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I've been through the desert on a thread with no name
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 448220
 Canada
6/13/2008 12:16 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I've been there many times. I was there for every equinox between 1992 and 2003. I have also seen the solstice at Xochicalco. Do some research and you will be amazed at the precision of the device that marks the solstice there.
There are lots of new agey people that follow these events religiously, and you can bet that they would be doing the chicken little if the events failed to happen. That you don't see people talking about it on the New Age sites is pretty good evidence that the sun is where it should be. If the Chichen Itza phenomenon failed to materialize, then I WOULD want to know why. |
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DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 450650
 United States
6/13/2008 12:19 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Freakazoid, whoever you are, everyone is not lying. Chichen Itza, I told you, I AM RIGHT NEAR THERE. Why don't you fly down here in a few days and I will hold your hand and point at it. Then will you believe the evidence of your own eyes? I STILL REFUSE TO BELIEVE ANYONE COULD ACTUALLY BE THIS STUPID AND STILL BE ABLE TO TURN ON A COMPUTER. AAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!! I feel myself becoming stupider by reading this shit!!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 450655
Get a grip, asshat. I merely asked for the proof and other are assisting. Check your facts. Go back to bed. And get a life. This is a stupid chat room. |
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DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 450650
United States
6/13/2008 12:21 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I've been there many times. I was there for every equinox between 1992 and 2003. I have also seen the solstice at Xochicalco. Do some research and you will be amazed at the precision of the device that marks the solstice there.
There are lots of new agey people that follow these events religiously, and you can bet that they would be doing the chicken little if the events failed to happen. That you don't see people talking about it on the New Age sites is pretty good evidence that the sun is where it should be. If the Chichen Itza phenomenon failed to materialize, then I WOULD want to know why. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 448220
More good civilized evidence. Thanks. |
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Menow
User ID: 449281
United States
6/13/2008 12:22 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
This doesn't make sense. You are saying it moves out of place and then exactly back to normal position. Any anomaly significant enough to be noticed by everyday people would have devastating and instantaneous consequences on earth. There would be no denying it.
a spinning top does. the earth is like a top. Dont be so sure of yourself. Quoting: DarkStarCrashes 450650
No, the Earth is NOT like a top. A top is supported from underneath by a surface of some sort. Earth is not stable due to high-speed gyroscopic forces. It is rotationally stable due to its great MASS and conservation of MOMENTUM. |
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Geogal
User ID: 373387
United States
6/13/2008 12:23 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
global "warming" caused by cars say some... others say bunk to that. I think it's more to do with the sun and it's phases.
Comets are not jsut "dirty snowballs" but likely many different materials. There's multiple different kinds of comets and asteroids caused by multiple different things. To even claim that any group of scientists believe any specific way is silly, to say the least. Actually, there are many different beliefs in each profession and many different sides... about as many different arguments as seen here at GLP.
Dead dinos and oil... depends upon what grade and where.
don't follow the "electrical universe" discussion. Not interested.
Nope. No one knows "anything for sure"... but, a good theory is backed by lots of proof. A hypothesis isn't.
So, what are we "guys" always wrong about that we "guys" can't review old theories and look for better fit theories. Where is it written in stone that a theory has to be perfect and right in all cases, and can't be looked into again?
And global warming is cause by cars. And comets are dirty snow balls. And oil comes from dead dinos. And the solor system is electrically neutral. And so on. You don't know anything for sure. History show that your guys are alwsys wrong. Quoting: DarkStarCrashes 450650 |
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Menow
User ID: 449281
United States
6/13/2008 12:26 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I am a REAL amateur astronomer
I have equipment.
I have charts.
I have pictures.
I also belong to my local astronomy club who hold observations at least twice a month. Once during the new moon and once for "sidewalk" astronomy for observing the Sun.
Not one member of our club has noticed nor commented on the Sun being out of position.
