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UFO's - Many Uncrazy Clevelanders Have Seen Strange Lights In The Sky. Who - Or What - Is Buzzing Northeast Ohio?

 
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Many Uncrazy Clevelanders Have Seen Strange Lights In The Sky. Who - Or What - Is Buzzing Northeast Ohio?
By John Lasker

keep watching the skies - A UFO hovers over downtown in March. To suggest that Northeast Ohio could be witness to the next mass UFO sighting does not officially make you a member of the tin-foil hat crowd. If you believe even just a few of the witnesses, Cleveland and its surrounding communities might already be a hotspot.

During the previous two years, the Cleveland UFOlogy Project, considered the oldest of its kind on this side of the globe, has documented 20 credible sightings. The 2005 documentary Dan Akroyd: Unplugged on UFOs highlighted the peculiar lights over Lake Erie near Eastlake, where witnesses reported their latest sighting just this past June. Earlier this year, an "orb" was videotaped over the Key Bank Tower during a peace rally, and the incident made it on the CBS nightly news.

The hype continues: Literally hundreds of thousands have downloaded Internet videos of Northeast Ohio UFOs. The Cleveland Office of Homeland Security has investigated. And one of the Eastlake UFO witnesses says he's signed a contract with a History Channel for a documentary.

"If you take all of the people in Ohio who are interested in this subject, I bet half of them are from that part of the state," says Central Ohio-based William E. Jones, state director for Ohio MUFON, or Mutual UFO Network. "A lot of folks up there have seen things over the years. More people are interested up there. I don't know why."

Sam Phillips has long been a fixture of Cleveland's music scene. He's an accomplished drummer and "hand snapper," and appeared on The Arsenio Hall Show. When interviewed for this story, however, he was homeless and sleeping at the homes of friends and family. Phillips taped a strange light spinning and hovering over the Key Bank Tower on March 10, during a peace rally.

"This is not about me," says Phillips, who admits he has become obsessed with what he saw that night. "There's a pattern here. There's a riddle here. And I want answers. I want an explanation."

He believes it wasn't coincidence the sighting took place over a peace rally. During the sighting, he recalls saying that our "brothers and sisters are going to come down from the universe and humble our ass."

Phillips' story, however, is but a sidebar in the current wave of Northeast Ohio UFO mania. Taking center stage is Lake Erie, and Michael Lee Hill of Eastlake.

Hill, like Phillips, is a musician. In 2001, Grammy-award winner and guitar legend Steve Vai picked Hill as the winner of a national guitar contest. Hill is gregarious, upbeat and likeable. He's unconventional and complex. He's certain that the UFOs he has seen are targeting him.

"I've had contact my whole life," he says. "I remember asking my mother, "Why do Santa's elves keep visiting me?'"

The recent visitations started in earnest five years ago, not far from the coal-burning power plant, he says. While walking on the beach, not far from his home, Hill said he witnessed a top hat-shaped craft hovering and pulsating over the shoreline. This same area is also famous in UFO lore for a 1988 encounter documented by the Coast Guard.

Hill started taking a video camera to the lakefront. Since then he's captured scores of bright lights that appear to hover over Lake Erie. He's uploaded many of his videos to YouTube, and those caught the attention of David Sereda, who directed the Akroyd documentary. Hill created the music for Sereda's latest project, From Here To Andromeda. Hill also says he recently signed a contract for a History Channel project, but the channel did not return Free Times' calls.

"I really do consider myself a spiritual messenger; I know it sounds freaky," says Hill, adding that the UFO filmed over the Key Bank Tower is one of the same orbs he captured over Lake Erie. "There's a huge story unfolding here. I think they're absolutely sending us a message. I believe they are here to help us become a galactic society."

At the other end of the spectrum is Eastlake resident Gary Strauss, who says adamantly, "I'm not one of those UFO people." He's a chemist and a supervisor at a local laboratory. He's lived in his home on the lake since 1984, in the same neighborhood as Hill, though they've never met.

Early on the morning of June 21, Strauss and his son saw four bright lights, shaped like the tip of a Sharpie marker, high above the water. The lights were in a line parallel with the shoreline, positioned at 11 o'clock and 30 degrees above the horizon.

Then one vanished. Then another. Soon all four were gone. Suddenly, they reappeared in the shape of a diamond. Then they went flat again. This went on for more than an hour.

He called the Eastlake police and they dispatched an officer. Strauss remembers the officer saying, "What is that?"

The following day, his son checked the Internet for lights over Lake Erie and found one of Hill's videos. He recalls his son shouting, "That's it! That's what we saw!"

