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| Geogal
User ID: 373387
6/14/2008 2:11 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Hrmmm... I wouldn't call them rogue bodies... but, I don't know exactly what the definition of "rogue" is being used here. IF something is caught in our suns gravity, then IT is part of the system, and therefor not really "rogue".
I don't know which hypothesis (as a theory in my definition needs certain levels of proof, so I use this wording, but don't expect others to) of Planet X you follow, but if it's the one that Nancy does, then it's been hanging about the sun for about 5 years now, invisible to the naked eye, telescope and all that, and though it maintains a 3600+/- year cycle (huh??? the +/- I don't get because in human history stuff that's pointed to, it doesn't seem to have an exact one. How's that work?) it's been able to hold steady at the sun for 5 years... still don't get that...
mass extinctions are still not totally understood by the best minds, meaning their exact causes and their timelines are not really an exact cycle, it seems. that would have been deadly obvious in the rock record. There seems to be multiple causes, and some of which are potential for today. But, there are no "safety zones" when mass extinctions happen on a global scale. There are localized mass extinctions that are possibly getting to be more understood... but, again, that's event to event and different oftentimes. So, it's something that would have to be looked upon on an event scale, seeming if there was an obvious reason (volcano, asteroid, flood, etc..) and then looking at the time line for such events. Again, I jsut am not seeing it as you apparently are.
the blind spots on earth are due to the satellite coverage of those areas. Those same satellites looking out wouldn't have the same blind spots as looking in towards the earth. Niburu, from my understanding, is supposed to be what... 2 or 5 times the size of earth? Depending upon whom one is talking to. Honestly, if those that believe in Niburu could just come up with a single description and single "photo" and single location and single rotational time it'd be a lot easier to discuss it's true potential or not. KWIM? EX: You and I can come up with the same description of a quarter as opposed to a penny, but then we'd come to the discussion about if silver quarters or copper pennies really do exist, and then the weight differences between the canadian equivalents in size, weight and monetary value. Just an example to show how much deviation there is in a discussion about something as basic in our everyday life as coins, as opposed to proof or disproof about a hypothesized planets existence. A single description would actually BEGIN the true discussion.
I'm not 100% about Nibiru but the theory is presented as a natural cycle. A solar system cycle. I find it is possible to have a rogue body of some sort which orbits every whatever thousands of years. In fact, if we had a brown dwarf in such an elliptical orbit, it would explain why the Earth has cycles of warming and cooling. Mass extinctions are also thought now to be cyclic in nature. I'm sure there are many Earth cycles that can be explained by an orbiting brown dwarf or similar object. There is no reason to not believe in such things. For one, they haven't been dis-proven yet. Until mankind can fly out that far or until we have technology to track every object beyond the Oort cloud, we really aren't sure. And that is what really makes the typical 'impossible' mindset so unbearable to converse with. Heck, we humans are barely beginning to discover larger bodies past Pluto, let alone anything with a very large elliptical orbit.
As far as what ???? said about us viewing Nibiru, there is two blind spots on Earth. Unless you have an observatory at either pole, their are areas which will be impossible to view until the object is right on top of us. Considering the sun helps block it out of view for the other 6 months of orbit.
Live, Love and be Happy, Peace! Quoting: Schmieder 324203
Woman of white garment, foreign woman, earth-eating woman, taking and giving life, she is Pele
"ONCE IN HIS LIFE, EVERY MAN IS ENTITLED TO FALL MADLY IN LOVE WITH A GORGEOUS REDHEAD" - LUCILLE BALL |
| Geogal
User ID: 373387
6/14/2008 2:28 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Hi Geogal, i followed you with the Chaiten and the volcano update thread, you try to help the others. That is why i tried the scientific angle with you.
From what i see you have answers to a lot of dots, but not yet a line connecting them.
I am wondering, with the sun, did you measure it? And did you check the moon? If not why? You sound like someone who wants to know. What can beat our very own observations? Quoting: Darza
Hi Darza
The sun measuring as in how? what aspect? angle? rotational proximity to eath at the time of the events? Solar flares?
Moon? again measure which aspect? It's right now in perigee, or supermoon... but wasn't at the time of those events.
As to a line connecting the dots... not altogether sure that there is one, unless it's a kinda wavy one. LOL! Wanting to know answers... always. I'm always open to new ideas, but not accepting of them as the answers or even necessarily a reality, KWIM? Wanting to help people... as much as I'm reasonably able. As to science having all or even most of the answers.... not possible, not on a geological level. But, answers to some questions, yes. It's a tool and a fairly good one, but it's not THE answer. KWIM? i am making observations and finding interesting things... but, i'm only still gathering info... there's some things that do just happen, and yes, can be coincidence, I firmly believe. Other things can be brought about by something prior happening.
