, a "good thing".
Here in the United States, the powers that be (i.e., the powers we elect) have determined that you don't have to be vaccinated, nor do your kids, as long as they're not exposing other kids to disease. This means tht, if you want to send your kids to a public school where they might be able to infect other kids, you must have them vaccinated.
If you don't like it, you're not forced to do so at the point of a gun, near as I can figure out -- you just have to make other arrangements for your kids' education.
So what's the big deal? Your choice, right?
Several problems here. First of all, how does an unvaccinated child/person spread disease to those that have been vaccinated? Unless of course, you actually don't believe that said vaccinations protect anyone from disease. The unvaccinated actually have more to fear from the vaccinated, especially in the case of live-virus vaccines that can be carried and even transmitted to susceptible people shortly after administration. That is why they warn you to keep your child away from susceptible individuals after they recieve some of these vaccines- they are CONTAGIOUS. where do you think all of the shingles cases in older people is suddenly coming from? But, conveniently, they have come up with an expensive vaccine for that, too! Perfect! Create a vaccine that requires another vaccine. Way to keep the cash flow going, big pharma! Same thing is happening with the streptococcus vaccine. It is causing super-streps to mutate, and now they are trying to come up with a vaccine for that!
The second problem is that the 'choice' given isn't a fair or real choice for most people. Homeschooling is great, but many people can't do it for one reason or another. So they have to submit to unwanted medical procedures/drugging of their children just to get them an education? What next? Oh, you have a 'choice'- you just can't get an education, be employed or leave your house if you aren't vaccinated?
As for not being forced at the point of a gun, wasn't there a situation this fall in Maryland where parents of unvaccinated kids were court-ordered to show up and get the shots where police with dogs (and I would assume guns) were present?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 242935
Yes, on Maryland. Plus the state attorney who forced the parents, refused to vaccinate his own children.
I moved to Illinois a few years back with two healthy dogs. My wife took them in to Pets Mart to see the vet and get their required shots. She was sold the line of b.s. by the vet there and each got 5 injections. Within a few hours after they were home both were so weak they could hardly stand. One of them fell climbing two small steps and had to be helped up. They seemed to recover, but never regained there vigor. About a year later one of them developed cancer and had to be put down. A few months later the other had a stroke and had to be put down. I've told this to others and have heard similar stories. It's poison! Our doctors are medically ignorant and no amount of arrogance or education will change that because there education is inculcated with mind control techniques and like shrooms they're kept in the dark and fed a bunch of shit. Why do patient survival rates go up when the doctors go on strike (check NYC when that happened back in the 80's). Injections are just part of what's wrong with big regulated (do it my way or you're outta here) medicine. Zionist controlled TV shows don't help with there doctor worship propaganda (ok poopaganda), rather it just sets you up to be just another victim as the ptb desire. Unvail the monster that feeds upon us and sharpen your stakes. Remember the most suscessful sociopaths wear white coats. Dr. Mengele has many brothers. (not saying all doctors are bad-just that most have voluntered to be brain washed without knowing it and like a hypnotised subject they believe what they're told because they believe it come from an authority and quite frankly they want the money and esteem). Remember much of modern protocal was developed by I.G. Farbin for the Nutzis. Most physicians are not strong thinkers-they're too busy. Correct there work and see how rudely you are treated. Turn off the TV and read-fix yourself if you are a person of intellect not contained by small boxes.
Vaccination is BIG business and that's all...there are more diseases now with more vaccines and medical intervension and medications and who profits from it all???? Read this article...it may just show you something new.
Vaccine money incentive quotes
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"Developed by Chiron (Emeryville, CA), the hepatitis B vaccine--which racked up over $2 billion in worldwide sales last year--was licensed to Merck (Whitehouse Station, NJ), which subsequently licensed it to SmithKline Beecham (SKB, Philadelphia, PA). Biogen (Cambridge, MA) also played a role in developing the product and still receives royalties on its sales from both Merck and SKB, as does Chiron."--BJ Spalding [link to www.biospace.com]
[Feb 2008] The report predicts that due to the "promising commercial potential" of new, high-price vaccines, the pediatric and adolescent market will quadruple from approximately $4.3 billion in 2006, to over $16 billion by 2016, across the US, the EU-five including France, Germany, Italy, Spain, and the UK, and Japan.