But unlike other Lake Erie witnesses, Strauss doesn't believe the lights are extraterrestrial. He guesses they're the result of government or aerospace industry experiments with new technology. "They're bouncing radar off some type of object," he speculates. "Some form of radar reflection technology. I'm just making an educated guess."

Nevertheless, he's intrigued.

"I look outside a lot more. I want to see it again," says Strauss. "This time, I'm going to have my camera." But he rejects the suggestion that it's anything more than curiosity: "No. I'm not obsessive. Absolutely not."

The Eastlake police actually had two witnesses that night. A detective, who asked not to be named, told the Free Times that he too saw the lights, but from a different vantage point.

The Eastlake police asked the Cleveland office of Homeland Security to look into the sighting, and the detective says he was told later that on the night of the sighting, the Canadian Coast Guard was near the opposite side of the lake searching for a man who had been reported missing. A Canadian Coast Guard helicopter dropped flares, connected to miniature parachutes, over the water. Later it was discovered the man had drowned.

Strauss finds this implausible, believes the lights appeared in a straight line, then vanished, then reappeared in a diamond formation.

The Bush administration reportedly has funneled billions to the aerospace industry to develop space-based weapons under the guise of missile defense. Secret military space-plane programs are believed to have been revived as well.

Another possibility are LAGEOS, or Laser Geodynamics Satellites. Publicly, the government says two are in orbit, and both are roughly the size of a basketball. They are made of brass and partially covered with a retro-reflection material that returns light in the direction it comes from, similar to a road sign.

There's also NASA's Glenn Research Center at the Plum Brook site in Sandusky. The site is home to the world's largest space environment simulation chamber. That chamber will test NASA's new spacecraft, Orion, which will take the US back to the moon. Recent upgrades to the Plum Brook site will also allow it to test "next- generation lunar landers, robotic systems, and military and commercial aircraft," according to NASA's Web site.

"So here I come walking out of the TV station one night in November maybe a decade ago after our early evening newscast," says Ted Henry of New Channel 5. "In perfect formation there were five large objects flying smoothly in my direction. It was stunning.

"What I saw was the undersides of five flat objects flying in exact formation. The front two were enormous, maybe the size of several football fields, and the three trailing were smaller, flying in a slightly irregular pattern."

"What do I think they were? All I can really tell you is what I saw."

Henry has talked about his sighting many times on the air. He puts the experience this way: "One thing is certain, for people who see something in the sky, as I did over Cleveland years ago, it can be a life changing experience."


UFO's Over Lake Erie on CBS News


UFO spotted at Cleveland Peace Rally (March 20, 2007)


Lake Erie UFO's on The History Channel
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This is the 1988 Eastlake UFO event that was talked about on "UFO Hunters"

Coast Guard personnel responding to citizen reports of unusual aerial activity over Lake Erie on March 4, 1988, witnessed classic UFOs near Eastlake, OH. Sheila and Henry Baker were driving home with their three children about 8:35 P.M., after taking them out to dinner, and were almost home. As they neared the waterfront, Sheila noticed something hovering over the lake; they drove down to the beach to investigate and got out of the car. The moon was bright, and there was ice on the lake; Sheila could hear it cracking like claps of thunder.

Plainly visible was a huge, gunmetal gray, football-shaped, silent object rocking back and forth, blinding white light emanating from both ends. Then the object began moving, swinging one end toward the shore and descending. The Bakers became frightened, ran back to their car, and fled. When they got home, the object was still visible from a window facing the lake. Sheila hid the children in a closet, fearing that the thing might come and get them.

The object moved out over the ice and continued to descend, with red and blue lights now flashing in sequence along its lower edge. Sheila called the Eastlake police to report a UFO, and after several referrals, with no one expressing much interest, was told that unusual activity over the lake would be the responsibility of the Coast Guard. Suddenly five or six bright yellow triangular objects shot out of the center of the large object and began darting around independently (satellite objects). Once they stopped and hovered point up around the parent object, then sped away to the north, turned east, then inland toward the Perry nuclear power plant.

At this point Sheila called the Coast Guard, which sent a team to their house to investigate. Seaman James Power and Petty Officer John Knaub arrived towing a Boston Whaler (a seaworthy boat) just in case. They told the Bakers that they had seen some lights over the lake from Fairport Harbor and thought they were flares, maybe fishermen trapped out on the ice. However, when Sheila pointed to the main craft and some of the triangular objects still zipping around it, the men drove closer to the lake to investigate, accompanied by the Bakers. At the lakefront they could hear the ice rumbling and roaring.

