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| Vaccinations and Autism, ADHD -- MUST READ !!
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 401342
6/10/2008 5:58 AM
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In 1983, the Centers for Disease Control recommended a total of 10 vaccines for our children. In 2007, the CDC recommends 36, an increase of 260%. Yet, no studies have ever been done to compare neurological disorder ("ND") rates of unvaccinated children to vaccinated children. We commissioned a national market research firm to survey more than 13,000 children in California and Oregon.
Read the results here:
[link to educate-yourself.org] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 401342 (OP)
6/10/2008 8:55 AM | | Re: Vaccinations and Autism, ADHD -- MUST READ !! | Quote |
 for the morning crew. |
| Just Speak
User ID: 440927
6/10/2008 9:05 AM
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I do believe that there are WAY too many vaccines out there..
I do believe that they're forcing WAY too many vaccines on kids in a single office visit..
I do believe that it's not necessarily a bad thing to let kids get things (like Chicken Pox). No, nobody wants their children to be sick, but I had Chicken Pox when I was 2, and I'm ok.
Do I believe that all cases of Autism are directly related to vaccines? No. Some, perhaps. I think some people's bodies are more susceptible to "attack" by all sorts of things.. boys tend to be more vulnerable, even in the womb. SO I personally think genetics and the environment play just as big a part in Autism as vaccines (for some kids).
I am a mother of a child with Autism, and I don't believe vaccines are the reason why he has it. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 448544
6/10/2008 9:11 AM | | Re: Vaccinations and Autism, ADHD -- MUST READ !! | Quote |
I do believe that there are WAY too many vaccines out there..
I do believe that they're forcing WAY too many vaccines on kids in a single office visit..
I do believe that it's not necessarily a bad thing to let kids get things (like Chicken Pox). No, nobody wants their children to be sick, but I had Chicken Pox when I was 2, and I'm ok.
Do I believe that all cases of Autism are directly related to vaccines? No. Some, perhaps. I think some people's bodies are more susceptible to "attack" by all sorts of things.. boys tend to be more vulnerable, even in the womb. SO I personally think genetics and the environment play just as big a part in Autism as vaccines (for some kids).
I am a mother of a child with Autism, and I don't believe vaccines are the reason why he has it. Quoting: Just Speak
i had cicken pox when i was about 4 or 5 it was great fun, my sisters got it too. Why would you care about it? you then get a natural immune defense to it later on in life. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 401342 (OP)
6/10/2008 9:23 AM | | Re: Vaccinations and Autism, ADHD -- MUST READ !! | Quote |
Ok, but the facts are the facts.
In the '80s only 10 vaccines were recommended per kid.
Now it's 36!!
Come on, no one can honestly say there is no correlation--or at least some major suspicion about an almost 4-fold increase in vaccinations per child!
Don't be so blind people. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 438809
6/10/2008 9:33 AM | | Re: Vaccinations and Autism, ADHD -- MUST READ !! | Quote |
Its forced by the government, and pushed by big pharm companies and you all think vaccinations are safe for us all?? LMAO |
| Just Speak
User ID: 440927
6/10/2008 10:02 AM
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Ok, but the facts are the facts.
In the '80s only 10 vaccines were recommended per kid.
Now it's 36!!
Come on, no one can honestly say there is no correlation--or at least some major suspicion about an almost 4-fold increase in vaccinations per child!
Don't be so blind people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 401342
I'm not blind. Nor did I say there isn't any correlation. I'm saying that I don't believe vaccines are the reason why EVERY child has Autism. I don't believe it's why my son has it. I'm not doubting that for some kids, it was the trigger. My cousin has Autism, and his mother swears her son completely changed after his 2-yr shots. She feels it in her gut, and has attended hearings and all sorts of events.. in her son's case, she may be right. I'm just saying I don't believe vaccines are the cause of Autism for EVERY child. |
| Just Speak
User ID: 440927
6/10/2008 10:06 AM
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Its forced by the government, and pushed by big pharm companies and you all think vaccinations are safe for us all?? LMAO Quoting: Anonymous Coward 438809
Wow. What thread are you reading? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 321994
6/10/2008 4:59 PM | | Re: Vaccinations and Autism, ADHD -- MUST READ !! | Quote |
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| mirabilis
User ID: 447139
6/10/2008 5:06 PM
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I'm not blind. Nor did I say there isn't any correlation. I'm saying that I don't believe vaccines are the reason why EVERY child has Autism. I don't believe it's why my son has it. I'm not doubting that for some kids, it was the trigger. My cousin has Autism, and his mother swears her son completely changed after his 2-yr shots. She feels it in her gut, and has attended hearings and all sorts of events.. in her son's case, she may be right. I'm just saying I don't believe vaccines are the cause of Autism for EVERY child. Quoting: Just Speak
I totally agree with you Just Speak. I also have an autistic child and I know that he was obviously and unmistakeably autist from birth, long before he reached the age for vaccination.
