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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318980
6/13/2008 8:47 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I don't run and hide, I will be here!
I am confident in my personal observations. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
Czn you tell be what you have used to determine where the Sun should have risen? Please describe yur methodology to determine that the Sun rose 10-20 degrees too far North today. |
| DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 451136
6/13/2008 9:05 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I am a REAL amateur astronomer
I have equipment.
I have charts.
I have pictures.
I also belong to my local astronomy club who hold observations at least twice a month. Once during the new moon and once for "sidewalk" astronomy for observing the Sun.
Not one member of our club has noticed nor commented on the Sun being out of position.
The chair I sit in in the evenings is next to a west facing window. At this time of year the Sun starts to shine through the window directly onto my chair. It will continue to do this until late fall. I've lived in this house for 4 years and this has happened every year.
ok, this is an example of evidence i am looking for. And no swearing too. Do you think the Earth could wobble briefly and your club not notice?
Yeah, THAT'S IT! It wobbles when no astronomer in the world is LOOKING!
BWWWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHHAHAAA.A.AAAA.A.AA.A..A......!!
Meow, you need to join my fan club. Meow, what are your qualifications or is that a secret?
Let's see... I have the sense to know that Earth could not be wobbling while astronomers are not looking. That seems well beyond your qualifications.
Oh.. I also don't think that everything, everywhere is a lie.
i guess that means you have no profession nor qualifications, which is OK. Just checking.
It means no such thing. I don't intend to play the "I'm a _____" game with you. You seem unqualified to grasp common sense things like the above, and are unwilling to answer questions or follow a discussion to a logical conclusion. Those are qualifications that can be accurately shown here, not the "I'm a lawyer" stuff. You seem unwilling to believe anything anyone says here, so why would you ask anyway, other than to, as you demonstrated, launch another insult?
You pretend to now be demurely asking for simple information when we all know you have been obstinate and obtuse throughout this whole thread. Makes one wonder if there is more than one person using your nick and ID. Quoting: Menow 449281
MeNow is a coward and a partheic debater. |
| Menow
User ID: 449281
6/13/2008 9:14 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I am a REAL amateur astronomer
I have equipment.
I have charts.
I have pictures.
I also belong to my local astronomy club who hold observations at least twice a month. Once during the new moon and once for "sidewalk" astronomy for observing the Sun.
Not one member of our club has noticed nor commented on the Sun being out of position.
The chair I sit in in the evenings is next to a west facing window. At this time of year the Sun starts to shine through the window directly onto my chair. It will continue to do this until late fall. I've lived in this house for 4 years and this has happened every year.
ok, this is an example of evidence i am looking for. And no swearing too. Do you think the Earth could wobble briefly and your club not notice?
Yeah, THAT'S IT! It wobbles when no astronomer in the world is LOOKING!
BWWWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHHAHAAA.A.AAAA.A.AA.A..A......!!
Meow, you need to join my fan club. Meow, what are your qualifications or is that a secret?
Let's see... I have the sense to know that Earth could not be wobbling while astronomers are not looking. That seems well beyond your qualifications.
Oh.. I also don't think that everything, everywhere is a lie.
i guess that means you have no profession nor qualifications, which is OK. Just checking.
It means no such thing. I don't intend to play the "I'm a _____" game with you. You seem unqualified to grasp common sense things like the above, and are unwilling to answer questions or follow a discussion to a logical conclusion. Those are qualifications that can be accurately shown here, not the "I'm a lawyer" stuff. You seem unwilling to believe anything anyone says here, so why would you ask anyway, other than to, as you demonstrated, launch another insult?
You pretend to now be demurely asking for simple information when we all know you have been obstinate and obtuse throughout this whole thread. Makes one wonder if there is more than one person using your nick and ID.
MeNow is a coward and a partheic debater. Quoting: DarkStarCrashes 451136
Yet it has been widely noted that you have repeatedly avoided answering questions during this discussion.
You have YET to answer how you believe that astronomical data can, at some point, have been changed to reflect new and "wrong" positioning of sky objects, yet no astronomers remember any such thing taking place.