In their incident report sent later by teletype to Coast Guard headquarters in Detroit, MI, the men were quoted as saying that "the ice was cracking and moving abnormal amounts as the object came closer to it."

Power and Knaub gave a running report on what they were seeing to their base via the two-way radio in their Chevy Suburban. The window was down, and the Bakers overheard them saying words to the effect: "Be advised the object appears to be landing on the lake . . .

There are other objects moving around it. Be advised these smaller objects are going at high rates of speed. There are no engine noises and they are very, very low."

Abruptly one of the triangles zoomed straight toward the Coast Guard vehicle, a blur of light, then veered east, straight up, and came down beside the parent object. Two witnesses in separate locations also reported seeing the triangles. Cindy Hale was walking her dog when she noticed a triangular object hovering overhead, and her dog began to whine and cower (animal reactions). She took the dog indoors and came back out to watch. The triangle flashed a series of multicolored lights, then accelerated and was gone without making a sound (hover-acceleration).

Tim Keck was using his astronomical telescope when one of the triangles caught his eye. He had a cheap throwaway camera with him and snapped a picture of the object before it flew away over the horizon. The photograph was analyzed by optical physicist Bruce Maccabee, who considered it to be a legitimate image of an unexplained object (see section VII, Photographs).

Back at the lake the Coast Guard team and Henry Baker continued to watch for over an hour. Sheila went home and continued to observe from the window. Henry overheard the men saying such things to their base as, "You should be advised that the object is now shining lights all over the lake and it's turning different colors." The noise of the rumbling ice was thunderous, and the men had to yell to be heard on the radio.

Suddenly the triangles returned and one by one entered the side of the parent object as it seemed to land on the ice. The object flashed a series of red, blue, and yellow lights, the light emanating from the end of the object turned from white to red, and the triangles reemerged and hovered above it. The noise from the ice abruptly ceased, and the lights and triangles disappeared. When it was over the Coast Guard men drove away, "white-faced," according to Henry Baker.


Actual Coast Guard report on 1988 UFO event, same document shown on the History Channel...
[link to www.waterufo.net]
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i mean straight up, so many people have seen them, i hve actually seen one, so i know they definitly out there and doing stuff. look at the soho images, even nasa is "leaking" it out. wake up sheeple, even the gubermint is tellin ya to.
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David Sereda talking about the Lake Erie UFO's
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Pilot's saw the ORBS over Lake Erie as well!

Here is the link to a Zip file containing a Mp3 of the actual communications between 2 flights over Cleveland Ohio, Air Shuttle 5959 and Masaba 3179 regarding a UFO that was spotted by both planes on February 28, 1996.
[link to www.aliensthetruth.com]

Highlights of Pilot's Testimony....

" Maybe and ah...sort of ah...pulsating light about, I don't know, ten miles out. "

"Yeah, that's where I saw it. A really bright white light, sometimes flickering...ah..."

"That's affirmative and it's a light that kinda...it goes dim and it gets bright. I don't know if we're getting closer to it or what? But it looks like a rotating light around it like ah..."

"Ah...we have some kind of white light out there at twelve o'clock and the captain ah...says it's pulsating. It looks like oncoming traffic. But it's just sitting about the same place that it's been the whole...here about ten or fifteen minutes we've been watching it."

"I don't know. I mean we can see a clear, you know, relatively solid cloud deck...ah...below us and this is definitely ah...distinct whitish ah...well, now it's looking a little red and greenish white, sort of pulsating light and it's consonant. It's not a beacon."

"Yeah. Hey, be advised we're descending to four thousand feet right now and as we descend through ten thousand feet, that object is above us right now. It is not on the ground. It's about ten thousand feet."

I believe They were witnessing the same objects being talked about here over Lake Erie. The Pilots descriptions match the video recently captured of Ufo's over lake Erie video's perfectly.
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If you haven't seen the ones I've taken, I have 27 videos of the same type @ [link to www.youtube.com]
There are photos of these, some low altitude and close [link to picasaweb.google.com]
2 more albums at that main link.
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I like this story. Sounds about right.


Plasma Laser: UFO Maker?

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Sounds about right until you see it with your own two eyes right over top of your head, Plus these "Objects/Ball of Fire" have been recorded over Lake Erie back into the 1800's...So this can't be our technology

Validation of Plasma like Balls of Light - Flame like objects over Lake Erie from the past, the 1800’s.

