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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 451897
6/14/2008 7:20 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Geogal- 451897 back
It took me a while to find the pictures and upload them, but here's what I have... they are from YOWUSA.com and were done by Jacco van der Worp. People can judge for themselves whether they think this is good information. Personally, I think that this, if true, would certainly explain all kinds of effects on our solar system, including the sun, which IMHO is more intense and a different color than it was when I was a kid.
(There isn't one of these for 2008)
[link to i299.photobucket.com]
April 2007 - Planet X incoming from below the ecliptic. Ideal position for start of continuous observation by the South Pole Telescope (SPT).
[link to i299.photobucket.com]
May 2009 - Below the asteroid belt, the object becomes bright enough for amateurs in the Southern hemisphere to see. Viewing requires high-powered binoculars or small telescope.
[link to i299.photobucket.com]
May 2011 - Almost due South of Earth, it becomes bright enough for naked eye observation in the southern hemisphere.
[link to i299.photobucket.com]
December 2012 - Passes through ecliptic plane and triggers strong electrical interaction with Sun. Object will appear as a second Sun. It will be bright red and approximately the size of the moon. Viewing times will vary.
[link to i299.photobucket.com]
February 2013 - Planet X passes through perihelion, and maximum electrical interaction with Sun begins. This is the most catastrophic period for Earth and peaks when Earth moves between Planet X and the Sun.
[link to i299.photobucket.com]
July 2013 - Planet X appears smaller, but is still visible as a second sun, and now it has a massive tail. The intensity of Earth's cataclysms now begins to diminish as interaction with the Sun reduces.
[link to i299.photobucket.com]
July 2014 - Planet X is moving away from the core of the solar system. Earth enters another period of relative quiecence. The few who survive begin rebuilding civilization. |
| The Lone Ranger 
Debunking Zetatalk for the sake of the people
User ID: 443967
6/14/2008 7:47 PM
 | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Geogal- 451897 back
It took me a while to find the pictures and upload them, but here's what I have... they are from YOWUSA.com and were done by Jacco van der Worp. People can judge for themselves whether they think this is good information. Personally, I think that this, if true, would certainly explain all kinds of effects on our solar system, including the sun, which IMHO is more intense and a different color than it was when I was a kid.
(There isn't one of these for 2008)
[ link to i299.photobucket.com]
April 2007 - Planet X incoming from below the ecliptic. Ideal position for start of continuous observation by the South Pole Telescope (SPT).
[ link to i299.photobucket.com]
May 2009 - Below the asteroid belt, the object becomes bright enough for amateurs in the Southern hemisphere to see. Viewing requires high-powered binoculars or small telescope.
[ link to i299.photobucket.com]
May 2011 - Almost due South of Earth, it becomes bright enough for naked eye observation in the southern hemisphere.
[ link to i299.photobucket.com]
December 2012 - Passes through ecliptic plane and triggers strong electrical interaction with Sun. Object will appear as a second Sun. It will be bright red and approximately the size of the moon. Viewing times will vary.
[ link to i299.photobucket.com]
February 2013 - Planet X passes through perihelion, and maximum electrical interaction with Sun begins. This is the most catastrophic period for Earth and peaks when Earth moves between Planet X and the Sun.
[ link to i299.photobucket.com]
July 2013 - Planet X appears smaller, but is still visible as a second sun, and now it has a massive tail. The intensity of Earth's cataclysms now begins to diminish as interaction with the Sun reduces.
[ link to i299.photobucket.com]
July 2014 - Planet X is moving away from the core of the solar system. Earth enters another period of relative quiecence. The few who survive begin rebuilding civilization.
More mythical assertions.....0% HARD EVIDENCE.
Life Is But A Dream!!
Therefore, "'Tis better to have dreamed and lost than never to have dreamed at all."
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"ZetaTalk is all crap. Nancy has spent over ten years writing and compiling a huge web site full of total bullshit. It's a work of true insanity, but useful for nothing other than students of manic disorders." Anonymous Coward. User ID: 597174. 7/11/2009 8:22 PM
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I concede that Nancy and ZetaTalk are not the most "trustworthy" of "sources" because her reputation, credentials and track record leave a LOT to be desired. Melfy 9/21/09 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 451828
6/15/2008 2:49 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
There is a difference between someone saying that you are
mistaken and calling you a liar. Ignore the name callers
and focus on the few of us that are being reasonable.