You are a buffoon and a troll. You want to draw me into silly debates of things you already declare I am wrong on.
Pathetic.
Over and out. I will not be around for a while. Now you can take your pot shots with impunity. |
| DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 451136
6/13/2008 9:14 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
DrPostman offered:
[link to www.flickr.com]
your photos do not prove that the earth could not have been out of position briefly.
Please explain to me, if you will, who are mods and what do you do and how are you selected and do have have a financial stake in the website?
And there you have it folks. A series of images taken over
many years is offered, and the bar gets set to a different
position where now the claim is that the Sun is out of place
"briefly". The request was satisfied and what does this troll
do but question my motives and credibility.
I don't get paid a dime to post here or be a mod. Sux2BU, troll. Quoting: DrPostman
You are an asshat. You terrible misrepresent what people say. You are a dishonest debater. You know nothing about evidence foundation and proof. "series of images taken over many years" when they do not cover the time the change is alleged to have taken place is not sufficient evidence, jerky boy. |
| DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 451136
6/13/2008 9:17 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I am a REAL amateur astronomer
I have equipment.
I have charts.
I have pictures.
I also belong to my local astronomy club who hold observations at least twice a month. Once during the new moon and once for "sidewalk" astronomy for observing the Sun.
Not one member of our club has noticed nor commented on the Sun being out of position.
The chair I sit in in the evenings is next to a west facing window. At this time of year the Sun starts to shine through the window directly onto my chair. It will continue to do this until late fall. I've lived in this house for 4 years and this has happened every year.
ok, this is an example of evidence i am looking for. And no swearing too. Do you think the Earth could wobble briefly and your club not notice?
Yeah, THAT'S IT! It wobbles when no astronomer in the world is LOOKING!
BWWWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHHAHAAA.A.AAAA.A.AA.A..A......!!
Meow, you need to join my fan club. Meow, what are your qualifications or is that a secret?
Let's see... I have the sense to know that Earth could not be wobbling while astronomers are not looking. That seems well beyond your qualifications.
Oh.. I also don't think that everything, everywhere is a lie.
i guess that means you have no profession nor qualifications, which is OK. Just checking.
It means no such thing. I don't intend to play the "I'm a _____" game with you. You seem unqualified to grasp common sense things like the above, and are unwilling to answer questions or follow a discussion to a logical conclusion. Those are qualifications that can be accurately shown here, not the "I'm a lawyer" stuff. You seem unwilling to believe anything anyone says here, so why would you ask anyway, other than to, as you demonstrated, launch another insult?
You pretend to now be demurely asking for simple information when we all know you have been obstinate and obtuse throughout this whole thread. Makes one wonder if there is more than one person using your nick and ID.
MeNow is a coward and a partheic debater.
Yet it has been widely noted that you have repeatedly avoided answering questions during this discussion.
You have YET to answer how you believe that astronomical data can, at some point, have been changed to reflect new and "wrong" positioning of sky objects, yet no astronomers remember any such thing taking place.
You are a buffoon and a troll. You want to draw me into silly debates of things you already declare I am wrong on.
Pathetic.
Over and out. I will not be around for a while. Now you can take your pot shots with impunity. Quoting: Menow 449281
You need to get a life, asshat. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 451148
6/13/2008 9:32 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
"For Nibiru"? Meaning that you think all of the above was caused by an alleged mysterious planet which has never been seen? Surely you jest. Quoting: Menow 449281
We know electricity exists yet we cannot see it. But there is substantial evidence that it is there which clarifys its presence
Sure. My argument against: Where is it? Quoting: Menow 449281
Thats not an argument. Thats a statement. Ohh, i cannot see the wind so it must not be there.
Please don't start listing a mountain of "might be's" and saying that all clear evidence has been hidden from us. That would be a child's argument. If that's all you have, don't bother. Quoting: Menow 449281
I have provided reasonable points that would give the theory credibility, so far you have provided nil in any form of against argument. |
| Freeman
User ID: 451148
6/13/2008 9:36 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I posted that btw |
| DrPostman  
Forum Moderator
User ID: 51197
6/13/2008 9:40 AM
 | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I have provided reasonable points that would give the theory credibility, so far you have provided nil in any form of against argument. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 451148
I did and you ignored it.
