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| Anonymous Coward
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6/6/2008 11:01 PM | | Re: Minot AFB oddities, suicides, accidents and murder MASTER THREAD | Quote |
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and today the AF leadership was sent packin'....
EDIT NOTE: the details and timeline are chaotic, there are a number of mysterious deaths involving air crew, ground crew, security, brass and whistleblowers invloved with the minot incident - we are trying to piece it all together...
LOOKS LIKE THE MOSSAD HAS BEEN VERY ACTIVE MURDERING AMERICAN CITIZENS. |
| I am the Jury
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6/6/2008 11:03 PM
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| Anonymous Coward
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6/6/2008 11:08 PM | | Re: Minot AFB oddities, suicides, accidents and murder MASTER THREAD | Quote |
You must admit that it's rather astonishing for 6 members of this crew to have died suddenly. I mean, if it was one accident that took out 6 members - okay, but these are separate events. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 447264
I would be astonishing, if they were from the same crew. They're clearly not, they can't have been part of that crew if some died 2 months before it took off. A couple of them weren't even airmen, one was a special forces guy. He certainly wasn't part of the flight crew.
The only link here, is that over a span of a few months, 6 people from the same very large airbase died. |
| malu 
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6/6/2008 11:50 PM
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You must admit that it's rather astonishing for 6 members of this crew to have died suddenly. I mean, if it was one accident that took out 6 members - okay, but these are separate events.
I would be astonishing, if they were from the same crew. They're clearly not, they can't have been part of that crew if some died 2 months before it took off. A couple of them weren't even airmen, one was a special forces guy. He certainly wasn't part of the flight crew.
The only link here, is that over a span of a few months, 6 people from the same very large airbase died. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 446736
special force personnel are routinely assigned to "oversee" such shipments, if strict protocols aren't followed they will neutralize ANY threat to the mission
but you may be right about the six not being connected , but just play along cause this was kind of fun
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| Anonymous Coward
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6/7/2008 1:45 AM | | Re: Minot AFB oddities, suicides, accidents and murder MASTER THREAD | Quote |
It's an interesting story- a piece from here, a piece there. The missing nuke fuses is not speculation. They were missing for three years-THREE years. If they can go missing for three years-what else is missing?
From State Department(US GOV) website.(Press release March 2008)
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"We will now be glad to take your questions.
SEC. WYNNE: Please.
Q: Bottom line is that this sounds like a, for lack of a better way to put it, a real screw-up in the nation's nuclear program, of course, coming after the incident with the missiles that flew on the B-52s. How confident should we be in the security of our nuclear- related technology?
SEC. WYNNE: Well, actually, the Air Force shipped this device in March of 2005, well before the other nuclear incident. But as Secretary Ryan Henry indicated, the secretary of Defense is taking this very seriously. We are all taking this very seriously. And it -- and though this was not in -- could not be construed as being nuclear material, it is a component for a -- you know, the fuse in the nose cone for a nuclear system.
And so I would tell you that we are very concerned about it. It was a different supply chain that was involved in that whole procedural analysis. So we are going to conduct now a review of all -- under the guidance of the secretary of Defense, both the secretary of the Air Force and the secretary of the Navy, among all non-nuclear componentry that goes into the nuclear weapons characterization.
Yes, ma'am.
Q: Was there anything about this component that is -- that they could glean any information out of? And could they take it and then build one on their own? And how can you be certain it was kept in storage and not at some point analyzed?
SEC. WYNNE: That'll come out, I think, as a part of the investigation. We feel like the authorities inside Taiwan acted very responsibly. I would leave that to Secretary Ryan Henry to dispose of, but right now there's no indication.
Tony?
Q: How did they act responsibly? Can you expand on that?
MR. HENRY: Yes. We have no indications from a site inspection of the item that it has in any way been tampered with, but that will be part of the further investigation. That's one of the reasons for bringing the intelligence services in, to be able to determine that. But again, all our dealings with the Taiwan authorities have been up front and they have in no way tried to be uncooperative in any sort of way.
Additionally, these are first indications, but our communication with experts indicate that this is a system that was built and designed in the '60s, and so therefore the technology that is in there is quite dated. But nonetheless, we're taking this extremely seriously and we feel quite confident we'll be able to determine if there has been any tampering or exploitation.
Q: Yes, two quick questions. A, why isn't the DLA director here? This doesn't seem like an Air Force issue; it's a DLA shipping issue. And B, why did it take two years to find out that these things were shipped improperly?
MR. HENRY: The purpose of the investigation Admiral Donald will be conducting is to determine where the accountability is. We've had a team of people who since Friday morning have been working very hard on this, worked through the weekend to try to determine things. We are in the process of being able to piece together different elements and trying to gain an understanding of what happened. There are multiple players. There are multiple parties involved.
And we are -- we'll do a thorough investigation, and those who are responsible will be held accountable. The secretary is quite forceful in this.
And the different players involved, the director of DLA and other people that are in the supply chain, both the Air Force and the regular Defense Department, they are working and trying to understand the details. This was not meant to be a detailed brief; it was to give you the facts as we know them for sure today. Everything else, we're trying to gather facts. Many times they don't -- they don't indicate the same outcome. And so we're trying to eliminate that confusion with the investigation.
SEC. WYNNE: Second row.
Q: Yeah, thank you very much. A small question, then a bigger question. What missile was this warhead designed for?
SEC. WYNNE: The component was aimed at a Minuteman.
Q: And a larger question. Even if this was an error, even if it wasn't intentional, has the United States by this shipment violated international law, treaty obligations or such vehicles as the Missile Technology Control Regime?
MR. HENRY: That's under analysis now. The Missile Technology Control Regime is self-enforcing, as you're aware. We are looking at the different items of that. If there was a violation, we are coming forth with it as soon as we became aware of it. We are being totally transparent. We have corrected the situation. And if there was something that was amiss, it clearly was not intentional. The United States stands up to its treaty obligations. And we're dealing with this in the most straightforward manner we can.
SEC. WYNNE: Yes, ma'am?