Here is the full article…
[link to strangegrub.blogspot.com]

Lake Erie: UFOs, Alien Bases, and the Wizard Lights

An article in this morning's Cleveland, Ohio Plain Dealer, concerning UFOs and alleged alien bases in the vicinity of Lake Erie, called to mind a couple of articles in my collection, from the 1860s, addressing strange, luminous phenomena on/over the lake. The first, from 1860, is a short article from the Scientific American of that day, covering a report from the Cleveland, Herald, that notes a report of a ship burning out on the lake, when in fact no ship was burning. The second article I include is from the Brooklyn, Eagle, dating from 1867, and again reporting what resembled a burning vessel upon the lake, as well as discussing reports dating from as much as 50 years earlier.



This demonstrates yet again that the 20th century never had a monopoly on unexplained luminous phenomena; the principle ways that the 20th (from 1947 onwards), and now the 21st, centuries differ from the 19th century and earlier, are:

1.) Not long after Kenneth Arnold's landmark sighting in 1947 and the ensuing wave of saucer reports, the label "UFO" was affixed to "the phenomenon," a term which was then widely adopted, and which came to mean everything from unidentified aerial phenomena to extraterrestrial spacecraft in droves.

2.) A lot of people began to make all manner and variety of conclusions (many mutually exclusive) about what such "UFOs" were, and were not, often loosely based upon "data" that never qualified as "data" in the scientific sense (this is still going on, as in the most recent article I link to below).

3.) In the 20th and now the 21st century, those that don't toe the various "party" lines arising as a result of number two, are almost universally either ignored, or "demonized."

I include the full text of the two articles from the 1860s, below the excerpt from today's Cleveland Plain Dealer. Note, as you are reading these articles, that the phenomenon is never called "UFOs" (obviously, the term didn't even exist yet), nor are alien bases or extraterrestrial spacecraft mentioned, nor is any paranormal phenomenon, whatsoever, advanced as a possible explanation.

If you feel so inclined, ponder on what that could mean, if anything.

Scientific American, New Series, Volume 3, Issue 8 (Aug 18, 1860)


OPTICAL ILLUSION ON LAKE ERIE.--The Cleveland, Ohio, Herald says that a tremendous thunder shower passed over that city on the night of the 3d inst., and adds :-- "Between three and four o’clock next morning the appearance of a vessel on fire was seen far out on the lake. Some persons thought they could distinguish the sails. During a heavy gust of wind the light disappeared. Such appearances are not unfrequent on the lake, and the more experienced men along the dock think there has been no vessel burnt."


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"A Curious Phenomenon on Lake Erie," Brooklyn Eagle, Thursday, December 12, 1867

A Mystery on the Lakes--The Wizard
Lights--A Curious Phenomenon on
Lake Erie

I notice in the Dispatch, of the 11th inst.*, the following paragraph:--

"The statement that a vessel was seen burning off Erie on Tuesday night, is corroborated by several persons living on the highlands south of the city, who say they saw it."

On the Tuesday evening mentioned, Oct. 29th, at about 7 o'clock, my attention was called by one of my family to a bright light on the lake, having very much the appearance of a vessel on fire. Bringing several objects into range, I watched the light forsome time to ascertain whether there was any preceptible [sic] motion.

The wind was blowing hard at the time down the lake and a vessel would naturally drift rapidly to leeward, at all events as soon as the propelling power should be interfered with the fire. No motion, however, in any direction was to be discovered, and at once concluded that it was nothing more than the "mysterious light," which for many years past, at longer or shorter intervals, has been seen by the inhabitants at this point on the lake shore. The light has made its appearance generally, if not always, in the fall of the year, and usually in the month of November, and almost always during or immediately after a heavy blow from the southwest. The most brilliant exhibition of the light I have ever seen was during the night of the 24th or 25th, as nearly as I can recollect, of November, 1852. It had been my fortune to witness the burning of the steamer Erie, near Silver Creek, several years before, and the resemblance which this light bore to that of the burning steamer was so strong that I confidently expected the arrival of the boats from the wreck during the night. Others with myself watched the light for perhaps two hours, and with the aid of a good night-glass obtained what seemed to be a very distinct view of the burning vessel.

The object appeared to be some 200 or more feet in length upon the water, and about as high above the water as an upper cabin steamer, such as was in use upon the Lake twenty years ago. At times the flames would start up in spires or sheets of light, then away from side to side, and then die away, precisely as would be the case with a large fire exposed to a strong wind; and two or three times there was the appearance of a cloud of sparks, as if some portion of the upper works had fallen into the burning mass below. The sky and water were beautifully irradiated by the light during its great brilliancy. The light gradually subsided, with occasional flashes until it disappeared altogether. The light of Tuesday evening, although very brilliant for a time, was not nearly so brilliant nor of so long duration as that of 1852.

