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I've been through the desert on a thread with no name
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DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 450650
6/12/2008 11:01 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I AM AN AMETEUR ASTRONOMER!
Yesterday, I noticed the sun was out of place. No question about it.
I have no pictures, no charts, no equipment.
I do, however, have a brain and my word!
Let me get this straight... You claim to be an amateur astronomer, but you have no equipment and can't spell "amateur"?
My patio and garden has a portion of space that never sees direct sunlight before the afternoon hours.
But you admit that you only had ONE previous year to determine that, remember?
The house shades that portion. Yesterday, my entire patio was in direct sunlight in the morning around 9-10am. This morning I went outside to check and it was back where it should be, as far as I can tell.
You are claiming that the sun's position changed radically IN ONE DAY??? You are a fucking loony toon.
History of my patio does not lie!
You are simply mistaken. Live with it.
I do not use illegal substances!
I have an IQ of 157!
People can lie to other people, but you can't lie to yourself.
Regardless of what Menow and other 'know-it-alls' say, the Sun wasn't where it belongs June 12th 2008 around 9-10am.
And then it scooted back to where it belongs? See above. Loony toon.
Menow, you are a very disturbed individual. You must be, to argue every single post with such aggression and insulting nature. Are you paid to spread lies/cover the truth? Yeah, you must be paid by the post. What is it, $0.12 per posting?
Take it for what it is, or don't take it at all. My posting contributes, and does not pollute these forums with instant disagreement and conflict.
Peace!
I do take it for what it clearly is. An error in observation. Quoting: Menow 449281
The earth could be wobbling from time to time. You haters would never allow that to be a possibility. Easier to hate. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 448220
6/12/2008 11:06 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Who is talking about hate. When faced with rational evidence as presented by Menow, you people freak out and go paranoid. Why does my sundial still work? Why does the pyramid at Chichen Itza still mark the equinox at the precise moment, just as it has for more than a thousand years? If you can give me a credible explanation for that, I will concede that you may be right. Otherwise, it will be obvious that you can't make a credible observation because you don't know how things are supposed to be in the first place. |
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Geogal
User ID: 373387
6/12/2008 11:07 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
does Brunton count as a compass for your definiton? ;}
I sincerely doubt any of you landlubbers has a compass, or a real horizon to Quoting: Mexican 450655 |
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Earnest
User ID: 450927
6/12/2008 11:11 PM
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18 pages of "Yes it is!, Yes it is!!, Yes it is, with nothing more than "I can see it". No measurements, no corroborating data. Just baseless claims and the obtuse ignoring of the obvious lack of any alarm being spread by actual meterologists, independent astronomers, or any other knowlegeable source.
Yet Dr. Postmans thread [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] which links to several sites that obviously make the Chicken Littles uncomfortable sits stagnant 4 pages down with 9 replies, and nothing from the GLP "scientists".
How wonderfully predictable.
Zetas and GLP Phd's wrong again! 
Reality is interesting enough. |
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DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 450650
6/12/2008 11:12 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
WE WILL SOON KNOW IF THE SUN REALLY MOVES NORTH.
BUT ALL SIGNS SHOW EVERYTHING IS NORMAL.
you may be right. im just asking. i think the argument is the earth tilt changed, not that the sun moved.
OK... I have to ask...
why do you think the earths tilt has changed? THink it happened before or it can just suddenly happen? How do you think the planet would suddenly change it's rotation axis without a very large event or amount of energy forcing it? What do you think that large amount of energy would have done to all life on the planet?
I am not saying it has. I am questioning it and it is possible the earth is wobbling. There was a day 1-2 years ago, I forget, I thought the sun was in the wrong positon for very speciofic reasons that made it seem obvious to me. I could be wrong but it appeared that way to me and at that time I never heard of that being alleged to be occuring. And i fully understand the sun's apparant change in path. The Earth's tilt does change. Look it up. physical pole shifts are possible. |
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DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 450650
6/12/2008 11:19 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I have to agree as crazy as it sounds. You'd think we'd see by now photos comparisons of solstices from now and from prior years showing nothing has changed. We've seen some pics but no comparisons, explanation or analysis. If this gets debated every year as claimed, then you'd think someone would have a proof by now. Someone show me then I will put it to rest.
