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| SixEyedcheeseball
User ID: 435615
6/14/2008 11:16 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Welcome to PLANET EARTH the twilight zone. 10 years ago we didn't have this stuff going on.
Don't do this Naked. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 351208
6/14/2008 11:20 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
And what evidence do you have to so surely prove this theory wrong?
Id like to hear it.
For Nibiru -
1. Climate change on earth
2. More frequent natural disasters
3. Climate change on planets other than earth.
4. Sneaky - Type in Nibiru into the NASA search engine and an eplanation into 'Planet X' comes up. Not direct evidence, but maybe a sneaky clue?
5. The amazing attention the Planet x theory is getting, not only on GLP where we have so many do gooders who despise fear mongering, but everywhere the subject is mentioned on the internet.
give me your 'Against' arguemnts. Thanks, im sure you will have plenty seen as your so hung up and caring about the whole subject.
None of your points explain how a large planet playing hide
and go seek in our inner solar system could be the cause, while parsimony says Global Warming makes more sense.
For the record, i never said the planet was playing hide and go seek. (An for that matter i never said it was a planet) I will however counter that argument by stating simply that ZetaTalk was wrong with their prediction, because either :
A. It was an honest miscalculation.
B. It was a coverup, a mere attempt to discredit the entire theory by giving an early arrival time whilst fully knowing that it would not arrive, thus giving credibility to it being a hoax.
Plus the
fact that we have only been observing weather on other
planets for less than half a century.
Our lifespan is very short. A century is but a blink of the eye when we look at events that are happening on a galactic or even universal scale.
The fact that such dramatic changes have occured in the mere time of half a century is enough evidence to prove that something is very much wrong.
These sort of galactic events happen over the space of millenia unless there is an external event that is causing them.
Amazing attention? Go up to ten people on the street and
I bet NONE of them will tell you that they know anything
about a "Planet X".
Im talking about the attention it is getting on internet forums. If i start a topic stating 'I know for a fact Santa Claus is real' It would not get near as much attention as if i posted a thread entitled 'Nibiru is real, our star is a twin to a binary star system.' Then, people would flock to prove this much less idiotic statement wrong.
It does not matter how silly of a thread i start, nothing and i mean NOTHING will get more attention then threads that focus on 'climate change' and 'nibiru/Planet X'
As circumstantial as it may seem, its still one form of evidence.
There is an invisible pink unicorn that follows you around.
I can sense it. Now, how does that make any more sense
than what you just said.
This isnt my battle but i wish to concer that in theory, if the invisible pink unicorn was leaving little pink unicorn shits lying around the place and munching bark off trees that left little pink unicorn saliva traces on the bark then this would give credibility to the theory.
Now, In line with what you just said, with that logic, electricity does not exist simply because i cannot see it.
How can we prove something that we cannot see? We look at signs that would corealate with its existance.
There is an abundance of signs out there supporting the theory that there is a celestial event happening that we are not being told about. Whether or not this is planet x i honestly do not know but i do know that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Quoting: Freeman 451713
your evidence rests on climate change and an increase of natural diasters. well climate change has a well established cause and there isnt actual an increase in natural disasters (its just the effect of them seem more extreme since there is a much larger population living in the effected areas and better news reporting). There were earthquakes that killed 100,000's in the past and there will be again. climate change on other planets is bunk (nothing out of the usual, and most of the plantery bodies are not effected)
electricities effects can be directly observed and are obviously correct.
besides even if there was a nibiru then the fact that it is obviously no where near us (can u see it?) means that it could not possible have any of the effects you describe. These are the facts.
but carry on beleiving in it , i dont care |
| Freeman
User ID: 451713
6/14/2008 11:43 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
your evidence rests on climate change and an increase of natural diasters. well climate change has a well established cause and there isnt actual an increase in natural disasters Quoting: Anonymous Coward 351208
Care to elaborate on this 'well established cause'
This in fact is probably the most important point and im amused at your dodging of the question.
(its just the effect of them seem more extreme since there is a much larger population living in the effected areas and better news reporting). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 351208
Natural disasters have quadrupled in two decades: study
Nov 25, 2007
LONDON (AFP) — More than four times the number of natural disasters are occurring now than did two decades ago, British charity Oxfam said in a study Sunday that largely blamed global warming.
"Oxfam... says that rising green house gas emissions are the major cause of weather-related disasters and must be tackled," the organisation said, adding that the world's poorest people were being hit the hardest.
The world suffered about 120 natural disasters per year in the early 1980s, which compared with the current figure of about 500 per year, according to the report.
"This year we have seen floods in South Asia, across the breadth of Africa and Mexico that have affected more than 250 million people," noted Oxfam director Barbara Stocking.
"This is no freak year. It follows a pattern of more frequent, more erratic, more unpredictable and more extreme weather events that are affecting more people."
She added: "Action is needed now to prepare for more disasters otherwise humanitarian assistance will be overwhelmed and recent advances in human development will go into reverse."
The number of people affected by extreme natural disasters, meanwhile, has surged by almost 70 percent, from 174 million a year between 1985 to 1994, to 254 million people a year between 1995 to 2004, Oxfam said.
Floods and wind-storms have increased from 60 events in 1980 to 240 last year, with flooding itself up six-fold.
But the number of geothermal events, such as earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, has barely changed.
Oxfam urged Western governments to push hard for a deal on climate change at a key international meeting that runs December 3-14 on the Indonesian island of Bali.
Rich Western nations and the United Nations must act to "make humanitarian aid faster, fairer and more flexible and to improve ways to prepare for and reduce the risk of disasters," it said.
The United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change conference in Bali aims to see countries agree to launch a roadmap for negotiating cuts in climate-changing carbon emissions from 2012.
The Oxfam study was compiled using data from the Red Cross, the United Nations and specialist researchers at Louvain University in Belgium.