"I've had two teenagers who were considering killing themselves, because they didn't want to
be around when the world ends. Two women in the last two weeks said they were contemplating
killing their children and themselves so they wouldn't have to suffer through the end of the world."
-- NASA Astrobiology Institute scientist David Morrison, on 2012 fears
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| Freeman
User ID: 451148
6/13/2008 9:47 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I have provided reasonable points that would give the theory credibility, so far you have provided nil in any form of against argument.
I did and you ignored it. Quoting: DrPostman
What page? |
| Schmieder
User ID: 324203
6/13/2008 9:57 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I don't run and hide, I will be here!
I am confident in my personal observations.
Czn you tell be what you have used to determine where the Sun should have risen? Please describe yur methodology to determine that the Sun rose 10-20 degrees too far North today. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318980
Well, every morning I sit on my patio and drink my coffee and smoke the days first cigarette. I am personally aware of the location of sunrise. I will admit there are a few trees at a distance across the street which block my viewing of the horizon. That does not disprove a thing though. My home is situated where the morning sun will not shine directly on my patio closer to the house. I should be able to sit down and stretch out my feet sitting against the house and my feet should not be in direct sunlight. However, the day before yesterday, June 11th, and this morning as I sat down in my chair the sun was shining direct sun light onto my knees. know, I know, it sounds impossible but there it was, just like that.
Two years living here and not once did I ever see the sun shine in such a direction, never until now and June 11th.
And I have to point this out for the shills here.......If you were accused of murder BUT you didn't do it, would you give up and say you did because the argument was too much? Or would you stick to what is right and remain truthful?
In my situation, I will not give up and submit to lie to myself. I know what I saw, I know how I saw it and that will never change, ever. Nobody can change what I experienced so if you feel compelled to argue against what I saw, you are wasting your time, period!
As far as why the sun was in such a position I can not say exactly why. That is the answer I am looking for. Was the sun moving or is the Earth shifting? Is there a device to bend light being tested in my area? Is our solar system experiencing a warping of time/space ect.....? Is my property or the area I live in shifting locally?
All are damning questions with powerful answers if any one of them were the reasons why.
-------------------------------------------------------
Today I am marking the suns location with chalk line on my patio. So far I have 7:30, 8:30 and 9:30 marked. Very interesting to point out both 8:30 and 9:30 are identical in angle. Weird to say the least. After today I will post a picture of my markings.
In the coming days, I will repeat this experiment AND take a picture of the line and shadow matching for each hour I mark. I would do that today but my camera is inaccessible for photos. |
| Schmieder
User ID: 324203
6/13/2008 10:10 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
oh and one more point I have to point out. This is a conspiracy forum, a place where people go when the media outlets, government and/or other authorities of science refuse to admit or disclose certain information. To ask why this is not all over the news is a dumb question. They do not want worldwide chaos. And riots will break out everywhere if this was plastered all over the news media giants.
Every 'creditable' source of information disclosure is government regulated. Any scientist who has a position of authority in his/her field is funded and those funds would be yanked if they made statements TPTB do not want out in public.
Sooo, whats left is amateurs posting on conspiracy forums, duh! And until tptb wish to tell the public, it will always be like that.
I bet most astronomers who know what is happening are keeping their mouths shut so they can protect their families. Not to mention, the very expensive equipment they use is government owned, in most cases.
So why is it a terrible, sinful act to post about the sun being out of place on a conspiracy forum? Do you shills beat on Betty Crocker for posting a recipe for a cake in a cooking forum? No, you don't so go tell your supervisor to fuck off and stop trying to hide the truth, please and thank you!
Love, Live and be happy, Peace! |
| DrPostman
Forum Moderator
User ID: 51197
6/13/2008 10:13 AM
| | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
So why is it a terrible, sinful act to post about the sun being out of place on a conspiracy forum? Quoting: Schmieder 324203
The only protest I see is when anyone dares to contradict
ya'll. Both sides of the issue are allowed here. Get used
to that.