The crucial factor for success in the pediatric market, the report notes, is the introduction of a product into national vaccination schedules. "Along with reimbursement, this virtually guarantees the rapid uptake and continuously high coverage rates in the target population," Ms Kresse states.
As an example, she cites Wyeth's Prevnar, as the first premium price vaccine launched in the US in 2000 for vaccinating infants against pneumonia and meningitis.
Since then, Prevnar has been added to the childhood vaccination schedules in the US and EU-five despite its high price of nearly $320 for the 4-dose regimen. In 2006, Global sales reached almost $2 billion, making Prevnar the first vaccine to attain blockbuster status, according to the report. By 2016, Datamonitor expects the total value of the infant market for pneumococcal vaccines to increase to $2.3 billion. Time To End Profit Driven Mandatory Vaccination Racket By Evelyn Pringle
[Nov 2006] Based on an average patient list of 5,000 people, if 70 per cent of under-twos have ALL their jabs the practice gets a £2,655 bonus. But if 90 per cent of toddlers are fully immunised the bonus rockets to £7,965. Surgeries are paid another £822 if 70 per cent of under-fives have all their jabs. If 90 per cent of under-fives do this. then the practice gets a bonus of £2,465. And if fewer than 70 per cent of children are vaccinated, then doctors get nothing. [link to www.thesun.co.uk]
"Vaccinations are now carried out for purely commercial reasons because they fetch huge profits for the pharmaceutical industry......There is no scientific evidence that vaccinations are of any benefit, but it is clear that they cause a great deal of harm."---Dr Buchwald (The Decline of Tuberculosis despite "Protective" Vaccination by Dr. Gerhard Buchwald M.D. p130, 132, 134.)
"Controlling for inflation, the cost of vaccine purchase per child climbed from $10 in 1975 to $385 in 2001. The cost of vaccine purchase in the year 2020 following recommendation of 7 additional vaccines is estimated to be $1225 per child (95% confidence interval = $891, $1559)."---Dec 2002 American Journal of Public Health
"GlaxoSmithKline Plc and Aventis Pasteur, who both claim a 24-percent share of the $6.5 billion-a-year global vaccine market, said demand was being driven by new products, including combination jabs and new adult treatments. The infant sector currently accounts for two-thirds of vaccine sales but market dynamics are changing, helped by growing demand for flu shots among the elderly and increased use of vaccines by tourists visiting tropical countries.......global vaccine sales would rise by more than a fifth to about $8 billion by 2005, underlying a long-term trend which has seen a tenfold increase in sales since 1980, while drug sales have risen only five times. ....Both GSK and Aventis expect to clock up vaccine sales of around $1.6 billion this year....Adrian Howd, biotechnology analyst at ABN AMRO, said vaccines were now one of the fastest-growing areas of healthcare, with demand for new products outweighing supply, and the total market set to top $10 billion by 2010."--Media 2002
"There are 25,000 of us in the United Kingdom, and we stick together more closely than any other profession. You may take the Law or the Church, and you will find in neither the same intense devotion to corporate interests. If one makes a mistake, the others are ready to hide it. Many coroners are medical men, and when a case occurs that is not favourable to the profession, it is more or less dexterously slurred over. By means of this trade unionism we have acquired immense power, which is yearly increasing. Law and Church will soon be accounted second and third. People cannot be born without us; they cannot die without us; and it will come to pass that they cannot be married or take a situation without us. All this tends to make the medical profession pretty unanimous on a question which is supposed to be one of its Articles of Faith.