[link to afp.google.com]
Thats pretty self explanatory.
There were earthquakes that killed 100,000's in the past and there will be again. climate change on other planets is bunk (nothing out of the usual, and most of the plantery bodies are not effected) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 351208
April 29, 2007
Climate change hits Mars
Mars is being hit by rapid climate change and it is happening so fast that the red planet could lose its southern ice cap, writes Jonathan Leake.
Scientists from Nasa say that Mars has warmed by about 0.5C since the 1970s. This is similar to the warming experienced on Earth over approximately the same period.
Since there is no known life on Mars it suggests rapid changes in planetary climates could be natural phenomena.
The mechanism at work on Mars appears, however, to be different from that on Earth. One of the researchers, Lori Fenton, believes variations in radiation and temperature across the surface of the Red Planet are generating strong winds.
In a paper published in the journal Nature, she suggests that such winds can stir up giant dust storms, trapping heat and raising the planet’s temperature.
Fenton’s team unearthed heat maps of the Martian surface from Nasa’s Viking mission in the 1970s and compared them with maps gathered more than two decades later by Mars Global Surveyor. They found there had been widespread changes, with some areas becoming darker.
When a surface darkens it absorbs more heat, eventually radiating that heat back to warm the thin Martian atmosphere: lighter surfaces have the opposite effect. The temperature differences between the two are thought to be stirring up more winds, and dust, creating a cycle that is warming the planet.
[link to www.timesonline.co.uk]
Thats just one example. Not bunk, fact.
besides even if there was a nibiru then the fact that it is obviously no where near us (can u see it?) means that it could not possible have any of the effects you describe. These are the facts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 351208
That VERY much depends on what trajectory such a celestial object will approach us from.
It could very well be approaching from behind the sun. |
| Geogal
User ID: 373387
6/14/2008 11:46 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Remember the cranes in New York falling over, the Oceans swashing creating unusual high tides, freakishly strong earthquakes where they do not belong (i.e. China) and unusual weather patterns. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
Hi Schmieder,
That name sounds German to me. Is it?
I also need to chime in on the China earthquakes not belonging there. They happened on a known but very hard to specifically locate reverse thrust fault. Hard to specifically locate for 2 main reasons, the type of faulting makes it difficult, and the fact that there tends to be so many landslides in the area that cover it often also makes it really difficult to specifically place (meaning put your finger on it, but the "zone" or about 100 ft range is known).
That same fault has not gone off in about 70 years. Here's a historical list of earthquakes in China with their magnitudes (or approximate) and death toll, if applicable. [link to earthquake.usgs.gov]
Fact is, due to the way that China and India are slamming into each other (one obvious bit of evidence is the Himalayas') and the major style of subduction going on on their eastern and southern borders, China is well known for large earthquakes, more often than Chile even.
japan is also known for large and common earthquakes. (also found on the list in the link above) ONe of the reasons that they are trying the hardest in the world to come up with technology to predict and give people some warning. Yesterdays Mw6.9 and Mw5.5 aftershock was predicted by 2 minutes.
Hope that helps on this subject.
Woman of white garment, foreign woman, earth-eating woman, taking and giving life, she is Pele
"ONCE IN HIS LIFE, EVERY MAN IS ENTITLED TO FALL MADLY IN LOVE WITH A GORGEOUS REDHEAD" - LUCILLE BALL |
| Darza
User ID: 378572
6/14/2008 11:55 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I also need to chime in on the China earthquakes not belonging there. They happened on a known but very hard to specifically locate reverse thrust fault. Hard to specifically locate for 2 main reasons, the type of faulting makes it difficult, and the fact that there tends to be so many landslides in the area that cover it often also makes it really difficult to specifically place (meaning put your finger on it, but the "zone" or about 100 ft range is known).
That same fault has not gone off in about 70 years. Here's a historical list of earthquakes in China with their magnitudes (or approximate) and death toll, if applicable. [ link to earthquake.usgs.gov]
Hi Geogal, that makes it even stranger that the Chaiten volcano is on the antipode of the Chinese earthquake, they are on 1 line through the core. Another clue it was man made. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 351208
6/14/2008 11:56 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
your evidence rests on climate change and an increase of natural diasters. well climate change has a well established cause and there isnt actual an increase in natural disasters
Care to elaborate on this 'well established cause'
This in fact is probably the most important point and im amused at your dodging of the question.
(its just the effect of them seem more extreme since there is a much larger population living in the effected areas and better news reporting).
Natural disasters have quadrupled in two decades: study
Nov 25, 2007
LONDON (AFP) — More than four times the number of natural disasters are occurring now than did two decades ago, British charity Oxfam said in a study Sunday that largely blamed global warming.
"Oxfam... says that rising green house gas emissions are the major cause of weather-related disasters and must be tackled," the organisation said, adding that the world's poorest people were being hit the hardest.
The world suffered about 120 natural disasters per year in the early 1980s, which compared with the current figure of about 500 per year, according to the report.
"This year we have seen floods in South Asia, across the breadth of Africa and Mexico that have affected more than 250 million people," noted Oxfam director Barbara Stocking.
"This is no freak year. It follows a pattern of more frequent, more erratic, more unpredictable and more extreme weather events that are affecting more people."
She added: "Action is needed now to prepare for more disasters otherwise humanitarian assistance will be overwhelmed and recent advances in human development will go into reverse."
The number of people affected by extreme natural disasters, meanwhile, has surged by almost 70 percent, from 174 million a year between 1985 to 1994, to 254 million people a year between 1995 to 2004, Oxfam said.
Floods and wind-storms have increased from 60 events in 1980 to 240 last year, with flooding itself up six-fold.
But the number of geothermal events, such as earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, has barely changed.
Oxfam urged Western governments to push hard for a deal on climate change at a key international meeting that runs December 3-14 on the Indonesian island of Bali.