The chair I sit in in the evenings is next to a west facing window. At this time of year the Sun starts to shine through the window directly onto my chair. It will continue to do this until late fall. I've lived in this house for 4 years and this has happened every year.
ok, this is an example of evidence i am looking for. And no swearing too. Do you think the Earth could wobble briefly and your club not notice? Quoting: DarkStarCrashes 450650
Yeah, THAT'S IT! It wobbles when no astronomer in the world is LOOKING! Just people on their PATIOS!!
BWWWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHHAHAAA.A.AAAA.A.AA.A..A......!! |
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DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 450650
United States
6/13/2008 12:26 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I have to agree as crazy as it sounds. You'd think we'd see by now photos comparisons of solstices from now and from prior years showing nothing has changed. We've seen some pics but no comparisons, explanation or analysis. If this gets debated every year as claimed, then you'd think someone would have a proof by now. Someone show me then I will put it to rest.
[ link to www.flickr.com]
:bwsick:
your photos do not prove that the earth could not have been out of position briefly.
Did I predict this or what? Photos are requested, no DEMANDED. When given, excuses are made for why they are not acceptable.
Do you have ANY FUCKING IDEA of the energy involved in putting the Earth "briefly" out of position?
Do you have ANY FUCKING CLUE what that would do to the oceans?
Do you have ANY FUCKING IDEA how that would throw all astronomical positions and measurements PERMANENTLY out of sinc? Do you imagine that the Earth could just "catch up" perfectly to where it was supposed to be?
Idiot.
Who is this Me Now asshat? Hilarious. Check your blood pressure. Your name says a lot about you. I bet in person, you must throw a fantastic temper tantrum. lol. |
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Menow
User ID: 449281
United States
6/13/2008 12:32 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
American Girl, fine job of showing us how many folks get upset if you say the sun is off the mark. Never knew it would draw such a crowd, holy cow, all I know is I gotta move my camailia (sp) bush that is now getting full sun,although it hasn't since I planted it, years ago, don't have charts or graphs, but do know I wouldn't have planted such an expensive bush in full sun, as any gardener knows. Quoting: Turtles Know
Tell me this. What object or objects USED to block the Sun from hitting it and where are they now? |
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Geogal
User ID: 373387
United States
6/13/2008 12:33 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Geogal, where are we in that cycle exactly? I don't feel like searching it out again so I'll pick your brain. Awhile back I read that we are very close on several scientific sites. I forgot the time frame - what is it? Thanks. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 450922
Cycle... ok let me just check what exactly are you asking... because I'd like to try and answer your question as accurately as i can, but I'm a little confused...
Are you asking about how the magnetic pole tends to "wander" a little about the physical placed north pole?
or
Are you asking about the polar reversal, where right now the magnetics flow from north to south and that's supposedly going to reverse? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 444647
United States
6/13/2008 12:39 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Seems to be the norm. i like to say: everything you know is a lie. And i mean everything. Quoting: DarkStarCrashes 450650
You may be right about that, or at least a large percentage of it. I think the best approach is to listen to both the "experts" and the "self-proclaimed experts". Listen to both sides, then do your own research and your own logic on the subject to establish your beliefs. At some point it just becomes a gut feeling.
It's been my experience that the so-called experts are actually very closed minded, too specialized to fit together all the puzzle pieces. Follow your own logic but keep researching it. It's an ever evolving thing.
Don't let anybody tell you are wrong when it's something you feel. I've done that several times over the years regarding popular theories only to be ridiculed. But as time passed new research proved me right.
One thing for sure - there's many self-proclaimed experts on this forum. |
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DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 450650
United States
6/13/2008 12:41 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
A top is supported from underneath by a surface of some sort. Quoting: Menow 449281
Really? Are you sure?
Earth is not stable due to high-speed gyroscopic forces. It is rotationally stable due to its great MASS and conservation of MOMENTUM. Quoting: Menow 449281
Hilarious. "not stable" + "rotationally stable" = you dont know crap.