..........And then the money we make out of it! .......Seeing how it pays, you certainly must not go to the parties paid for disinterested advice. If you want the truth on vaccination you must to those who are not making anything out of it. If doctors shot at the moon every time it was full as a preventive of measles and got a shilling for it, they would bring statistics to prove it was a most efficient practice, and that the population would be decimated if it were stopped. They are bred in the faith that vaccination is a preventive of small-pox, and go on to practise it and to live by it. Be fair, therefore, to the doctors, and ask yourselves whether you would not believe as they do, and act as they do, if your training and interest coincided with theirs. We believe our teachers. I never heard of anti-vaccinators except as fools and fanatics, whose existence was marvellous. The only knowledge of vaccination I had was from a medical lecture explaining the nature of the process and the usual effects that follow it."---Dr Allinson 1883 [link to www.whale.to]
"In calendar year 1999, the US federal government purchased approximately $600,000,000.00 worth of vaccine. This amount has generally represented one-half of the monetary outlay of vaccine in the U.S. Therefore, the total amount spent on childhood vaccines is approximately $1,200,000,000.00 annually in the U.S."--CDC (2000)
"Targeting patients for pneumococcal vaccination would mean immunising 5% and would bring in around £3,000."--Pulse article
"As far as I’m concerned, tetanus is not an infectious disease characterised by muscle spasm but a bottomless pit of item-of-service cash."--Pulse letter
"This practice could generate up to £3,700 from an effective annual influenza vaccination campaign if it immunised 10% of the practice."--Pulse article
Chicago: "In addition, the Department provides local health departments and other public health providers with incentive payments for completing the vaccine series for 2-year-olds. The Department pays $10 for each child fully immunized. If the local health department or public clinics achieves full coverage for 90 percent of the children they serve, the per-child payment is boosted to $15. " "Since 1994, the Department has paid $5.3 million in incentives, including an estimated $1.6 million since July 1996." [link to www.idph.state.il.us]
"One vaccine against smallpox costs about 600DM and the proclaimed target is to vaccinate 3 billion people...Vaccination is a huge business for the pharmaceutical industry....All the other forms of hepatitis we didn’t vaccinate against were in decline. But hepatitis B stayed at the same level, even after the introduction of the vaccine. It was then believed in Germany that we made a mistake, it’s not being passed through the blood but by sexual contact. We expected the response to be to vaccinate everyone where the event of sexual intercourse would be a factor... However, the response was to vaccinate everyone. And this is where you can see that it all revolves around money."--Dr Buchwald MD
"TO ENCOURAGE HIGH VACCINATION RATES, FEDERAL OFFICIALS GIVE GRANTS and other financial incentives to state health and education agencies, or withhold them. In 1993, the Clinton administration launched an “Immunization Initiative,” and Congress authorized more than $400 million for states that enforced mandatory vaccination by using social security numbers to track children from birth. Simultaneously, a grant program rewards state health departments with up to $100 for each fully vaccinated child.."----Barbara Loe Fisher
“GSK’s Vaccines business is also contributing to both the short and long term prospects of the company through a strong pipeline of new products. In the short-term, growth will be boosted by the launch this year of Infanrix PeNta in the US, as well as Twinrix for adults, the first and only vaccine that protects against hepatitis A and B. GSK has a wealth of late stage development products: for example, a pediatric combination vaccine against meningitis A and C, set to be launched into a market with a $500 million potential; as well as a second generation vaccine against S. pneumoniae and a vaccine against rotavirus, each directed at a $1 billion market. Exciting long-term opportunities include the search for vaccines for global challenges such as HIV and malaria, and the creation of a new generation of therapeutic vaccines."--SOURCE: GlaxoSmithKline plc
"What have GPs been saying about the new (meningitis) vaccine? They mostly seem to be worried that the new vaccine is going to be introduced without the Department of Health’s paying them any extra money for giving it. Certainly, there have been many more pages devoted to the financial implications to GPs than there have to the safety profile to recipients."--Dr Jayne Donegan
"If you want the truth on vaccination you must go to those who are not making anything out of it. If doctors shot at the moon every time it was full as a preventive of measles and got a shilling for it, they would bring statistics to prove it was a most efficient practice, and that the population would be decimated if it were stopped."---Dr Allinson
"Vaccination is expensive and represents a cost of one billion dollars annually. It therefore benefits the industry; most notably, the multinational manufacturers. One sells the vaccines. The other then provides the arsenal of medications to respond to the numerous complications that follow. Their profits increase while our expenses go through the roof."---Lanctot, M.D.
"We suspect financial ties between vaccine manufacturers and medical groups such as the American Medical Association and American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) which endorse the (hep B) vaccine," says Dr. Orient, pointing to a substantial donation to AAP from Merck & Co. "And the federal government pays the state a bonus up to $100 for every "fully" vaccinated child. What’s their motive -- money or medicine?"---Jane Orient M.D.