Here's a what if example... IF the Mw7.9 in China happened prior to Chaiten, then I'd be more in line with the antipodal thought. But, it didn't. And Chaiten wasn't THAT powerful of an eruption to have an effect on China, as I understand the energies involved. just too low...
Woman of white garment, foreign woman, earth-eating woman, taking and giving life, she is Pele
"ONCE IN HIS LIFE, EVERY MAN IS ENTITLED TO FALL MADLY IN LOVE WITH A GORGEOUS REDHEAD" - LUCILLE BALL |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 451873
6/14/2008 2:33 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
ok, this is an example of evidence i am looking for. And no swearing too. Do you think the Earth could wobble briefly and your club not notice?
In a word, No. If the Earth were to "wobble", especially to the extreme that you people claim, there would be instant and catastrophic effects to us and the Earth's surface. Quoting:
Anyone care to apply logic?
Earth is rotating at about 1000 mph
Even a severe change in tilt would still be less than or about one 24th what earth undergoes every day.
We don't notice the 1000 mph rotation because we are moving with it.
Apply logic to claims about catastrophic shifts and realize we are not standing still in 1000 mph winds, nor watching seas sweep over lands at 1000 mph.
We move with planet earth! We move with earth's crust!
Wake up!
It's as if we are passengers on a bus traveling at 48 mph
If that bus changes lanes gradually, most passengers will not notice.
A sudden swerve and every passenger on the bus would notice.
Wobble of earth is like that gradual lane change.
Apply logic, imagine setting up your telescope.
You adjust to view what you are looking at.
Like a bus passenger viewing a mountaintop or treeline.
Only a passenger looking at the lane markers during the lane change would notice.
Only one of the millions of people looking at the sunlight on the north side of a wall for the first time, who realizes "the sun never shines on the north side of a wall this far north".
[link to www.infoplease.com]
~>Tropic of Cancer, parallel of latitude at 23°30' north of the equator; it is the northern boundary of the tropics. This parallel marks the farthest point north at which the sun can be seen directly overhead at noon; north of the parallel the sun appears less than 90° from the southern horizon at any day of the year. The sun reaches its vertical position over the Tropic of Cancer at about June 22, the summer solstice in the Northern Hemisphere.<~
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
The quake in the Indian Ocean sped up the earth's rotation.
some here, claim they would notice ANY change.
Please give links to your posts announcing you had just detected the speeding up of earth.
You are so observant, therefore there must have been such posts.
[link to www.wired.com]
Teachers' Domain: Seasons on Earth
...just as a spinning top wobbles, so does Earth wobble...
www.teachersdomain.org/resources/ ess05/sci/ess/earthsys/lp_seasons/index.html
Weather Makes Earth Wobble | LiveScienceJun 26, 2006 ... Some of the major wobbles are well studied, such as the 433-day Chandler wobble and the annual wobble, which together can tilt the Earth's ...
www.livescience.com/environment/ 060626_earth_wobbles.html
SPACE.com -- Earth's rotation axis is tilted by about 23.5 degrees, ... its tilt can wobble as much as 10 degrees from the current 25-degree angle. ...
www.space.com/scienceastronomy/070912_mars_ice.html
By all means, read and learn.
But trust those fearful of being wrong or trust your own eyes? |
| Geogal
User ID: 373387
6/14/2008 2:48 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
sorry dude, I started to comment what you had said and then was making remarks for Menow and other aggressive and nasty shills. By no means did I ever mean any aggressive words towards you. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
Just curious... unless you consider me a shill, any chance that as long as the "aggressive shills" are not in the discussion, can we drop the "shill" "debunker" references? I've always found then a bit offensive, and don't actually consider myself one, as no one is paying me to be here, I don't really have an agenda but truth as far as I can see it from a geologists perspective, and I actually do consider any reasonable hypothesis as possible. I don't COMPLETELY rule out the Nibiru (sp?)/HAARP potential, jsut do not see any evidence for it, don't see HOW the connections for HAARP is supposed to work, and well... I've already give an example of why on Nibiru.
As to some sort of cycle with the earth for volcanicoes, earthquakes, climate... I DO see cycles, some of which ARE solar related, or moon phase related, etc. There IS something with our surrounding astronomical bodies that DOES affect this planet. then there's also the interior cycles. The magma within the mantel is not evenly melted, or a well mixed batch of cookie type of material. there are differences in consistency, material amounts and even somewhat temperature depending upon where exactly you happen, or IT happens, to be at that moment. it's a constantly moving mass, much like stirring a pot of soup. And like said soup, if you were to take a ladle out are different times, you'd get slightly different amounts of stuff with each ladle. This moves constantly under the shell of the earth we walk upon and the ocean sit. So, you may get a "thinner" portion that's more easy to creep up through the crust and set off a volcano, basically it's given a "new" feeding source.