I have offered ample evidence that the Sun is behaving
normally for people in multiple locations with photographic
evidence from ancient and modern sites. I have yet to see
anyone prove otherwise.
BTW, millions of religious practitioners keep track of the
movements of the Sun through the sky, and none of them have
raised an alarm. Why do you think that is? When it comes
to religion it's hard to suppress alarm.
I here and understand what you are saying and showing. Had I not seen what I saw, I would pretty much be convinced from what you have pointed out. Unfortunately, those pics hasn't changed what I noticed. So that is the quagmire I am in.
Knowing what you present and knowing what I had presented (mainly myself conviction) (or my own personal proof) has created a strange reality for me.
I charted the suns movements yesterday, here is the pic of my markings. I found an anomaly occurring between 8:30am-9:30am. The angles are near perfect, more so then the rest. The difference per hour is easily recognizable to the naked eye, but not for 8:30-9:30am. It reminds me of the cranes in New York city falling around the 8o'clock hour, March 15th and May 30th.
As far as the measurements go, they are very accurate. I used a launcher for a model rocket and checked it from several angles with a builders square, it is a true 90 degrees straight up. I just recently tied a weight to a string and dangled it next to the launcher and it still shows a perfect 90*. I used the launchers shadow to trace the lines.
[ link to i112.photobucket.com]
[ link to i112.photobucket.com]
The details are pretty much self-explains. Purple is the direction at different times, going counterclock wise from sunrise is 730(red outline) 830 930 1030 1130am - 2pm 441pm 530 630 730(red outline) 800 and 845 sunset in green. The compass is yellow/orange. The red lines show where an anomaly is beginning. The difference from 730 to 830 is greater then what it should be. Remember when the cranes in New York City fell down, around 8 o'clock.
Also notice the angles for sunrise and sunset are too far north. I am aware they should be a little north from east and west respectively, but not that far. It seems whatever is happening is occurring at night and then corrects itself around 730-930 am EST. Ironically this is 12noon in the mid-atlantic rift. Is there any consideration to magnetism at the mid-atlantic fault line?
And why is 830am-930am so identical in angle unlike the rest?
I assure you of the accuracy of my measurements. I took every consideration into thought making sure the angles were recorded very accurately.
btw, Latitude 40*27'
Tell me what you all think (if you de-bunkers are going to be asses about it, don't bother.)
Mailman is late today?
Lame Ranger says 0% HARD EVIDENCE but doesn't bother reading the posts.
You shill's better get your shit together before everyone realizes you're full of it. |
| Darza
User ID: 378572
6/15/2008 2:50 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Hi Darza.
The term "pole shift" as popularized as i understand it is not actually what is referred to as 2 other similar terms... polar wander and magnetic polar reversal. The term "pole shift" popularized refers, as far as I'm aware, to an actual shift of the axial tilt of the planet, not jsut a minor "wander" of a few degrees. So, no. i don't use the term "pole shift" because, as far as I know and have researched it, isn't possible with the way the planet is today without actually being caused by a HUGE outside force like a VERY large asteroid/small moon hitting the planet or a Mw12+ earthquake... theoretically possible, but would likely take a solar flare ACTUALLY or nearly touching the earth... that level of energy.
Do you have a different definition for pole shift? Links I'd be interested in?
Hi Geogal,
To my surprise you avoided the word poleshift, which scientists have well documented from geological records. The only argument i hear from them is how many there were in the past. You seem to have studied the subject so from you words i conclude you did it on purpose. Quoting: Geogal
Hi Geogal,
I researched the word poleshift starting in 2000, so i do not remember were i got all the info, i remember the first one who talked of evidence of a 90 degree poleshift was Gregg Braden, a former geologist by profession, he has some vids on the Google, i remember beyond 2000, not sure.
I remember from the magnetic particles in rock they can establish the N-pole, i am nor sure but i think it said Hawai has been a former N-pole, so a 90 degree physical changes of the axis. I also remember it happened at least 5 times already.
What caused these flips i do not know, i was not there at the time. But not being able to figure out what caused them does not mean they did not happen nor that it could happen anytime soon.
From measuring the sun and the moon i see the earth must be wobbling, i do not know what is causing it, just theories. In this theory of mine i can connect the wobbling to geological records, for me it all fits. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 451583
6/15/2008 2:52 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Its always too far north or south for my liking. |
| Darza
User ID: 378572
6/15/2008 3:13 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
OMFG....just when I think it STILL can't get any stupider, it DOES!!!!