"I've had two teenagers who were considering killing themselves, because they didn't want to
be around when the world ends. Two women in the last two weeks said they were contemplating
killing their children and themselves so they wouldn't have to suffer through the end of the world."
-- NASA Astrobiology Institute scientist David Morrison, on 2012 fears
Can't PM? Feel free to email me at DrPostman(at)gmail.com
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| Freeman
User ID: 451148
6/13/2008 10:21 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
oh and one more point I have to point out. This is a conspiracy forum, a place where people go when the media outlets, government and/or other authorities of science refuse to admit or disclose certain information. To ask why this is not all over the news is a dumb question. They do not want worldwide chaos. And riots will break out everywhere if this was plastered all over the news media giants.
Every 'creditable' source of information disclosure is government regulated. Any scientist who has a position of authority in his/her field is funded and those funds would be yanked if they made statements TPTB do not want out in public.
Sooo, whats left is amateurs posting on conspiracy forums, duh! And until tptb wish to tell the public, it will always be like that.
I bet most astronomers who know what is happening are keeping their mouths shut so they can protect their families. Not to mention, the very expensive equipment they use is government owned, in most cases.
So why is it a terrible, sinful act to post about the sun being out of place on a conspiracy forum? Do you shills beat on Betty Crocker for posting a recipe for a cake in a cooking forum? No, you don't so go tell your supervisor to fuck off and stop trying to hide the truth, please and thank you!
Love, Live and be happy, Peace! Quoting: Schmieder 324203
Well said mate!
- Freeman |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318980
6/13/2008 11:12 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Well, every morning I sit on my patio and drink my coffee and smoke the days first cigarette. I am personally aware of the location of sunrise. I will admit there are a few trees at a distance across the street which block my viewing of the horizon. That does not disprove a thing though. My home is situated where the morning sun will not shine directly on my patio closer to the house. I should be able to sit down and stretch out my feet sitting against the house and my feet should not be in direct sunlight. However, the day before yesterday, June 11th, and this morning as I sat down in my chair the sun was shining direct sun light onto my knees. know, I know, it sounds impossible but there it was, just like that.
Two years living here and not once did I ever see the sun shine in such a direction, never until now and June 11th. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
I'm sorry to say, your explanation has not increased my faith in your observational skills. You say you can't see the horizon because its behind a line of trees (so can't see where the Sun rises), And as far as I can tell you have no Idea of either the Azimuth the Sun should have risen at or the Azimuth it was at when you made your observation(s). You are also extremely vague as to what time you made your observations 'This morning' covers a hole bunch of time.
Here's how I measure the location (azimuth) of the Sun. Poke a pencil through a piece of stiff card so that the pencil makes an angle of 90 degrees with the card. Take this arrangement outside and place on a table. Make sure the card is horizontal using a spirit level and the pencil is vertical using a plumb line). Now using a compass sight from the end of the shadow the pencil casts on the card to the base of the pencil and take a bearing,. that will be the azimuth of the Sun at your location at the time you take the measurement.
Somehow I trust my method better than your 'boots in the sun when I smoke a cigarette' method.
And before you ask, yes I am a semi pro Astronomer (in that I sell astro photos but it is not my main source of income), so no doubt I'm lying through my pointy reptilian teeth.
Of course you could always try using this method for yourself and see if you get different results. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318980
6/13/2008 11:16 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
whoops, sry for double post |
| Schmieder
User ID: 324203
6/13/2008 11:25 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I'm sorry to say, your explanation has not increased my faith in your observational skills. You say you can't see the horizon because its behind a line of trees (so can't see where the Sun rises), And as far as I can tell you have no Idea of either the Azimuth the Sun should have risen at or the Azimuth it was at when you made your observation(s). You are also extremely vague as to what time you made your observations 'This morning' covers a whole bunch of time.
Here's how I measure the location (azimuth) of the Sun. Poke a pencil through a piece of stiff card so that the pencil makes an angle of 90 degrees with the card. Take this arrangement outside and place on a table. Make sure the card is horizontal using a spirit level and the pencil is vertical using a plumb line). Now using a compass sight from the end of the shadow the pencil casts on the card to the base of the pencil and take a bearing,. that will be the azimuth of the Sun at your location at the time you take the measurement.