As to why you, Schmieder, are seeing a change in inclination of the sun. I'm not there with you, haven't made the same observations, and don't know what normal looks like for you. As to how your sundial worked as it did... again, no idea why, but (not accusing you) from your picture, it almost looks like it was moved a bit... the lines don't tend to come back to a central point, like I'm used to seeing with sundials I'm familiar with. Could the wind have moved it a bit during your experiment? Not trying to "debunk", I'm actually curious about the happenings during your experiment.
Woman of white garment, foreign woman, earth-eating woman, taking and giving life, she is Pele
"ONCE IN HIS LIFE, EVERY MAN IS ENTITLED TO FALL MADLY IN LOVE WITH A GORGEOUS REDHEAD" - LUCILLE BALL |
| Darza
User ID: 378572
6/14/2008 2:59 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Hi Geogal,
With measuring the moon and sun i did not refer to the eq's etc. I was referring to the topic of this thread.
Because of your name, according to geological records they found magnetized iron particles pointing at different directions, solidified in rock. What caused this? |
| Geogal
User ID: 373387
6/14/2008 3:10 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Hi Geogal,
With measuring the moon and sun i did not refer to the eq's etc. I was referring to the topic of this thread.
Because of your name, according to geological records they found magnetized iron particles pointing at different directions, solidified in rock. What caused this? Quoting: Darza
Oh... the topic of the thread... like we'd actually talk about it... LOL!
No. I haven't measured it recently. I see no changes at my home, lived here for 6 years, that aren't annual. the moon doesn't seem different to me. So, I've not had a reason to recently check it's measurements. And, I don't believe I've told anyone who said they have that there's anything wrong with them. I've questions people when they came into my fav subject... the earth, tilt, quakes and all. But, i still don't believe I've told anyone that they're off. Just given my reasons as to why i don't see the same things.
the magnetized particles are due to the flow of the earths magnetic field at the time that the crystals cooled... the study of that is called paleomagnetics. Sometimes the rocks get twisted and turned as per plate tectonics or normal metamorphic processes, but when you "turn" them back to the position that they were in at the time of cooling, you find the direction of magnetic flow. it's how theory of magnetic polar reversals were proven, polar wander, and the like. Does that answer?
Woman of white garment, foreign woman, earth-eating woman, taking and giving life, she is Pele
"ONCE IN HIS LIFE, EVERY MAN IS ENTITLED TO FALL MADLY IN LOVE WITH A GORGEOUS REDHEAD" - LUCILLE BALL |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 451897
6/14/2008 3:24 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Hrmmm... I wouldn't call them rogue bodies... but, I don't know exactly what the definition of "rogue" is being used here. IF something is caught in our suns gravity, then IT is part of the system, and therefor not really "rogue".
I don't know which hypothesis (as a theory in my definition needs certain levels of proof, so I use this wording, but don't expect others to) of Planet X you follow, but if it's the one that Nancy does, then it's been hanging about the sun for about 5 years now, invisible to the naked eye, telescope and all that, and though it maintains a 3600+/- year cycle (huh??? the +/- I don't get because in human history stuff that's pointed to, it doesn't seem to have an exact one. How's that work?) it's been able to hold steady at the sun for 5 years... still don't get that...
mass extinctions are still not totally understood by the best minds, meaning their exact causes and their timelines are not really an exact cycle, it seems. that would have been deadly obvious in the rock record. There seems to be multiple causes, and some of which are potential for today. But, there are no "safety zones" when mass extinctions happen on a global scale. There are localized mass extinctions that are possibly getting to be more understood... but, again, that's event to event and different oftentimes. So, it's something that would have to be looked upon on an event scale, seeming if there was an obvious reason (volcano, asteroid, flood, etc..) and then looking at the time line for such events. Again, I jsut am not seeing it as you apparently are.
the blind spots on earth are due to the satellite coverage of those areas. Those same satellites looking out wouldn't have the same blind spots as looking in towards the earth. Niburu, from my understanding, is supposed to be what... 2 or 5 times the size of earth? Depending upon whom one is talking to. Honestly, if those that believe in Niburu could just come up with a single description and single "photo" and single location and single rotational time it'd be a lot easier to discuss it's true potential or not. KWIM? EX: You and I can come up with the same description of a quarter as opposed to a penny, but then we'd come to the discussion about if silver quarters or copper pennies really do exist, and then the weight differences between the canadian equivalents in size, weight and monetary value. Just an example to show how much deviation there is in a discussion about something as basic in our everyday life as coins, as opposed to proof or disproof about a hypothesized planets existence. A single description would actually BEGIN the true discussion.