Hi Mexican,
Why the anger and the fear?
I already established the earth is likely wobbling by watching the moon. We compared the actual direction of the crescent with that of a java-program with moon phases from the web. What we saw was that the line was about 30 degrees off, the line from the crescent was like 30 degrees from the HORIZONTAL axis, the horizon. According to the program it should be 60 degrees.
If you believe me you would be stupid, then you would give your power to others you do not even know.
It is very easy to check for yourselves,, you need to see it for yourself for it to have an impact, to open the eyes. to get awake. Truth can only be found in experience
If you do not do your own research you are lazy and asleep.
No anger or fear here, I'm just dumbfounded at the stupidity. You are all going on an on about how someone made some childish chalk scribbles on his patio of the shadow of a model rocket launcher (REAL scientific) and this is PROOF?
Here you have had many professional and amateur astronomers tell you many times that the Sun quite simply is NOT out of position. Every telescope in the WORLD would notice immediately.
Now, while I'm not an astronomer, as I have stated before, I have been a merchant marine officer for over twenty years. And as I have said a bunch of times, I live on a boat. In the tropics. For you ignorant ones, this means I know celestial navigation. I have right within reach a COMPASS, the NAUTICAL ALMANAC, a SEXTANT, as well as newfangled computers and GPS, etc. Every morning I watch the Sun rise over the ocean. (perfect horizon). I am NOT making chalk scribbles on my patio. While I don't tend to check the bearing to the sunrise every day, since this UTTERLY RETARDED THREAD STARTED I have been noting it every day. Takes me all of one second to do it, since I have all these different ways of measuring it right around me. AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
Also, right nearby is a HUGE thing that is pretty famous for it's (guess what) ALIGNMENT TO THE SUN AND STARS. It's called Chichen Itza, it's one of the seven wonders of the world. It's basically a giant astronomical clock that is thousands of years old. Hundreds of thousands of people come at the equinoxes each year to watch the amazing effects it produces. If ANY of this shit was true, a LOT of people would notice RIGHT AWAY. Matter of fact, EVERYONE would notice immediately because they would be busy DYING.
Now here you have, first, me, who knows quite a bit about measuring angles of the sun, stars, moon etc. from a navigational standpoint. Then you have both amateur and pro astronomers who I would imagine know a lot more than I do, and CERTAINLY much more than you two idiots (Schmeider and Darkstarcrashes)telling you POINT BLANK that the Sun is simply NOT OUT OF POSITION. And you have yourselves, breathing, living, not being boiled alive or flash frozen, which is pretty good evidence that NOTHING IS WRONG.
Opposed you have some chalk marks on the ground relating to a toy rocket launcher.
I give up. THis is like debating with mongoloid children. Wish I could post that pic of the mongoloid with the nunchaku. Quoting: Mexican 450655
Hi Mexican,
You are a sailor, me too. Lived on a Jeneau Sun Odysey 29.2 myself. You must know the freedom feeling from sailing then.
For me this thread is not so much interesting regarding the sun, i already did my research and so did some friends of mine. We all came to the same conclusions.
For me the sun issue could be an eye-opener for some, to get awake and not lazy, to start their own research, to free their minds.
There are those that see it also and then wonder why it is not in the news media.
You do not see it, ok with me, then it is not yet for you. |
| The Lone Ranger
Debunking Zetatalk for the sake of the people
User ID: 443967
6/15/2008 3:44 AM
| | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
There is a difference between someone saying that you are
mistaken and calling you a liar. Ignore the name callers
and focus on the few of us that are being reasonable.
I have offered ample evidence that the Sun is behaving
normally for people in multiple locations with photographic
evidence from ancient and modern sites. I have yet to see
anyone prove otherwise.
BTW, millions of religious practitioners keep track of the
movements of the Sun through the sky, and none of them have
raised an alarm. Why do you think that is? When it comes
to religion it's hard to suppress alarm.
I here and understand what you are saying and showing. Had I not seen what I saw, I would pretty much be convinced from what you have pointed out. Unfortunately, those pics hasn't changed what I noticed. So that is the quagmire I am in.
Knowing what you present and knowing what I had presented (mainly myself conviction) (or my own personal proof) has created a strange reality for me.