Q: Can you say what -- how this came to light? How did the United States find out that this happened? Did the Taiwanese government come forward? And can you also say what reaction China has had to this?
SEC. WYNNE: I can tell you that it was very responsible on the part of the Taiwanese that when they realized what they had, they notified the right authorities and started the recovery process.
MR. HENRY: Yeah, I would say -- and these are just initial gathering of information -- it appears from the -- fairly early on the Chinese indicated to us that they did not have in receipt what they had asked for. We still thought --
Q: (Off mike.)
MR. HENRY: Excuse me, I apologize. The Taiwan authorities indicated that they didn't have in possession what they anticipated getting. We on our side thought we were talking about different sorts of batteries. There was an effort to resolve and to reimburse them. It wasn't until this past week that we became aware that they had something akin to a nose cone assembly, at which time elements in the field worked that for a couple days to get resolution.
Once we thought we understood what the part number was, the Pentagon became aware of that, on Thursday. And again I've taken you through the sequence of events since then.
So there were early communications, but we thought we were hearing one thing. In reality, they were saying something different.
Q: And China's reaction?
MR. HENRY: We have spoken to the Chinese authorities and we will continue to have dialogue with them. Again we've been very clear that we think that this is -- that our policy has not changed, that there was an error. There was a mistake in execution, and we've notified them as soon as we became aware of it.
Q: When was that notification from Taiwan, that they had the wrong package?
MR. HENRY: Those dates and specific dates will be part of the investigation. And --
Q: Are we talking 2006 or are we talking 2008?
MR. HENRY: Again we have different pieces of information. And as far as when people became aware of them, that will be part of the job of Admiral Donald. Again you'll be able to see his tasking memo when he'll be reporting back to the secretary. And as soon as we have definitive answers on those things, we will make them available.
(Cross talk.)
Q: Can I just crawl through that timeline again? I mean, things were shipped in March of 2005. What's the fall 2006?
SEC. WYNNE: In fall 2006 is when DLA picked them out of the warehouse, in fulfillment of the FMS order, and shipped them to the Republic of China, Taiwan.
Q: Okay.
So Taiwan was in, well, had these all the way --
SEC. WYNNE: They put them right into storage, right.
Q: In storage until Friday.
SEC. WYNNE: Until they came out with it.
And I think the rest of the timeline has to be done by Admiral Donald. But I would say that late last week was when we realized that they were in fact fuses from nose cone assemblies.
Q: But a period before that was when there was ongoing discussion that they had the wrong part. So at least for some period of time before last week, there were ongoing discussions between the United States and Taiwan about them not having the right part.
SEC. WYNNE: I believe so but I'd like for that to come out during Admiral Donald's investigation.
(Cross talk.)
Q: You may have already covered this.
Does the fuse, are you able to explain, does the fuse assembly that you're talking about involve a firing circuit, a trigger, an igniter? What exactly are the components of this assembly?
SEC. WYNNE: Well, there you have it.
This is the warhead. This is the electrical component that is the fuse. And that's what's on here.
Q: Right, but -- I'm so sorry -- was only the fuse shipped, or was the whole --
SEC. WYNNE: Just this.
Q: So only the electrical component was shipped. And is that a firing mechanism in and of itself -- not in and of itself, but is that an actual firing --
SEC. WYNNE: Well, the fuse is a -- a fuse is a -- it has a small battery in it, and so it is the firing mechanism. But it does not -- obviously, separated, it has no nuclear material associated with it.
MR. HENRY: So for total accuracy, it sends a simple electrical signal to the weapons package, which has its own triggering mechanism. So this is just to tell the triggering mechanism within the weapons package to start its sequence of events. But it's a very simple electrical signal. This is similar to what we find in artillery shells. It's in many, many conventional weapons. It has to do with sensing proximity to the ground and saying when you get within a certain distance to the ground, it sends out the simple single -- signal.
Q: And is there anything about this that is similar in physical appearance to the helicopter batteries that Taiwan thought it was buying?
SEC. WYNNE: I would say once you set them side by side, no.
Q: And are these inventoried items? In other words, are you --
SEC. WYNNE: Yes. We have these in inventory both at the bases where they're in use and at DLA.
Yes, sir.
Q: How were they recovered?
SEC. WYNNE: How were they recovered?
GEN. HAM: Thanks, Mr. Secretary.
When we became aware of this, of the misshipment and the Taiwanese had these items under their control, U.S. military personnel serving a liaison function were able to coordinate at the warehouse which these items were stored, to -- first, again, to establish security for those items and then later to transport them to a site where they could be under U.S. control until such time as air transportation could be arranged to move them on further.
Q: And so this was all coordinated with the Taiwanese?
GEN. HAM: This was with the -- U.S. Pacific Command, at our end, had the lead for this, to coordinate through the liaison offices that exist there, yes.
Q: Could I -- I'm still confused on this fuse. This fuse has no nuclear components, but it could detonate a nuclear warhead, correct?
SEC. WYNNE: Well, it is the electrical firing mechanism that allows the rest of the system to detonate.
So I mean, that's what it's used as, just like a fuse on a piece of dynamite.
Q: (Off mike) -- nuclear weapon?
SEC. WYNNE: It has no nuclear material associated with it. It is an electrical component called a fuse.
MR. HENRY: It could set off -- (off mike) -- a separate component inside the weapons package. This sends the electrical signal to that trigger to say that it can start its sequence.
Q: This tells the trigger it's time to start firing. So it's part of the triggering mechanism.
SEC. WYNNE: Yes, ma'am?
(Cross talk.)
Q: (Off mike.)
SEC. WYNNE: Not for me.
Q: Is it a yes or -- Mr. Henry? Is it part of the triggering mechanism?
MR. HENRY: It is a fuse, the same sort of fuse that you would have in a conventional artillery shell, that would send a signal to the explosive charge. So it is a generic sensing proximity fuse for the ground with the battery to help send that electrical signal out.
The weapons package itself is a -- it's a very complex sequence of events, and that is contained in the weapons package, which is immediately behind the fuse assembly.
