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Anonymous Coward
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06/10/2008 01:48 PM
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Why is there any argumentation about this? That is silly. Every single poster here can step outside and check if its valid or not.

Let's see some results of those tests, not more flinging feces at each other
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Well I don't know what's going on but when I moved into my house, the north side of my hen house never got any sun. I had to change all the(sun loving) plants I put there. I have had shade plants there for 6 yrs now, all was well. Last year,maybe the year before that, I noticed certain plants getting burned and and had to move some out. This year it is almost fully in the sun for about 6 or more hrs a day. I have the sun plants back in now. fwiw
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I always find it interesting when I remark in my mind that the sun seems somewhat farther north than it should be (it sets behind mountains here and so we have markers to go by, ie: which mountains is it setting behind)and then the next day there is a post like this.

I do think you are right.
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Earth's wobble, detected by science a few years ago likely what contributes to the sun's, the constellations and the moon's appearance of being often slightly out of place.

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

Interview on the cause and effect of earth changes..

www.truinsight.com

Look for the May 29th archived audio.
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06/10/2008 01:57 PM
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Why is there any argumentation about this? That is silly. Every single poster here can step outside and check if its valid or not.

Let's see some results of those tests, not more flinging feces at each other
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absolutely give me your latitude and I'll give you your setting location tonight, - offer only open to first 5 responders, get it now while its hot - come on test the debunker for yourself
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06/10/2008 02:00 PM
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Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name
[link to hpiers.obspm.fr]

pulled from this post a little while back...

Thread: POLE SHIFT EVIDENCE
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06/10/2008 02:00 PM
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Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name
It is not the Sun that changed BUT the Earth.

My compass shows north has moved a few degrees to the west.
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06/10/2008 02:01 PM
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42.65N Albany, NY
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Those who fight so hard against Op's postulation must be protecting something.

Otherwise, why wouldn't they just let OP alone?

If OP is crazy, then why don't you just let her howl at the wind.

Debunkers always reinforce my opinion that there's truth about.
 Quoting: Right Brain


But you won't simply ask an astronomer and find out the truth. No body is "fighting so hard". We are simply offering the observation that the OP is making an absurd claim with ZERO supporting evidence.
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06/10/2008 02:07 PM
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Why is there any argumentation about this? That is silly. Every single poster here can step outside and check if its valid or not.

Let's see some results of those tests, not more flinging feces at each other
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 430584


Just "step outside"? You think that everyone knows, just by looking, whether the Sun is where it belongs? No, they don't. That is why people are making all these silly "Sun out of place" claims. They have no idea where the Sun should be.
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06/10/2008 02:10 PM
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42.65N Albany, NY
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Lowest point of Sun will cross Horizon at 300 degrees; Sun will completely disappear at 304 degrees - use a compass and allow for the magnetic declination of the area when measuring angles.
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06/10/2008 02:11 PM
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So let me get this straight if somebody makes a claim it's automatically correct?

No proof no evidence just correct?

A poster provided you a way to provide evidence one way or the other but the claimant doesn't use it to make a case?

OK I go for that!


THE SUN IS TOO FAR SOUTH AND IS RISING 8 HOURS TOO EARLY!

There you go it's said so it has to be true and that makes the OP a debunker!
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06/10/2008 02:14 PM
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Those who fight so hard against Op's postulation must be protecting something.

Otherwise, why wouldn't they just let OP alone?

If OP is crazy, then why don't you just let her howl at the wind.

Debunkers always reinforce my opinion that there's truth about.


But you won't simply ask an astronomer and find out the truth. No body is "fighting so hard". We are simply offering the observation that the OP is making an absurd claim with ZERO supporting evidence.
 Quoting: Menow 449281


Personally, I don't give a shit either way.

Neither should you when somebody makes a post. What do you think this is - a science forum? It's freakin GLP. If somebody wants to claim something - so be it.

Believe, don't believe, move along, whatever.

BTW, who is the "WE" that you speak about?

All I know is that where I live, in the southern US, we've set a new record each day of June for temperature. Go back and check any record books to find out how common that is - NOT. 10 days straight of new heat records. Nearly 100 each day of June. That is the FACT. That is verifiable. So, something is up with the Sun and personally, I'm open to all explanations.
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I'm just too lazy to do it.
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06/10/2008 02:17 PM
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Those who fight so hard against Op's postulation must be protecting something.

Otherwise, why wouldn't they just let OP alone?

If OP is crazy, then why don't you just let her howl at the wind.

Debunkers always reinforce my opinion that there's truth about.


But you won't simply ask an astronomer and find out the truth. No body is "fighting so hard". We are simply offering the observation that the OP is making an absurd claim with ZERO supporting evidence.


Personally, I don't give a shit either way.

Neither should you when somebody makes a post. What do you think this is - a science forum? It's freakin GLP. If somebody wants to claim something - so be it.

Believe, don't believe, move along, whatever.