Rich Western nations and the United Nations must act to "make humanitarian aid faster, fairer and more flexible and to improve ways to prepare for and reduce the risk of disasters," it said.
The United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change conference in Bali aims to see countries agree to launch a roadmap for negotiating cuts in climate-changing carbon emissions from 2012.
The Oxfam study was compiled using data from the Red Cross, the United Nations and specialist researchers at Louvain University in Belgium.
[ link to afp.google.com]
Thats pretty self explanatory.
There were earthquakes that killed 100,000's in the past and there will be again. climate change on other planets is bunk (nothing out of the usual, and most of the plantery bodies are not effected)
April 29, 2007
Climate change hits Mars
Mars is being hit by rapid climate change and it is happening so fast that the red planet could lose its southern ice cap, writes Jonathan Leake.
Scientists from Nasa say that Mars has warmed by about 0.5C since the 1970s. This is similar to the warming experienced on Earth over approximately the same period.
Since there is no known life on Mars it suggests rapid changes in planetary climates could be natural phenomena.
The mechanism at work on Mars appears, however, to be different from that on Earth. One of the researchers, Lori Fenton, believes variations in radiation and temperature across the surface of the Red Planet are generating strong winds.
In a paper published in the journal Nature, she suggests that such winds can stir up giant dust storms, trapping heat and raising the planet’s temperature.
Fenton’s team unearthed heat maps of the Martian surface from Nasa’s Viking mission in the 1970s and compared them with maps gathered more than two decades later by Mars Global Surveyor. They found there had been widespread changes, with some areas becoming darker.
When a surface darkens it absorbs more heat, eventually radiating that heat back to warm the thin Martian atmosphere: lighter surfaces have the opposite effect. The temperature differences between the two are thought to be stirring up more winds, and dust, creating a cycle that is warming the planet.
[ link to www.timesonline.co.uk]
Thats just one example. Not bunk, fact.
besides even if there was a nibiru then the fact that it is obviously no where near us (can u see it?) means that it could not possible have any of the effects you describe. These are the facts.
That VERY much depends on what trajectory such a celestial object will approach us from.
It could very well be approaching from behind the sun.
you found some good articles but neither support your conclusion.
The increase in flooding cyclones etc is said to be a direct effect of climat echange which is a direct effect of increased cO2 concentartions in the atmosphere.
the warming of mars is said to be due to darker patches which in turn create more winds and thus more darker patches and heating. It doesnt explain how it all started but it in no way implies an external force, but simlply natural forces.
as far as nibiru being behind the sun (hasnt it been there for years now?) well we rotate around the sun so it couldnt be hided for very long (a few months). even if it was directly behond the sun now would we not have seen it approaching 6 months ago when we were on the other side of the sun. (if you argue that it was not in the solar system then it would have to be traveling with such stupendous velocity that it could not possibly be in orbit and could never have passed by in the past. Not only that but even if it was "behind " the sun its total gravitational excertion on us would be a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent compared to the sun. when mars comes close to us (remember sometimes it is on the opposite side of the sun to compared to us) does it have any effect on us? NO. what you say makes NO sense.
carry on beleiving. time will tell |
| DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 451787
6/14/2008 12:01 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Darkstarcrashes, I hope I haven't insulted you in any way through out this forum. If I had, I am sorry. I see you have a head on your shoulders. Take care.
Don't worry, buddy, you haven't. I'm glad you are on our team! Peace!
What is that, the idiot team? I CANT believe this shit is still going on. So you believe some guy who says he sat in his chair and the sun looks right. But thousand year old pyramids built SPECIFICALLY to track the Sun's motion are completely faked? I STILL REFUSE TO BELIEVE ANYONE IS THIS STUPID. If the Earth was coming out of it's orbit, or "wobbling" or ANYTHING you would KNOW about it immediately because you would DIE as the oceans boiled away. HOW FUCKING RETARDED ARE YOU? Quoting: Mexican 450655
Pal, relax. it will be OK, dont crap your underwaer. get some love in your heart, your hostility is unwarranted. and the earth does wobble, dorkus, it's called the chamdler wobble. look it up. Do you throw a fit anything someone questions convention? Get a life. |
| Geogal
User ID: 373387
6/14/2008 12:13 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Hi Geogal, that makes it even stranger that the Chaiten volcano is on the antipode of the Chinese earthquake, they are on 1 line through the core. Another clue it was man made. Quoting: Darza
Hi Darza,
yep.. I remember your hypothesis... but, i still don't believe it. For a few factors, but one of the main ones is the amounts of energy involved.
Here's another perplexing thing that makes me unable to believe the "man-made earthquake/volcano" idea... long before HAARP or any of this stuff was even a dream, there were strong earthquakes and volcanoes (like Chaiten) going off at about the same rate as today. I say about, because, we get info around the globe much more quickly and accurately today with our satellites and the internet and the like. We can also more easily view into remote locations and see volcanoes there, like Antarctica, underwater by over 1000 feet. Yes, there were volcanoes with just under 10k years of dormancy that have been known to wake one day and go off. This happened long before flight, Tessla coils, atom bombs, heck, even before the first fireworks in China. So, with that kind of historical evidence, do you see why I have such difficulty believing the man-made hypothesis? I don't by any means want to tell you what to believe, just please don't be a bit surprised by me having no faith in it at all.
Woman of white garment, foreign woman, earth-eating woman, taking and giving life, she is Pele
"ONCE IN HIS LIFE, EVERY MAN IS ENTITLED TO FALL MADLY IN LOVE WITH A GORGEOUS REDHEAD" - LUCILLE BALL |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 88145
6/14/2008 12:13 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Pal, relax. it will be OK, dont crap your underwaer. get some love in your heart, your hostility is unwarranted. and the earth does wobble, dorkus, it's called the chamdler wobble. look it up. Do you throw a fit anything someone questions convention? Get a life. Quoting: DarkStarCrashes 451787
Do you realize how incredibly small the well-known Chandler Wobble is? Just a few feet at the poles. |
| Freeman
User ID: 451713
6/14/2008 12:13 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
The increase in flooding cyclones etc is said to be a direct effect of climat echange which is a direct effect of increased cO2 concentartions in the atmosphere. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 351208
Simply not true.