SEC. WYNNE: That was this one.
Q: That's a yes, right?
Q: Is this fuse unique to nuclear weapons?
MR. HENRY: The specific manufacturing of this is done to be made specifically with this weapons package. So you would not be able to use this in any other weapons system, nuclear or non-nuclear. But the mechanism itself is common to many, many different weapons.
Q: But it would only work on that nuclear warhead.
MR. HENRY: This specific one will only work on this weapons package, the Mark-12, and no other weapons package.
Q: And Mark-12 is a nuclear warhead?
MR. HENRY: And this is -- yes.
Q: But the simple question was if it's part of the triggering mechanism, and the answer is yes, it is part of the triggering --
MR. HENRY: It's a matter of how you use your definitions, and it depends -- triggering, to us, and in the nuclear arena means something very specific. Okay. This does say that the weapons package can become active. So it depends. If you're defining it in layman's terms, the specific way we define it, the triggering mechanism is confined within the -- in the weapons package. But it's a matter of whether you're using our military definitions or if you're using a layman's definition.
SEC. WYNNE: Yes, ma'am?
Q: (Off mike) -- can you work out the timeline again? First you mentioned is March 2005. Is that the day Taiwan was notified to --
SEC. WYNNE: No, that was when we declared it excess at FE-1, and if you have excess in your storehouse, then you ship it to a central location, which was the Defense Logistics Agency warehouse at Hill Air Force Base.
They maintain the larger stock, and they have control over it. So we maintain what we would call on-site stock, which is a smaller set. And the larger buffer, if you will, in a supply sense, is at Hill.
Q: So Taiwan actually received that in 2006 --
SEC. WYNNE: So then in 2006, then the Defense Logistics Agency picked up this shipping container, four of them, and shipped it to Taiwan in response to a foreign military sales case for helicopter batteries.
Q: Well, since there's -- you know, there is no nuclear material associated, what -- can you tell us the impact, you know, why this becomes so sensitive?
SEC. WYNNE: Well, I would say, first of all, as was indicated before, this is a part and parcel of our strategic weapons systems. We had an incident. We want to be very sensitive to that nuclear incident. We did control all of the nuclear aspects, and here we have something that is, as you say, non-nuclear component. And the question before the secretary, which he'd like answers to, is, should we and do we monitor and proctor this side of the nuclear components? And there's a lot of different components that would, if you will, comprise our totals. And that's why he's asked not just the Air Force but also the Navy to follow through.
Yes, ma'am?
Q: So you say there were four of those together?
SEC. WYNNE: There were four batteries asked for and there were four containers shipped.
Q: And all four had this in them?
SEC. WYNNE: All four had the same device in them.
Q: Can you say at this point whether -- first of all, they were sent to this other facility because they were in excess where they were. So was it -- was it these nose cones that were in excess, or was it helicopter batteries that were in excess and the mistake was made there?
SEC. WYNNE: That's for the -- for Admiral Donald to discern.
I can't -- I can't go into that right now because I'm -- we're looking at it.
Q: Was it one fuse in each container, or there's more than one in each container?
SEC. WYNNE: No. There's one fuse in each container.
(Cross talk.)
Yes, sir.
Q: How closely are these normally monitored, these assemblies? And what were they -- what was supposed to happen to them at DLA once they were shipped?
SEC. WYNNE: I'm going from memory now because I'm not Defense Logistics Agency.
But when they arrive at a shipping dock, there's a classified storage and an unclassified storage. And these went to the unclassified storage. They should have gone to the classified storage. There is a classified storage there.
Q: And how carefully are they normally monitored?
SEC. WYNNE: We reconcile quarterly to, and each location is reconciled quarterly, to make sure that there's been no pilferage or loss. So that's what the secretary is very concerned about, is that this clearly is an escape from that process.
MR. HENRY: I might add that we have had the opportunity to have a team working this through the weekend, giving up their Easter holiday to try to understand this.
We -- it was not crystal clear exactly what happened. We took this to the secretary, let him know that there were some differences in understanding what the records mean. There were some differences in understanding what the sequence of events are. And therefore we suggested, and he readily took the -- went forward with the idea that we do a real investigation into this.
And so as you start to ask all these logistics questions and what went where when, there are bits and piece of information indicate it might have happened one way. But we really don't know and we really think it's too early to start to speculate exactly what the sequence of events were, what the interactions were between multiple agencies. That's the purpose of the investigation.
The secretary has tasked Admiral Donald to move with alacrity, to get back to him with an interim report very quickly. And as we understand these things, and we can come to you with rather than what may have been, what actually is, then we'll come forward, those things. But to continue to dig into the little bits and pieces we know right now, we really don't think is helpful, because many of them could be proved wrong as we gather more facts.
Q: Just to be clear about what has been said today already, I think what I've heard is that March 2005, they were shipped to the DLA and put in unclassified storage when they should have been put in classified storage. Is that correct? And who made that error?
SEC. WYNNE: That actually is some speculation on my part as to what their transit was. And as to your second part of your question, that's what Admiral Donald is empowered for.
Q: So we don't know who's doing that shipment, who's moving them at that point in 2005?
SEC. WYNNE: What we do know is they were shipped from F.E. Warren to Hill Air Force Base. And as I said, that was some speculation on my part that they -- they have classified storage, I'm aware of that, but remember, I was going from some distant memory. And this was picked from unclassified storage for processing to the -- for the FMS case. As to what happened between arrival and departure is for Admiral Donald to surmise.
STAFF: We have time for just one or two more.
SEC. WYNNE: Yes, sir.
Q: Going back on the timeline a bit, can you tell us when the secretary was told about this and when, then, he informed -- I would assume he informed the White House, when --
MR. HENRY: As I mentioned in my statement, he was informed this last Friday morning, at which time he directed the steps to secure the material, put it under positive control and return it to the United States to a secure facility, all of which has been done. That day, the president was notified.