I am told that this light was seen by mariners on the lakes as long as fifty years ago, but I am not aware that it has ever been made the subject of philosophical speculation or investigation, or, in fact, has ever obtained the notoriety of a newspaper paragraph before. The only theory approaching plausibility I have heard is that the shifting of the sands caused by the continued and heavy winds of autumn has opened some crevices or seams in the rock of the lake bottom through which gas escapes, and that this gas, owing to some peculiar condition of the atmosphere with which it comes in contact, becomes luminous, or perhaps ignited, and burning with a positive flame. That there are what are called "gas springs" in the water along this portion of the lake shore is a well-known fact, and that highly inflammable gas in large quantities exist at a comparatively shallow depth on the shore, has been sufficiently proved by the boring of wells at different points, as at Erie, Walnut Creek, and Lock Haven, and by natural springs at Westfield and Fredonia.

But whatever the cause, the light is a curious fact, and well worthy the attention of those interested in the investigation of the phenomenon of nature.
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I was just reading the story about the "sightings bring town to a standstill" in the UK, I came across the description of the ORBS witnessed by these people...

"we all thought they were hot air balloons at first because the glowing spheres looked like a burst of flames."

UFO's that showed up over a UK town
Here is the Video
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i mean straight up, so many people have seen them, i hve actually seen one, so i know they definitly out there and doing stuff. look at the soho images, even nasa is "leaking" it out. wake up sheeple, even the gubermint is tellin ya to.
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The gummint IS telling us something... but I think they want to tell us for their OWN damned reasons.
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i mean straight up, so many people have seen them, i hve actually seen one, so i know they definitly out there and doing stuff. look at the soho images, even nasa is "leaking" it out. wake up sheeple, even the gubermint is tellin ya to.

The gummint IS telling us something... but I think they want to tell us for their OWN damned reasons.
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I believe the powers that be have done a good job brainwashing the masses into doubt & fear towards anything that goes against what they want you to believe. The US GOV'T, or more correctly The Illuminati (Secret Societies) are fighting first contact tooth & nail because it will be the end of their plan of a One World Government and their Oil based Economy they have set up to keep the masses in a state of Survival mode.

The enlightened beings that are here (the ET's) Know all of this, and they know that if First Contact is spun in a negative fashion, it could throw a lot of people into panic & fear which will not be a pretty sight, So instead of just dropping from the sky, The Et's along with some enlightened humans have begun to reveal to the masses the corruption and dirty deeds of our leaders, so people will understand why massive changes to the system is needed. I believe it won't be long now.
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A Film Student named Brad contacted me who was making a UFO documentary on the recent Lake Erie UFO wave, I did a interview for his film project, it turned out very cool, There is a lot's of very interesting interviews with Wittnesses & cool info that nobody really knows yet, Check it out...





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Two words well four really but whose counting?

Wright Patterson

[link to www.wpafb.af.mil]

Other things to muse about

Project Blue Beam , just think holodeck on the enterprise and your halfway there.

I will say can't recall where I saw this supposition but it goes something like this.

In the last days of the empire a fake alen invasion show may be implemented to enact global martial law . With assorted cameo appearances by various the usual suspects to promote this agenda.
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story is from sept 26 2007
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Summary of “EXECUTIVE SUMMARY”
UK Eyes Only
UK Restricted
Secret

“What does all this stuff about flying saucers amount to? What can it mean? What is the truth? Let me have a report at your convenience”
W.S. Churchill 28th July 1952

‘That UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) exist is indisputable.

‘UAP have occurred throughout history and considerable evidence exists to support the thesis that these events are due to physical, electrical or magnetic phenomenon in the atmosphere, mesosphere and ionosphere. The conditions for these (buoyant plasmas) to be formed and the scientific rationale for sustaining them for significant periods is incomplete or not fully understood.’

‘Occasionally, and possibly as the exception, a field with undetermined characteristics can exist between buoyant plasmas in loose formation to create an area from which the reflection of light does not occur. This is often a triangular shape and can be hundreds of feet in length.’

The close proximity to plasma fields can adversely affect persons and vehicles. A (probably) modulated magnetic, electric or electromagnetic (or even unknown field) appears to emanate from some buoyant plasmas.