[ link to www.flickr.com]
:bwsick:
your photos do not prove that the earth could not have been out of position briefly.
Please explain to me, if you will, who are mods and what do you do and how are you selected and do have have a financial stake in the website? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 448220
6/12/2008 11:25 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
This doesn't make sense. You are saying it moves out of place and then exactly back to normal position. Any anomaly significant enough to be noticed by everyday people would have devastating and instantaneous consequences on earth. There would be no denying it. |
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DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 450650
6/12/2008 11:28 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Who is talking about hate. When faced with rational evidence as presented by Menow, you people freak out and go paranoid. Why does my sundial still work? Why does the pyramid at Chichen Itza still mark the equinox at the precise moment, just as it has for more than a thousand years? If you can give me a credible explanation for that, I will concede that you may be right. Otherwise, it will be obvious that you can't make a credible observation because you don't know how things are supposed to be in the first place. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 448220
People don't know for sure, you might be lying. This place is full of liars. I could easily say my sundial is off. Re: Chichen Itza, I'm not there either. and technically no one has shown me documented proof yet. I see the NYC solistice pic, e,g, but I dont live there and am not sure that street is known to be lined up right or not. I don;t know absent some foundation and explanation. We live in an age where every news story is a lie. The standard of proof is now higher. Get used to it. |
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DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 450650
6/12/2008 11:30 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
This doesn't make sense. You are saying it moves out of place and then exactly back to normal position. Any anomaly significant enough to be noticed by everyday people would have devastating and instantaneous consequences on earth. There would be no denying it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 448220
a spinning top does. the earth is like a top. Dont be so sure of yourself. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 448220
6/12/2008 11:34 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Tens of thousands of people from all over the world spend ridiculous amounts of money every year to watch the phenomenon at Chichen Itza. They would sure be bummed if they were standing there in 100 degree full on sun and nothing happened. You think I might be lying about that. My sundial I can't prove, its my word against yours, but you can prove Chichen Itza yourself by doing a simple google. This would have made news and you can bet the new age flakes would be running with that kind of proof. Yet you believe nonsense that you can't prove. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 448220
6/12/2008 11:38 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
This doesn't make sense. You are saying it moves out of place and then exactly back to normal position. Any anomaly significant enough to be noticed by everyday people would have devastating and instantaneous consequences on earth. There would be no denying it.
a spinning top does. the earth is like a top. Dont be so sure of yourself. Quoting: DarkStarCrashes 450650
Well speak for yourself. You seem pretty sure of yourself. If someone can give me a good explanation about why stationary objects continue to mark specific celestial phenomenon if the sun is not where it should be, then I will admit I am wrong. A tad touchy, aren't you? |
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DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 450650
6/12/2008 11:40 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I am a REAL amateur astronomer
I have equipment.
I have charts.
I have pictures.
I also belong to my local astronomy club who hold observations at least twice a month. Once during the new moon and once for "sidewalk" astronomy for observing the Sun.
Not one member of our club has noticed nor commented on the Sun being out of position.
The chair I sit in in the evenings is next to a west facing window. At this time of year the Sun starts to shine through the window directly onto my chair. It will continue to do this until late fall. I've lived in this house for 4 years and this has happened every year. Quoting: Nighthawk
ok, this is an example of evidence i am looking for. And no swearing too. Do you think the Earth could wobble briefly and your club not notice? |
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Geogal
User ID: 373387
6/12/2008 11:41 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I am not saying it has. I am questioning it and it is possible the earth is wobbling. There was a day 1-2 years ago, I forget, I thought the sun was in the wrong positon for very speciofic reasons that made it seem obvious to me. I could be wrong but it appeared that way to me and at that time I never heard of that being alleged to be occuring. And i fully understand the sun's apparant change in path. The Earth's tilt does change. Look it up. physical pole shifts are possible. Quoting: DarkStarCrashes 450650
I'll let you in on a secret about me... I'm actually a geologist who studied ancient "wobbles" for a couple years. the science is known as Paleomagnetics. There is plenty of proof that a physical pole shift as far as is suggested by some on this site IS physically impossible. It can "wobble" a couple degrees, max. That's all that's ever been found. Anyone claiming finding anything further is not using the actual scientific record and making stuff up.