"The pharmaceutical business is so attractive that it's a wonder we don't hear its praises sung more often. Airplanes should circle the planet dropping leaflets: "Forget about investing in Coca-Cola (NYSE: KO). Invest in leading pharmaceutical companies." The reasons for ebullience are many. Coca-Cola is often heralded as a repeat-purchase business. True, it is, but only as long as people want to keep drinking Coke. Pharmaceuticals are better than that. The chronic nature of many diseases means that a majority of medications are anything but a one-time sale. When a patient is placed on medication, it's often a prescription taken for several years, even lifelong. Remember "take your medicine"? Repeat business leads to reliable earnings at pharmaceutical companies, because each new patient represents an annuity revenue stream. Five Reasons to Look at Pharmaceutical Stocks: Pharmaceutical companies offer unique opportunities for investors. As the Baby Boomers age, more people must regularly buy high-margin prescription drugs. New biotechnologies move more and better drug treatments through afaster FDA approval process. And, managed care relies on medicines to savemoney on health care costs. This industry demands an investor's attention."--The Motley Fool [link to www.fool.com]
"Selling vaccines is extremely profitable and the process of mandating vaccines is fraught with conflicts of interest between vaccine manufacturers, the ACIP and the American Academy of Pediatrics. The business model of having the government mandate everyone must buy your product is a monopolist’s delight ."---Michale Belkin
MICHAEL BELKIN'S WRITTEN TESTIMONY TO CONGRESS
"Meanwhile, manufacturers' profits have risen as the average cost to fully immunize a child at a private physician's office has climbed 243% since 1986, from $107 to $367. The most prominent beneficiaries have been the two producers who dominate the U.S. market for DPT and polio vaccines, Connaught Laboratories ($300 million in U.S. sales last year) and Wyeth-Lederle Vaccines & Pediatrics ($350 million). U.S. revenues for both companies have increased 300% since 1986, estimates David Molowa, international pharmaceutical analyst at the Wall Street investment firm Bear Stearns."--Money Magazine [link to www.geocities.com]
News (Daily Express sept 13, 1999) Greedy GP's vaccine ploy. Doctors axing patients to profit over controversial jab, says Royal Society of Medicine report (author Dr Neena Buntwal).
"The difficulties parents face in getting compensation contrasts with the treatment of doctors. They get £1,800 if 90% of the children under two are vaccinated. If only 70%, they get £600. Below this they get no bonus. The Fletchers believe these payments threaten the objectivity of medical decisions."--Jani Allen [link to www.gn.apc.org]
Annual and long-term incentive plans have grown increasingly common in the health care industry. There are a number of reasons why Boards of hospitals and health care systems decide to provide incentive pay for executives and directors. The most common are: "pediatric immunization rates" [link to www.healthcarecomp.com]
Hillman, A. L., K. Ripley, N. Goldfarb, J. Weiner, I. Nuamah and E. Lusk.
"The use of physician financial incentives and feedback to improve pediatric preventive care in Medicaid managed care." Pediatrics. 104(4 Pt 1): 931-5. 1999.
Kouides, R. W., B. Lewis, N. M. Bennett, K. M. Bell, W. H. Barker, E. R.
Black, J. D. Cappuccio, R. F. Raubertas and F. M. LaForce. "A performance-based incentive program for influenza immunization in the elderly." American Journal of Preventive Medicine. 9(4): 250-254. 1993.
"Hillman (1996) analyzed the effect of audit and feedback alone, and audit and feedback combined with financial incentives on provider compliance with pediatric preventive care guidelines, including immunizations. The settings were 53 primary care practice sites in one city, each site having at least 25 pediatric patients. " [link to www.ambpeds.org]
Morrow R., Gooding A., and Clark C. Improving physicians' preventive health care behavior through peer review and financial incentives. Archives of Family Medicine 1995;4 (2): 165-169. [link to www.ambpeds.org]
Vaccination is BIG business and that's all...there are more diseases now with more vaccines and medical intervension and medications and who profits from it all???? Read this article...it may just show you something new.
Vaccine money incentive quotes
Money incentive
Medical control ploys Vaccine quotes
"Developed by Chiron
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 421748
Thanks! That is exactly the kind of information I was looking for.