Autism seems to have become the modern bogey man - "don't do this, that or the other or the autism will get your child". Frankly I would rather have an autistic, vaccinated and alive child than a 'normal', unvaccinated and dead from polio/tetanus/diptheria/measels etc etc child.
"As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light of meaning in the darkness of mere being" Carl Jung |
| Ignatius J. Reilly
User ID: 417335
6/10/2008 6:29 PM | | Re: Vaccinations and Autism, ADHD -- MUST READ !! | Quote |
I'm not blind. Nor did I say there isn't any correlation. I'm saying that I don't believe vaccines are the reason why EVERY child has Autism. I don't believe it's why my son has it. I'm not doubting that for some kids, it was the trigger. My cousin has Autism, and his mother swears her son completely changed after his 2-yr shots. She feels it in her gut, and has attended hearings and all sorts of events.. in her son's case, she may be right. I'm just saying I don't believe vaccines are the cause of Autism for EVERY child.
I totally agree with you Just Speak. I also have an autistic child and I know that he was obviously and unmistakeably autist from birth, long before he reached the age for vaccination.
Autism seems to have become the modern bogey man - "don't do this, that or the other or the autism will get your child". Frankly I would rather have an autistic, vaccinated and alive child than a 'normal', unvaccinated and dead from polio/tetanus/diptheria/measels etc etc child. Quoting: mirabilis
I applaud you for your bravery and for sharing your story. I wish you and your child the best. If you have the patience, autistic people are some of the most beautiful humans alive. They really are in touch with a deep brilliance that most of us cannot fathom, it's hard to see through all the trouble they display publicly.
I just wanted to post that everyone in my family on both sides for as long as I can tell have all been vaccinated and we have no incidence of autism yet, not ever. You're right, so many people are just afraid. of everything. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 401342 (OP)
6/11/2008 5:05 AM | | Re: Vaccinations and Autism, ADHD -- MUST READ !! | Quote |
I'm not blind. Nor did I say there isn't any correlation. I'm saying that I don't believe vaccines are the reason why EVERY child has Autism. I don't believe it's why my son has it. I'm not doubting that for some kids, it was the trigger. My cousin has Autism, and his mother swears her son completely changed after his 2-yr shots. She feels it in her gut, and has attended hearings and all sorts of events.. in her son's case, she may be right. I'm just saying I don't believe vaccines are the cause of Autism for EVERY child.
I totally agree with you Just Speak. I also have an autistic child and I know that he was obviously and unmistakeably autist from birth, long before he reached the age for vaccination.
Autism seems to have become the modern bogey man - "don't do this, that or the other or the autism will get your child". Frankly I would rather have an autistic, vaccinated and alive child than a 'normal', unvaccinated and dead from polio/tetanus/diptheria/measels etc etc child.
I applaud you for your bravery and for sharing your story. I wish you and your child the best. If you have the patience, autistic people are some of the most beautiful humans alive. They really are in touch with a deep brilliance that most of us cannot fathom, it's hard to see through all the trouble they display publicly.
I just wanted to post that everyone in my family on both sides for as long as I can tell have all been vaccinated and we have no incidence of autism yet, not ever. You're right, so many people are just afraid. of everything. Quoting: Ignatius J. Reilly 417335
You're missing the goddamn point.
Of course everyone in your family has been vaccinated, however it's the sheer amount of vaccines that're being used by TPTB today that are causing these neurological disorders to become pushed to the extreme.
Again---only 10 shots pushed in the '80s, but 36 today!!
How can anyone be so clueless to this very simple correllation?? |
| mirabilis
User ID: 447139
6/11/2008 5:45 AM
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You're missing the goddamn point.
Of course everyone in your family has been vaccinated, however it's the sheer amount of vaccines that're being used by TPTB today that are causing these neurological disorders to become pushed to the extreme.