Q: Initially, though, it was Thursday, you said, that the Pentagon kind of figured out what --
MR. HENRY: Thursday afternoon, different elements here in the Pentagon, the Air Force and on the secretary's staff, learned of this. They verified what they were getting. This, as you can imagine, was somewhat unusual to come forward. So they wanted to make sure they were coming forward with accurate information. That happened over a matter of hours. After the close of business Friday (sic) afternoon, different senior officials were notified. They gathered more facts and then notified the secretary Friday morning as he came into work.
SEC. WYNNE: One more question.
Q: Mr. Secretary, you just said that they reconcile the inventory quarterly. Is that correct?
SEC. WYNNE: That's their normal procedure.
Q: So there were arguably six to eight different inventories at which time these four fuses were never -- it was never realized that these fuses were missed?
SEC. WYNNE: That's the concern.
Q: I mean, is that -- is there a larger concern at this point? I know you guys are -- you're going to undergo this large investigation, but is there a larger concern that there's other potentially dangerous material --
SEC. WYNNE: Well, the secretary's actually asked the secretary of the Air Force and the Navy to essentially arrive at that comprehensive review and I think we will leave it to that comprehensive review.
But suffice it to say here that we have done a real scrub, for this particular part, and have identified and found all of the ones that WE ARE AWARE OF."
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What a clumsy cover story. |
| Anonymous Coward
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6/7/2008 2:06 AM | | Re: Minot AFB oddities, suicides, accidents and murder MASTER THREAD | Quote |
The bigger story not mentioned is the fact that these fuses were not brought to light until immediately after Taiwan's main opposition Nationalist Party (KMT) presidential candidate Ma Ying-jeou won the election.
That has red flag written all over it, in more ways that one |
| Anonymous Coward
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6/7/2008 3:07 AM | | Re: Minot AFB oddities, suicides, accidents and murder MASTER THREAD | Quote |
what exactly does this mean? aside from too many innocent deaths |
| Anonymous Coward
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6/7/2008 4:20 AM | | Re: Minot AFB oddities, suicides, accidents and murder MASTER THREAD | Quote |
Clint Huff was the strategist that was going public - he was killed along with his wife by another servicemember from Minot, they were stationed nearby Barksdale. Quoting: 3c? nli 78748
So they were somehow forced to try to pass a van on a motorcycle in a no passing zone? How stupid do you think we are? Go tell your lies somewhere else. |
| Anonymous Coward
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6/7/2008 4:21 AM | | Re: Minot AFB oddities, suicides, accidents and murder MASTER THREAD | Quote |
You must admit that it's rather astonishing for 6 members of this crew to have died suddenly. I mean, if it was one accident that took out 6 members - okay, but these are separate events.
I would be astonishing, if they were from the same crew. They're clearly not, they can't have been part of that crew if some died 2 months before it took off. A couple of them weren't even airmen, one was a special forces guy. He certainly wasn't part of the flight crew.
The only link here, is that over a span of a few months, 6 people from the same very large airbase died. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 446736
That is not even a valid link as 3 of the 6 were not even stationed at Minot. |
| Anonymous Coward
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6/7/2008 6:24 AM | | Re: Minot AFB oddities, suicides, accidents and murder MASTER THREAD | Quote |
The rival nuclear chain-of-command that was responsible for the Minot nuclear incident, REX REDUX, and associated events is as follows:
Vice President Dick Cheney
-- Chief of Staff David Addington
Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne
Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Michael Moseley
-- Gen. Lawrence Stuztriem, Chief of Staff of the Air Force Strategic Studies Group - CHECKMATE
-- Dr. Lani Kass, ex-Israeli Air Force, Cyber Warfare, US Air Force, CHECKMATE
Lt. Gen. Robert Elder, Commander 8th Air Force, Barksdale Air Force Base
Col. Bruce Emig, Commander 5th Bomb Wing, Minot Air Force Base (relieved of command after nuclear incident)
Maj. Gen. Stephen Goldfein, Commander Air Warfare Center, Nellis Air Force Base
THANKS for finding this again! that's important... Quoting: 3c?
Wow, yes it is! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 440306
6/7/2008 7:50 AM | | Re: Minot AFB oddities, suicides, accidents and murder MASTER THREAD | Quote |
Guys....the nuke incident happened in Sep't 07...how many of these guys died in July and Aug 07 ?.....fuck it, it's a good conspiracy...you get a pin...!
then we have the wrong guys, they can't be part of the flight crew if they were dead, now i am missing something Quoting: malu
Just the logic of SHR. |
| Anonymous Coward
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6/7/2008 9:26 AM | | Re: Minot AFB oddities, suicides, accidents and murder MASTER THREAD | Quote |
Here's an interesting article from Rense.com today.
Air Force Purge Shows
Brzezinski's TLC Rules DC
By Webster G. Tarpley
6-7-8
WASHINGTON, DC -- Yesterday's extraordinary simultaneous ouster of the Secretary of the Air Force and the Air Force chief of staff, followed by the naming of Trilateral Commissioner and Carter administration veteran James Rodney Schlesinger to purge USAF generals and colonels, dramatically documents the fact that power in Washington DC is no long in the hands of the Bush-Cheney-neocon clique, but has passed to the Brzezinski-Trilateral faction.
Defense Secretary Robert Gates announced the firing of Air Force Secretary Michael W. Wynne and Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. T. Michael Moseley, citing the failure of the Air Force to maintain the security of strategic nuclear forces, as shown in the infamous rogue B-52 incident of late August 2007, when a B-52 intercontinental strategic bomber with six nuclear armed cruise missiles flew from North Dakota to Louisiana totally outside of the purview of the USAF command control and communications systems. Gates also mentioned that four high-tech electrical nosecone fuses for Minuteman nuclear warheads were sent to Taiwan in place of helicopter batteries, along with other failures.