The Executive Summary re-emphasizes that a relationship between plasmas and magnetic fields to UAPs was an unexpected finding.

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Plasma Life Forms in Space
An international scientific team has discovered that under the right conditions, particles of inorganic dust can become organized into helical structures which can interact with each other in ways that are usually associated with organic life. Using a computer model of molecular dynamics, V N Tsytovich and his colleagues of the Russian Academy of Science showed that particles in plasma can undergo self-organization as electric charges become separated and the plasma becomes polarized in their paper entitled From Plasma Crystals and Helical Structures towards Inorganic Living Matter, published in the New Journal of Physics in August 2007.

Past studies, subject to Earth's gravity, have shown that if enough particles are injected into a low-temperature plasma, they will spontaneously organize into crystal-like structures or "plasma crystals". Tsytovich's computer simulations suggest that in the gravity-free environment of space, the plasma particles will bead together to form string-like filaments which will then twist into helical strands resembling DNA that are electrically charged and are attracted to each other.

The helical structures undergo changes that are normally associated with biological molecules, such as DNA and proteins, say the researchers. They can, for instance, divide to form copies of the original structure; which then interact to induce changes in their neighbors that evolve into other new structures. The less stable structures break down over time leaving behind only the structures that are most adapted to the environment. "These complex, self-organized plasma structures exhibit all the necessary properties to qualify them as candidates for inorganic living matter", says Tsytovich, "they are autonomous, they reproduce and they evolve".

He adds that the ionized conditions needed to form these helical structures are common in outer space. If that is so, then it will mean that plasma life forms are the most common life form in the universe, given that plasma makes up more than 99% of our universe which is almost everywhere ionized. This is in stark contrast to carbon-based life forms, which according to the Rare Earth hypothesis proposed by Peter Ward and Donald Brownlee, would be rare in the universe due to a number of factors – including the need for an acceptable range of temperatures to survive.
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Wow, I fellow GLp'er just tuned me into a startling fact, You know these Orbs of Plasma Type UFO's that are being talked about here over Lake Erie and that are showing up worldwide now as well?

Well most of you know the UK just released all their Classified UFO documents. Well these Ministry of Defence documents that the Orb/Balls of Fire UFO's are the real UFO's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is it, what more proof do you need?

Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) in the UK Air Defence Region

The Ministry of Defence has released this report in response to a Freedom of Information request and we are pleased to now make it available to a wider audience via the MOD Freedom of Information Publication Scheme. Where indicated information is withheld in accordance with Section 26 (Defence), Section 27 (International Relations) and Section 40 (Personal Information) of the Freedom of Information Act 2000.

[link to www.mod.uk]
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Could alien life exist in the form of DNA-shaped dust?
'Plasma crystals' that behave like life could exist in Saturn's rings, where the 'dust' would actually be fine ice grains, and the nourishing plasma would be supplied by the solar wind.
Could alien life exist in the form of dancing specks of dust? According to a new simulation, electrically charged dust can organise itself into DNA-like double helixes that behave in many ways like living organisms, reproducing and passing on information to one another.
"This came as a bit of a surprise to us", says Gregor Morfill of the Max Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics in Garching, Germany. He and colleagues have built a computer simulation to model what happens to dust immersed in an ionised gas, or plasma.
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finaly some ppls cant denied those orbs are real.


check my tread on this subject. Thread: ORB UFOs all over the world


keep ur eyes open !
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That Unidentified Arial Phenomenon (UAP or UFO) Exist is indisputable. Credited with the ability to hover, land, take off, accelerate to astonishing velocities and vanish. They can reportedly alter their direction of flight suddenly and clearly can exhibit acrodynamic characteristics well beyond those of any known aircraft or missle - either manned or unmanned.

The Conditions for the initial formation and sustaining what apparently bouyant charged masses, which can form, seperate, merge, hover climp, dive, and accelerate are not completly understood. - The UK Ministry of Defence



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story is from sept 26 2007
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The CBS News program is from Jan.- 08, The History Channel show is from Feb.- 08. What is your point, the phenomenon is still ongoing
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"Whats Buzzing?"

Birds! Someone with the same idea I had. Light bracelets attached to their necks :)
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"Whats Buzzing?"

Birds! Someone with the same idea I had. Light bracelets attached to their necks :)

Thread: I attached lights to a few pigeons I caught recently and set them free tonight, the local news reports UFO's.
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the GRAYS?! hell no! time to eradicate em' all at once and once and forever.

they're plain EVIL! no good ET race would ever experiment on another race! doing so IS EVIL! if they try to fool earth into a "good" first contact, they'll be eradicated once and forever by the good ETs. enough now! they've long enough overstepped the line and ignored all warnings by the good ones!

they got no commons sense, are arrogant and simply plain evil!