And even if you think so, over 30,000 credited scientists adamently disagree with you.
31,000 scientists reject 'global warming' agenda
'Mr. Gore's movie has claims no informed expert endorses'
Posted: May 19, 2008
8:51 pm Eastern
By Bob Unruh
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
More than 31,000 scientists across the U.S. – including more than 9,000 Ph.D.s in fields such as atmospheric science, climatology, Earth science, environment and dozens of other specialties – have signed a petition rejecting "global warming," the assumption that the human production of greenhouse gases is damaging Earth's climate.
"There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate," the petition states. "Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth."
The Petition Project actually was launched nearly 10 years ago, when the first few thousand signatures were assembled. Then, between 1999 and 2007, the list of signatures grew gradually without any special effort or campaign.
But now, a new effort has been conducted because of an "escalation of the claims of 'consensus,' release of the movie 'An Inconvenient Truth' by Mr. Al Gore, and related events," according to officials with the project.
the warming of mars is said to be due to darker patches which in turn create more winds and thus more darker patches and heating. It doesnt explain how it all started but it in no way implies an external force, but simlply natural forces. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 351208
And what is causing the wind to act uncharacteristicly?
Also, im not just talking about mars.
heres a quick snippet :
Other warming worlds
Others have pointed out anomalous warming on other worlds in our solar system.
Benny Peiser, a social anthropologist at Liverpool John Moores University who monitors studies and news reports of asteroids, global warming and other potentially apocalyptic topics, recently quoted in his daily electronic newsletter the following from a blog called Strata-Sphere:
“Global warming on Neptune's moon Triton as well as Jupiter and Pluto, and now Mars has some [scientists] scratching their heads over what could possibly be in common with the warming of all these planets ... Could there be something in common with all the planets in our solar system that might cause them all to warm at the same time?”
Rest of the article can be found here :
[link to www.livescience.com]
as far as nibiru being behind the sun (hasnt it been there for years now?) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 351208
Who said that? What exactly gives you that impression. You seem to be quoting Nancy Leider there. Quite a strange thing for an inteligent person to do.
well we rotate around the sun so it couldnt be hided for very long (a few months). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 351208
Good point.
I was just using that as an example as too the possible scenarios.
Instead imagine that it is approaching from our southern hemisphere.
even if it was directly behond the sun now would we not have seen it approaching 6 months ago when we were on the other side of the sun. (if you argue that it was not in the solar system then it would have to be traveling with such stupendous velocity that it could not possibly be in orbit and could never have passed by in the past. Not only that but even if it was "behind " the sun its total gravitational excertion on us would be a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent compared to the sun. when mars comes close to us (remember sometimes it is on the opposite side of the sun to compared to us) does it have any effect on us? NO. what you say makes NO sense. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 351208
Same as above.
carry on beleiving. time will tell Quoting: Anonymous Coward 351208
I never said i believed it, im merely pointing out the fact that so many people are saying that the theory is bullshit when it is in fact highly plausible.
Time will tell im sure. Its not the Nibiru theory that im worried about.. |
| Schmieder
User ID: 324203
6/14/2008 12:23 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
HOLY SHIT!!!Just when I thought it can't POSSIBLY get any stupider, it does! AMAZING. Can you manage to tie your shoes by yourself? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 450655
I cant believe I kiss your mother after you do with that filthy mouth of yours. You need to got to the 'I'm an angry jerk' forum. |
| Schmieder
User ID: 324203
6/14/2008 12:25 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
sunrise is 730(red outline)
Latitude 40*27'
You are saying the Sun rose at 7.30 am at latitude 40 27. I am assuming you are in North America right? Pittsburgh is at that latitude but maybe not at the same longitude as you and In Pittsburgh the Sun rose at 5.49 am This make me very suspicious of your measuments. What longitude are you at? Or at least can you give the State that you are in if you do not want to be too specific about yur location Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318980
my mistake, 7:30 is when there appears to be a shifting, 5:50 is approx when the sun rose that day. But in your mind, there is no room for errors. Nice try, but you will not hinder my investigation. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 351208
6/14/2008 12:29 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
sunrise is 730(red outline)
Latitude 40*27'
You are saying the Sun rose at 7.30 am at latitude 40 27. I am assuming you are in North America right? Pittsburgh is at that latitude but maybe not at the same longitude as you and In Pittsburgh the Sun rose at 5.49 am This make me very suspicious of your measuments. What longitude are you at? Or at least can you give the State that you are in if you do not want to be too specific about yur location
my mistake, 7:30 is when there appears to be a shifting, 5:50 is approx when the sun rose that day. But in your mind, there is no room for errors. Nice try, but you will not hinder my investigation. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
haha u carry on your "investigation"
maybe afterwards you can study the mystery of why does water come out of a tap when you turn it on or maybe you can study if the world dissapears when u close your eyes.
good luck!! |
| Schmieder
User ID: 324203
6/14/2008 12:42 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Hi Geogal, that makes it even stranger that the Chaiten volcano is on the antipode of the Chinese earthquake, they are on 1 line through the core. Another clue it was man made.
Hi Darza,
yep.. I remember your hypothesis... but, i still don't believe it. For a few factors, but one of the main ones is the amounts of energy involved.