I charted the suns movements yesterday, here is the pic of my markings. I found an anomaly occurring between 8:30am-9:30am. The angles are near perfect, more so then the rest. The difference per hour is easily recognizable to the naked eye, but not for 8:30-9:30am. It reminds me of the cranes in New York city falling around the 8o'clock hour, March 15th and May 30th.
As far as the measurements go, they are very accurate. I used a launcher for a model rocket and checked it from several angles with a builders square, it is a true 90 degrees straight up. I just recently tied a weight to a string and dangled it next to the launcher and it still shows a perfect 90*. I used the launchers shadow to trace the lines.
[ link to i112.photobucket.com]
[ link to i112.photobucket.com]
The details are pretty much self-explains. Purple is the direction at different times, going counterclock wise from sunrise is 730(red outline) 830 930 1030 1130am - 2pm 441pm 530 630 730(red outline) 800 and 845 sunset in green. The compass is yellow/orange. The red lines show where an anomaly is beginning. The difference from 730 to 830 is greater then what it should be. Remember when the cranes in New York City fell down, around 8 o'clock.
Also notice the angles for sunrise and sunset are too far north. I am aware they should be a little north from east and west respectively, but not that far. It seems whatever is happening is occurring at night and then corrects itself around 730-930 am EST. Ironically this is 12noon in the mid-atlantic rift. Is there any consideration to magnetism at the mid-atlantic fault line?
And why is 830am-930am so identical in angle unlike the rest?
I assure you of the accuracy of my measurements. I took every consideration into thought making sure the angles were recorded very accurately.
btw, Latitude 40*27'
Tell me what you all think (if you de-bunkers are going to be asses about it, don't bother.)
Mailman is late today?
Lame Ranger says 0% HARD EVIDENCE but doesn't bother reading the posts.
You shill's better get your shit together before everyone realizes you're full of it.
 .......our Sun has been and still is in exactly the correct position.....as has been predicted year after year after year.
But hey keep dribbling away with the FANTASY.....I'm enjoying reading the delusional  ings of you SPECIAL people 
 OMG....RUN.....THE SUN IS MOVING IN THE SKY!!
 .....It's the end of the world.....but not as we know it JIM!!
Life Is But A Dream!!
Therefore, "'Tis better to have dreamed and lost than never to have dreamed at all."
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"ZetaTalk is all crap. Nancy has spent over ten years writing and compiling a huge web site full of total bullshit. It's a work of true insanity, but useful for nothing other than students of manic disorders." Anonymous Coward. User ID: 597174. 7/11/2009 8:22 PM
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I concede that Nancy and ZetaTalk are not the most "trustworthy" of "sources" because her reputation, credentials and track record leave a LOT to be desired. Melfy 9/21/09 |
| meras
User ID: 451607
6/15/2008 5:33 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I also need to chime in on the China earthquakes not belonging there. They happened on a known but very hard to specifically locate reverse thrust fault. Hard to specifically locate for 2 main reasons, the type of faulting makes it difficult, and the fact that there tends to be so many landslides in the area that cover it often also makes it really difficult to specifically place (meaning put your finger on it, but the "zone" or about 100 ft range is known).
That same fault has not gone off in about 70 years. Here's a historical list of earthquakes in China with their magnitudes (or approximate) and death toll, if applicable. [ link to earthquake.usgs.gov]
Hi Geogal, that makes it even stranger that the Chaiten volcano is on the antipode of the Chinese earthquake, they are on 1 line through the core. Another clue it was man made.
Thought this thread about the Chaiten volcano and Chinese earthquake would interest you:- [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
| Darza
User ID: 378572
6/15/2008 5:58 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I also need to chime in on the China earthquakes not belonging there. They happened on a known but very hard to specifically locate reverse thrust fault. Hard to specifically locate for 2 main reasons, the type of faulting makes it difficult, and the fact that there tends to be so many landslides in the area that cover it often also makes it really difficult to specifically place (meaning put your finger on it, but the "zone" or about 100 ft range is known).
That same fault has not gone off in about 70 years. Here's a historical list of earthquakes in China with their magnitudes (or approximate) and death toll, if applicable. [ link to earthquake.usgs.gov]
Hi Geogal, that makes it even stranger that the Chaiten volcano is on the antipode of the Chinese earthquake, they are on 1 line through the core. Another clue it was man made.