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nuff' said.
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"Whats Buzzing?"

Birds! Someone with the same idea I had. Light bracelets attached to their necks :)
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Whatever the thoughts and feelings may be about the orbs, many people are interested in the subject as shown by 2,420,000 results on Google.
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"I will say can't recall where I saw this supposition but it goes something like this.

In the last days of the empire a fake alen invasion show may be implemented to enact global martial law . With assorted cameo appearances by various the usual suspects to promote this agenda."

Werner Von Braun the rocket scientist from WW2 Germany (who we brought to the US) mentioned that the NWO has an agenda, and that UFOs were the final step. He made a speach before he died warning people not to fall for it. I seriously believe 100% that "UFOs" DO exist and maybe have since WW2 (anti-gravity technology), but they are manufactured here on this planet and are contolled by humans. I wouldn't be surprised to hear they are based all over the place, and don't have to "go home" to Area 51 after every flight. I'm NOT saying they're aren't other intelligent life forms out there in the Universe, just that 99% of "the sightings" of UFOs are Earth based/human built crafts. hayseed
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Cleveland's News anchor Ted Henry talking about his UFO encounter with five UFO's, here is the link to that news segment

[link to www.newsnet5.com]
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I want a pair of plasma balls.
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If there were such thing as UFO's and superintelligent alien beings, why the hell would they be flying to Cleveland?

It's a poor man's Pittsburgh, for God's sake!
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First, a brief intro. My name is Jack Littleton. Donald Scott was kind enough to allow me to quote him on the Plasma page of my website, which otherwise deals with the "UFO"/UAP mystery. That's right, "flying saucers". I was also asked to phone David Talbott, but was unable to accomodate that request at that time, which I somewhat regret (but I'm an overly cautious guy). I had a wonderful friend, now deceased, who had been involved in many interesting things and attended the briefing on "The Roswell Incident" (in the public vernacular). If not for him, I would have no particular interest in the topic (any more than any other Joe Wine Cooler who had just seen something on "In Search Of...").

Why Nobody Cares About Plasma

I'm extremely impressed with all of the EU (Electric Universe) scientists. I don't have the scientific background to offer an opinion on whether these theories will be proven correct. Many factors suggest that they might. Unfortunately, these factors have implications for national security and, probably, current intelligence operations. There's a very good reason that nobody cares about plasma.

The British Ministry of Defence has released documents stating that they feel the UFO mystery is solved! Let me say that again. The British government believes the UFO mystery is solved! You probably saw it on the evening news or read it in the paper, right? No? How is that possible? How could a mystery that everybody loves be almost totally ignored by the mainstream media? That seems highly, almost extraordinarily improbable. It makes no sense. Or does it?

The general public gets much of its scientific opinion from sci-fi writers (fiction). Every belief in this area (telepathics, abduction, flying saucers and little green men) began first in fiction. This can be easily demonstrated. The British MoD says that UFOs are bouyant charged plasmas, though this is unproven. But nobody cares. Why? Because public opinion is still based on 1930s sci-fi (and stuff from the fifties). The MoD release (aka 'The Condign Report') should have generated unprecedented publicity for the EU scientific effort. Plasma scientists should have been appearing on every morning news show. They didn't make those appearances. Nodody wanted to hear about it. But is there more to it than that?

I believe there is very limited public awareness of this major revision of our understanding of the universe because certain elements wish to keep this somewhat low-key. As a civilian I can only guess about the motivations behind this -- and I firmly believe that they are absolutely proper and definitely in the public interest. However, I should point out that the solution to the UFO/flying saucer mystery is an unprecedented publicity coup. You can't buy that kind of access to the general public (though a government could engineer such access if they chose to do so). I have to assume that it is not being exploited for reasons that are "more important than the science" (and must remain unknown, probably at some expense to the science). But these reasons are powerful, tangible, and probably not something to speculate too deeply about.
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I think the reason why they continue to blatently ignore and shun the EU stuff is because of its simple implications..

If Earth is NOT an electrically neutral body.. if the space surrounding Earth is not electrically neutral iether.. then it becomes a question of, "Hey, we are surrounded by potential energy! Is there anyway we can tap this almost limitless supply of energy?"