Here's another perplexing thing that makes me unable to believe the "man-made earthquake/volcano" idea... long before HAARP or any of this stuff was even a dream, there were strong earthquakes and volcanoes (like Chaiten) going off at about the same rate as today. I say about, because, we get info around the globe much more quickly and accurately today with our satellites and the internet and the like. We can also more easily view into remote locations and see volcanoes there, like Antarctica, underwater by over 1000 feet. Yes, there were volcanoes with just under 10k years of dormancy that have been known to wake one day and go off. This happened long before flight, Tessla coils, atom bombs, heck, even before the first fireworks in China. So, with that kind of historical evidence, do you see why I have such difficulty believing the man-made hypothesis? I don't by any means want to tell you what to believe, just please don't be a bit surprised by me having no faith in it at all. Quoting: Geogal
You make a good argument but, the internet doesn't increase our awarness of natural disasters, it only speeds up when we learn of them. As of right now, we can look at records of the past before the internet and still get a world wide report of what natural disasters happened, when and about how strong they were.
Also, gamma ray bursts are known to be the most energetic thing out there (so far). It shows violent energy outbursts can be delivered in a linear way. Suppose some gravitational energy, in the form of a tube like emission, were to hit earth and create or help trigger the two events. OR, straight above Chiaten is a smaller but highly gravitic object and the pull is now reaching a critical mass at chiaten and the push is being exerted on the antipode near the Chinese quake. Just a theory but I like to think abroad.
I like to think of two questions which, 1 of the 2 has been answered, the other yet to be.
1. Is there something strange happening?
2. What is causing it?
Geogal, thank you for being civilized. I really appreciate your input. |
| Schmieder
User ID: 324203
6/14/2008 12:52 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Time will tell im sure. Its not the Nibiru theory that im worried about.. Quoting: Freeman 451713
lol, let me guess, it's not the Nibiru theory you worry about, rather, it is how blind people can be and the consequences of their blissful ignorance.
When the shtf, all those non-believers will be dying of by the thousands. As unfortunate it will be, there simply will not be enough food and water to go around. When the day comes, I will pray for your soul.
Even if it never happens, you all should have realized by now anything can happen and you need to be prepared for the worst. It has been only about 60 some years when people stopped setting aside food and water storages. Is it a trend or are we all being cattled to death.
Think about it de-bunkers. FarmLand Groceries will not be around forever. |
| Schmieder
User ID: 324203
6/14/2008 12:58 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
haha u carry on your "investigation" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 351208
and I shall.
maybe afterwards you can study the mystery of why does water come out of a tap when you turn it on or maybe you can study if the world dissapears when u close your eyes.
good luck!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 351208
Regardless of what your momma has taught you, there is no mystery behind those everyday realities.
But then again, it is my fault. I should have stuck around and raised you as a good little bunker you are. Or did she tell you yet, oops, sorry. |
| Darza
User ID: 378572
6/14/2008 1:02 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Hi Geogal, that makes it even stranger that the Chaiten volcano is on the antipode of the Chinese earthquake, they are on 1 line through the core. Another clue it was man made.
Hi Darza,
yep.. I remember your hypothesis... but, i still don't believe it. For a few factors, but one of the main ones is the amounts of energy involved.
Here's another perplexing thing that makes me unable to believe the "man-made earthquake/volcano" idea... long before HAARP or any of this stuff was even a dream, there were strong earthquakes and volcanoes (like Chaiten) going off at about the same rate as today. I say about, because, we get info around the globe much more quickly and accurately today with our satellites and the internet and the like. We can also more easily view into remote locations and see volcanoes there, like Antarctica, underwater by over 1000 feet. Yes, there were volcanoes with just under 10k years of dormancy that have been known to wake one day and go off. This happened long before flight, Tessla coils, atom bombs, heck, even before the first fireworks in China. So, with that kind of historical evidence, do you see why I have such difficulty believing the man-made hypothesis? I don't by any means want to tell you what to believe, just please don't be a bit surprised by me having no faith in it at all. Quoting: Geogal
Hi Geogal,
To be honest it is not my theory, i borrowed it from a lot of fellow glp'ers. lol
Like yourself i am not into believing, i do my own research, make my own decisions, my responsibility. I am in the process of deleting all belief systems in my mind, to get it open to the max when tshtf.
Earlier in life in school i learned a scientific method: make a theory and then try to disprove it, the harder it gets to disprove, the more credit the theory. I noticed in practice this gives me the opportunity to get the picture bigger.
I.e. do you have an explanation why Chaiten and China are on an axis? Why there are reports China is threatening to strike back? Reports of an atomic explosion prior to the quake? The coloring of the clouds 30 min prior to the quake? CERN about ready? Omega? Tesla? PX? The supernova?
I have this still flawed picture, but it gets clearer by the day as with this thread.
Like what you said the quake was out of place? i can easily fit it in. to get an integrated picture ready for new info. |
| Geogal
User ID: 373387
6/14/2008 1:08 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
You make a good argument but, the internet doesn't increase our awarness of natural disasters, it only speeds up when we learn of them. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
my point exactly.
As of right now, we can look at records of the past before the internet and still get a world wide report of what natural disasters happened, when and about how strong they were. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
Maybe not recorded as much as you think. (as explanation for my point of view, I look at things on a very long timeline way... like back to 1200AD I consider a very short period of time) In March there was a Mw7.2 earthquake in a remote area of China, near the western border. If I remember correctly, no reports of deaths and little to no damage. This was one that may not have been recorded in the past (say back in 1200 or 1500 AD or even BC), with so little to record other than the earth shook. But, yet, it was in the same magnitude range as the May event.
Also, gamma ray bursts are known to be the most energetic thing out there (so far). It shows violent energy outbursts can be delivered in a linear way. Suppose some gravitational energy, in the form of a tube like emission, were to hit earth and create or help trigger the two events. OR, straight above Chiaten is a smaller but highly gravitic object and the pull is now reaching a critical mass at chiaten and the push is being exerted on the antipode near the Chinese quake. Just a theory but I like to think abroad. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
GRB's on the level of energy required are normally due to supernovas and the like. Is this what you're thinking of? Or do you know of something humans have created that's stronger than say.... a few hundred of the largest megaton weapons man has created? Yes, this is the level of energy from a very large earthquake.
