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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 385176
6/1/2008 4:10 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
I would also like to point out that the only way to know if you are protected against a disease that you have been vaccinated against is to have an antibody titer done. Now why do you suppose that they force everyone to get shots, but never actually follow up to see that anyone is protected? Hmmm?
My daughter suffered neurological problems from vaccines and we found a doctor that works with kids like this. He did titers for every vaccinated disease. what we found was shocking- some of her antibodies were dangerously high (meaning her body was acting as though is was actively infected- 7 years after the vaccine!) and to several other illnesses that she had been fully vaccinated against, including polio, she had NO protection at all. How many other people are walking around just like her thinking they are protected because they got vaccines, but aren't? Extrapolate that out into the whole population and you see that vaccines are really just hoax and Russian Roulette. I also have a friend who is a nurse that was forced to go through three rounds of the Hepatitis series because she never produced antibodies to it. They gave up after the third round. Several years later she got lymphoma. Coincidence? I think not.
As a family, we have noticed that the longer we go without getting vaccines, the healthier we all seem to be getting. Once we stopped getting the flu vaccine every year that they convinced us we needed because of my daughter's ill health (from the vaccines we later learned), lo and behold most of our health problems started to go away and my daughter started to steadily improve! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 242935
"Titers" - thank you. It's my post that mentioned my vet getting these done. I asked if the dogs could have them. No, was the answer. I'm going to look further into that. |
| Dr Dre
User ID: 443988
6/1/2008 7:02 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
Add in the 4lbs. of pestacides, the mercury fillings, the hidden sources of lead, the irradiated food, the phony terror wars, msg, nutritionally "dead" food raised on npk without minerals, and suppression of cures and technology which could make life easier and more affordable-no there's no war on us! Hell! There just dumb stupid animals! You could add another thousand items to the list and not half fill it with what's going on against humanity, ie poor schooling, zionist controlled media expousing reverse moral principles, open boarders durring a terror alert, loss of freedoms etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum. No, I dodn't see anything going on-cause nobody else does either. Time to sniff some lead, eat a Chinese meal and polish my fillings and wait and see if my stimulous check makes it. Quoting: D 432031
All you said and still the human life span in the Usa has doubled. If you lived back in the good O'le days you'd probably be dead now,(your current attained age)! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 200257
6/1/2008 8:05 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 442978
6/1/2008 8:25 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
Add in the 4lbs. of pestacides, the mercury fillings, the hidden sources of lead, the irradiated food, the phony terror wars, msg, nutritionally "dead" food raised on npk without minerals, and suppression of cures and technology which could make life easier and more affordable-no there's no war on us! Hell! There just dumb stupid animals! You could add another thousand items to the list and not half fill it with what's going on against humanity, ie poor schooling, zionist controlled media expousing reverse moral principles, open boarders durring a terror alert, loss of freedoms etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum. No, I dodn't see anything going on-cause nobody else does either. Time to sniff some lead, eat a Chinese meal and polish my fillings and wait and see if my stimulous check makes it.
All you said and still the human life span in the Usa has doubled. If you lived back in the good O'le days you'd probably be dead now,(your current attained age)! Quoting: Dr Dre 443988
I don't believe that has a thing to do with vaccines. I believe it's do to comfort and a doctor that can set a bone or do surgery. People lose their will to live if they can't walk or provide for their families. There are many more conveniences now than 100 yrs. ago. Hmmmm, I think I'll keep on living. I know that death is a personal choice. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 200257
6/1/2008 8:32 PM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 440306
6/1/2008 9:22 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
Add in the 4lbs. of pestacides, the mercury fillings, the hidden sources of lead, the irradiated food, the phony terror wars, msg, nutritionally "dead" food raised on npk without minerals, and suppression of cures and technology which could make life easier and more affordable-no there's no war on us! Hell! There just dumb stupid animals! You could add another thousand items to the list and not half fill it with what's going on against humanity, ie poor schooling, zionist controlled media expousing reverse moral principles, open boarders durring a terror alert, loss of freedoms etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum. No, I dodn't see anything going on-cause nobody else does either. Time to sniff some lead, eat a Chinese meal and polish my fillings and wait and see if my stimulous check makes it.