I'm not 100% about Nibiru but the theory is presented as a natural cycle. A solar system cycle. I find it is possible to have a rogue body of some sort which orbits every whatever thousands of years. In fact, if we had a brown dwarf in such an elliptical orbit, it would explain why the Earth has cycles of warming and cooling. Mass extinctions are also thought now to be cyclic in nature. I'm sure there are many Earth cycles that can be explained by an orbiting brown dwarf or similar object. There is no reason to not believe in such things. For one, they haven't been dis-proven yet. Until mankind can fly out that far or until we have technology to track every object beyond the Oort cloud, we really aren't sure. And that is what really makes the typical 'impossible' mindset so unbearable to converse with. Heck, we humans are barely beginning to discover larger bodies past Pluto, let alone anything with a very large elliptical orbit.
As far as what ???? said about us viewing Nibiru, there is two blind spots on Earth. Unless you have an observatory at either pole, their are areas which will be impossible to view until the object is right on top of us. Considering the sun helps block it out of view for the other 6 months of orbit.
Live, Love and be Happy, Peace! Quoting: Geogal
Is this why we've built a huge telescope at the South Pole?:
[link to i299.photobucket.com] |
| DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 451787
6/14/2008 3:56 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Pal, relax. it will be OK, dont crap your underwaer. get some love in your heart, your hostility is unwarranted. and the earth does wobble, dorkus, it's called the chamdler wobble. look it up. Do you throw a fit anything someone questions convention? Get a life.
Do you realize how incredibly small the well-known Chandler Wobble is? Just a few feet at the poles. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 88145
You are wrong. look it up. You are ignorant of earth's long history. |
| Geogal
User ID: 373387
6/14/2008 3:57 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 451897
Don't know if anyone is trying to view the ever elusive PX... but,m found a link to the actual telescope
[link to pole.uchicago.edu]
Like I said before, to discuss PlanetX properly, there's either going to have to be a consensus as to what and where it is, or each person who wants to discuss is gona have to have a link to a specific description. Otherwise, I could say I want to talk about a flower and start the discussion as to what type of soil it should be in, full sun or not, what to feed it or is it self feeding, and you'd have no idea what I was wanting from you until we DEFINE the flower (rose, hibiscus, camellia, forget-me-not, etc)
KWIM? |
| Geogal
User ID: 373387
6/14/2008 4:04 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Is this why we've built a huge telescope at the South Pole?: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 451897
OH... now this is cool! I just started looking into the SPT more... darn cool! This is one of the reasons I really enjoy GLP. Things I wouldn't normally look up or worry about, I do out of interest or curiosity....
"The South Pole Telescope is a huge undertaking! More than thirty scientists and engineers make up the team to build and operate this enormous instrument, and many more people are involved in supporting the effort at the South Pole Station. Building this telescope in one of the most extreme locations on the planet has posed unique challenges.
Why go to all this trouble?
What do we hope to learn?
OVERVIEW
The South Pole Telescope (SPT) is being built to try to answer big questions about the universe as a whole, rather than questions about the stars, galaxies, or other objects that make up the universe.
How old is the Universe?
What kinds of things are in the Universe?
How has it changed as it aged?
Can we understand or make "pictures" that describe how the Universe as a whole works?
Can we say anything about how the Universe will look in the future?"
[link to spt.uchicago.edu]
Woman of white garment, foreign woman, earth-eating woman, taking and giving life, she is Pele
"ONCE IN HIS LIFE, EVERY MAN IS ENTITLED TO FALL MADLY IN LOVE WITH A GORGEOUS REDHEAD" - LUCILLE BALL |
| Nighthawk
User ID: 417071
6/14/2008 4:05 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
you mean people like me among many others who have posted similar claims? And if you make a living from it, speaking up will destroy your career.
Why can't people understand this? Quoting: Schmieder 324203
Why would reporting this destroy a career? Especially an amateur? Most amateur astronomers dream of discovering someting that has not been reported before.
Everywhere but government controlled institutions/businesses like CNN, FoxNews, Reuters, MSNBC, NASA, ESA, BBC, ect.....
As far as I can see, it is everywhere but these government controlled areas. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
Could you please post some links for this as I did a search and the only site reporting this are here (GLP) and Zetababble.