I like to think of two questions which, 1 of the 2 has been answered, the other yet to be.
1. Is there something strange happening?
2. What is causing it?
Geogal, thank you for being civilized. I really appreciate your input. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
Is there something strange happening... maybe, and maybe it's part of a cycle. The earth tends to go in cycles from what I've studied, the sun does also... planets and moons tend to have their cycles in the solar point of view, correct?
What's causing it... hrmmm... depends upon either which cycle you focus in upon, tidal, earthquake, volcanic, weather, climate change, antarctic ice melts... or do you consider them all a part of the same exact thing? Is it possible we have a few cycles that just happen to be coinciding, just due to averages, or possibly those cycles are also intertwined somehow? HUGE questions and HUGE thoughts! I don't think that the combined great minds of our time have enough understanding of all of these different things to actually have an answer.
Not a problem with civility. People may not agree, but can maintain a level of not only calm during a discussion, but politeness. I figure, I give what I hope/expect to receive... civility being one of the main things you treat all other humans with.
Woman of white garment, foreign woman, earth-eating woman, taking and giving life, she is Pele
"ONCE IN HIS LIFE, EVERY MAN IS ENTITLED TO FALL MADLY IN LOVE WITH A GORGEOUS REDHEAD" - LUCILLE BALL |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 451828
6/14/2008 1:09 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
There is a difference between someone saying that you are
mistaken and calling you a liar. Ignore the name callers
and focus on the few of us that are being reasonable.
I have offered ample evidence that the Sun is behaving
normally for people in multiple locations with photographic
evidence from ancient and modern sites. I have yet to see
anyone prove otherwise.
BTW, millions of religious practitioners keep track of the
movements of the Sun through the sky, and none of them have
raised an alarm. Why do you think that is? When it comes
to religion it's hard to suppress alarm.
I here and understand what you are saying and showing. Had I not seen what I saw, I would pretty much be convinced from what you have pointed out. Unfortunately, those pics hasn't changed what I noticed. So that is the quagmire I am in.
Knowing what you present and knowing what I had presented (mainly myself conviction) (or my own personal proof) has created a strange reality for me.
I charted the suns movements yesterday, here is the pic of my markings. I found an anomaly occurring between 8:30am-9:30am. The angles are near perfect, more so then the rest. The difference per hour is easily recognizable to the naked eye, but not for 8:30-9:30am. It reminds me of the cranes in New York city falling around the 8o'clock hour, March 15th and May 30th.
As far as the measurements go, they are very accurate. I used a launcher for a model rocket and checked it from several angles with a builders square, it is a true 90 degrees straight up. I just recently tied a weight to a string and dangled it next to the launcher and it still shows a perfect 90*. I used the launchers shadow to trace the lines.
[ link to i112.photobucket.com]
[ link to i112.photobucket.com]
The details are pretty much self-explains. Purple is the direction at different times, going counterclock wise from sunrise is 730(red outline) 830 930 1030 1130am - 2pm 441pm 530 630 730(red outline) 800 and 845 sunset in green. The compass is yellow/orange. The red lines show where an anomaly is beginning. The difference from 730 to 830 is greater then what it should be. Remember when the cranes in New York City fell down, around 8 o'clock.
Also notice the angles for sunrise and sunset are too far north. I am aware they should be a little north from east and west respectively, but not that far. It seems whatever is happening is occurring at night and then corrects itself around 730-930 am EST. Ironically this is 12noon in the mid-atlantic rift. Is there any consideration to magnetism at the mid-atlantic fault line?
And why is 830am-930am so identical in angle unlike the rest?
I assure you of the accuracy of my measurements. I took every consideration into thought making sure the angles were recorded very accurately.
btw, Latitude 40*27'
Tell me what you all think (if you de-bunkers are going to be asses about it, don't bother.)
This is the first hard empirical evidence I have seen that appears to show something is altering the angle of the earth's rotational axis and this is simply incredible if true.
I'm going to build a sundial to check this out.
If anybody else is curious enough to want to check this out instructions for sundials can be found here
[link to www.sundials.co.uk]
BTW Congrats to Schmieder for having the gumption to get off his butt and actually DO something to prove his point.I don't wish to appear that I don't trust your word on this but the implications of this are so enormous that I have to see for myself. |
| Schmieder
User ID: 324203
6/14/2008 1:11 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Hey Darza, have you noticed every shill has dodged the measurements I had posted. Not one person has commented or even theorized why 8:30am and 9:30am are identical in angle. Well, you have but your not a shill.
Obviously something isn't right. Next sunny day I have I will also take pictures for each time I trace the shadow. Such evidence would be very hard to disprove.
I can smell something burning, it must be their minds in overdrive trying to come up with something to explain my charting in their little boxed up world of instant gratification and know-it-all civilization.
[link to i112.photobucket.com] |
| Geogal
User ID: 373387
6/14/2008 1:12 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
LOL! I was taught to be self reliant growing up. I raise part of my own food, know how to raise farm animals (I live in a city now, so don't have much room to raise them), always have food and water in storage (seeds also) due to living in earthquake country it's just a necessity, know many different native plants that are edible and many that are poisonous, know how to handle multiple weapons and hunt.... If the SHTF, I think I'll be OK unless I die quickly or don't have air to breath.
Think about it de-bunkers. FarmLand Groceries will not be around forever. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
Woman of white garment, foreign woman, earth-eating woman, taking and giving life, she is Pele
"ONCE IN HIS LIFE, EVERY MAN IS ENTITLED TO FALL MADLY IN LOVE WITH A GORGEOUS REDHEAD" - LUCILLE BALL |
| Darza
User ID: 378572
6/14/2008 1:21 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Hey Darza, have you noticed every shill has dodged the measurements I had posted. Not one person has commented or even theorized why 8:30am and 9:30am are identical in angle. Well, you have but your not a shill.