All you said and still the human life span in the Usa has doubled. If you lived back in the good O'le days you'd probably be dead now,(your current attained age)! Quoting: Dr Dre 443988
Which has very little if anything to do with vaccines, as stated by Vital Statistics of the United States, epidemiologists, The Journal of Infection Control, The Lancet and The Journal of Pediatrics:
"...The largest historical decrease in morbidity and mortality caused by infectious disease was experienced not with the modern antibiotic and vaccine era, but after the introduction of clean water and effective sewer systems."3
Why Vaccines Don't Work as Advertised
In 1949, the DTP vaccine was licensed to prevent diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis (whooping cough) issuing forth the modern use of vaccines in the prevention of childhood illnesses. Polio immunization was later introduced to prevent that dread disease. In 1963, the measles vaccine was licensed and was combined with mumps and rubella toxoids to create the MMR vaccine.
In more recent times the hepatitis B and chickenpox vaccines have been developed and incorporated into our health care system. Now a child can expect to receive up to 33 vaccines during his or her childhood with more vaccines on the horizon, such as herpes zoster (shingles), West Nile virus, influenza, pneumococcal, HIV and many more...
One of the chief concepts that vaccine proponents tell us, and that we generally believe in modern society, is that the use of vaccines is responsible for the virtual elimination of many childhood scourges that used to ravage the world. We are told, and assume, that in the 1800s and early in the 1900s many diseases killed a large number of people and that vaccines were invented and stopped these diseases from being a threat. But is this in fact the case?
On the face of it, we cannot help but assume that vaccines have played a key role in improving all of our lives. But looking carefully at the evidence over a longer period of time reveals a different picture of disease evolution and the role vaccines have played.
A review of "Childhood's Deadly Scourge" states:
"During the last two decades of the 19th century diphtheria was the leading cause of death of toddlers in the industrialized world, in some cities killing more than a thousand in a single year. In contrast, since 1980 fewer than 100 cases have been reported in the entire United States. Although diphtheria is hardly the only infectious disease to have thus faded, its story is unique because the early period of its decline can be directly linked to advances in bacteriologic knowledge and practice. Between 1880 and 1930 health authorities in New York City were responsible for much of the practical innovation in the control of diphtheria, as well as a good share of scientific progress."1
The Vital Statistics of the United States contains compiled statistics for a wide variety of information since early in the 1900s. Among those are death rates from all diseases, including infectious diseases. An introductory statement from the 1937 statistics indicates that death rates from infectious diseases declined greatly in the early part of the century. These declines occurred well before the advent of vaccines to treat these conditions.
"The trend in death rates for specific causes, over the past 20 or 30 years, may be characterized by two general statements. In the first place, there has been a great reduction in the death rates for infectious and preventable diseases; in the second place, there has been an increase in the rates for certain diseases characteristic of older ages. Greatest proportional rate decreases have taken place for such diseases as typhoid and parathyroid fever, which has declined from a rate of 23.5 in 1910 to 2.1 in 1937; and diphtheria, which declined from a rate of 21.4 in 1910 to 2.0 in 1937. ... The rate reductions for infectious and preventable diseases can be largely attributed to the development of modern public-health practice."2
From these figures, we can see that death rates from typhoid decreased by 91 percent from 1910 to 1937 and death rates from diphtheria declined by 90.5 percent during the same time period. The decrease in diphtheria occurred well before the use of vaccination.
An even more recent editorial statement from the Journal of Pediatrics states that proper sanitation was largely responsible for the early large declines in infectious diseases.
"...The largest historical decrease in morbidity and mortality caused by infectious disease was experienced not with the modern antibiotic and vaccine era, but after the introduction of clean water and effective sewer systems."3
Again, in a 2001 paper in the Journal of Infection Control:
"The conquest of infectious disease and the health revolution it initiated is arguably one of the greatest achievements of Western civilization. Yet the phenomenon is largely unknown and rarely taught, even in history courses...