Somehow I trust my method better than your 'boots in the sun when I smoke a cigarette' method.
And before you ask, yes I am a semi pro Astronomer (in that I sell astro photos but it is not my main source of income), so no doubt I'm lying through my pointy reptilian teeth.
Of course you could always try using this method for yourself and see if you get different results. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318980
I find it hard to believe you can not understand how I know the sun is out of place. It is really simple...The sun has never shined where it is now. Pretty simple.
That is like finding your dick attached to your ass and denying it shifted.
The sun was shinning in an area it has never shown before (in the morning hours) which, is also pretty understandable. Stand on the west side of any house and you will understand what I mean by the sun not ever shining there in the morning hours.
Please excuse my vulgarism but damn. Pleasing you guys is like sending a starving Palestinian to negotiate with an Israeli soldier. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318980
6/13/2008 11:40 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I find it hard to believe you can not understand how I know the sun is out of place. It is really simple...The sun has never shined where it is now. Pretty simple.
The sun was shinning in an area it has never shown before (in the morning hours) which, is also pretty understandable. Stand on the west side of any house and you will understand what I mean by the sun not ever shining there in the morning hours. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
I Fully understand how you can believe the Sun is rising further North than it should, but am stating that your evidence is not convincing for all the reasons I gave above. The bottom line being I have no way of verifying your boots in the Sun measurement or knowing where the Sun would have to be to illuminate your boots when you have a cigarette break. Would it not be much easier to use units to measure the Sun's position that anyone can check for themselves (like its azimuth - the Number of degrees it appears to be from True North).
I'm not sure what you point about the West of the house is about - are you saying at dawn today the Sun rose due West of North? Please explain. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 351208
6/13/2008 11:54 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
American Girl, fine job of showing us how many folks get upset if you say the sun is off the mark. Never knew it would draw such a crowd, holy cow, all I know is I gotta move my camailia (sp) bush that is now getting full sun,although it hasn't since I planted it, years ago, don't have charts or graphs, but do know I wouldn't have planted such an expensive bush in full sun, as any gardener knows.
Tell me this. What object or objects USED to block the Sun from hitting it and where are they now? Quoting: Menow 449281
they say they only planted it a couple of years ago . as we are approaching the solstice the sun is more directly overhead (if you live in the northen hemisphere) so more likely to shine on normaly shadowed areas. They probably didnt notice the last couple of years because it was a bit cloudy for a couple of weeks (even if only intermitantly) after that the sun moves on and the plants are back in permanent shade.
so they jumped from the logical conclusion that it was a bit cloudy once appon a time to ZOMG the sun is out of position. typical |
| Darza
User ID: 441598
6/13/2008 12:05 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Sun IS too far north, regardless of what shills say
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Well, every morning I sit on my patio and drink my coffee and smoke the days first cigarette. I am personally aware of the location of sunrise. I will admit there are a few trees at a distance across the street which block my viewing of the horizon. That does not disprove a thing though. My home is situated where the morning sun will not shine directly on my patio closer to the house. I should be able to sit down and stretch out my feet sitting against the house and my feet should not be in direct sunlight. However, the day before yesterday, June 11th, and this morning as I sat down in my chair the sun was shining direct sun light onto my knees. know, I know, it sounds impossible but there it was, just like that.
Two years living here and not once did I ever see the sun shine in such a direction, never until now and June 11th.
And I have to point this out for the shills here.......If you were accused of murder BUT you didn't do it, would you give up and say you did because the argument was too much? Or would you stick to what is right and remain truthful?
In my situation, I will not give up and submit to lie to myself. I know what I saw, I know how I saw it and that will never change, ever. Nobody can change what I experienced so if you feel compelled to argue against what I saw, you are wasting your time, period!
As far as why the sun was in such a position I can not say exactly why. That is the answer I am looking for. Was the sun moving or is the Earth shifting? Is there a device to bend light being tested in my area? Is our solar system experiencing a warping of time/space ect.....? Is my property or the area I live in shifting locally?
All are damning questions with powerful answers if any one of them were the reasons why.