Gates is a leading member of the Principals' Committee, an interagency group which now runs the US government from day to day with scant reference to the discredited outgoing lame ducks Bush and Cheney, who stay on mainly as figureheads. The Principals' Committee has been in charge of the US government since no later than early May, around the time of the Indiana and North Carolina primaries, when the controlled corporate media began trumpeting that Obama was the winner of the Democratic nomination. The Principals' Committee is made up of Pentagon boss Gates, Secretary of State Rice, NSC director Hadley, Joint Chiefs of Staff head Mullen, intelligence czar McConnell, along with a few others. These figures are now marching to the tune of Trilateral Commission bigwigs like Zbigniew Brzezinski, Joseph Nye, and the Rockefeller family. These are the same forces who own and control the Wall Street Manchurian candidate Obama. It is notable that the high- profile purge of the USAF came less than 48 hours after Obama had unilaterally proclaimed himself the Democratic presidential nominee.
The rogue B-52 flew with six nuclear cruise missiles from Minot AFB North Dakota to Barksdale AFB Louisiana last August 30. Source reports published by Wayne Madsen suggest that the B-52 was stopped by patriotic low-level USAF personnel. As the issue of whether to allow the plane to fly on to the Middle East went up the chain of command and expanded to involve the intelligence agencies, it transpired that the majority of the government and the establishment did not want the plane to attack targets in the Middle East. The scandal of the rogue B-52 broke on September 5, and a stand-down and nuclear census of the entire USAF soon followed. According to all indications, the B-52 was under the extra-legal control of the Cheney faction, which evidently planned to fly it to the Middle East and quite possibly use one or more of the nuclear cruise missiles in an attack on Iran and/or Syria, probably in cooperation or coordination with the Israeli air attack on Syria which occurred on September 6. The fact that the B-52 was blocked may have represented the last gasp of the Bush-Cheney- neocon faction, and the beginning of the hegemony of a different and far more dangerous group, namely the Brzezinski-Trilateral faction.
The Gates purge indicates that the new Trilateral masters of Washington DC do not trust the USAF generals who are so deeply compromised with the Bush-Cheney-neocon faction. The USAF was up to its neck in 9/11, and then in the rogue B-52 affair. The Trilaterals are accordingly driving out the old rogues, and replacing them with new rogue generals of their own, who are loyal to the insane Trilateral agenda. Brzezinski does not want nuclear weapons wasted on Iran, which he intends to turn into an expendable puppet or kamikaze pawn in his apocalyptic showdown with Russian and China. This is what Obama's appeasement of Iran actually aims at: Iran as a US asset to be played against Russia and China. Brzezinski wants to be in control of those nukes, since he may soon need them for use against Russia and China. Those who might celebrate the defeat of the Bush-Cheney-neocon group must rather face the fact that the US has just jumped out of the frying pan of conventional invasions and into the fire of looming thermonuclear confrontations among the great powers. This is the real nature of the change for which Obama is the public symbol.
Obama's foreign policy will be dictated in every respect by Trilateral co-founder Brzezinski. Obama is now supported and surrounded by Trilateral members David Rockefeller, Jay Rockefeller, Joseph Nye, Paul Adolph Volcker, Jimmy Carter, and many more. With James "Rodney the Robot" Schlesinger now helping to purge the Pentagon, including its associated intelligence agencies, the Trilateral grip on Washington DC is tightening. Obama's choice of a vice president will be dictated by long-time Trilateral stalwart Jim Johnson.
The rogue B-52 incident was forecast by me in an essay entitled "Cheney Determined to Strike in US with WMD This Summer," issued on July 21, 2007, and widely distributed on the internet and in print form. This was followed by the Kennebunkport Warning, which was posted online in the evening of August 26, 2007, less than 72 hours before the rogue B-52 nuclear missiles were loaded. By September 3, the Kennebunkport Warning was posted on 110,000 web sites worldwide. The precision and timeliness of this warning represent an unprecedented intelligence achievement.
But now, the danger of a US attack on Iran is very low. Brzezinski's hit list is much more ambitious, and includes Sudan, Pakistan, Burma, and China, all stepping stones to the final reckoning with Moscow. The main possibility of an attack on Iran in the present situation comes from disgruntled Israeli factions like the one around Netanyahu who are aghast that they are being demoted from their previous role as the hub of US strategy to the status of just another expendable pawn in Brzezinski's lunatic plan for confrontation with Beijing and Moscow. The Israelis are horrified by Obama, just as everyone in the world should be. The winning faction of the US-UK establishment does not want the attack on Iran, and the Israelis would be foolhardy to try it on their own. The threats today from former IDF chief and Israeli Transport Minister Shaul Mofaz about an Israeli solo attack on Iran because of the failure of economic sanctions to stop nuclear development are indicative of deep discontent, but the guess here is that they are a bluff. We will soon find out: if the Israelis do not strike Iran in the next few weeks, they will have lost their chance as the Trilaterals continue to consolidate their power. |
| Anonymous Coward
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6/7/2008 10:21 AM | | Re: Minot AFB oddities, suicides, accidents and murder MASTER THREAD | Quote |
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| Citizen17 nli
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6/7/2008 11:11 AM | | Re: Minot AFB oddities, suicides, accidents and murder MASTER THREAD | Quote |
what exactly does this mean? aside from too many innocent deaths Quoting: Anonymous Coward 375440
It means they are still trying to find a way to use the stolen nukes. They have fired the top air force brass who won't let the planes leave the ground loaded for bear, so they will just 'promote' those who will.
This whole story is hard to take, but it's gonna be worse for whomever (or wherever) those nukes get dropped...
October surprise, anyone? |
| Anonymous Coward
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6/7/2008 1:29 PM | | Re: Minot AFB oddities, suicides, accidents and murder MASTER THREAD | Quote |
For the shills:
Everyone that has turned up dead was in some way attached to the flight in question. The ones who dies before the actual flight were involved in the preflight planning.
Sgt. Link, Adam Barrs (airman) and Westen Kissel (bomber) were involved in the flight planning.
Todd Blue was the security detail head.
John Frueh was the detailed Captain.
Clint Huff was the strategist that was going public - he was killed along with his wife by another servicemember from Minot, they were stationed nearby Barksdale.