During the early 1990s, the World Health Organization (WHO) had been overseeing massive vaccination campaigns against tetanus in a number of countries, among them Nicaragua, Mexico, and the Philippines. In October 1994, HLI received a communication from its Mexican affiliate, the Comite' Pro Vida de Mexico, regarding that country's anti-tetanus campaign. Suspicious of the campaign protocols, the Comite' obtained several vials of the vaccine and had them analyzed by chemists. Some of the vials were found to contain human chorionic gonadotrophin (hCG), a naturally occurring hormone essential for maintaining a pregnancy.
hCG and Anti-hCG Antibodies
In nature the hCG hormone alerts the woman's body that she is pregnant and causes the release of other hormones to prepare the uterine lining for the implantation of the fertilized egg. The rapid rise in hCG levels after conception makes it an excellent marker for confirmation of pregnancy: when a woman takes a pregnancy test she is not tested for the pregnancy itself, but for the elevated presence of hCG.
However, when introduced into the body coupled with a tetanus toxoid carrier, antibodies will be formed not only against tetanus but also against hCG. In this case the body fails to recognize hCG as a friend and will produce anti-hCG antibodies. The antibodies will attack subsequent pregnancies by killing the hCG which naturally sustains a pregnancy; when a woman has sufficient anti-hCG antibodies in her system, she is rendered incapable of maintaining a pregnancy.(1)
HLI reported the sketchy facts regarding the Mexican tetanus vaccines to its World Council members and affiliates in more than 60 countries.(2) Soon additional reports of vaccines laced with hCG hormones began to drift in from the Philippines, where more than 3.4 million women were recently vaccinated. Similar reports came from Nicaragua, which had conducted its own vaccination campaign in 1993.
The Known Facts
Here are the known facts concerning the tetanus vaccination campaigns in Mexico and the Philippines:
* Only women are vaccinated, and only the women between the ages of 15 and 45. (In Nicaragua the age range was 12-49.) But aren't men at least as likely as young women to come into contact with tetanus? And what of the children? Why are they excluded?
* Human chorionic gonadotrophin (hCG) hormone has been found in the vaccines. It does not belong there -- in the parlance of the O.J. Simpson murder trial, the vaccine has been "contaminated."
* The vaccination protocols call for multiple injections -- three within three months and a total of five altogether. But, since tetanus vaccinations provide protection for ten years or more, why are multiple inoculations called for?(3)
* WHO has been actively involved for more than 20 years in the development of an anti-fertility vaccine utilizing hCG tied to tetanus toxoid as a carrier -- the exact same coupling as has been found in the Mexican-Philippine-Nicaragua vaccines.(4)
The Anti-Fertility Gang
Allied with the WHO in the development of an anti-fertility vaccine (AFV) using hCG with tetanus and other carriers have been UNFPA, the UN Development Programme (UNDP), the World Bank, the Population Council, the Rockefeller Foundation, the All India Institute of Medical Sciences, and a number of universities, including Uppsala, Helsinki, and Ohio State.(5) The U.S. National Institute of Child Health and Human Development (part of NIH) was the supplier of the hCG hormone in some of the AFV experiments.(6)
The WHO begain its "Special Programme" in human reproduction in 1972, and by 1993 had spent more than $356 million on "reproductive health" research.(7) It is this "Programme" which has pioneered the development of the abortificant vaccine. Over $90 million of this Programme's funds were contributed by Sweden; Great Britain donated more than $52 million, while Norway, Denmark and Germany kicked in for $41 million , $27 million, and $12 million, respectively. The U.S., thanks to the cut-off of such funding during the Reagan-Bush administrations, has contributed "only" $5.7 million, including a new payment in 1993 by the Clinton administration of $2.5 million. Other major contibutors to the WHO Programme include UNFPA, $61 million; the World Bank, $15.5 million; the Rockefeller Foundation, $2.5 million; the Ford Foundation, over $1 million; and the IDRC (International Research and Development Centre of Canada), $716.5 thousand.
WHO and Philippine Health Department Excuses
When the first reports surfaced in the Philippines of tetanus toxoid vaccine being laced with hCG hormones, the WHO and the Philippine Department of Health (DOH) immediately denied that the vaccine contained hCG. Confronted with the results of laboratory tests which detected its presence in three of the four vials of tetanus toxoid examined, the WHO and DOH scoffed at the evidence coming from "right-to-life and Catholic" sources. Four new vials of the tetanus vaccine were submitted by DOH to St. Luke's (Lutheran) Medical Center in Manila -- and all four vials tested positive for hCG!
From outright denial the stories now shifted to the allegedly "insignificant" quantity of the hCG present; the volume of hCG present is insufficient to produce anti-hCG antibodies.