However, except for the smallpox vaccination, which was introduced in 1798 and made compulsory in England in 1853, the overall contribution of medical innovations to the health revolution of the 1800s is difficult to validate.
Diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis vaccine arrived on the scene only after disease mortality rates already had been reduced significantly; measles, rubella, and polio vaccines did not become available until the middle of the 20th century, when most infant deaths were the result of other causes. The same holds true for sulfa drugs and antibiotics. Their contribution is unequivocal, but they did not affect mortality rates until the 1940s."4
Another paper published in the medical journal The Lancet in 1977 by the Department of Community Medicine in the United Kingdom also indicates that vaccines were not responsible for the decline in disease rates in that country.
"There was a continuous decline [whooping cough deaths], equal in each sex, from 1937 onward. Vaccination, beginning on small scale in some places around 1948 and on a national scale in 1957, did not affect the rate of decline if it be assumed that one attack usually confers immunity, as in most major communicable diseases of childhood. ... The steady decline of whooping cough between 1930 and 1957 is predictive of a linear exponential decay characteristic of a general and progressive lessening in the volume and spread of infection among the susceptible population. With this pattern well established before 1957, there is no evidence that vaccination played a major role in the decline in incidence and mortality in the trend of events."5
...Thomas McKeown, professor of social medicine in the University of Birmingham Medical School between 1950 and 1978, is still regarded as a major social philosopher of medicine, and is known for his important works in epidemiology and the practice and purpose of medicine. His conclusion was also that diseases were declining well before medical interventions such as vaccinations came into standard use.
"The distinguished epidemiologist Thomas McKeown (1912-1988) maintained that reductions in deaths associated with infectious diseases (air, water, and food-borne diseases) cannot have been brought about by medical advances, since such diseases were declining long before effective means were available to combat them."6
Another author shows that disease and mortality was falling before the advent of vaccines or drug therapies:
"...In 1869 there were 716 deaths from typhus in London; by 1885 this had been reduced to 28; and at the beginning of the 20th century there was none. Similar declines could be given for other infectious diseases.
Tuberculosis began a remarkable disappearing act. Killing perhaps 500 out of every 100,000 Europeans in 1845, consumption slowly but continuously sank to 50 per 100,000 by 1950. Curative medicine played little part in that transition. The disappearance began before Koch discovered the tubercle bacillus.
By the time antibiotics entered the picture, TB in cities such as New York had fallen to eleventh place in the death lists. And the mortality graphs for most of Europe's fatal crowd diseases all dived before antibiotics had been marketed. Whooping cough killed 1400 children out of every million in 1850, but one hundred years later whooping deaths were less than 10 per million.
Scarlet fever behaved in the same way. Measles, typhus, pneumonia, dysentery and polio all share similar histories. Their retreat had a dramatic impact on the European population. By 1900 civilization had lost its biological population check: infectious disease.
After centuries of hostile encounters, humans and microbes found a new adjustment with little interference from drugs or vaccines. In some cases the microbe became less virulent (measles and diphtheria) or the human host more resistant (tuberculosis)."7
In the view of this, how can the statements made by the CDC on how "thanks to vaccines" diseases are a thing of the past be correct?
Back in 1924 Mark Twain was quoted as saying, "There are three kinds of lies — lies, damned lies, and statistics." When Mark Twain made this statement, his point was that numbers could be manipulated by the unscrupulous to misrepresent facts, to justify a particular bias, or fulfill a particular agenda.
It is an unhappy fact of modern life that anyone with an idea can support that idea with statistics. The less the public knows about the source of the statistics, the more possible it is to have misinformation posing as scientific results.
Simple statements such as "in the 1920s, over 10,000 people a year died from diphtheria," although accurate are very misleading. Providing a piece of historical fact without any real context and mixing it with statements on how vaccines helped cure these diseases leads the reader to erroneously conclude that vaccines were instrumental in the massive declines of deaths from these diseases.