Question is all you want... but you still didn't really answer any of my questions for you.
I've been in places of frames of mind that make something seem obvious for very specific reasons, and been wrong. Normally, not being in a normal area is one that can set anyone off to that. We're you traveling for at least a day 1-2 years ago?
Additionally, the "wobble" (actually called polar wander) that you are discussing takes hundreds to thousands to shift to and back... it doesn't happen in a day or 2. Sorry. But, that's just the historical rock record. |
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Turtles Know 
Warning: Turtles Bite
User ID: 406673
6/12/2008 11:42 PM
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American Girl, fine job of showing us how many folks get upset if you say the sun is off the mark. Never knew it would draw such a crowd, holy cow, all I know is I gotta move my camailia (sp) bush that is now getting full sun,although it hasn't since I planted it, years ago, don't have charts or graphs, but do know I wouldn't have planted such an expensive bush in full sun, as any gardener knows.
No drummer out there is scared of you, Turtles.
AC 586763
A head full of dirt is what makes you enchanting, especially when you till it up for planting. [link to myspace.com]
They say the meek inherit the earth, but who, then, gets the kingdom?
[link to turtlesvoice.blogspot.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 450922
6/12/2008 11:43 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
This doesn't make sense. You are saying it moves out of place and then exactly back to normal position. Any anomaly significant enough to be noticed by everyday people would have devastating and instantaneous consequences on earth. There would be no denying it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 448220
I'm not taking sides in this discussion until I do more research on my own. I'm impartial at this point. But I do think that even the scientists are confused at many earth changes happening now. They have much to learn yet themselves and it may be a layman that points it out first.
So at this point I am open to both sides of this argument. I think that we will be in for some big surprises when long term cycles of earth and the sun become apparent to us. Modern man has just not experienced most of these cycles before.
But I do know the wobble suddenly increased only .75 deg. right before the Sumatra quake in 2004. Some scientists believe that it was enough to cause that quake. They expected an increase in wobble after a quake of that magnitude which there was, much smaller than the one before.
So some scientists do believe small fluctuations in the wobble does have devastating effects on the earth.
I don't have the link but do a search on it yourself - earth+wobble+Sumatra+earthquake. |
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DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 450650
6/12/2008 11:44 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
This doesn't make sense. You are saying it moves out of place and then exactly back to normal position. Any anomaly significant enough to be noticed by everyday people would have devastating and instantaneous consequences on earth. There would be no denying it.
a spinning top does. the earth is like a top. Dont be so sure of yourself.
Well speak for yourself. You seem pretty sure of yourself. If someone can give me a good explanation about why stationary objects continue to mark specific celestial phenomenon if the sun is not where it should be, then I will admit I am wrong. A tad touchy, aren't you? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 448220
why is everyone pycho in here? I am speaking for myself jerk. Sure of myself? I could not have made it more clear in my writings that I was looking for the answer. You are a dick. |
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Geogal
User ID: 373387
6/12/2008 11:44 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
People don't know for sure, you might be lying. This place is full of liars. I could easily say my sundial is off. Re: Chichen Itza, I'm not there either. and technically no one has shown me documented proof yet. I see the NYC solistice pic, e,g, but I dont live there and am not sure that street is known to be lined up right or not. I don;t know absent some foundation and explanation. We live in an age where every news story is a lie. The standard of proof is now higher. Get used to it. Quoting: DarkStarCrashes 450650
LOL! Didn't you jsut say a few pages back something to the effect of "show me pictures and I'll let this rest"... you can't let it rest... THIS is getting hysterical!