Thought this thread about the Chaiten volcano and Chinese earthquake would interest you:- [ link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Hi Meras, i have read it, to me it is a very limited view, the openings post, not the poster, looks at only a tiny bit of data and does not supply any answers or challenging concepts. Just food for the believers in the new religion called science, to keep them asleep. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 448220
6/15/2008 6:09 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
It's always the same thing. Come November people will be saying the pole shift is imminent because the sun is too far south. They will use the same methods of observation - "the tree down the block" or the kitchen window. And next year, same time, it will be "too far north" again. Too bad the education system is so bad that grown adults don't have the foggiest where it should be in the first place at any given time. Pages back I posted some utube videos of solar phenomenon marked by pyramids and temples in Mexico.
Anyone who has ever seen these events live knows that there are a lot of new agers there to see it. You can be sure that if the sun didn't mark the equinox in Chichen Itza, there would be a lot of people feeling ripped off, and the New Agers would be shouting doom from the roof tops. The videos prove that the sun is exactly where it should be, as it has been since the devices were built hundreds and perhaps even thousands of years ago. Not surprising that the chicken littles left that post alone. If they watched the videos they might have to admit they are wrong. Easier to wallow in self righteous ignorance. |
| Schmieder
User ID: 324203
6/15/2008 8:30 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 451897
Who owns and runs the observatory? Government operated, we wouldn't be told of such things. Noting that, they are watching it approach. |
| Circuit Breaker
Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure
User ID: 447169
6/15/2008 8:32 AM
 | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
You shill's better get your shit together before everyone realizes you're full of it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 451828
You would be wise to listen to your own advise. |
| Circuit Breaker
Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure
User ID: 447169
6/15/2008 8:34 AM
| | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Who owns and runs the observatory? Government operated, we wouldn't be told of such things. Noting that, they are watching it approach. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
The government doesn't own all observatories. Several are owned by universities. There are hundreds owned by individuals. You fail to take into account the thousands of amateur astronomers. How does the government control them when the government doesn't even know who or where they are? |
| Schmieder
User ID: 324203
6/15/2008 8:39 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
And we "debunkers" wish people like you would get educated. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 447169
I score an IQ of 157-159, is that educated enough for you, or is that too much for you to handle? It is okay, I can explain things a little easier if you like.
You know, there is a break down in communication when there is a gap of 30+ in IQ. A man with IQ of 90 can not understand another with an IQ of 145 and visa-versa.
Sundays report on Sun - This morning it was back where it belongs, or close enough anyways.
It is the strangest thing! |
| Schmieder
User ID: 324203
6/15/2008 8:59 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Who owns and runs the observatory? Government operated, we wouldn't be told of such things. Noting that, they are watching it approach. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
The government doesn't own all observatories. Several are owned by universities. There are hundreds owned by individuals. You fail to take into account the thousands of amateur astronomers. How does the government control them when the government doesn't even know who or where they are? Quoting: Circuit Breaker
No, they don't, but I would bet they owned and/or censored the observatory in the South Pole.
Every major news media outlet is censored, so they can not use that as a means of letting the truth out. What does that leave left? The internet? Last I had checked, the internet is flooded with this stuff. I would say, yes, amateurs all over the world are speaking up, including myself.
To prove every major media outlet is censored...The USA forbids pictures of fallen soldiers to be on national television. And because of this, they are watching and censoring. Remember Clear Channel and there campaign against talk show radio hosts who have views the USA doesn't want out in the open? It is very real. Ask Howard Stern or that guy who said, "Nappy headed hoes!" -think about it.
And universities are government funded, if they are public schools.
Lets think of this as well, for a moment, for the sake of argument,...the government can easily intervene to suppress information they do not want out in the public. We see this all the time and I doubt anyone will say the government is honest. The reason why people don't trust their government is because of their history of lies. And to believe they would actually tell the truth about the Earths wobble is crazy. Can you imagine the riots that would break out? Society would fail to function properly. Uncle Sam would loose control in one day!
lol, on a side note, this is funny.....