Details on the others is coming. Quoting: 3c? nli 78748 |
| ShadowDancer
User ID: 287857
6/7/2008 1:32 PM
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 HIStory
or HERitage
smoke and fire go hand in hand
fire demons are the nastiest
they obviously believe in sacrifices of many for a few bloodsuckers
*************************************There is an evil tendency underlying all our technology - the tendency to do what is reasonable even when it isn't any good.
- Robert Pirsig
There is little gain in attempting to change external conditions, you must first change the core of inner beliefs, naturally outer conditions will change accordingly.
BECOME it to achieve it.
Wisdom strengthened the wise more than ten mighty men which are in the city. Ecclesiastes 7:19
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| Anonymous Coward
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6/7/2008 2:00 PM | | Re: Minot AFB oddities, suicides, accidents and murder MASTER THREAD | Quote |
CHENEY CANNOT AFFORD TO LEAVE WITNESSES. AFTER THE IRAQ DEBACLE, CHENEY'S CONTINUAL ASSERTIONS OF WMD'S AND THE ENSUING CONgress REPORT THAT BUSH DEFACTO LIED ABOUT INTELLIGENCE AND THE FURTHER ACTIONS OF PLANNING TO ATTACK IRAN I PUT FORTH THE FOLLOWING-
DO YOU BUSH, CHENEY, ET AL REALLY BELIEVE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING? WOULD YOU CARE TO BACK THAT UP WITH YOUR LIVES/ THAT IS TO SAY IF THE IRAN INVASION PROCEEDS AND WE FIND OUT YOU LIED YET AGAIN WE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL SETTLE FOR NOTHING LESS THAN YOUR PUBLIC LYNCHINGS OF YOUR ENTIRE FAMILIES AS WELL AS YOURSELVES. AFTER ALL 'DYNASTIES' BUILT ON DEATH AND CORRUPTION SHOULD RIGHTLY DIENASTY! |
| Anonymous Coward
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6/9/2008 12:16 PM | | Re: Minot AFB oddities, suicides, accidents and murder MASTER THREAD | Quote |
Gates picks new leadership for Air Force
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Monday recommended senior Pentagon official Michael Donley to be secretary of the U.S. Air Force in a shake-up triggered by mistakes in handling nuclear weapons and parts.
Gates also said he recommended Gen. Norton Schwartz as the new Air Force chief of staff.
Gates' recommendations to President George W. Bush come after the Pentagon chief last week forced Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne and Chief of Staff Michael Moseley to resign over errors in the handling of nuclear weapons and parts.
In announcing the resignations, Gates said two incidents -- the shipment of nuclear missile fuses to Taiwan and the cross-country flight by an Air Force bomber wrongly armed with nuclear weapons -- exposed a systemic problem in the Air Force and an erosion of nuclear standards.
"I am confident that Mike Donley, General Schwartz and the new Air Force leadership team have the qualifications, skill and commitment... to guide the Air Force through this transition and beyond," Gates said in a statement.
Donley, who would become the top civilian in charge of the Air Force, is currently director of administration and management for the Department of Defense.
He has previously served as both assistant secretary of the Air Force and as acting secretary of the Air Force.
Schwartz, who would become the service's top general, is commander of U.S. Transportation Command.
He has held a series of jobs working closely with other military services and his appointment may signal that Gates wants to see the Air Force take that approach more broadly. Continued...
[link to www.reuters.com] |
| SrA Smith USAF S. Korea
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6/15/2008 12:23 AM | | Re: Minot AFB oddities, suicides, accidents and murder MASTER THREAD | Quote |
For the shills:
Everyone that has turned up dead was in some way attached to the flight in question. The ones who dies before the actual flight were involved in the preflight planning.
Sgt. Link, Adam Barrs (airman) and Westen Kissel (bomber) were involved in the flight planning.
Todd Blue was the security detail head.
John Frueh was the detailed Captain.
Clint Huff was the strategist that was going public - he was killed along with his wife by another servicemember from Minot, they were stationed nearby Barksdale.
Details on the others is coming. Quoting: 3c? nli 78748
I went to school with Clint Huff at Keesler AFB and was stationed with him at Barksdale. I got an assignment right before his death over to Korea where I am now currently working. I can say without a doubt in my mind that Clint would have nothing to do with a "Conspiracy". First and foremost I know his character, hes a good old country boy from Missouri that just loved drinking beer and playing guitar. He was one of my best friends. Second off, he was only a SrA (Senior Airman) when he died. At that rank, you you dont have any pul to do something like that. And the 26OWS is a pretty much a big training center for new weather troops, not to mention we dont do any flight briefs for aircraft out of there. That would be done at the base weather station. Coming from the inside I would have to say that this all sounds a little silly. Same thing goes for the Amn up at Minot! He was an A1C in Sec Forces! He would NEVER be able to authorise anything like that! With his low rank he would have been checking ID's at the gate. Or at the closest, gaurding the bunker where the nukes are at. He commited suicide because Minot is a shitty assignment and he hated the Air Force. Many ppl in the Air Force or the military in general commit suicide every year. Some ppl just cant handle the stress of changing their lives and joining the military. and for that Para-Weather guy(special Ops), Once again he would never be able to get involved with something like that.. Its just not how things work. I hope this helps out a little, but if you have any questions just ask. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 451777
6/15/2008 12:34 AM | | Re: Minot AFB oddities, suicides, accidents and murder MASTER THREAD | Quote |
I liked it better when all we had to worry about was where the ciggars were. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 446703
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| ShadowDancer
User ID: 287857
6/15/2008 1:01 AM
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CHENEY CANNOT AFFORD TO LEAVE WITNESSES. AFTER THE IRAQ DEBACLE, CHENEY'S CONTINUAL ASSERTIONS OF WMD'S AND THE ENSUING CONgress REPORT THAT BUSH DEFACTO LIED ABOUT INTELLIGENCE AND THE FURTHER ACTIONS OF PLANNING TO ATTACK IRAN I PUT FORTH THE FOLLOWING-
DO YOU BUSH, CHENEY, ET AL REALLY BELIEVE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING? WOULD YOU CARE TO BACK THAT UP WITH YOUR LIVES/ THAT IS TO SAY IF THE IRAN INVASION PROCEEDS AND WE FIND OUT YOU LIED YET AGAIN WE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL SETTLE FOR NOTHING LESS THAN YOUR PUBLIC LYNCHINGS OF YOUR ENTIRE FAMILIES AS WELL AS YOURSELVES. AFTER ALL 'DYNASTIES' BUILT ON DEATH AND CORRUPTION SHOULD RIGHTLY DIENASTY! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 283256
I am confident they will and it will be very nasty-exactly as they moved against the rest of us-as though we were pests to be killed(as fluoride is used for rats and toothpaste)
for truth
sow and reap bloodsuckers-your feeding frenzy has only a short while longer-your names will be mud
MUD
*************************************There is an evil tendency underlying all our technology - the tendency to do what is reasonable even when it isn't any good.