But new tests designed to detect the presence of hCG antibodies in the blood sera of women vaccinated with the tetauns toxoid vaccine were undertaken by Philippine pro-life and Catholic groups. Of thirty women tested subsequent to receiving tetanus toxoid vaccine, twenty-six tested positive for high levels of anti-hCG! If there were no hCG in the vaccine, or if it were present in only "insignificant" quantities, why were the vaccinated women found to be harboring anti-hCG antibodies? The WHO and the DOH had no answers.
New arguments surfaced: hCG's apparent presence in the vaccine was due to "false positives" resulting from the particular substances mixed in the vaccine or in the chemicals testing for hCG. And even if hCG was really there, its presence derived from the manufacturing process.
But the finding of hCG antibodies in the blood sera of vaccinated women obviated the need to get bogged down in such debates. It was no longer necessary to argue about what may or may not have been the cause of the hCG presence, when one now had the effect of the hCG. There is no known way for the vaccinated women to have hCG antibodies in their blood unless hCG had been artificially introduced into their bodies!
Allied with the WHO in the development of an anti-fertility vaccine (AFV) using hCG with tetanus and other carriers have been UNFPA, the UN Development Programme (UNDP), the World Bank, the Population Council, the Rockefeller Foundation, the All India Institute of Medical Sciences, and a number of universities, including Uppsala, Helsinki, and Ohio State.(5) The U.S. National Institute of Child Health and Human Development (part of NIH) was the supplier of the hCG hormone in some of the AFV experiments.(6)
The WHO begain its "Special Programme" in human reproduction in 1972, and by 1993 had spent more than $356 million on "reproductive health" research.(7) It is this "Programme" which has pioneered the development of the abortificant vaccine. Over $90 million of this Programme's funds were contributed by Sweden; Great Britain donated more than $52 million, while Norway, Denmark and Germany kicked in for $41 million , $27 million, and $12 million, respectively. The U.S., thanks to the cut-off of such funding during the Reagan-Bush administrations, has contributed "only" $5.7 million, including a new payment in 1993 by the Clinton administration of $2.5 million. Other major contibutors to the WHO Programme include UNFPA, $61 million; the World Bank, $15.5 million; the Rockefeller Foundation, $2.5 million; the Ford Foundation, over $1 million; and the IDRC (International Research and Development Centre of Canada), $716.5 thousand.
Diphteria? I got that at age 1, right after getting vaccinated AGAINST Polio.
HERE WE GO AGAIN, CHALK AND CHEESE. DOES NOBODY LEARN OR THINK.
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Water borne diseases are not viral. Cholera, typhus, dysentary are water borne diseases. They are BACTERIAL. Some are parasytic. Improved sanitation DOES eliminate and/or control these diseases.
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ALL THE CLAIMS AND 95% OF THE HISTORY OF VACCINATION RELATES TO BACTERIAL INFECTIONS AND IN PARTICULAR WATER BORN ONES. VACCINES FOR VIRUSES WERE/ARE THE HOLY GRAIL.
THOSE RECENTLY INTRODUCED DONT WORK (FLU) AND MANY MORE ARE PURE MYTH, ONLY MAKING MONEY. OVER 900 FLU VIRUS STRAINS, SO EVEN IF A VACCINE DID WORK, IT WOULD BE PURE LUCK THAT YOU GOT THE RIGHT ONE. WHOOO HOLD ON A MINUTE, BACK TO CHANCE AGAIN.
GL
Vaccines do work. When was the last time you saw a case of small pox? Hmmmm?
How about polio? When was teh last time you saw a case of polio? Hmmm?
Diptheria? (which is bacterial) When was the last time you saw a case of Diptheria? Why don't you ask the russians what happened when they stopped vaccinating?
see the wikipedia quote below.
Diphtheria is a serious disease, with fatality rates between 5% and 10%. In children under 5 years and adults over 40 years, the fatality rate may be as much as 20%.[3] Outbreaks, though very rare, still occur worldwide, even in developed nations. After the breakup of the former Soviet Union in the late 1980s, vaccination rates in its constituent countries fell so low that there was an explosion of diphtheria cases. In 1991 there were 2,000 cases of diphtheria in the USSR. By 1998, according to Red Cross estimates, there were as many as 200,000 cases in the Commonwealth of Independent States, with 5,000 deaths. This was so great an increase that diphtheria was cited in the Guinness Book of World Records as "most resurgent disease".