Obviously something isn't right. Next sunny day I have I will also take pictures for each time I trace the shadow. Such evidence would be very hard to disprove.
I can smell something burning, it must be their minds in overdrive trying to come up with something to explain my charting in their little boxed up world of instant gratification and know-it-all civilization.
[ link to i112.photobucket.com]
Hi Schmieder,
I see the dodging problem happening all the time, people have difficulty acknowledging info which contradicts their current thoughts on reality, they ignore, they are still in the dream state, follow programming, are not awake. I love change but most still fear it.
I already saw another poster who is going to do his/hers own research inspired by your work. You are helping this person to get awake, to me more important then the sun issue.
With shills i think of professionals who have info on what is going on, and are actively posting to surpress it. These i also met on glp. |
| Schmieder
User ID: 324203
6/14/2008 1:24 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Is there something strange happening... maybe, and maybe it's part of a cycle. The earth tends to go in cycles from what I've studied, the sun does also... planets and moons tend to have their cycles in the solar point of view, correct?
What's causing it... hrmmm... depends upon either which cycle you focus in upon, tidal, earthquake, volcanic, weather, climate change, antarctic ice melts... or do you consider them all a part of the same exact thing? Is it possible we have a few cycles that just happen to be coinciding, just due to averages, or possibly those cycles are also intertwined somehow? HUGE questions and HUGE thoughts! I don't think that the combined great minds of our time have enough understanding of all of these different things to actually have an answer. Quoting: Geogal
I'm not 100% about Nibiru but the theory is presented as a natural cycle. A solar system cycle. I find it is possible to have a rogue body of some sort which orbits every whatever thousands of years. In fact, if we had a brown dwarf in such an elliptical orbit, it would explain why the Earth has cycles of warming and cooling. Mass extinctions are also thought now to be cyclic in nature. I'm sure there are many Earth cycles that can be explained by an orbiting brown dwarf or similar object. There is no reason to not believe in such things. For one, they haven't been dis-proven yet. Until mankind can fly out that far or until we have technology to track every object beyond the Oort cloud, we really aren't sure. And that is what really makes the typical 'impossible' mindset so unbearable to converse with. Heck, we humans are barely beginning to discover larger bodies past Pluto, let alone anything with a very large elliptical orbit.
As far as what ???? said about us viewing Nibiru, there is two blind spots on Earth. Unless you have an observatory at either pole, their are areas which will be impossible to view until the object is right on top of us. Considering the sun helps block it out of view for the other 6 months of orbit.
Live, Love and be Happy, Peace! |
| Schmieder
User ID: 324203
6/14/2008 1:34 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
BTW Congrats to Schmieder for having the gumption to get off his butt and actually DO something to prove his point.I don't wish to appear that I don't trust your word on this but the implications of this are so enormous that I have to see for myself. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 451828
That is all I ask. For you to see for yourself. Keep in mind I have seen this effect come and go. It was only recently I have finally tracked it beyond recognizing it by my own eyes. If you do not get off-set results, do not be discouraged. Try another day. Because it seems to happen one day and not the next. Though, it has been this way for 3 days in a row now. Today, rain rain rain. I hope the weather is clear for the summer solstice. Next time I will also record the angle vertically as well horizontally.
Yes, the implications are tremendous, which is why people NEED to know this is happening.
Also, when timing, try to avoid clocks that are auto updated from a server elsewhere in the world. I'm suspicious of there accuracies concerning the cover up. Though, that will not hide the rising and setting too far north.
Good luck! |
| Geogal
User ID: 373387
6/14/2008 1:45 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Hi Geogal,
To be honest it is not my theory, i borrowed it from a lot of fellow glp'ers. lol
Like yourself i am not into believing, i do my own research, make my own decisions, my responsibility. I am in the process of deleting all belief systems in my mind, to get it open to the max when tshtf.
Earlier in life in school i learned a scientific method: make a theory and then try to disprove it, the harder it gets to disprove, the more credit the theory. I noticed in practice this gives me the opportunity to get the picture bigger.
I.e. do you have an explanation why Chaiten and China are on an axis? Why there are reports China is threatening to strike back? Reports of an atomic explosion prior to the quake? The coloring of the clouds 30 min prior to the quake? CERN about ready? Omega? Tesla? PX? The supernova?
I have this still flawed picture, but it gets clearer by the day as with this thread.
Like what you said the quake was out of place? i can easily fit it in. to get an integrated picture ready for new info. Quoting: Darza
Hey Darza!
China epicenter for the 7.9 and Chaiten (or kinda close) are antipodal I don't have the exact coords for the antipodal, do you? I think that they are just veyr close to being exactly antipodal.... well, something has to be. There's some LOL! Seriously. There's some 500 volcanoes in Chiles alone and here's a list of the known active ones [link to www.volcanolive.com] it's thought that between 1/4 to 1/3 of those volcanoes are potentially active... So, the chances of one of those volcanoes being exactly antipodal is good. Why did they erupt so close in time together? Likely would have any well known geologist stymied on that one....
China striking back... rumors abound about everything, including why someone has a heart attack and dies. Are they true, the rumors? Not altogether clear.
No, I don't think that the China quake was out of place. I think it happened on a fault that was ready to go.
I'd heard the reports of the atomic or nuclear thing may have been due to the quake. In possibly some old forgotten bunker. Got a link? I'm actually interested in this one.
The clouds some think were EQ clouds... I still have questions about where the vids were taken, because they sound out of place for the earthquake, and didn't look like clouds you'd expect to see with a 7.9, too small. I'd heard they were more related to ones you see over Iowa a lot, and other places... ice crystals. I haven't done much checking into them since I first saw the vids, honestly. They just didn't fit EQ cloud patterns,a s I understand them.