Again---only 10 shots pushed in the '80s, but 36 today!!
How can anyone be so clueless to this very simple correllation?? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 401342
Correlation is not causation.
Everything from electro-magnetic fields to food additives has increased between the 1980s and today - how do you presume to unravel all those threads of possible causes to find the culprit if such a thing even exists? How even can you be so sure that the increase of autism isn't an evolutionary process unfolding in front of our eyes?
"As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light of meaning in the darkness of mere being" Carl Jung |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 321994
6/11/2008 11:53 AM | | Re: Vaccinations and Autism, ADHD -- MUST READ !! | Quote |
You're missing the goddamn point.
Of course everyone in your family has been vaccinated, however it's the sheer amount of vaccines that're being used by TPTB today that are causing these neurological disorders to become pushed to the extreme.
Again---only 10 shots pushed in the '80s, but 36 today!!
How can anyone be so clueless to this very simple correllation??
Correlation is not causation.
Everything from electro-magnetic fields to food additives has increased between the 1980s and today - how do you presume to unravel all those threads of possible causes to find the culprit if such a thing even exists? How even can you be so sure that the increase of autism isn't an evolutionary process unfolding in front of our eyes? Quoting: mirabilis
Evolutionary process unfolding at, what, 1000%+ since the 1980s?
There are indeed other factors at stake IMHO, however no one in their right mind can say that a 3.5 times increase in immunizations per child in the last 2 decades would not effect neurological systems--especially in newborn or extremely young children with almost zero defenses to counter such "brain attacks".
It's obvious you're a big pharma shill anyway, so good luck with that! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 9724
6/11/2008 12:01 PM | | Re: Vaccinations and Autism, ADHD -- MUST READ !! | Quote |
Autisn is a birth defect. Heavy metal poisoning may make it worse but will not cause it. |
| mirabilis
User ID: 447139
6/11/2008 12:03 PM
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Evolutionary process unfolding at, what, 1000%+ since the 1980s?
There are indeed other factors at stake IMHO, however no one in their right mind can say that a 3.5 times increase in immunizations per child in the last 2 decades would not effect neurological systems--especially in newborn or extremely young children with almost zero defenses to counter such "brain attacks".
It's obvious you're a big pharma shill anyway, so good luck with that!
No, just a parent exasperated at the whole debate constantly getting stuck at the vaccinations point and other possible causes not being examined. Even more exasperated at the implication inherent in most autism/vaccination debates that autism is the worse thing that can happen to your child - it really isn't, just ask a bereaved parent which they would have preferred. Do you need to be a shill to see how childhood deaths from all these diseases have gone down since vaccination programmes were introduced? Whatever other problems may come from vaccinations you don't see kids in iron lungs after contracting polio any more and that gets my vote.
Incidentally, what proof do you have that vaccinations would affect neurological systems as oppose to say, respiratory systems or digestive systems? Just because it seems 'common sense' to you, doesn't make it true.
"As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light of meaning in the darkness of mere being" Carl Jung |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 321994
6/11/2008 12:22 PM | | Re: Vaccinations and Autism, ADHD -- MUST READ !! | Quote |
Evolutionary process unfolding at, what, 1000%+ since the 1980s?
There are indeed other factors at stake IMHO, however no one in their right mind can say that a 3.5 times increase in immunizations per child in the last 2 decades would not effect neurological systems--especially in newborn or extremely young children with almost zero defenses to counter such "brain attacks".
It's obvious you're a big pharma shill anyway, so good luck with that!
No, just a parent exasperated at the whole debate constantly getting stuck at the vaccinations point and other possible causes not being examined. Even more exasperated at the implication inherent in most autism/vaccination debates that autism is the worse thing that can happen to your child - it really isn't, just ask a bereaved parent which they would have preferred. Do you need to be a shill to see how childhood deaths from all these diseases have gone down since vaccination programmes were introduced? Whatever other problems may come from vaccinations you don't see kids in iron lungs after contracting polio any more and that gets my vote.
Incidentally, what proof do you have that vaccinations would affect neurological systems as oppose to say, respiratory systems or digestive systems? Just because it seems 'common sense' to you, doesn't make it true.
Of course there are things MUCH worse than autism, but please don't use that to evade the obvious.