No one is saying they don't work. Nuclear war works too. But at what cost?
Look into ionic foot baths and "kinoki" foot pads for systemic detoxification. Do they work? All that I can say is they appear to though like anything they don't live up to the hype (damed lying salesmen). Because I'm fairly educated in the field of electronics I was able to build my own for just a few dollars. I wouldn't waste thousands on one when the same results can be had for $100. It's all about insight and education. Look into them if you want to reduce the heavy metal concentrations within your body and perhaps neutralize some of your pathogenic load and stay healthy for a few years longer than the statistical mean population. Remember city water for most of us is an oral dose of fluoride. Fluoride has been shown to eat holes in mouse brain tissue and is the primary ingrediant in rat poisons. Fluoride also is used to passify populations (has no proven dental application) and is used in animal tranquilizers (sodium fluoride) and antidepressants (Prozac is refined fluoride-think it's really that good for you?). 5 stage water filters reportedly significantly reduce fluoride concentrations in drinking water. Reverting back to the discussion of ionic foot baths most of the color seen is no doubt from electrolisis, yet significant bio-residue (oilly) can be seen in the water. The time to try it is before you get sick. You may be able to eliminate pestacides as well and increase your alkalinity thus reducing your chances for cancer and many other debilitating illnesses and afflictions. Ionic foot baths are basicly regulated power supplies (ususally 12 volts DC @ 2-5 Amps acting upon stainless steel electrodes producing mostly negative ions within water with a small amount of salt to increase current values as the array (stainless steel ion emitter) undergoes electrolysis). Rember if you stay healthy you might get back some of what you put into this corrupt system. If you get sick and die you get robed of your accumulated wealth and don't live long enough to collect your retirement/medicare/social security etc. It's a plot against you-facts not paranoia. Eat healthy, breath healthy, drink healthy and stay away from the doctors-most are salesmen for pharma. Clean out your arteries with EDTA and garlic and stay away from sugar unless you look forwards to diabetes and blocked arteries. You must ask yourself what kind of idiot scum are running the show.
Vaccination is BIG business and that's all...there are more diseases now with more vaccines and medical intervension and medications and who profits from it all???? Read this article...it may just show you something new.
Vaccine money incentive quotes
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Thanks! That is exactly the kind of information I was looking for.
You da man (or woman)!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 438798
Yeah, I am thankful to the Lord Jesus Christ who is freeing me from all this nasty satanic shit...and pardon the french but I call it as I see it and this vaccine medical industry stuff is a huge pile of steaming stinky SHIT, excrement...toxic...
anyway, I am very happy to share everything I have found. My child was identified with a 'genetic' disorder that I suspect may be from either genetic mutation from my generation or my parents, or from the newborn Vitamin K shot. We were just told by the genetic people that they can't identify our mutated genes, eventhough they say we have a 25% chance of another genetic mutation occurance, but it's too hard to find the mutation...bull poop....I say that if they really could identifiy it as genetic, then it would show up in our DNA as well (oh and now they are saying they could do a DNA test on her but they're not certain they'd be looking at the right gene so it may come back as negative but still be genetic mutation.
A genetic mutation is by definition:
genetic mutation - (genetics) any event that changes genetic structure; any alteration in the inherited nucleic acid sequence of the genotype of an organism
so think about what vaccines do with all the toxins I posted on page 2 and the job of a virus is to replicate it's DNA in its host (think about all the acknowledged monkey viruses that they say they can't possibly screen out, even today)...well, I know how to add...
there it is...I am passionately researching all this and so many people are so mind controlled that they can't handle even hearing the ingredients...but I am glad when someone likes to see truth. Awesome!
This is a little off topic but there is a movie, "Mozart and the Whale". It is about an aspergers syndrome group and how they survive in this world, it really is a very good movie.
Sharry Edwards has been working with sound therapy for 30 years and has had experience with children and vaccination issues. She does not heal, she says the sounds allow the body to heal itself. I've taken her class and the information she provides is so interesting yet expensive.
She has studied alot of information about vaccinations and has trained alot of people on this research. Good luck to you and your child. Thanks for the information you are providing to help other parents decide for themselves. It is hard realizing that we just made a very bad choice for our families.
Quoting: Queen
Thanks Queen!