LOL! |
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DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 450650
6/12/2008 11:51 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I am not saying it has. I am questioning it and it is possible the earth is wobbling. There was a day 1-2 years ago, I forget, I thought the sun was in the wrong positon for very speciofic reasons that made it seem obvious to me. I could be wrong but it appeared that way to me and at that time I never heard of that being alleged to be occuring. And i fully understand the sun's apparant change in path. The Earth's tilt does change. Look it up. physical pole shifts are possible.
I'll let you in on a secret about me... I'm actually a geologist who studied ancient "wobbles" for a couple years. the science is known as Paleomagnetics. There is plenty of proof that a physical pole shift as far as is suggested by some on this site IS physically impossible. It can "wobble" a couple degrees, max. That's all that's ever been found. Anyone claiming finding anything further is not using the actual scientific record and making stuff up.
Question is all you want... but you still didn't really answer any of my questions for you.
I've been in places of frames of mind that make something seem obvious for very specific reasons, and been wrong. Normally, not being in a normal area is one that can set anyone off to that. We're you traveling for at least a day 1-2 years ago?
Additionally, the "wobble" (actually called polar wander) that you are discussing takes hundreds to thousands to shift to and back... it doesn't happen in a day or 2. Sorry. But, that's just the historical rock record. Quoting: Geogal 373387
And global warming is cause by cars. And comets are dirty snow balls. And oil comes from dead dinos. And the solor system is electrically neutral. And so on. You don't know anything for sure. History show that your guys are alwsys wrong. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 450922
6/12/2008 11:52 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Additionally, the "wobble" (actually called polar wander) that you are discussing takes hundreds to thousands to shift to and back... it doesn't happen in a day or 2. Sorry. But, that's just the historical rock record. Quoting: Geogal 373387
Geogal, where are we in that cycle exactly? I don't feel like searching it out again so I'll pick your brain. Awhile back I read that we are very close on several scientific sites. I forgot the time frame - what is it? Thanks. |
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DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 450650
6/12/2008 11:52 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
People don't know for sure, you might be lying. This place is full of liars. I could easily say my sundial is off. Re: Chichen Itza, I'm not there either. and technically no one has shown me documented proof yet. I see the NYC solistice pic, e,g, but I dont live there and am not sure that street is known to be lined up right or not. I don;t know absent some foundation and explanation. We live in an age where every news story is a lie. The standard of proof is now higher. Get used to it.
LOL! Didn't you jsut say a few pages back something to the effect of "show me pictures and I'll let this rest"... you can't let it rest... THIS is getting hysterical!
LOL! Quoting: Geogal 373387
photos require foundation to admitted. i see no foundation offered and I have asked many times. |
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Menow
User ID: 449281
6/12/2008 11:54 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Menow I thought you were taking a break... Quoting: Dee 450904
You people and your insipid yammering about "debunkers clocking out" and claiming that we are paid to post here because you can't even pretend to prove your silly claims any other way. Don't you feel silly for stooping to such a shallow, inane argument?
I shouldn't be here. I have other stuff to do. I won't be tomorrow. |
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Menow
User ID: 449281
6/13/2008 12:03 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Let me get this straight... You claim to be an amateur astronomer, but you have no equipment and can't spell "amateur"?
a grammer nazi, of course. what a total prick. Quoting: DarkStarCrashes 450650
Umm that was a SPELLING error, dumbshit.
I see that you ignored my point about his having no equipment and all the other points about his flawed observations. Typical. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 450922
6/13/2008 12:04 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
And global warming is cause by cars. And comets are dirty snow balls. And oil comes from dead dinos. And the solor system is electrically neutral. And so on. You don't know anything for sure. History show that your guys are alwsys wrong. Quoting: DarkStarCrashes 450650
DarkStarCrashes, you do have a good point there. The so called "experts" have had to eat crow many, many times.