Is it possible the Twin Towers were destroyed to prevent the wobble from tipping them over? Seems it would be near impossible to hide if that were the case. One building could be explained as a structural deficiency, but not two. But that is just a theory, I'm not committing any basis of reason there concerning 9-11-01. That is still a touchy subject. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
By this reasoning then they would be destroying every tall building in existance
Remember the cranes in New York falling over, the Oceans swashing creating unusual high tides, freakishly strong earthquakes where they do not belong (i.e. China) and unusual weather patterns. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
China is located in one of the most active seismic regions of the world. The recent large quake there doesn't even come close the the worst one they have had.
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| CanadianVandal
User ID: 451608
6/14/2008 4:07 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
It has been for awhile now...
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You"
:marble78::marble78::marble78: |
| Darza
User ID: 378572
6/14/2008 4:19 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Hi Geogal,
With measuring the moon and sun i did not refer to the eq's etc. I was referring to the topic of this thread.
Because of your name, according to geological records they found magnetized iron particles pointing at different directions, solidified in rock. What caused this?
Oh... the topic of the thread... like we'd actually talk about it... LOL!
No. I haven't measured it recently. I see no changes at my home, lived here for 6 years, that aren't annual. the moon doesn't seem different to me. So, I've not had a reason to recently check it's measurements. And, I don't believe I've told anyone who said they have that there's anything wrong with them. I've questions people when they came into my fav subject... the earth, tilt, quakes and all. But, i still don't believe I've told anyone that they're off. Just given my reasons as to why i don't see the same things.
the magnetized particles are due to the flow of the earths magnetic field at the time that the crystals cooled... the study of that is called paleomagnetics. Sometimes the rocks get twisted and turned as per plate tectonics or normal metamorphic processes, but when you "turn" them back to the position that they were in at the time of cooling, you find the direction of magnetic flow. it's how theory of magnetic polar reversals were proven, polar wander, and the like. Does that answer? Quoting: Geogal
Hi Geogal,
To my surprise you avoided the word poleshift, which scientists have well documented from geological records. The only argument i hear from them is how many there were in the past. You seem to have studied the subject so from you words i conclude you did it on purpose. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318980
6/14/2008 4:32 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
sunrise is 730(red outline)
Latitude 40*27'
You are saying the Sun rose at 7.30 am at latitude 40 27. I am assuming you are in North America right? Pittsburgh is at that latitude but maybe not at the same longitude as you and In Pittsburgh the Sun rose at 5.49 am This make me very suspicious of your measuments. What longitude are you at? Or at least can you give the State that you are in if you do not want to be too specific about yur location
my mistake, 7:30 is when there appears to be a shifting, 5:50 is approx when the sun rose that day. But in your mind, there is no room for errors. Nice try, but you will not hinder my investigation. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
Precise;y the opposite - in my mind there is much room for imagining error in your observations and I just pointed out one - this does not lead me to trust your other observations |
| Geogal
User ID: 373387
6/14/2008 4:37 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Hi Darza.
The term "pole shift" as popularized as i understand it is not actually what is referred to as 2 other similar terms... polar wander and magnetic polar reversal. The term "pole shift" popularized refers, as far as I'm aware, to an actual shift of the axial tilt of the planet, not jsut a minor "wander" of a few degrees. So, no. i don't use the term "pole shift" because, as far as I know and have researched it, isn't possible with the way the planet is today without actually being caused by a HUGE outside force like a VERY large asteroid/small moon hitting the planet or a Mw12+ earthquake... theoretically possible, but would likely take a solar flare ACTUALLY or nearly touching the earth... that level of energy.
Do you have a different definition for pole shift? Links I'd be interested in?
Hi Geogal,
To my surprise you avoided the word poleshift, which scientists have well documented from geological records. The only argument i hear from them is how many there were in the past. You seem to have studied the subject so from you words i conclude you did it on purpose. Quoting: Darza
Woman of white garment, foreign woman, earth-eating woman, taking and giving life, she is Pele
"ONCE IN HIS LIFE, EVERY MAN IS ENTITLED TO FALL MADLY IN LOVE WITH A GORGEOUS REDHEAD" - LUCILLE BALL |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 133105
6/14/2008 4:38 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I can't believe that people actually discuss the bullshit 'sun is too far north/south' crap that crops up every 6 months...