- Robert Pirsig
There is little gain in attempting to change external conditions, you must first change the core of inner beliefs, naturally outer conditions will change accordingly.
BECOME it to achieve it.
Wisdom strengthened the wise more than ten mighty men which are in the city. Ecclesiastes 7:19
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Does the shadow appear to be growing darker? The light that is casting shadows is becoming much brighter; in utter darkness it is luminous. |
| ShadowDancer
User ID: 287857
6/15/2008 2:41 AM
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Back in the early 70s rockefeller with Planned Parenthood stated in a full page ad, "...that we must lower the worlds population by at least 75%..."
and I wondered how
I am not wondering now as it is evident-
I have to question what is meant by this:
GENOCIDE ANNOUNCED/7-June-2008/GENOCIDE ANNOUNCED
"All of the Palestinians must be killed; men, women, infants, and even their beasts." This was the religious opinion issued one week ago by Rabbi Yisrael Rosen, director of the Tsomet Institute, a long-established religious institute attended by students and soldiers in the Israeli settlements of the West Bank. In an article published by numerous religious Israeli newspapers two weeks ago and run by the liberal Haaretz on 26 March, Rosen asserted that there is evidence in the Torah to justify this stand. Rosen, an authority able to issue religious opinions for Jews, wrote that Palestinians are like the nation of Amalekites that attacked the Israelite tribes on their way to Jerusalem after they had fled from Egypt under the leadership of Moses. He wrote that the Lord sent down in the Torah a ruling that allowed the Jews to kill the Amalekites, and that this ruling is known in Jewish jurisprudence.
Rosen's article, which created a lot of noise in Israel, included the text of the ruling in the Torah: "Annihilate the Amalekites from the beginning to the end. Kill them and wrest them from their possessions. Show them no mercy. Kill continuously, one after the other. Leave no child, plant, or tree. Kill their beasts, from camels to donkeys."
Rosen does not hesitate to define the "Amalekites of this age" as the Palestinians. He writes, "those who kill students as they recite the Torah, and fire missiles on the city of Siderot, spread terror in the hearts of men and women. Those who dance over blood are the Amalekites, and we must respond with counter-hatred. We must uproot any trace of humanitarianism in dealing with them so that we emerge victorious."
"The true outrage is that most of those authorised to issue Jewish religious opinions support the view of Rabbi Rosen, as confirmed by Haaretz newspaper. At the head of those supporting his opinion is Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu, the leading religious authority in Israel's religious national current, and former chief Eastern rabbi for Israel. Rosen's opinion also has the support of Rabbi Dov Lior, president of the Council of Rabbis of Judea and Samaria (the West Bank), and Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu, the chief rabbi of Safed and a candidate for the post of chief rabbi of Israel. A number of political leaders in Israel have also shown enthusiasm for the opinion, including Ori Lubiansky, head of the Jerusalem municipality."
[link to www.jerusalem-holy-land.org]
[link to www.rense.com]
Again I am questioning the connections and the threads weaved ever so tightly. No longer perplexed by rockefellers statement almost 40 yrs back, nor do I wonder how this 'agenda' will be actualized...but I question the timing of the missing nukes and the strike by israel on the 6th...and the threats so readily enacted.
I have seen errors on both sides and find difficulty with either groups religious 'understanding' and the long-standing conflicts which is a bitter blood battle so plainly evident. Regardless, our involvement or complicity with these genocides is an abomination imo
Anyone promoting a culture of death loses credibility with me
every choice has consequences-choose wisely, choose wisely
Each of us will live or die by them, there is no reprieve from the accounting-
trilateral is in the same basket as IMF,CFR.and all the other cronies who enjoy the revolving door and all the perks they exploit
For them, exploitation is a job requirement
*************************************There is an evil tendency underlying all our technology - the tendency to do what is reasonable even when it isn't any good.
- Robert Pirsig
There is little gain in attempting to change external conditions, you must first change the core of inner beliefs, naturally outer conditions will change accordingly.
BECOME it to achieve it.
Wisdom strengthened the wise more than ten mighty men which are in the city. Ecclesiastes 7:19
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Does the shadow appear to be growing darker? The light that is casting shadows is becoming much brighter; in utter darkness it is luminous. |
| ShadowDancer
User ID: 287857
6/15/2008 3:25 AM
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Clint Huff was the strategist that was going public - he was killed along with his wife by another servicemember from Minot, they were stationed nearby Barksdale.
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That is not even a valid link as 3 of the 6 were not even stationed at Minot.
So they were somehow forced to try to pass a van on a motorcycle in a no passing zone? How stupid do you think we are? Go tell your lies somewhere else. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 410120
believe everything you are told?Two AFB are involved initially-struggle in mathclass much? (eg.,Minot AND Barksdale)
Low rate shill
*************************************There is an evil tendency underlying all our technology - the tendency to do what is reasonable even when it isn't any good.
- Robert Pirsig
There is little gain in attempting to change external conditions, you must first change the core of inner beliefs, naturally outer conditions will change accordingly.
BECOME it to achieve it.