What is your profession Mr. AnswerMan? |
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Menow
User ID: 449281
United States
6/13/2008 12:42 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
This doesn't make sense. You are saying it moves out of place and then exactly back to normal position. Any anomaly significant enough to be noticed by everyday people would have devastating and instantaneous consequences on earth. There would be no denying it.
I'm not taking sides in this discussion until I do more research on my own. I'm impartial at this point. But I do think that even the scientists are confused at many earth changes happening now. They have much to learn yet themselves and it may be a layman that points it out first. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 450922
You actually believe that the world's astronomers can have missed the entire sky being out of place? Really? Truly? No foolin'? You wouldn't shit me, would ya? You CAN'T believe that. NAAAAAA.... Really?
So at this point I am open to both sides of this argument. I think that we will be in for some big surprises when long term cycles of earth and the sun become apparent to us. Modern man has just not experienced most of these cycles before. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 450922
But that is not what we are talking about here. Don't you understand that?
But I do know the wobble suddenly increased only .75 deg. right before the Sumatra quake in 2004. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 450922
Link?
Some scientists believe that it was enough to cause that quake. They expected an increase in wobble after a quake of that magnitude which there was, much smaller than the one before.
So some scientists do believe small fluctuations in the wobble does have devastating effects on the earth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 450922
Then how do you imagine that the degree of aberration needed to cause what these people claim to be seeing would not cause world-wide catastrophic events? It would.
I don't have the link but do a search on it yourself - earth+wobble+Sumatra+earthquake. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 450922
Then you should be able to do that search and provide a link yourself. |
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DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 450650
United States
6/13/2008 12:44 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
American Girl, fine job of showing us how many folks get upset if you say the sun is off the mark. Never knew it would draw such a crowd, holy cow, all I know is I gotta move my camailia (sp) bush that is now getting full sun,although it hasn't since I planted it, years ago, don't have charts or graphs, but do know I wouldn't have planted such an expensive bush in full sun, as any gardener knows.
Tell me this. What object or objects USED to block the Sun from hitting it and where are they now? Quoting: Menow 449281
Did he really ask this question? I am trying to picture what this guy looks like. lol. |
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Free Store
User ID: 158594
Canada
6/13/2008 12:46 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I'd like to know by what methods the amateur astronomy clubs use to measure how much wobble on the Earth's spin there actually is without NOAA or any internet
I use the Moon personally measured by me and a compass
What do they use? |
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DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 450650
United States
6/13/2008 12:47 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
This doesn't make sense. You are saying it moves out of place and then exactly back to normal position. Any anomaly significant enough to be noticed by everyday people would have devastating and instantaneous consequences on earth. There would be no denying it.
I'm not taking sides in this discussion until I do more research on my own. I'm impartial at this point. But I do think that even the scientists are confused at many earth changes happening now. They have much to learn yet themselves and it may be a layman that points it out first.
You actually believe that the world's astronomers can have missed the entire sky being out of place? Really? Truly? No foolin'? You wouldn't shit me, would ya? You CAN'T believe that. NAAAAAA.... Really?
So at this point I am open to both sides of this argument. I think that we will be in for some big surprises when long term cycles of earth and the sun become apparent to us. Modern man has just not experienced most of these cycles before.
But that is not what we are talking about here. Don't you understand that?
But I do know the wobble suddenly increased only .75 deg. right before the Sumatra quake in 2004.
Link?
Some scientists believe that it was enough to cause that quake. They expected an increase in wobble after a quake of that magnitude which there was, much smaller than the one before.
So some scientists do believe small fluctuations in the wobble does have devastating effects on the earth.
Then how do you imagine that the degree of aberration needed to cause what these people claim to be seeing would not cause world-wide catastrophic events? It would.
I don't have the link but do a search on it yourself - earth+wobble+Sumatra+earthquake.