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| Cat Man
User ID: 442332
6/15/2008 9:19 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
It's 6:10 in the morning here in the Los Angeles area and I finally decided to go out and look at the sun to see where it is coming up in the morning. It is coming up in the North East! All my life here it has always come up due East year around. I've never seen anything like this before. I have been checking where the sun sets in the evenings for a couple of weeks now and it has been going down in the North West! Not due West like it always did before. So there is definitely something wrong. I've checked out divulgence.net/ and all this makes a lot more sense now. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318980
6/15/2008 9:19 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
And we "debunkers" wish people like you would get educated.
I score an IQ of 157-159, is that educated enough for you, or is that too much for you to handle? It is okay, I can explain things a little easier if you like.
You know, there is a break down in communication when there is a gap of 30+ in IQ. A man with IQ of 90 can not understand another with an IQ of 145 and visa-versa.
Sundays report on Sun - This morning it was back where it belongs, or close enough anyways.
It is the strangest thing! Quoting: Schmieder 324203
AHHH So the reason that thousands of amateur astronomers have failed to notice this shift (plus the man in the street failing to notice the Sun jumping around in the sky) is because they are not as clever as you? Or could it be because you a wrong? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318980
6/15/2008 9:20 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
you a* wrong? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318980
*are |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 351208
6/15/2008 9:24 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
And we "debunkers" wish people like you would get educated.
I score an IQ of 157-159, is that educated enough for you, or is that too much for you to handle? It is okay, I can explain things a little easier if you like.
You know, there is a break down in communication when there is a gap of 30+ in IQ. A man with IQ of 90 can not understand another with an IQ of 145 and visa-versa.
Sundays report on Sun - This morning it was back where it belongs, or close enough anyways.
It is the strangest thing! Quoting: Schmieder 324203
so you admit that the sun is in the right position.. It could not have suddenly corrected itself ( due to cnsevation of energy and momentum)so must have been the whole time.
god knows why you went on this little IQ rant when you admit that your entire point has been wrong the whole time/. I would like to offer words of encouragment that you actualy went and did some measurments but I find the fact that you thought you needed to so utterly retarded I cant.
quetioning things is indeed the sign of an active mind but you must learn that you cant then question everything! That way madness lies. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318980
6/15/2008 9:28 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
It's 6:10 in the morning here in the Los Angeles area and I finally decided to go out and look at the sun to see where it is coming up in the morning. It is coming up in the North East! All my life here it has always come up due East year around. I've never seen anything like this before. I have been checking where the sun sets in the evenings for a couple of weeks now and it has been going down in the North West! Not due West like it always did before. So there is definitely something wrong. I've checked out divulgence.net/ and all this makes a lot more sense now. Quoting: Cat Man 442332
You clearly have not done much observing of sunrise at this time of year. At sunrise in L.A,. the sun should have risen at 60 degrees azimuth just 15 degrees from North East. Did you use a compass to measure the position of Sunrise or did you just guess its general direction? Either way if you think the Sun always rises due East (90 degrees azimuth) in LA, your powers of observation are NIL. |
| Darza
User ID: 378572
6/15/2008 9:40 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
It's 6:10 in the morning here in the Los Angeles area and I finally decided to go out and look at the sun to see where it is coming up in the morning. It is coming up in the North East! All my life here it has always come up due East year around. I've never seen anything like this before. I have been checking where the sun sets in the evenings for a couple of weeks now and it has been going down in the North West! Not due West like it always did before. So there is definitely something wrong. I've checked out divulgence.net/ and all this makes a lot more sense now. Quoting: Cat Man 442332
Thanks for that!
[link to divulgence.net]
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* Ice Storms, blizzards and record breaking snow globally during winter months.
*Record heat waves and record cold waves worldwide.
* Sun rising and setting on June 21, 2007 at a 26 degree angle North of Dallas latitude.
* 2 volcanoes erupting simultaneously in April 2007
* 2 additional volcanoes erupting simultaneously in July 2007
* A fifth volcano erupting 2007
* 17 more volcanoes sending out thermal plumes simultaneously.
* 318 earthquakes above 4.0 between June 23 and July 23, 2007.
* Eleven earthquakes between June 23 and July 23, 2007 were above 6.0.
* Between Jan and July 2007, there were 21 earthquakes above 6.0.
* Tree leaves changing to autumn colors in May and June 2007 in south central US.
* Loss of entire GPS satellite system in Dec 2006 which was not revealed until Apr 2007.