I personally believe this links back into Nikola Tesla, and his research as an electrical alchemist of sorts. This man practically invented our modern era, and all his inventions share a common thread, that of electricity, and if you take the time to examine the list, you begin to get the impression this guy knew more than he is given credit for. One has to ask why he is not paraded as a modern day hero like Einstein or Newton, when his inventions and discoveries encircle the globe!

So what it comes down to in my opinion, is energy. If you control the energy supply, you can control mankind. And there ARE people in control of this planet, and they do not want to let it go.. because as soon as energy becomes free and plentiful.. our civilization is going to be propelled into a new era altogether!
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The public doesn't care about the Electric Universe or plasma because no one has made it interesting to them. Scientists are interested in science. The public doesn't care. No one has told them why they should care. At the same time, everybody likes a great mystery, such as "flying saucers". Everybody. The British MoD has handed a golden opportunity to the EU scientists to dazzle the public with a publicity bonanza. This is not something that could happen (like free energy); this did happen -- and nobody among the EU scientists did anything about it. Talk about a puzzling situation...
 Quoting: Jack Littleton


I don't think the EU team are stupid enough to get tangled up with UFO's.. it would be a disaster waiting to happen.
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You've probably exactly stated the error on the part of EU scientists, which was a publicity blunder. You probably are not aware that the British Ministry of Defence has concluded that "UFOs" (UAP) are bouyard charged plasmas, a rare but natural phenomenon. This should have been an astounding revelation to the general public, but it went nowhere. Nobody stood up to say why this was significant. So, why would the EU scientists be afraid to engage in a discussion of a naturally-occuring plasma phenomonen?

On the other hand, you could have a valid point. The politics within places such as Los Alamos could be so intimidating that anything - even the conclusions of our closest ally, Great Britain - could turn opinion within that elite community against the EU crowd, just when they're beginning to make some headway. I have no way of knowing this, but fear of losing small gains is a good theory for the silence. Ironic, but it does make sense.
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I understand where you're coming from. Its interesting the plasma link.. i have seen plasma orbs in the sky on several occassions, very beautiful indeed

If i were in the position of the EU team, i would be VERY careful about engaging into something like this. I don't want to sound paranoid, but i don't trust the MoD for one second, and anything they put out could be some form of bait or psychological warfare operation. Its a gamble. One i would personally not engage in, but im just a bit conspiracy mad

Whilst im sure the EU theory could definitely be applied here, i think its greatest strength so far has been to remain detached, yet focused, and this gives great credit to the theory and those researching it. Members of the public who randomly come across the theory will be impressed by its ability to make great predictions in the cosmological field, and successful ones, and also the ability to explain many "mysteries" in space that the standard model fails to do.
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I don't disagree with anything in your post. Caution is clearly the direction that has been chosen. In theory, this should be the wisest course. Unfortunately, I think we're heading into an era of uncertainty that will force the issue sooner than it might otherwise progress. Specifically, I'm speaking of our space program and some very real threats over the next few decades. I don't know if there is the luxury of caution. When people get scared (say, of an approaching asteroid), they will turn to whomever they trust with their lives and money. In the case of Apophis (which may turn out to be a big nothing, but there is still some doubt), this is a very short window of opportunity for "new theories". I'm not paranoid either, but I've never before seen news coverage (mainstream media) of something that was over 20 years in the future. Suddenly, we seem to have a space program that is shifting into high gear. I draw no conclusions, but it's worth paying attention.

The release of 'The Condign Report' (by MoD) has to be viewed from every possible angle. (I've gone over those in my blog, but I won't ask you to read anything - you're welcome . I think we're in for an interesting few decades.
 Quoting: Jack Littleton


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I was just reading the story about the "sightings bring town to a standstill" in the UK, I came across the description of the ORBS witnessed by these people...

"we all thought they were hot air balloons at first because the glowing spheres looked like a burst of flames."

UFO's that showed up over a UK town
Here is the Video

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I have witnessed AN OBJECT similar to the the above objects - within a few hundred feet - incredible transformations between a "ball of flame" and a sharp concentrated light - highly manueravable and the fastest thing I have ever seen - in real life or movies. Location - base of Lake Huron
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They took the wrong turn at Albuquerque looking for Wright-Patterson's InterGalactic New World Order bash.

Special events this year include:
* Dick Cheney Anal Probing
* George Bush Piñata Bashing (there's nothing inside)
* Condi Rice look alike contest - Last year's winner was from Zeta
* Pin the tail on the Quintaped from Orion. The funny part about this activity is that the fifth leg is not really a leg and is directly related to the Cheney anal probing game.

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