Fucking uneducated children... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 451897
6/14/2008 4:45 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Is this why we've built a huge telescope at the South Pole?:
[ link to i299.photobucket.com]
Don't know if anyone is trying to view the ever elusive PX... but,m found a link to the actual telescope
[ link to pole.uchicago.edu]
Like I said before, to discuss PlanetX properly, there's either going to have to be a consensus as to what and where it is, or each person who wants to discuss is gona have to have a link to a specific description. Otherwise, I could say I want to talk about a flower and start the discussion as to what type of soil it should be in, full sun or not, what to feed it or is it self feeding, and you'd have no idea what I was wanting from you until we DEFINE the flower (rose, hibiscus, camellia, forget-me-not, etc)
KWIM?
Geogal, my point in posting this jpg is that it shows, according to the opinion of some people at least, what the orbit looks like, and where they expect it to be by next year. Looking at the huge elliptical orbit, it's clear that if it IS there, it would only be viewable from the south pole by a very strong telescope. Doesn't that begin to answer your question?
What does KWIM mean, by the way? |
| Mexican
User ID: 450655
6/14/2008 4:48 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
OMFG....just when I think it STILL can't get any stupider, it DOES!!!!
Hi Mexican,
Why the anger and the fear?
I already established the earth is likely wobbling by watching the moon. We compared the actual direction of the crescent with that of a java-program with moon phases from the web. What we saw was that the line was about 30 degrees off, the line from the crescent was like 30 degrees from the HORIZONTAL axis, the horizon. According to the program it should be 60 degrees.
If you believe me you would be stupid, then you would give your power to others you do not even know.
It is very easy to check for yourselves,, you need to see it for yourself for it to have an impact, to open the eyes. to get awake. Truth can only be found in experience
If you do not do your own research you are lazy and asleep. Quoting: Darza
No anger or fear here, I'm just dumbfounded at the stupidity. You are all going on an on about how someone made some childish chalk scribbles on his patio of the shadow of a model rocket launcher (REAL scientific) and this is PROOF?
Here you have had many professional and amateur astronomers tell you many times that the Sun quite simply is NOT out of position. Every telescope in the WORLD would notice immediately.
Now, while I'm not an astronomer, as I have stated before, I have been a merchant marine officer for over twenty years. And as I have said a bunch of times, I live on a boat. In the tropics. For you ignorant ones, this means I know celestial navigation. I have right within reach a COMPASS, the NAUTICAL ALMANAC, a SEXTANT, as well as newfangled computers and GPS, etc. Every morning I watch the Sun rise over the ocean. (perfect horizon). I am NOT making chalk scribbles on my patio. While I don't tend to check the bearing to the sunrise every day, since this UTTERLY RETARDED THREAD STARTED I have been noting it every day. Takes me all of one second to do it, since I have all these different ways of measuring it right around me. AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
Also, right nearby is a HUGE thing that is pretty famous for it's (guess what) ALIGNMENT TO THE SUN AND STARS. It's called Chichen Itza, it's one of the seven wonders of the world. It's basically a giant astronomical clock that is thousands of years old. Hundreds of thousands of people come at the equinoxes each year to watch the amazing effects it produces. If ANY of this shit was true, a LOT of people would notice RIGHT AWAY. Matter of fact, EVERYONE would notice immediately because they would be busy DYING.
Now here you have, first, me, who knows quite a bit about measuring angles of the sun, stars, moon etc. from a navigational standpoint. Then you have both amateur and pro astronomers who I would imagine know a lot more than I do, and CERTAINLY much more than you two idiots (Schmeider and Darkstarcrashes)telling you POINT BLANK that the Sun is simply NOT OUT OF POSITION. And you have yourselves, breathing, living, not being boiled alive or flash frozen, which is pretty good evidence that NOTHING IS WRONG.
Opposed you have some chalk marks on the ground relating to a toy rocket launcher.
I give up. THis is like debating with mongoloid children. Wish I could post that pic of the mongoloid with the nunchaku. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 450655
6/14/2008 4:49 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Also I see that this has devolved to a Planet x thing, none of you morons seem to be mentioning the Sun's angle any more. What's up with that, bozos? |
| Geogal
User ID: 373387
6/14/2008 5:01 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Geogal, my point in posting this jpg is that it shows, according to the opinion of some people at least, what the orbit looks like, and where they expect it to be by next year. Looking at the huge elliptical orbit, it's clear that if it IS there, it would only be viewable from the south pole by a very strong telescope. Doesn't that begin to answer your question?
What does KWIM mean, by the way? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 451897
Hi AC451897
KWIM= Know what I mean?
I see and saw your point. but, as to beginning to answer my question... not sure which one you're trying to answer. The placement of Px right now, according to some, is invisible and hanging about the sun, so should already be visible with the naked eye, if it weren't invisible... Others have said it leaves our system going at one rate of speed and returns at another.