* Satellite weather image of Earth on Dec 6, 2006 at 19:15 Zulu showing earth shifting
* Satellite weather image of Earth on Dec 4, 2006 at 12:30 Zulu showing earth shifting
* Satellite loops showing bizarre weather patterns over US between April & July 2007
* Satellite & statistical weather comparisons between 2001 and 2007
* Ion storms, solar radiation and solar imaging for 2007
* Solar magnetic storm sheered earth's outer atmosphere, Oct 1998 (per NASA)
* Ion fountains & solar winds at earth's poles Jan 1999 (per NASA)
* Solar images and solar emission charts showing no historic solar flare occurred & the GPS system has knocked down due to the axial slippage.
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| Schmieder
User ID: 324203
6/15/2008 9:47 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
And we "debunkers" wish people like you would get educated.
I score an IQ of 157-159, is that educated enough for you, or is that too much for you to handle? It is okay, I can explain things a little easier if you like.
You know, there is a break down in communication when there is a gap of 30+ in IQ. A man with IQ of 90 can not understand another with an IQ of 145 and visa-versa.
Sundays report on Sun - This morning it was back where it belongs, or close enough anyways.
It is the strangest thing!
AHHH So the reason that thousands of amateur astronomers have failed to notice this shift (plus the man in the street failing to notice the Sun jumping around in the sky) is because they are not as clever as you? Or could it be because you a wrong? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318980
well duh, clever people will notice things like this first. Smart people discover things and make changes, common people follow and wait to be instructed what to do next. But that doesn't mean an idiot can't figure this out.
Again, thousands HAVE noticed and out of that hundreds HAVE been posting stuff about it. Some design web pages with lots of their findings, others simply make comments on forums, even ones like GLP. I also must note, you don't care if your wrong or not. Comments like, "the Sun jumping around in the sky" is sarcastic to the claims being made.
Don't be ignorant, there are thousands of people saying the same thing I am. I am not a lone-wolf in this.
This is real, the suns shadow does not lie. If I were to show you, hour by hour, the shadows progression through the day and PROVE it to you, I bet you would proceed to tell me the light is bent in the sky to simulate that or some kind of BS.
Seriously, why don't you set up your own test. Mark the shadows from the sun through out a given day. I know you will be surprised. What do you have to loose? Except, a chance to prepare yourself when tshtf. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 447169
6/15/2008 9:47 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I score an IQ of 157-159, is that educated enough for you, or is that too much for you to handle? It is okay, I can explain things a little easier if you like. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
IQ and being educated are two different things. If you have the IQ you say you do, then you should already know this.
You know, there is a break down in communication when there is a gap of 30+ in IQ. A man with IQ of 90 can not understand another with an IQ of 145 and visa-versa. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
Again, that's not true.
Sundays report on Sun - This morning it was back where it belongs, or close enough anyways.
It is the strangest thing! Quoting: Schmieder 324203
Because it wasn't wrong to begin with. |
| Schmieder
User ID: 324203
6/15/2008 9:50 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
so you admit that the sun is in the right position.. It could not have suddenly corrected itself ( due to cnsevation of energy and momentum)so must have been the whole time.
god knows why you went on this little IQ rant when you admit that your entire point has been wrong the whole time/. I would like to offer words of encouragment that you actualy went and did some measurments but I find the fact that you thought you needed to so utterly retarded I cant.
quetioning things is indeed the sign of an active mind but you must learn that you cant then question everything! That way madness lies. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 351208
Well, if the sun is in one place one morning, and then 20 degrees off the the left the next morning at the same time of day...what would you expect? Yes, it is shifting.
Only a slave is told NOT to question everything. |
| Crazy Jack
User ID: 426855
6/15/2008 9:51 AM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318980
6/15/2008 9:51 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
quote:Darza]
[link to divulgence.net]
A Quote from the link you gave:
"Here are two star charts. One is for the latitude between the Dakotas 99.21 N Latitude and the other image shows the stars at the central Mexico Latitude 22.21 N. Both are the same longitude 99.24 W. Each pair of images are comparisons in the same time frame as stars will seem to move as we rotate below them. Stars also change as we rotate around the sun.... but again, not as dramatically as one would think.