Then you should be able to do that search and provide a link yourself. Quoting: Menow 449281
I hope MeNow doesnt have a heart attack. I wonder how he behaves when he is in real stress. Wow. |
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Menow
User ID: 449281
United States
6/13/2008 12:49 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
A top is supported from underneath by a surface of some sort.
Really? Are you sure?
Earth is not stable due to high-speed gyroscopic forces. It is rotationally stable due to its great MASS and conservation of MOMENTUM.
Hilarious. "not stable" + "rotationally stable" = you dont know crap.
What is your profession Mr. AnswerMan? Quoting: DarkStarCrashes 450650
I didn't say Earth was not stable. I said that its stability is not due to high-speed gyroscopic forces as a top is. Read for comprehension much? |
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Menow
User ID: 449281
United States
6/13/2008 12:51 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I'd like to know by what methods the amateur astronomy clubs use to measure how much wobble on the Earth's spin there actually is without NOAA or any internet
I use the Moon personally measured by me and a compass
What do they use? Quoting: Free Store 158594
And you conclude, by your methods, that the Moon is not where it belongs. Ergo, you haven't a clue what you are doing. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 448220
Canada
6/13/2008 12:52 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I'd like to know by what methods the amateur astronomy clubs use to measure how much wobble on the Earth's spin there actually is without NOAA or any internet
I use the Moon personally measured by me and a compass
What do they use? Quoting: Free Store 158594
You never will find a clue, will you Freak Store. |
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Menow
User ID: 449281
United States
6/13/2008 12:53 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
American Girl, fine job of showing us how many folks get upset if you say the sun is off the mark. Never knew it would draw such a crowd, holy cow, all I know is I gotta move my camailia (sp) bush that is now getting full sun,although it hasn't since I planted it, years ago, don't have charts or graphs, but do know I wouldn't have planted such an expensive bush in full sun, as any gardener knows.
Tell me this. What object or objects USED to block the Sun from hitting it and where are they now?
Did he really ask this question? I am trying to picture what this guy looks like. lol. Quoting: DarkStarCrashes 450650
But you neglect to explain the alleged problem with the question. |
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Menow
User ID: 449281
United States
6/13/2008 12:56 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I'd like to know by what methods the amateur astronomy clubs use to measure how much wobble on the Earth's spin there actually is without NOAA or any internet
I use the Moon personally measured by me and a compass
What do they use? Quoting: Free Store 158594
Give it up freaky. It's all conspiracies, everywhere, all the time. No one will ever tell you the truth. |
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DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 450650
United States
6/13/2008 12:56 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
don't follow the "electrical universe" discussion. Not interested. Quoting: Geogal 373387
Not surprised. |
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DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 450650
United States
6/13/2008 12:59 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I am a REAL amateur astronomer
I have equipment.
I have charts.
I have pictures.
I also belong to my local astronomy club who hold observations at least twice a month. Once during the new moon and once for "sidewalk" astronomy for observing the Sun.
Not one member of our club has noticed nor commented on the Sun being out of position.
The chair I sit in in the evenings is next to a west facing window. At this time of year the Sun starts to shine through the window directly onto my chair. It will continue to do this until late fall. I've lived in this house for 4 years and this has happened every year.
ok, this is an example of evidence i am looking for. And no swearing too. Do you think the Earth could wobble briefly and your club not notice?
Yeah, THAT'S IT! It wobbles when no astronomer in the world is LOOKING!
BWWWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHHAHAAA.A.AAAA.A.AA.A..A......!! Quoting: Menow 449281
Meow, you need to join my fan club. Meow, what are your qualifications or is that a secret? |
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Free Store
User ID: 158594
Canada
6/13/2008 1:00 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I'd like to know by what methods the amateur astronomy clubs use to measure how much wobble on the Earth's spin there actually is without NOAA or any internet
I use the Moon personally measured by me and a compass
What do they use? Quoting: Free Store 158594
I notice when I mentioned last fall that Venus seemed to be in the late evening sky for some time well it hasn't really moved much except to the south more. Midnight Planet
I know, I'm seeing things *.* |
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DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 450650
United States
6/13/2008 1:02 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
American Girl, fine job of showing us how many folks get upset if you say the sun is off the mark. Never knew it would draw such a crowd, holy cow, all I know is I gotta move my camailia (sp) bush that is now getting full sun,although it hasn't since I planted it, years ago, don't have charts or graphs, but do know I wouldn't have planted such an expensive bush in full sun, as any gardener knows.
Tell me this. What object or objects USED to block the Sun from hitting it and where are they now?
Did he really ask this question? I am trying to picture what this guy looks like. lol.
But you neglect to explain the alleged problem with the question. Quoting: Menow 449281
actually negligence requires a duty first and I dont have a duty to point out your stupidity in detail. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 448220
Canada
6/13/2008 1:02 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Free Store, you are a scream. You probably need help locating your own klingons with toilet paper. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 448220
Canada
6/13/2008 1:06 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
For your information, Freak Show, Venus isn't even visible right now. That happens when Venus conjuncts the sun. Could that be something else you are seeing at midnight? Like Jupiter maybe? You really have no clue. |
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Free Store
User ID: 158594
Canada
6/13/2008 1:07 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Rising every night in the East and now is SE around mid-night, for clarity
I never made any posts to a Rising Far North Sun..I look at other things and remember. How can anyone miss seeing Venus |
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Geogal
User ID: 373387
United States
6/13/2008 1:08 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
don't follow the "electrical universe" discussion. Not interested.
Not surprised. Quoting: 450650
not my speciality, and what does it have to do with the thread topic? Or are you jsut wanting to deviate? Why should I? Why should anyone or everyone follow your bar for others when you can't reach it yourself?
And yet you can't or won't answer any of my other questions, nor will you comment upon things I've stated that do not follow your precise prejudices against science... if you don't answer questions to help define what you're asking, you can't get info handed to you on a platter that will satisfy.
so, I'm not surprised, either. You do all you can to insult and annoy others without explaining yourself properly. You claim breath of fresh air when someone doesn't attack you with an insult, yet have them very handy and constant. Sigh... a telling thing about the state of the human mental state, I guess. Or, maybe jsut more telling about who you are and what you're trying to accomplish here? Don't know the answer to this really matters much to anything.... just more a curiosity. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 448220
Canada
6/13/2008 1:09 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Rising every night in the East and now is SE around mid-night, for clarity
I never made any posts to a Rising Far North Sun..I look at other things and remember. How can anyone miss seeing Venus Quoting: Free Store 158594
It isn't even Venus you are seeing, you moron! |
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Menow
User ID: 449281
United States
6/13/2008 1:11 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I am a REAL amateur astronomer
I have equipment.
I have charts.
I have pictures.
I also belong to my local astronomy club who hold observations at least twice a month. Once during the new moon and once for "sidewalk" astronomy for observing the Sun.
Not one member of our club has noticed nor commented on the Sun being out of position.
The chair I sit in in the evenings is next to a west facing window. At this time of year the Sun starts to shine through the window directly onto my chair. It will continue to do this until late fall. I've lived in this house for 4 years and this has happened every year.
ok, this is an example of evidence i am looking for. And no swearing too. Do you think the Earth could wobble briefly and your club not notice?
Yeah, THAT'S IT! It wobbles when no astronomer in the world is LOOKING!
BWWWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHHAHAAA.A.AAAA.A.AA.A..A......!!
Meow, you need to join my fan club. Meow, what are your qualifications or is that a secret? Quoting: DarkStarCrashes 450650
Let's see... I have the sense to know that Earth could not be wobbling while astronomers are not looking. That seems well beyond your qualifications.
Oh.. I also don't think that everything, everywhere is a lie. |
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