The CDC's statements on vaccines only provide a few facts and then draw a conclusion on this limited information. To understand the role of vaccines, we must use the raw information and analyze it over a long period of time.
Please be sure and go to the site below and view all the graphs that support the evidence cited above.
[link to www.HealthSentinel.com]
References
[1] Morman, E.T., "Childhood's Deadly Scourge: The Campaign to Control Diphtheria in New York City, 1880-1930", The Journal of the American Medical Association, April 12, 2000 Vol. 283, p. 1889
[2] Vital Statistics of the United States 1937 Part I, U.S. Department of the Census, 1939, p. 11
[3] "Zinc, diarrhea, and pneumonia (editorial)", The Journal of Pediatrics, December 1999, Vol. 135, No. 6, p. 663
[4] Greene, Velvl W., PhD, MPH, "Personal hygiene and life expectancy improvements since 1850: Historic and epidemiologic associations", American Journal of Infection Control (AJIC), August 2001, Vol. 29, No. 4, pp. 203-206
[5] Steward, Gordon T., "Vaccination Against Whooping-Cough Efficacy Versus Risks", The Lancet, January 29, 1977, pp. 234-237
[6] Porter, Roy, "The Greatest Benefit to Mankind", Harper Collins Publishers, 1997, p. 426
[7] Porter, Roy, "The Greatest Benefit to Mankind", Harper Collins Publishers, 1997, p. 427 |
| D
User ID: 432031
6/1/2008 9:40 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
Dr. Dre, perhaps we'd both be dead. No doubt plumbing and sanitation have been of enormous benifit. Yes, a lot of what has come from medicine has been of great benefit and a lot of it has worked against the populous. You didn't state if you were an MD but I'm betting you are and by your statement probably alied with psychiatry (if intuition serves-insight statement on your part). We must ask ourselves what percentage of our life spans increase is from improvements outside of medicine (i.e. no longer using an outhouse-having water to wash and more varied diets and supplements). It would be erroneous to credit medicine as the primary agent of our increased longevity. Assuming a non linear progression of medical advancement why then is the average life span decreasing? Why are cancer rates increasing? Why hasn't a single major (medical/pharma) bread and butter affliction been cured in the last hundred years? Heating and cooking over open fires-not good for you! Sixteen hour work days seven days a week-not good for you! Child labor- not good for you! Ignorence as to the nature of microbial spread-not good for you. Lack of worker safty standards-not good for you-extreme survival stressors-not good for you. Much has changed over the last several hundred years outside of medicine to add to the populations longevity. Advances in health care are but one factor, yet to deny that medicine isn't seeded with corruption at its top levels is foolish. Medicine stomps on the compitition and the literature is rife with examples (no pun intended). I fully expect you to defend your profession if indeed you are an MD but your highest moral obligation isn't to your profession it's to the people you treat and can help. To be honest medicine is a bit of a whore, addicted to money and costly procedures often of questionable benefit. Do you really believe that pestacide residuals are increasing our life spans? I hope not. So why are we seeing a decrease in life spans? Could it be that environmental toxins are catching up to us (I'm including electro-polution). The major advance that medicine makes use of is antibiotics and now the luster due to improper use and prescription is fading. People are living longer now due to an increase in standard of living-fewer of us working the coal mines, fewer of us falling from our horses, fewer of us lost at sea and fewer of us succumbing to pneumonia. So yes, medicine is a double edged sword often times killing the afflicted with the affliction(we bury our mistakes), but it's far from all bad and there are many dedicated people willing to invest heart and soul to help others. Unfortunately when you're in the box it's hard to see outside of it. Answer us all, why are cancer cures suppressed? What about worthwhile advances in cardiac care (magnesium for one)? Where oh where is preventative medicine? Why as a group do you (if you're in that group) keep running the same paths in the maze? Many great spirits among you, but many small ones as well and scociopathy rules your profession and is clearly in bed with the power elite (Rockefeller-research it if you doubt).