Vaccination is the only medical procedure & medical product that is forced upon us by law -- I'm assuming you're okay with this government intervention upon our most defenseless citizens (our newborns).
How's this for proof, or at least VERY compeling evidence of an immunization/autism/neurological link:
[link to www.medicalnewstoday.com]
[link to www.cbsnews.com] |
| mirabilis
User ID: 447139
6/11/2008 12:34 PM
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Of course there are things MUCH worse than autism, but please don't use that to evade the obvious.
Vaccination is the only medical procedure & medical product that is forced upon us by law -- I'm assuming you're okay with this government intervention upon our most defenseless citizens (our newborns).
How's this for proof, or at least VERY compeling evidence of an immunization/autism/neurological link:
[ link to www.medicalnewstoday.com]
[ link to www.cbsnews.com]
I don't live in the US - in the UK it is not forced on anyone. I will read the links later when I have more time.
However, in the meantime one thought - you keep on using words like 'obvious' and assuming that everyone sees what you see - not the case at all and no basis for an argument.
Back later.
"As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light of meaning in the darkness of mere being" Carl Jung |
| PACNWguy 
User ID: 366950
6/11/2008 12:36 PM
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The problem, if there is a problem appears to be the grouping of all of them in a couple of shots.
What is the problem of doing them two or three at each visit over a year or more?
They probably dont sell the vaccines in individual doses. Just in cocktails now.
OBAMA - THE FASTEST FAILED PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY |
| mirabilis
User ID: 447139
6/11/2008 2:41 PM
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Quoting: Anonymous Coward 321994
OK, I've read your links now.
The second story I will largely ignore because it is the same circumstantial evidence that occurs in all such cases and I will just repeat that one form of autism causes such regression in apparently normal children and it does so at around 18 months old - it just happens to coincide with the age at which many vaccines are given. It is understandable that parents watching their child lose its ability to speak and regress into repetitive behaviours etc will look for someone or something to blame. I really do feel for them, but it does not mean that the vaccines are to blame, this also happens to children who have not been vaccinated if they have that type of regressive autism.
The first link is more interesting - if the results can be reproduced then it certainly indicates a connection that needs investigating. There is however a world of difference between 'autistism-like symptoms' and a definite diagnosis of autism. There are other studies that show that autism correlates with a number of brain differences that are present before birth especially in the size and development of the hippocampus (I believe). Differences that are present before birth do not tie in easily with the idea of vaccination-related autism although I suppose that the pre-existing differences might be exacerbated by the vaccine. I still do not think that it is a simple causative relationship.
"As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light of meaning in the darkness of mere being" Carl Jung |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 321994
6/11/2008 3:35 PM | | Re: Vaccinations and Autism, ADHD -- MUST READ !! | Quote |
How's this for proof, or at least VERY compeling evidence of an immunization/autism/neurological link:
[ link to www.medicalnewstoday.com]
[ link to www.cbsnews.com]
OK, I've read your links now.
The second story I will largely ignore because it is the same circumstantial evidence that occurs in all such cases and I will just repeat that one form of autism causes such regression in apparently normal children and it does so at around 18 months old - it just happens to coincide with the age at which many vaccines are given. It is understandable that parents watching their child lose its ability to speak and regress into repetitive behaviours etc will look for someone or something to blame. I really do feel for them, but it does not mean that the vaccines are to blame, this also happens to children who have not been vaccinated if they have that type of regressive autism.
The first link is more interesting - if the results can be reproduced then it certainly indicates a connection that needs investigating. There is however a world of difference between 'autistism-like symptoms' and a definite diagnosis of autism. There are other studies that show that autism correlates with a number of brain differences that are present before birth especially in the size and development of the hippocampus (I believe). Differences that are present before birth do not tie in easily with the idea of vaccination-related autism although I suppose that the pre-existing differences might be exacerbated by the vaccine. I still do not think that it is a simple causative relationship.
From the 1st link:
"The government recently conceded a federal vaccine court case which agreed that a child regressed into autism as a result of 9 vaccines given on one day."
If that's not an admission, I don't know what is!
There we have a government concession to autism as a result of heavy vaccination use--it does not get any more clear than that, I'm afraid.
Vaccines DO INDEED cause autism. The proof is in the government admission, court case, and anecdotal evidence over the past 2 decades from an almost 4-fold increase in mandated vaccines.