Wisdom strengthened the wise more than ten mighty men which are in the city. Ecclesiastes 7:19
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Does the shadow appear to be growing darker? The light that is casting shadows is becoming much brighter; in utter darkness it is luminous. |
| ShadowDancer
User ID: 287857
6/15/2008 4:01 AM
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You didn't expect the Iranians to be actually firing these weapons did you ? hmmmm ?
OK so the Chinese had to think they were getting a slice of the action against America in a covert manner.
The Syrians had to think that they were getting a slice of the action against America in a covert manner.
The Israelis had to be kept in the dark at all costs, even if it meant a few cases of terminal cancer caused by lead poisoning. Invariably its a brain cancer.
Think big.
Think OIL FIELDS.
Here is the Kicker.
The British - yes the British had to be kept in the dark as well as it was to be they who also took a round right into their tent city.
The Saudis had to be kept in the dark - they were getting the good news too - this alliance had to suceed at all costs. Including a thirty thousand casualty list for the USA.
Think BIG, think GLOBAL.
Then, suprise fucking suprise China gets fingered for the triggers if they even squeek a pip the wrong way.
Think GLOBAL here people.
A global coalition against Iran, the west and Islamic countries join forces and take Iran. The oil wells are the spoils and Halliburton reap the riches.
You don't think they built the nuclear bunker in the new embassy in Iraq as a joke do you ?
Uhh huh, no Sir they did not.
The weatherman was needed plain and simple because to launch against Iran they needed targetting data from within iran.... thats what he was told... in fact he would of been a 'witness' to these terrible missiles leaving Iran and paraded on national US televison as 'proof'..
uhh huh, they really are that fucking mean and nasty in a twisted way through and through.
Clear that up for you ? hope so. Patriots died because they knew what was right and what was a plot by a mad man in a mad palace wanting world wide destruction and death for corporate gain. Quoting: .////. 446726
all that perverse greed and 'elephantine' ideations of being a demigogue have driven him mad...and the heart...enlarged and filled with fluid has no saving grace in the spirit of that one-I would not be surprised if he gets cancer as well-dank and deeply buried-for the way he plots the deaths of millions he shall not be able to hide the blood
It is smeared around his crooked sneer. Reminds me of a PIG, the way they will cannibalize anything in their pen. Patriots died because they were willing to take the hit for the rest of us and the dream of liberty. They shall be remembered as martyrs for the cause-while others shall be thought of as less than human, likely proven true
*************************************There is an evil tendency underlying all our technology - the tendency to do what is reasonable even when it isn't any good.
- Robert Pirsig
There is little gain in attempting to change external conditions, you must first change the core of inner beliefs, naturally outer conditions will change accordingly.
BECOME it to achieve it.
Wisdom strengthened the wise more than ten mighty men which are in the city. Ecclesiastes 7:19
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Does the shadow appear to be growing darker? The light that is casting shadows is becoming much brighter; in utter darkness it is luminous. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 451777
6/15/2008 4:15 AM | | Re: Minot AFB oddities, suicides, accidents and murder MASTER THREAD | Quote |
The planes were turned around by something like a snake in the sky-a river rattler snake. I saw this in a dream. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 451777
6/15/2008 4:33 AM | | Re: Minot AFB oddities, suicides, accidents and murder MASTER THREAD | Quote |
 there were flying snakes with rattles and they came up out a river like flying fish and they went up very high and came down around the planes-maybe three planes- and they maybe 4 or 5 of them; made a circle around the planes by joining heads to tails. Then they were joined like one big snake and they were glowing or shining brightly and they went round and round and turned the planes-turned them back in another direction. didn't make sense. |
| killdamon
User ID: 444686
7/21/2008 11:37 PM | | Re: Minot AFB oddities, suicides, accidents and murder MASTER THREAD | Quote |
Hummm, heres something new:
Crash Of B-52 Bomber Off Guam Kills At Least 3
B-52 crashes off coast of Guam
7/21/2008 - ANDERSEN AIR FORCE BASE, Guam (AFNS) -- A B-52 Stratofortress crashed today at approximately 9:45 a.m. local time off the northwest coast of Guam. Emergency responders are on scene working to locate the six crewmembers on board. No information is available regarding the status of the crew.
The B-52 was deployed to Andersen AFB from Barksdale AFB, La., as part of the Department of Defense's continuous bomber presence mission in the Pacific.
A board of officers will investigate the accident. More information will be released as soon as it becomes available.
That plane was based out of the Barksdale AFB in LA., and took off from there too.
[link to www.globalsecurity.org]
Just passing thru.
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NasTraDooMis - Aka, killdamon |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 471623
7/21/2008 11:55 PM | | Re: Minot AFB oddities, suicides, accidents and murder MASTER THREAD | Quote |
The US has a lot of stuff goin' down around the Pacific Rim. |
| Enlilson
The Sons of Enlil live.
User ID: 457613
7/22/2008 7:29 AM
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BBC version: Gen T Michael Moseley, the chief of staff, and Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne were both asked to resign by Defense Secretary Robert Gates.
Mr Gates told reporters that the security of US nuclear weapons and parts had been in question.
One incident involved the sending of nuclear weapons fuses to Taiwan.
Mr Gates said he had accepted the two men's resignations and that he would announce their replacements at a later time.
He also announced that former Defence Secretary James Schlesinger would head a senior level task force to "recommend improvements necessary to ensure that the highest levels of accountability and control are maintained in the stewardship of nuclear weapons".
damn, i have read so much in the last thirty minutes i can't keep it all straight, but the fuses for nuke missiles are very sophisticated, and small, the article said that a country like china probably did not have them, but if they went to taiwan, i would think the next stop would be obvious
funny how each president has been giving out parts of an ICBM to china, i would think the fuse would be the last item on the list Quoting: malu
Do you know where the magnets are manufactured to control the ICBM, Hint we have to import them now.
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| ZOSIME
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7/22/2008 7:35 AM
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wow if there is some truth to all of this, this thread won't be around much longer |
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