I also posted the official reasons for the SPT, which I can fully see it being placed where it is and VERY useful... for half the year it's pretty dark there and the thing can run with out much interference, right? Like I said, if there's an unofficial reason, well, then it's unofficial.
Actually, as I understand the theory of high powered telescopes, as long as you have a long enough exposure and high enough magnification, taking a picture of Jupiter isn't too hard, right? So, by the time it is as far from us as Jupiter, it appears to me, from the picture, that you can see it from the northern hemisphere. I can spot Jupiter in the night sky with the naked eye at the right times in good weather.
just outa curiosity, where is it supposed to be right now, according to which hypothesis you believe? I honestly can't keep track of them and there are likely MORE than I know of out there. Do you know about how far it is from us? How fast it's traveling?
Woman of white garment, foreign woman, earth-eating woman, taking and giving life, she is Pele
"ONCE IN HIS LIFE, EVERY MAN IS ENTITLED TO FALL MADLY IN LOVE WITH A GORGEOUS REDHEAD" - LUCILLE BALL |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 448860
6/14/2008 5:07 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
European Space Agency ends one of its longest and most unique projects
The European Space Agency is expected to make an announcement to shut down the Ulysses project. Ulysses is a little-known, albeit a unique robotic space probe that was designed to study the Sun at all latitudes.
The probe was launched in 1990. It is still up and running and is still capable of establishing connections with Earth. However, the ESA decided to close the project.
...
[link to english.pravda.ru] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 451897
6/14/2008 5:07 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Geogal, I have to run out and do a quick errand - will be back shortly to discuss more... |
| Geogal
User ID: 373387
6/14/2008 5:16 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
LOVE that place! Went there for my honeymoon, or part of. Amazing place!
Also, right nearby is a HUGE thing that is pretty famous for it's (guess what) ALIGNMENT TO THE SUN AND STARS. It's called Chichen Itza, it's one of the seven wonders of the world. It's basically a giant astronomical clock that is Quoting: Mexican 450655
Woman of white garment, foreign woman, earth-eating woman, taking and giving life, she is Pele
"ONCE IN HIS LIFE, EVERY MAN IS ENTITLED TO FALL MADLY IN LOVE WITH A GORGEOUS REDHEAD" - LUCILLE BALL |
| Geogal
User ID: 373387
6/14/2008 5:18 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Also I see that this has devolved to a Planet x thing, none of you morons seem to be mentioning the Sun's angle any more. What's up with that, bozos? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 450655
many threads like this often do... that or some other thing unrelated...
It's called "hijacking" and not always polite to the OP... but, it kinda appears that she's abandoned this thread... so??? LOL!
Woman of white garment, foreign woman, earth-eating woman, taking and giving life, she is Pele
"ONCE IN HIS LIFE, EVERY MAN IS ENTITLED TO FALL MADLY IN LOVE WITH A GORGEOUS REDHEAD" - LUCILLE BALL |
| Schmieder
User ID: 324203
6/14/2008 5:27 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
sorry dude, I started to comment what you had said and then was making remarks for Menow and other aggressive and nasty shills. By no means did I ever mean any aggressive words towards you. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
I was and still a little bit defensive from the reaction I got from my posts. I felt insulted by Menow and few others who seem bent on belittling people for what ever reason it's not right. I know, I need to put them out of mind, out of touch.
Just curious... unless you consider me a shill, any chance that as long as the "aggressive shills" are not in the discussion, can we drop the "shill" "debunker" references? I've always found then a bit offensive, and don't actually consider myself one, as no one is paying me to be here, I don't really have an agenda but truth as far as I can see it from a geologists perspective, and I actually do consider any reasonable hypothesis as possible. I don't COMPLETELY rule out the Nibiru (sp?)/HAARP potential, jsut do not see any evidence for it, don't see HOW the connections for HAARP is supposed to work, and well... I've already give an example of why on Nibiru. Quoting: Geogal
For you, yes, I will refrain from using those words of hate. I do sincerely apologize if my words meant any disrespect or negative feelings. Sometimes I get caught up in trying to prove my honesty and attempt to gain respect for it. You can't win them all, oh well.
Yet, I do come to this forum with real observations and concerns. And I'm sure you, along with others, are here for the same reasons as well.
I have to go for now but I would love to continue this discussion regarding the Earths wobble and it's consequences.