We need to get on the same team with this issue otherwise it will not be corrected. |
| mirabilis
User ID: 447139
6/11/2008 3:53 PM
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From the 1st link:
"The government recently conceded a federal vaccine court case which agreed that a child regressed into autism as a result of 9 vaccines given on one day."
If that's not an admission, I don't know what is!
There we have a government concession to autism as a result of heavy vaccination use--it does not get any more clear than that, I'm afraid.
Vaccines DO INDEED cause autism. The proof is in the government admission, court case, and anecdotal evidence over the past 2 decades from an almost 4-fold increase in mandated vaccines.
We need to get on the same team with this issue otherwise it will not be corrected. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 321994
I can only repeat at the risk of infuriating you that I don't think that it is that simple. If vaccine causes autism then why do most children who are vaccinated not develop autism. If it is a straightforward causal relationship then why do autistic children have neuralogical differences before birth? I agree that more research should be done but I don't think that even stopping vaccination programmes would make much difference to the autism rates.
Many things can result in autistic-like behaviours - illness, accidents, trauma etc. One person might have a blow to the head and develop autistic-type traits but you would not describe the person as being clinically autistic would you? I believe that you would say that the person had brain damage that made them display certain traits. Perhaps vaccines can cause certain people to display such traits, but then vaccines can cause some children to have febrile convulsions too, but again you wouldn't say that those children were epilectic. Autism is a much more complex set of symptoms, thought patterns and behaviours than is generally realised and carries with it an entire different way of seeing the world, not just the rocking, finger-flapping, non-verbal traits that it is often portrayed as. Those traits are only the tip of the ice-berg and I cannot believe truly that a vaccine can bring about an entire shift of a person's perception of the world. I can only speak here as someone who has lived alongside autism for 8 years - it is not merely a set of behaviours, my son genuinly perceives the world differently.
"As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light of meaning in the darkness of mere being" Carl Jung |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 321994
6/11/2008 6:02 PM | | Re: Vaccinations and Autism, ADHD -- MUST READ !! | Quote |
From the 1st link:
"The government recently conceded a federal vaccine court case which agreed that a child regressed into autism as a result of 9 vaccines given on one day."
If that's not an admission, I don't know what is!
There we have a government concession to autism as a result of heavy vaccination use--it does not get any more clear than that, I'm afraid.
Vaccines DO INDEED cause autism. The proof is in the government admission, court case, and anecdotal evidence over the past 2 decades from an almost 4-fold increase in mandated vaccines.
We need to get on the same team with this issue otherwise it will not be corrected.
I can only repeat at the risk of infuriating you that I don't think that it is that simple. If vaccine causes autism then why do most children who are vaccinated not develop autism. If it is a straightforward causal relationship then why do autistic children have neuralogical differences before birth? I agree that more research should be done but I don't think that even stopping vaccination programmes would make much difference to the autism rates.
Many things can result in autistic-like behaviours - illness, accidents, trauma etc. One person might have a blow to the head and develop autistic-type traits but you would not describe the person as being clinically autistic would you? I believe that you would say that the person had brain damage that made them display certain traits. Perhaps vaccines can cause certain people to display such traits, but then vaccines can cause some children to have febrile convulsions too, but again you wouldn't say that those children were epilectic. Autism is a much more complex set of symptoms, thought patterns and behaviours than is generally realised and carries with it an entire different way of seeing the world, not just the rocking, finger-flapping, non-verbal traits that it is often portrayed as. Those traits are only the tip of the ice-berg and I cannot believe truly that a vaccine can bring about an entire shift of a person's perception of the world. I can only speak here as someone who has lived alongside autism for 8 years - it is not merely a set of behaviours, my son genuinly perceives the world differently. Quoting: mirabilis
It appears that you're sort of "on the fence" about the issue--which I can respect. I will also agree there can be so many varying factors when dealing with anything symptomatic of neurological disorders and the like, due to sheer complexity of the brain.
However, answer me this---would you allow any of your future offspring to be immunized? |
| mirabilis
User ID: 447139
6/11/2008 6:29 PM
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However, answer me this---would you allow any of your future offspring to be immunized? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 321994
As things stand at present? Yes - my knowledge (and fear of) the 'common' childhood diseases outweighs what I would perceive to be the possible risk from vaccination. There again, as I started by saying, my son was very overtly autistic from birth so it is not like there is that question mark in my mind about his condition - equally luckily he is one of my youngest(twins)and is likely to remain so, meaning that the difficult vaccination questions are behind me. I have four children ranging from 18 - 8 and they were all vaccinated although I think that we have fewer vaccinations here and they are done later than in the US.