-------------------------------------------------------
Today I am marking the suns location with chalk line on my patio. So far I have 7:30, 8:30 and 9:30 marked. Very interesting to point out both 8:30 and 9:30 are identical in angle. Weird to say the least. After today I will post a picture of my markings.
In the coming days, I will repeat this experiment AND take a picture of the line and shadow matching for each hour I mark. I would do that today but my camera is inaccessible for photos. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 451236
6/13/2008 12:20 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
This doesn't make sense. You are saying it moves out of place and then exactly back to normal position. Any anomaly significant enough to be noticed by everyday people would have devastating and instantaneous consequences on earth. There would be no denying it.
I'm not taking sides in this discussion until I do more research on my own. I'm impartial at this point. But I do think that even the scientists are confused at many earth changes happening now. They have much to learn yet themselves and it may be a layman that points it out first.
You actually believe that the world's astronomers can have missed the entire sky being out of place? Really? Truly? No foolin'? You wouldn't shit me, would ya? You CAN'T believe that. NAAAAAA.... Really?
So at this point I am open to both sides of this argument. I think that we will be in for some big surprises when long term cycles of earth and the sun become apparent to us. Modern man has just not experienced most of these cycles before.
But that is not what we are talking about here. Don't you understand that?
But I do know the wobble suddenly increased only .75 deg. right before the Sumatra quake in 2004.
Link?
Some scientists believe that it was enough to cause that quake. They expected an increase in wobble after a quake of that magnitude which there was, much smaller than the one before.
So some scientists do believe small fluctuations in the wobble does have devastating effects on the earth.
Then how do you imagine that the degree of aberration needed to cause what these people claim to be seeing would not cause world-wide catastrophic events? It would.
I don't have the link but do a search on it yourself - earth+wobble+Sumatra+earthquake.
Then you should be able to do that search and provide a link yourself.
I hope MeNow doesnt have a heart attack. I wonder how he behaves when he is in real stress. Wow. Quoting: DarkStarCrashes 450650
Yes,that was a strange response. He's stressed all right. I never said the .75 degree wobble these scientists noticed right before the quake would justify enough wobble to justify the observations of the sun being too far north. I was merely pointing out that some scientists do believe that even small wobble events can cause major events on earth.
He just wanted to assume that I was defending the "too far North" posters so took it upon himself to assume that.
I read this several months ago and didn't save link. Why would I want to go search it out again? I already did that way back when. If someone is interested they can do the search themselves.
He was too lazy to bother so he just chose to debunk it. He must be comfortable in his little, closed box and doesn't want or need further knowledge. It might be too stressful for him. Pitiful. |
| Schmieder
User ID: 324203
6/13/2008 12:46 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
So why is it a terrible, sinful act to post about the sun being out of place on a conspiracy forum?
The only protest I see is when anyone dares to contradict
ya'll. Both sides of the issue are allowed here. Get used
to that. Quoting: DrPostman
lol, I have no problem with anothers different views. I do have an issue with those other people claiming 100% knowledge. I only post in regards to my own observations, and then I'm called a liar, basically.
I am open for discussion regarding whatever, but I won't tolerate being called a liar, ever! |
| Schmieder
User ID: 324203
6/13/2008 12:51 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I find it hard to believe you can not understand how I know the sun is out of place. It is really simple...The sun has never shined where it is now. Pretty simple.
The sun was shinning in an area it has never shown before (in the morning hours) which, is also pretty understandable. Stand on the west side of any house and you will understand what I mean by the sun not ever shining there in the morning hours.
I Fully understand how you can believe the Sun is rising further North than it should, but am stating that your evidence is not convincing for all the reasons I gave above. The bottom line being I have no way of verifying your boots in the Sun measurement or knowing where the Sun would have to be to illuminate your boots when you have a cigarette break. Would it not be much easier to use units to measure the Sun's position that anyone can check for themselves (like its azimuth - the Number of degrees it appears to be from True North).
I'm not sure what you point about the West of the house is about - are you saying at dawn today the Sun rose due West of North? Please explain. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318980
Ok, I now understand your point. You want something you can use to see it for yourself. I do not have such measurements, only my observations.