Why are cheap effective cures (OK treatments) like colloidal silver, rife and electro/frequency medicine suppressed? Why are people miseducated in school being tought self serving propaganda? To me it's because there are many connected scams afloat set loose by those who seak to control by lack of useful knowledge and pure b.s. |
| GREY LENSMAN
User ID: 442629
6/1/2008 9:58 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
AWESOME THREAD
MY THANKS TO ALL CONTRIBUTORS.
I FEEL THIS SHOULD BE A PRIMER FOR ALL LOOKING INTO REAL HEALTH CARE
RE THE DOUBLED LIFESPAN.
SIMPLE
CLEAN WATER, SANITATION AND HYGENE PLUS SOME REALLY GOOD MEDICAL BENEFITS, IE SURGERY, REPAIR WORK AND NURSING
THE FIRST STEP TO REPAIR THE DAMAGE
IS TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE DAMAGED.
GL |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 385176
6/1/2008 10:24 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
Grey, what do you think of the titer check after a rabies vaccine? I respect your viewpoint, very much, and I wonder about it. If one shows an immunity/resistance to rabies, it must be the vaccine, don't you think?
Never in a million years would I get a flu vaccine, or most others. But considering I have rescued (and continue to) so many animals, the rabies thing has been of some interest, to me. Animals like racoons and possums can be carriers.
Do you think the theory behind vaccination is ever sound? |
| GREY LENSMAN
User ID: 442629
6/1/2008 10:28 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
NO
THE WHOLE ISSUE OF ANTIBODIES IS UP N THE AIR.
HOW DO BENEFICIAL BACTERIA LIVE INSIDE YOU
HOW DO OTHER WORMS FLUKES AND STIFF.
THE BODIES DEFENSE IS MULTILAYERED.
BUT THE ULTIMATE IS
TEST FOR ANTI BODIES
HAVE THEM YOU ARE IMMUNE
UNLESS YOU HAVE AIDS
THEN
YOU HAVE IT.
NATURE DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.
GL |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 440306
6/1/2008 10:33 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
Add in the 4lbs. of pestacides, the mercury fillings, the hidden sources of lead, the irradiated food, the phony terror wars, msg, nutritionally "dead" food raised on npk without minerals, and suppression of cures and technology which could make life easier and more affordable-no there's no war on us! Hell! There just dumb stupid animals! You could add another thousand items to the list and not half fill it with what's going on against humanity, ie poor schooling, zionist controlled media expousing reverse moral principles, open boarders durring a terror alert, loss of freedoms etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum. No, I dodn't see anything going on-cause nobody else does either. Time to sniff some lead, eat a Chinese meal and polish my fillings and wait and see if my stimulous check makes it.
All you said and still the human life span in the Usa has doubled. If you lived back in the good O'le days you'd probably be dead now,(your current attained age)! Quoting: Dr Dre 443988
Based on historical cancer rates and the implications presented by the American Cancer Society in the third post on page 1, it probably should've tripled.
In 1900, the death rate for malignant neoplasms (cancer) was 64.0 per 100,000
In 2005, the death rate for cancer had tripled to 188.7 per 100,000, even though smoking declined 40% just between 1965-2000.
Source: 1900-1970, U.S. Public Health Service, Vital Statistics of the United States, annual, Vol. I and Vol II; 1971-2001, U.S. National Center for Health Statistics, Vital Statistics of the United States
Here's the real American tragedy, which I suspect has been given a 200% range to soften the prevalence of the disaster:
Learning and Developmental Disabilities Linked to Environmental Toxins (2/25/08)
Autism, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), dyslexia, mental retardation, lowered IQ and other learning and behavior disorders are very common in today's American children. The occurrence of these learning and developmental disabilities (LDDs) appears to be rising with between 5 to 15 percent of all children under the age of 18 in the United States affected. In general, these disabilities have significantly increased over the past 40 years and now affect more than 12 million children in the United States.