"As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light of meaning in the darkness of mere being" Carl Jung |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 401342 (OP)
6/11/2008 10:24 PM | | Re: Vaccinations and Autism, ADHD -- MUST READ !! | Quote |
However, answer me this---would you allow any of your future offspring to be immunized?
As things stand at present? Yes - my knowledge (and fear of) the 'common' childhood diseases outweighs what I would perceive to be the possible risk from vaccination. There again, as I started by saying, my son was very overtly autistic from birth so it is not like there is that question mark in my mind about his condition - equally luckily he is one of my youngest(twins)and is likely to remain so, meaning that the difficult vaccination questions are behind me. I have four children ranging from 18 - 8 and they were all vaccinated although I think that we have fewer vaccinations here and they are done later than in the US. Quoting: mirabilis
What "common" childhood diseases are you referencing??
Nothing about these vaccines is for current "common" diseases--those "common" diseases have been virtually eliminated!
Vaccines are simply very old medicine--extremely outdated, and no doubt in my mind, the cause of many neurological and autoimmune illnesses that children suffer from today.
As well as a fucking cash cow for big pharma. Keep playing into their hands, suckers, and watch your babies suffer due to your stupidity.
:retard: |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 314389
6/11/2008 11:41 PM | | Re: Vaccinations and Autism, ADHD -- MUST READ !! | Quote |
Sorry if this was already said, but autism comes from toxemia. Metals & pathogens primarily, but plenty of other goodies like plastics, pharmaceuticals & products full of chemicals.
I'm recovering a previously autistic pre-teen through bio-med and mild chelation. She's happier than she's ever been and recovering nicely.
Get away from the toxins, repair the digestive system, cleanse the organs, support the body's nutritional needs and chelate the crap out. Start with digestive enzymes, and expect about 3 weeks of increased symptoms as the digestive system begins to heal. My daughter was able to look me in the eyes for the first time ever, on day 3 of high quality enzymes.
Some nuts are harder to crack than others, but I fully belief that all toxin-damaged children can be recovered. Depending on how you do it, you might have to spend many thousands, but it's well worth it.
If you are pretty smart (and not too damaged yourself - toxemia passes through the dna from parent to child) you can do the bio-med without a doctor. Thousands of parents are recovering their children in this manner, all across the country.
There are a number of groups dedicated to biomed and chelation, easily found with a quick search.
As far as vaccines go, I believe the science behind the whole premise is bogus. Raising titers does not protect from disease whatsoever. I've never seen ANY proof that any vaccine EVER reduced disease. Before some screams out "polio", I would suggest you do your homework. Polio had run it's course before the vaccine was introduced, and the kids in the iron lungs were VACCINATED children, not the unvaccinated. The unvaccinated recovered. Again - RESEARCH IT YOURSELF.
Great movie exposing some of the truth about vaccines - I think it was called the Hidden Truth about Vaccinations or something like that. Well worth watching, world class scientists, data the government does not want you to see. It was on youtube or google last time I looked. |
| mirabilis
User ID: 447139
6/12/2008 6:49 AM
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What "common" childhood diseases are you referencing??
Nothing about these vaccines is for current "common" diseases--those "common" diseases have been virtually eliminated!
Vaccines are simply very old medicine--extremely outdated, and no doubt in my mind, the cause of many neurological and autoimmune illnesses that children suffer from today.
As well as a fucking cash cow for big pharma. Keep playing into their hands, suckers, and watch your babies suffer due to your stupidity.
To the best of my knowledge the only disease that is considered to be eradicated is smallpox. It is considered eradicated because the immunisation programme worked. Many other childhood diseases have become less common in the general population again because immunisation has worked and created 'herd immunity'. However, unvaccinated children do still sometimes die from measles, rubella, tetanus, whooping cough and menengitis. The low incidence of many of these diseases holds true only for the developed world - they all still kill many children just one plane ride away. Some diseases are on the increase such as drug-resistant TB and other diseases of poverty.
Incidentally I would prefer it if you could avoid using personal insults - they demean you and undermine your argument.
"As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light of meaning in the darkness of mere being" Carl Jung |
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