BTW, who is the "WE" that you speak about?

All I know is that where I live, in the southern US, we've set a new record each day of June for temperature. Go back and check any record books to find out how common that is - NOT. 10 days straight of new heat records. Nearly 100 each day of June. That is the FACT. That is verifiable. So, something is up with the Sun and personally, I'm open to all explanations.
 Quoting: Right Brain

Hey genius, that's not the sun, it's the high pressure system stalled off the east coast. Weather happens. Blame those who can prove ther's no climate change.
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06/10/2008 02:23 PM
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Debunkers always reinforce my opinion that there's truth about..



Isn't that the truth... hiding


Yes, a fine example of logic. We should test all theory this way.

Make up some "bunk" and if debunkers show up, then it must be true...brilliant.


If it's so obvious that she's full of bunk, then why do we need you?
 Quoting: Right Brain


"Need" us? Well, you don't unless you want to know the truth. Your choice as to what you "need".

Why do you need to prove anything?
 Quoting: Right Brain


That is how Human inquiry works. We like to "prove" things. Not you? You just like to imagine things that are fun and then just go with that? Do you like to imagine you can fly and then jump off high places? How is that working out for you?

You and the moon landing debunkers are the most virulant strain of virus on the planet. If you could get into the bloodstream, you'd snuff out all life.
 Quoting: Right Brain


?

If it's so obvious, laugh and go along your merry way.
 Quoting: Right Brain


No, this is a discussion forum. People are here t discuss things. Why does it surprise you when that happens? Are you that dense?

But you don't. You keep at it until your last breath.
 Quoting: Right Brain


Massive exagerration.

So either:

1. You have a vested interest in debunking this topic.
 Quoting: Right Brain


I have an interest in seeing lies opposed. Not you?

2. You're an egomaniacal asshole that just can't let it alone.

Which is it?
 Quoting: Right Brain


Garbage in, garbage out. See above.
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06/10/2008 02:25 PM
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All I know is that where I live, in the southern US, we've set a new record each day of June for temperature. Go back and check any record books to find out how common that is - NOT. 10 days straight of new heat records. Nearly 100 each day of June. That is the FACT. That is verifiable. So, something is up with the Sun and personally, I'm open to all explanations.
 Quoting: Right Brain






If it was the sun don't you think it would effect everywhere the same?

I'm in the Rocky Mountains 2 weeks ago we had snow today is 70 degrees pretty normal for this time of year.
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Hey genius, that's not the sun, it's the high pressure system stalled off the east coast. Weather happens. Blame those who can prove ther's no climate change.
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Hey Dumbass,

I live in Texas.

Shill much?

Next...
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Right Brain

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06/10/2008 02:27 PM
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I'm in the Rocky Mountains 2 weeks ago we had snow today is 70 degrees pretty normal for this time of year.
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Let me guess - Cheyenne Mountain?

It's like a fricken shill pile on this thread.

What do you all fear?
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Menow
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06/10/2008 02:27 PM
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So are you willing to let be predict the location of sunset at your lattitude - or do you have no interest in checking your theory against reality?

Yep that is pretty much it.. NO interest, no interest in the mind games you play.. both boring and way over done.
 Quoting: Dee 536


So someone declaring that the Sun is not where it belongs with no supporting evidence equals "truth" to you, but someone saying: "Well, let's find out where the Sun SHOULD be" is playing mind games?

What is wrong with you?
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2. You're an egomaniacal asshole that just can't let it alone.

 Quoting: Menow 449281


Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding.

You aren't clever enough for a shill.
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06/10/2008 02:30 PM
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Well my offer of Sunset location prediction is now closed as I need to go eat, but thanks nikkinakiya for taking me up on it. I hope you have clear skies tonight.
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06/10/2008 02:31 PM
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Hey genius, that's not the sun, it's the high pressure system stalled off the east coast. Weather happens. Blame those who can prove ther's no climate change.


Hey Dumbass,

I live in Texas.

Shill much?

Next...
 Quoting: Right Brain

I lived in Texas for a few years. As I recall hot weather wasn't unusual. Neither were nitwits.

So anyone who disagrees with you is a shill? That must make things easy for you. Let me try.

Shill.
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Earth's wobble, detected by science a few years ago likely what contributes to the sun's, the constellations and the moon's appearance of being often slightly out of place.

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

Interview on the cause and effect of earth changes..

www.truinsight.com

Look for the May 29th archived audio.
 Quoting: Dee 536



"SLIGHTLY" out of place?? These people are claiming it is so far off that they can tell just by LOOKING and REMEMBERING from last year!!

From your link:

"Tiny deviations, less than a millimetre in size, in the predicted wobble of the Earth's axis..."

That is not "Earth's wobble" at all!. That is MINISCULE! GAD, you are stupid! Both the Chandler Wobble and Precession are vastly larger than that little thing and neither one relates in the slightest to the silly premise of the OP.