This is utter nonsense Where exactly is latitude 99.21 N? Whoever wrote this rubbish has no idea what the term latitude means or how it is measured |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 447169
6/15/2008 9:52 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
It's 6:10 in the morning here in the Los Angeles area and I finally decided to go out and look at the sun to see where it is coming up in the morning. It is coming up in the North East! All my life here it has always come up due East year around. I've never seen anything like this before. I have been checking where the sun sets in the evenings for a couple of weeks now and it has been going down in the North West! Not due West like it always did before. So there is definitely something wrong. I've checked out divulgence.net/ and all this makes a lot more sense now. Quoting: Cat Man 442332
Another person shows their ignorance. The ONLY place the sun will rise due east year round is the equator. It really is amazing how a) stupid or b) ignorant people are. They just can't grasp that the Earth is tilted 23.5 degrees on its axis. Therefore, during the summer months the sun will appear more north in the northern hemisphere and south during the winter months. This is caused by Earth's normal orbit around the sun. This is also what makes the days longer or shorter depending on the time of year and what hemisphere you are in. Come on people...are you really that uninformed? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 447169
6/15/2008 9:55 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Well, if the sun is in one place one morning, and then 20 degrees off the the left the next morning at the same time of day...what would you expect? Yes, it is shifting.
Only a slave is told NOT to question everything. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
No, it is not shifting. You simply don't know what you're talking about. End of story. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318980
6/15/2008 10:07 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
[Seriously, why don't you set up your own test. Mark the shadows from the sun through out a given day. I know you will be surprised. What do you have to loose? Except, a chance to prepare yourself when tshtf. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
Dude I have done my own tests. I am an astrophotography and regularly take pictures of the Sun in the H-alpha wavelength, to do this I have to know where the Sun is. I also regularly take astrophotographs at night using a Scope aligned with the Polar axis of the Earth - if it was wobbling all over the place I would not be able to get pinpoint stars in my images, but strangely enough I and thousands of other astronomers do.
I also, when you first posted a claim that the Sun was RISING in the wrong position, went out and measured its azimuth at my location within 15 minutes of your post and found it was in exactly the right place and posted this to this forum. A post which I note you ignored.
I congratulate you on making your own observations but I am afraid I don't really trust them that much. You claim your observations show the Sun is rising and setting in the wrong position - they don’t.
More interestingly you claim the Sun failed to shift position in the sky for an hour (So the Earth stopped rotating then suddenly jumped to its proper location), and you were the only one who noticed it. I suspect you made a mistake when drawing your chalk lines. You said you used a toy rocket launcher as your shadow stick, I wonder how consistent you were in always using the same edge of the shadow to measure the angle. I also wonder if your whole set up was not overshadowed by the railing I see in your photographs and whether this caused you to in advertently make an erroneous measurement. |
| Schmieder
User ID: 324203
6/15/2008 10:07 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
It's 6:10 in the morning here in the Los Angeles area and I finally decided to go out and look at the sun to see where it is coming up in the morning. It is coming up in the North East! All my life here it has always come up due East year around. I've never seen anything like this before. I have been checking where the sun sets in the evenings for a couple of weeks now and it has been going down in the North West! Not due West like it always did before. So there is definitely something wrong. I've checked out divulgence.net/ and all this makes a lot more sense now. Quoting: Cat Man 442332
The Earth also appears to have anomalies in its rotation speed as well. Mark the times 6:00am, 6:30am, 7:00am, 7:30am, 8:00am, 8:30am, 9:00am, 9:30am, 10:00am EST. For you, it would be 3am to 7am but that isn't possible. I found there was an increase in speed from 7:30am to 8:30am, then the sun retained the same angle (horizontally) at 8:30am to 9:30am. Whether the sun had increased its angle vertically, I don't know, I'm going to track that next clear day. But it did maintain the same angle from 8:30 to 9:30 and THAT is also very strange.
Keep posting your findings, I am interested. If you could, track the sun from 5:30 to sunset, as that will be a time of day I can't measure being I'm on the East Coast.
Rotation Speed Anomaly -
7:30am - 10:30am EST
4:30am - 7:30am PST
Another Rotation Speed Anomaly -
7:00pm - Sunset EST
4:00pm - ??? PST
It appears as if there is a 12 hour spacing between each rotational speed shift, or whatever it is.
I wonder if there is significance at 1:30am and 1:30pm EST, 10:30pm and 10:30am PST. Being these are the mid-points from these anomalous calculations.
Thanks for posting, the attempts of suppression are fierce here. It really makes ya wonder sometimes, why the reaction is so hard-core cruel?
Will be back later, PEACE! |
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