I meant, a western side of a house is in shade until after 12 noon. |
| Schmieder
User ID: 324203
6/13/2008 12:55 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
..... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318980
Sorry if I was being rude. It is frustrating trying to prove to others what I saw and witnessed. I guess some people are willing to accept it, others are not. What ever you choose to believe is fine. And that statement goes for everyone.
I just don't want to be called a liar. I have an issue against that. I was raised to be honest and honest I am. Sometimes too honest. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318980
6/13/2008 2:16 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Ok, I now understand your point. You want something you can use to see it for yourself. I do not have such measurements, only my observations.
I meant, a western side of a house is in shade until after 12 noon. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
What I want I guess, is for those who are saying that the Sun is in the wrong place to give their observations in terms that aren't peculiar to them but that use a common frame of reference.
It is much more helpful to say for example:
'I live in Binghamton NY State at 1pm local time the Sun was at 190 degrees azimuth whereas I was expecting it to be at 180 degrees azimuth'.
Than it is to say ‘I remember the sun always rose above my favourite bush around this time of year and now it does not.’
To compare people's observations a common system of measurement is really pretty much a necessity.
The western side of my house remains in shade until after 1 pm at the moment. Don't really see your point here |
| DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 451308
6/13/2008 2:31 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Whether all is well or the earth's tilt has changed or whatever, it's a facinating discussion. It's too bad some people in here have to act like Nazis about it. They ruin the fun of learning and debate. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 373696
6/13/2008 2:38 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Whether all is well or the earth's tilt has changed or whatever, it's a facinating discussion. It's too bad some people in here have to act like Nazis about it. They ruin the fun of learning and debate. Quoting: DarkStarCrashes 451308
This isn't debate, and no one is learning anything, except how obtuse some nitwits can be.
I can't believe this is going on after this much time. You guys should meet at the OK Corral and shoot it out. |
| DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 451308
6/13/2008 2:40 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Whether all is well or the earth's tilt has changed or whatever, it's a facinating discussion. It's too bad some people in here have to act like Nazis about it. They ruin the fun of learning and debate.
This isn't debate, and no one is learning anything, except how obtuse some nitwits can be.
I can't believe this is going on after this much time. You guys should meet at the OK Corral and shoot it out. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 373696
Like I said, this place is full of nazi asshats. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 88145
6/13/2008 4:07 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Whether all is well or the earth's tilt has changed or whatever, it's a facinating discussion. It's too bad some people in here have to act like Nazis about it. They ruin the fun of learning and debate.
This isn't debate, and no one is learning anything, except how obtuse some nitwits can be.
I can't believe this is going on after this much time. You guys should meet at the OK Corral and shoot it out.
Like I said, this place is full of nazi asshats. Quoting: DarkStarCrashes 451308
No, it's a place full of idiots who don't have the first clue about the normal motions of the sun around the equinox's. |
| DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 451308
6/13/2008 4:29 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Whether all is well or the earth's tilt has changed or whatever, it's a facinating discussion. It's too bad some people in here have to act like Nazis about it. They ruin the fun of learning and debate.
This isn't debate, and no one is learning anything, except how obtuse some nitwits can be.
I can't believe this is going on after this much time. You guys should meet at the OK Corral and shoot it out.
Like I said, this place is full of nazi asshats.
No, it's a place full of idiots who don't have the first clue about the normal motions of the sun around the equinox's. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 88145
So what? Everyone cant be as smart as you, asshat. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 451379
6/13/2008 4:36 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Whether all is well or the earth's tilt has changed or whatever, it's a facinating discussion. It's too bad some people in here have to act like Nazis about it. They ruin the fun of learning and debate.
This isn't debate, and no one is learning anything, except how obtuse some nitwits can be.
I can't believe this is going on after this much time. You guys should meet at the OK Corral and shoot it out.
Like I said, this place is full of nazi asshats.
No, it's a place full of idiots who don't have the first clue about the normal motions of the sun around the equinox's.
So what? Everyone cant be as smart as you, asshat. Quoting: DarkStarCrashes 451308
Those who can't should shut the fuck up! |
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