You are just floundering about for SOMETHING, no matter how silly.
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06/10/2008 02:36 PM
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I lived in Texas for a few years. As I recall hot weather wasn't unusual. Neither were nitwits.

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A few years, well that must make you an expert, JR.

I've lived here for 20+

So, why don't you prove to me that historically, it's normal to have 100 degrees for the first ten days of June.

Just give up Jackass, you tried to make a point and failed because you didn't gather all the pertinent information before drawing your conclusion.

That would make you a woowoo.
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Earth's wobble, detected by science a few years ago likely what contributes to the sun's, the constellations and the moon's appearance of being often slightly out of place.

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

Interview on the cause and effect of earth changes..

www.truinsight.com

Look for the May 29th archived audio.
 Quoting: Dee 536


You idiots totally decry science until you find some bit that you thing upholds your silly claims. Then you embrace it no matter how utterly wrong you are about what it says and means.
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Earth's wobble, detected by science a few years ago likely what contributes to the sun's, the constellations and the moon's appearance of being often slightly out of place.

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

Interview on the cause and effect of earth changes..

www.truinsight.com

Look for the May 29th archived audio.



"SLIGHTLY" out of place?? These people are claiming it is so far off that they can tell just by LOOKING and REMEMBERING from last year!!

From your link:

"Tiny deviations, less than a millimetre in size, in the predicted wobble of the Earth's axis..."

That is not "Earth's wobble" at all!. That is MINISCULE! GAD, you are stupid! Both the Chandler Wobble and Precession are vastly larger than that little thing and neither one relates in the slightest to the silly premise of the OP.

You are just floundering about for SOMETHING, no matter how silly.
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Prove it, Meow......you're a silly kitty.....ROFL....
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It is not the Sun that changed BUT the Earth.

My compass shows north has moved a few degrees to the west.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 402039


Learn about declination.

[link to www.compassdude.com]
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Oh yes. I got second degree burns on my nose in May
in Wisconsin. That is unheard of for these parts. I grew up in Cali and the sun was much stronger there and it was hard
to get a tan in Wi. Well, now you can. In a much shorter period of time, I might add. Somethings up.
 Quoting: Rebecca 445849


Horse apples.

I lived in Wisconsin (back in the late 60's and early 70's) and I got massive sunburn on a few summers back then. Yes in Wisconsin. Yes blisters. Yes I was taken to ER due to the extent of the Sun burn.
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find a sinkhole, add it to this thread, please.

"Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:15, NKJV).
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Well I don't know what's going on but when I moved into my house, the north side of my hen house never got any sun. I had to change all the(sun loving) plants I put there. I have had shade plants there for 6 yrs now, all was well. Last year,maybe the year before that, I noticed certain plants getting burned and and had to move some out. This year it is almost fully in the sun for about 6 or more hrs a day. I have the sun plants back in now. fwiw
 Quoting: Elfchick22 29307


So you think you have discovered something the world's astronomers have missed? Could it be that you are mistaken? Which is more likely?
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Dude, It was viewing the ships as they left the harbor and people noticed they could only see the top half after some distance occurred between the viewer and the ship.

THAT, is what started the question "Is the world really flat or is it rounded?"

A simple observation lead to the discovery of the world being round, spherical.
 Quoting: Schmieder 324203

Exactly. A VERIFIABLE, REPEATABLE observation.
Everybody can climb a tree and discover he can see farther now.
That is the scientific method at work.


And tell me, what scientific instruments back then were used to calculate the earths shape? Their brains, and it was a bunch of sailors that actually lead the discovery. A bunch of alcoholic sailors.
 Quoting: Schmieder 324203

They used the sun, a stick, and a tool called mathematics.

Don't smear the sailors. They did a hard and dangerous job.
One requiring considerable intelligence.


AND, those who 1st supported the idea the world was rounded were ridiculed constantly, they were socially unaccepted.
 Quoting: Schmieder 324203

Do you have any evidence to support that claim?


It was not scientists today who made the discovery then.
 Quoting: Schmieder 324203

No, it was scientists then. As was stated.


In fact, the Greeks before Columbus's time new the world was round.
 Quoting: Schmieder 324203

So did the Arabs, Indians, and Chinese. (To name a few.)
During the Middle Ages most educated people where aware that the Earth was a sphere.
BTW, Columbus was wrong. He thought that the circumference of the Earth was 25,255 kilometres at most.


The church was suppressing the idea from the public.
 Quoting: Schmieder 324203

Do you have any evidence to support that claim?
(I'm sure DrPostman will be here shortly with a load of links to proof that just isn't true. It's a pet peeve of his.)


Just like TPTB are suppressing knowledge now!
 Quoting: Schmieder 324203

Do you have any evidence to support that claim?


Educate yourself.
 Quoting: Schmieder 324203

Ditto.
Hatred is a cancer upon the world.
It rots the mind and blackens the heart.


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