MY "child" is a fully grown man by now. He has continual effects from these vaccines, but is pretty much coping like the rest of us do. I was unaware of Ms. Edwards' research. Ironically, (and/or perhaps instinctively) it was always music and light touch that seemed to calm my little one down.
And since I don't want to be misunderstood, (but not directed at anyone personally) I'm happy to share my personal experience when asked. I am NOT a proponent of just "doing nothing" with regards to the individual choice a parent should make regarding immunizing or not, their child(ren). GREAT PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY needs to be accounted for, with several layers of back-up plans IF YOU MAKE THIS CHOICE! I'm also a great proponent of keeping your child home from school/day care if he or she is even REMOTELY ill!....and many families don't feel they can do that for a number of very valid reasons.
I know new "young moms" who just can't be bothered with some of the necessary care it takes to raise a child and I'm astounded at this. I'm not advocating a lack of responsibility in the name of freedom to choose what is best for your child and your family. (just sayin :-) )
Now how do you reverse the effects of these vaccinations?
Does anybody know? Any herbal remedies? Homeopathic?
Eat organic. It is lack of nutrients and chemicals in processed food that trigger all these new diseases.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 443825
Reversing any effects of any vaccination depends entirely upon which vaccine and which symptom:
If you are having issues with mercury poisoning from vaccinations, for example, there are several very simple and inexpensive ways to remove these heavy metals from your system. Do a google search about it.
Some of these immunizations have what I would very non-professionally refer to as "left over" effects. For example, in the '60's it was insisted upon that all children got "shots" for Measles, mumps, and rubella. Interesting thing is (studies showed later) that most girls ended up "needing" another round of this sometime between the ages of 12 & 15, "coincidentally" around the same time they began their menstrual cycles. Now this would indicate that SOMETHING about a young girl's body "flushes" this residual garbage out, as the blood "recycles" (if you will). Unfortunately, our young boys don't have such an opportunity and again "coincidentally", have we noticed an amazing increase in things like prostate cancer and erectile dysfunction? sorta makes one go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. We also have some pretty big disease processes happening like, (oh what's that new virus they want to - ahem - immunize all of the young girls for now???? HPV???? Where the bloody hell did IT come from????)
My point is....c'mon! Wake up! Hell...9 out of 10 people don't even realize that the Measles is an upper respiratory infection....NOT A RASH! It's amazing the dots that simply connect when one starts searching for truth......
I would also like to point out that the only way to know if you are protected against a disease that you have been vaccinated against is to have an antibody titer done. Now why do you suppose that they force everyone to get shots, but never actually follow up to see that anyone is protected? Hmmm?
My daughter suffered neurological problems from vaccines and we found a doctor that works with kids like this. He did titers for every vaccinated disease. what we found was shocking- some of her antibodies were dangerously high (meaning her body was acting as though is was actively infected- 7 years after the vaccine!) and to several other illnesses that she had been fully vaccinated against, including polio, she had NO protection at all. How many other people are walking around just like her thinking they are protected because they got vaccines, but aren't? Extrapolate that out into the whole population and you see that vaccines are really just hoax and Russian Roulette. I also have a friend who is a nurse that was forced to go through three rounds of the Hepatitis series because she never produced antibodies to it. They gave up after the third round. Several years later she got lymphoma. Coincidence? I think not.
As a family, we have noticed that the longer we go without getting vaccines, the healthier we all seem to be getting. Once we stopped getting the flu vaccine every year that they convinced us we needed because of my daughter's ill health (from the vaccines we later learned), lo and behold most of our health problems started to go away and my daughter started to steadily improve!
Grey, I LOVE AJ's passion and outrage. It should be no other way!
In matters of health, I would defer to you. You are right, I said "I think". I'm not a researcher (as in reading voluminous material on this subject). I was mainly basing that opinion on rabies which is, in fact, extremely unusual in US pet populations. That said, there could be other reasons for it. I actually asked my vet about a rabies vaccine for myself because I've rescued many critters, wild and domestic. He, the other docs and all of the staff are vaccinated. Rather than re-vaccinate every few years, they check something called "titors", which shows if they are still immune. In most cases, they are. If they are immune, wouldn't that be due to the vaccine?
I'll admit, this is a confusing topic, for me. Of course I do not trust public "health", big pharma, or the NWO. I KNOW they are out to kill us. It's just that, sometimes, I think allopathy has done some good (mainly in trauma and emergency). It's a mixed bad, I would say.
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