CERN... not started with testing, still in the "firing up" process as I understand it. Tesla... like as in HAARP, right? I still haven't gotten anyone to produce the proper conduit other than saying by some-kinda magic or unknown tech that it's doing something about earthquakes. It just sounds too hoaky, yah know? I know and interact with quite a few electrical engineers whom I have spoken with on the subject of HAARP... there tends to be HUGE questions about the conduit for the energy, as well as the amounts of energy.
PX... still haven't seen a single shred of evidence to make me start to believe in it. The only PlanetX I know of is Eris, the 10th planet, about 2/3 the size of earth and considered a dwarf planet.
The supernova that they caught in january and just released info on in May? Well, Supernovas happen often and they don't catch the whole thing. The amount of energy released from them still has the same effect, as far as I understand it... reduces as the radius of effect increases.. the farther from it the less you'll feel the energy wave. Therefor, a gravity wave hitting earth would not hit in just one location, as the object in question was a sphere in a 3 or 4 dimensional frame, so the gravity wave shoots off in a same said sphere, more or less. Correct? Just based upon the theory of waves and 3 dimensional aspects. I don't think that kind of energy can be directed to a beam in a single direction, like to Chaiten and 2 weeks later through the globe China, as that was the pattern/time frame they happened. But, there again, it isn't my field of expertise, so if someone knows better, I'd love to hear... I don't expect an expert in the field of space science, just someone who is actually working in that field or has taken a serious amateur approach.
Cheers!
Woman of white garment, foreign woman, earth-eating woman, taking and giving life, she is Pele
"ONCE IN HIS LIFE, EVERY MAN IS ENTITLED TO FALL MADLY IN LOVE WITH A GORGEOUS REDHEAD" - LUCILLE BALL |
| Geogal
User ID: 373387
6/14/2008 1:47 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Should be fun seeing what you discover. It was interesting and fun seeing what Schmieder discovered.
This is the first hard empirical evidence I have seen that appears to show something is altering the angle of the earth's rotational axis and this is simply incredible if true.
I'm going to build a sundial to check this out.
If anybody else is curious enough to want to check this out instructions for sundials can be found here
[ link to www.sundials.co.uk]
BTW Congrats to Schmieder for having the gumption to get off his butt and actually DO something to prove his point.I don't wish to appear that I don't trust your word on this but the implications of this are so enormous that I have to see for myself.
Woman of white garment, foreign woman, earth-eating woman, taking and giving life, she is Pele
"ONCE IN HIS LIFE, EVERY MAN IS ENTITLED TO FALL MADLY IN LOVE WITH A GORGEOUS REDHEAD" - LUCILLE BALL |
| Freeman
User ID: 451713
6/14/2008 1:52 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
lol, let me guess, it's not the Nibiru theory you worry about, rather, it is how blind people can be and the consequences of their blissful ignorance. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
I make a point of preparing for all possible outcomes.
At the moment, the nibiru incident should not be the only one of our worries.
As we speak the powers that are in control of the worlds influential countries are planning to get rid of much of the population by one means or another. THAT is what we should be worried about, and i by no means discredit the Nibiru theory by saying that, im just voicing my opinion that even if the Nibiru theory is in fact a hoax, our head is by no means off the chopping board.
When the shtf, all those non-believers will be dying of by the thousands. As unfortunate it will be, there simply will not be enough food and water to go around. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
Your making it sound like a cult now, stop that. That is incessent fear mongering and you wont catch fish when you tear holes in your net.
Im at the moment creating a web of contacts from around the globe in preperation for the events that are in store for the population.
We are going to witness some terrible terrible times ladies and gentlemen but be that as it may, you are either going to give into fear right now which will eventually prove fatal or you gather your thoughts and prepare for the future with a calm and mature mindset.
When the day comes, I will pray for your soul. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
Are you refering to me when you say that? Thanks for your prayers if so, but i am more then ready to survive the next 7 years of chaos.
Even if it never happens, you all should have realized by now anything can happen and you need to be prepared for the worst. It has been only about 60 some years when people stopped setting aside food and water storages. Is it a trend or are we all being cattled to death. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
I agree completely. People are relying on the system far too much. Its at a stage now where they are as dependent on the system as an infant is on its mother and this will prove to be a very fatal mistake.
Ive much food and much water stored, i know that when the shit hits the fan i will be ready.
Now all i have to worry about is my hungry neighbours.
*cocks shotgun* |
| Darza
User ID: 378572
6/14/2008 2:01 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Hi Geogal, i followed you with the Chaiten and the volcano update thread, you try to help the others. That is why i tried the scientific angle with you.
From what i see you have answers to a lot of dots, but not yet a line connecting them.
I am wondering, with the sun, did you measure it? And did you check the moon? If not why? You sound like someone who wants to know. What can beat our very own observations? |
| Schmieder
User ID: 324203
6/14/2008 2:03 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Welcome to PLANET EARTH the twilight zone. 10 years ago we didn't have this stuff going on. Quoting: SixEyedcheeseball
It was easier to hide back then. |
| Schmieder
User ID: 324203
6/14/2008 2:10 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Now all i have to worry about is my hungry neighbours.
*cocks shotgun* Quoting: Freeman 451713
sorry dude, I started to comment what you had said and then was making remarks for Menow and other aggressive and nasty shills. By no means did I ever mean any aggressive words towards you.
And no, no cult here. It was just a way to make a distinction between, well, those who believe and dis-believe what we are warning others about.
*cocks Shotgun* - Yeah, I know. If everyone was prepared, there would be less shooting and more surviving. Don't forget a shovel to bury the dead when your done. Or feed them to your other hungry neighbors and 'kill 2 birds w/ 1 stone' |
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