One thing, when you fly in a commercial airline and hit turbulence, the plane along with the occupants can drop up to hundred feet in a matter of one second, though 40-50 is usually the worst seen. Average is 0-25 foot shifts. It doesn't feel like you drop so far so fast because the inertia of flying 600-800 mph forward reduces the 'awareness' of such a drop. The Earth could, in theory, experience such an effect. The shift may be unnoticeable due to the Earths spin of just over 1,ooo mph. Also noting the Earth orbits around the Sun at 67,ooo mph. If we apply the math, we should experience a 2 foot drop in an airliner (nearly unnoticeable) like we would notice a rough average of 150 foot-per-second in the Earth's orbit around the sun. And we still need to consider what gravity does to us and everything around us when the planet shifts. It may have a good holding effect causing the shifting to be even less noticeable. Imagine a plane equipped with a gravity generator. Would the G-force of turbulence be reduced?
I really believe in this. After what I saw and my measurements through out the day, I'm astonished!!! Still! I had a hard time going to sleep last night. My imagination was in over-drive trying to figure the consequences if this phenomenon if it persists or becomes more severe.
well, gotta run. I will be back later. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 451822
6/14/2008 5:35 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I wish debunkers like Menow would learn a thing or two about Parallax before they open their big mouths online.
According to scientists the Earth orbits the Sun in a huge arc many millions of miles in diameter and yet at any given time fixed telescopes can track stars which remain in exactly the same place in the sky.
Wouldn't this explain how the Sun could appear to move while the backdrop of distant stars do not? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 447169
6/14/2008 5:43 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I wish debunkers like Menow would learn a thing or two about Parallax before they open their big mouths online. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 451822
And we "debunkers" wish people like you would get educated. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 451822
6/14/2008 6:34 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
sorry dude, I started to comment what you had said and then was making remarks for Menow and other aggressive and nasty shills. By no means did I ever mean any aggressive words towards you.
I was and still a little bit defensive from the reaction I got from my posts. I felt insulted by Menow and few others who seem bent on belittling people for what ever reason it's not right. I know, I need to put them out of mind, out of touch.
Just curious... unless you consider me a shill, any chance that as long as the "aggressive shills" are not in the discussion, can we drop the "shill" "debunker" references? I've always found then a bit offensive, and don't actually consider myself one, as no one is paying me to be here, I don't really have an agenda but truth as far as I can see it from a geologists perspective, and I actually do consider any reasonable hypothesis as possible. I don't COMPLETELY rule out the Nibiru (sp?)/HAARP potential, jsut do not see any evidence for it, don't see HOW the connections for HAARP is supposed to work, and well... I've already give an example of why on Nibiru.
For you, yes, I will refrain from using those words of hate. I do sincerely apologize if my words meant any disrespect or negative feelings. Sometimes I get caught up in trying to prove my honesty and attempt to gain respect for it. You can't win them all, oh well.
Yet, I do come to this forum with real observations and concerns. And I'm sure you, along with others, are here for the same reasons as well.
I have to go for now but I would love to continue this discussion regarding the Earths wobble and it's consequences.
One thing, when you fly in a commercial airline and hit turbulence, the plane along with the occupants can drop up to hundred feet in a matter of one second, though 40-50 is usually the worst seen. Average is 0-25 foot shifts. It doesn't feel like you drop so far so fast because the inertia of flying 600-800 mph forward reduces the 'awareness' of such a drop. The Earth could, in theory, experience such an effect. The shift may be unnoticeable due to the Earths spin of just over 1,ooo mph. Also noting the Earth orbits around the Sun at 67,ooo mph. If we apply the math, we should experience a 2 foot drop in an airliner (nearly unnoticeable) like we would notice a rough average of 150 foot-per-second in the Earth's orbit around the sun. And we still need to consider what gravity does to us and everything around us when the planet shifts. It may have a good holding effect causing the shifting to be even less noticeable. Imagine a plane equipped with a gravity generator. Would the G-force of turbulence be reduced?
I really believe in this. After what I saw and my measurements through out the day, I'm astonished!!! Still! I had a hard time going to sleep last night. My imagination was in over-drive trying to figure the consequences if this phenomenon if it persists or becomes more severe.
well, gotta run. I will be back later. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
If it becomes more severe at some point during the year the Sun will not set in Northern parts of Europe as far south as London. The arc of the Sun will clear the horizon during mid summer. Temperatures may become unbearable. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 451822
6/14/2008 6:35 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I wish debunkers like Menow would learn a thing or two about Parallax before they open their big mouths online.
And we "debunkers" wish people like you would get educated. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 447169
I just educated you. |
| The Lone Ranger 
Debunking Zetatalk for the sake of the people
User ID: 443967
6/14/2008 6:56 PM
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Always enjoyable though reading how "out of touch" you bunker idiots really are!!
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