But, in their defense, the ones that have been wrong set the base, like building blocks, for a more complete theory.
I don't think mankind will ever know everything about this universe. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 448220
6/13/2008 12:04 AM | |
Menow
User ID: 449281
6/13/2008 12:08 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I do take it for what it clearly is. An error in observation.
The earth could be wobbling from time to time. You haters would never allow that to be a possibility. Easier to hate. Quoting: DarkStarCrashes 450650
That doesn't even make sense. |
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DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 450650
6/13/2008 12:09 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 448220
Finally someone with some useful evidence. And no swearing. Refreshing. Thanks. |
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DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 450650
6/13/2008 12:12 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I do take it for what it clearly is. An error in observation.
The earth could be wobbling from time to time. You haters would never allow that to be a possibility. Easier to hate.
That doesn't even make sense. Quoting: Menow 449281
Of course not, asshat. And comets are dirty snowballs. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 450655
6/13/2008 12:14 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Who is talking about hate. When faced with rational evidence as presented by Menow, you people freak out and go paranoid. Why does my sundial still work? Why does the pyramid at Chichen Itza still mark the equinox at the precise moment, just as it has for more than a thousand years? If you can give me a credible explanation for that, I will concede that you may be right. Otherwise, it will be obvious that you can't make a credible observation because you don't know how things are supposed to be in the first place.
People don't know for sure, you might be lying. This place is full of liars. I could easily say my sundial is off. Re: Chichen Itza, I'm not there either. and technically no one has shown me documented proof yet. I see the NYC solistice pic, e,g, but I dont live there and am not sure that street is known to be lined up right or not. I don;t know absent some foundation and explanation. We live in an age where every news story is a lie. The standard of proof is now higher. Get used to it. Quoting: DarkStarCrashes 450650
OMG this is still going on? Why am I torturing myself by checking back here just to see how stupid it can get?
Freakazoid, whoever you are, everyone is not lying. Chichen Itza, I told you, I AM RIGHT NEAR THERE. Why don't you fly down here in a few days and I will hold your hand and point at it. Then will you believe the evidence of your own eyes? I STILL REFUSE TO BELIEVE ANYONE COULD ACTUALLY BE THIS STUPID AND STILL BE ABLE TO TURN ON A COMPUTER. AAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!! I feel myself becoming stupider by reading this shit!!! |
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DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 450650
6/13/2008 12:14 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
And global warming is cause by cars. And comets are dirty snow balls. And oil comes from dead dinos. And the solor system is electrically neutral. And so on. You don't know anything for sure. History show that your guys are alwsys wrong.
DarkStarCrashes, you do have a good point there. The so called "experts" have had to eat crow many, many times.
But, in their defense, the ones that have been wrong set the base, like building blocks, for a more complete theory.
I don't think mankind will ever know everything about this universe. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 450922
Seems to be the norm. i like to say: everything you know is a lie. And i mean everything. |
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Menow
User ID: 449281
6/13/2008 12:15 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I have to agree as crazy as it sounds. You'd think we'd see by now photos comparisons of solstices from now and from prior years showing nothing has changed. We've seen some pics but no comparisons, explanation or analysis. If this gets debated every year as claimed, then you'd think someone would have a proof by now. Someone show me then I will put it to rest.
[ link to www.flickr.com]
:bwsick:
your photos do not prove that the earth could not have been out of position briefly.
Did I predict this or what? Photos are requested, no DEMANDED. When given, excuses are made for why they are not acceptable.
Do you have ANY FUCKING IDEA of the energy involved in putting the Earth "briefly" out of position?
Do you have ANY FUCKING CLUE what that would do to the oceans?
Do you have ANY FUCKING IDEA how that would throw all astronomical positions and measurements PERMANENTLY out of sinc? Do you imagine that the Earth could just "catch up" perfectly to where it was supposed to be?
Idiot. |
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