[link to www.healthsentinel.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 440306
6/1/2008 11:35 PM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
AWESOME THREAD
MY THANKS TO ALL CONTRIBUTORS.
I FEEL THIS SHOULD BE A PRIMER FOR ALL LOOKING INTO REAL HEALTH CARE Quoting: GREY LENSMAN 442629
And thanks to the mod who pinned this thread for more than a day. Important stuff.
The moral of the story is, question everything, especially conventional wisdom, ALL MSM accounts, so-called experts like doctors and dentists and anything else that you think you're sure of on this Alice in Wonderland planet. |
| daughter
User ID: 444114
6/2/2008 12:16 AM
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Virus is a mutating organism, antibiotics. vaccines all cause worst viruses. They have been around from the being of
life on this planet and are still here because of their protective mutating. Common sense should tell you doing things
to stop them will cause them to mutate. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 440901
6/2/2008 3:00 AM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
All you said and still the human life span in the Usa has doubled. If you lived back in the good O'le days you'd probably be dead now,(your current attained age)! Quoting: Dr Dre 443988
Ever think that brushing your teeth, regular bathing, proper food handling and storage, clean water, clean homes, contained sewage, things like that MIGHT have something to do with increased lifespans? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 442629
6/2/2008 3:22 AM | | Re: Vaccination - The Hidden Truth | Quote |
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| GREY LENSMAN  
Forum Moderator
User ID: 442629
6/2/2008 5:47 AM
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FIRST YOU NEED TO CHECK THE HISTORY
JENNER AND THE BRAHMINS
THEN YOU NEED TO CHECK THE STATISTICS
THE REAL ONES
THEN YOU NEED TO CHECK THE SCIENCE
THEN YOU WILL KNOW
GL |
| Duncan Kunz
The Debunker King
User ID: 8107
6/2/2008 12:30 PM
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Duncan...
I usually grin and agree with most of your posts but it alarms me that you really believe this. My great-grandfather and my grandfather were both medical doctors who rattled off the same line about vaccinations. IF ONE vaccination was given in an emergency epidemic for a specific medical emergency, this line of thought might make a little bit of sense. It also makes it easier to track actual benefits vs. side-effects. Quoting: OneAngryMom
I don't agree that a wide range of vaccinations makes it harder to track benefits-vs-side effects; actually, the opposite is true. Since we have vaccinations for influenze, measles, mumps, rubella, smallpox, chickenpox, diptheria, poliomyelitis, etc. We can look a the percentage of people suffering from all these diseases pre-innoculation with the level of illnesses today and see that the incidence of all the diseases has decreased sharply over the past 50 years. That's a pretty broad data base, near as I can see.
But history has proven that common sense, good sanitation, don't go out when you're sick or when you can GET sick, and a handful of other such things, make for healthier individuals than the mass injections that are given to infants too new to even HAVE a way to process these immunizations. Quoting: OneAngryMom
No one that I know of has suggested that they do. Innoculations are not designed to replace common sense, sanitation, isolation during the infectious stage of a disease, etc.; they're designed to supplement it.
For example...some of the virus' that children are regularly given immunization for are as simple as what 10 years ago were called "normal childhood diseases". Quoting: OneAngryMom
And how many thousands of American kids were killed by these "normal childhood diseases" of fifty years ago? How many of them are killed by them annually now?
I didn't pay attention to all this...until vaccinations nearly killed my second born. Somehow.....it made me wake up...... Quoting: OneAngryMom
I'm sorry that your kid was endangered, and I'm glad he survived. But the fact that your kid had an adverse reaction, although unfortunate, is not a reason (in my never-humble opinion) to eliminate vaccinations, any more that an airplane crash is a reason to stop flying.
I'm not going to argue that innoculations are safe; I'd be a fool to do so. People die from vaccinations, and I believe that all vaccinations need to be re-evaluated on a regular basis.
But I still believe (as do most epidemiologists) that the advantages tend to outweigh the disadvantages.
July 10, 2002 - July 10, 2008
Six Years as the Debunker King on GLP! |
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