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| Schmieder
User ID: 324203
6/15/2008 10:10 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
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Seriously, why don't you set up your own test. Mark the shadows from the sun through out a given day. I know you will be surprised. What do you have to loose? Except, a chance to prepare yourself when tshtf.
Dude I have done my own tests. I am an astrophotography and regularly take pictures of the Sun in the H-alpha wavelength, to do this I have to know where the Sun is. I also regularly take astrophotographs at night using a Scope aligned with the Polar axis of the Earth - if it was wobbling all over the place I would not be able to get pinpoint stars in my images, but strangely enough I and thousands of other astronomers do.
I also, when you first posted a claim that the Sun was RISING in the wrong position, went out and measured its azimuth at my location within 15 minutes of your post and found it was in exactly the right place and posted this to this forum. A post which I note you ignored.
I congratulate you on making your own observations but I am afraid I don't really trust them that much. You claim your observations show the Sun is rising and setting in the wrong position - they don’t.
More interestingly you claim the Sun failed to shift position in the sky for an hour (So the Earth stopped rotating then suddenly jumped to its proper location), and you were the only one who noticed it. I suspect you made a mistake when drawing your chalk lines. You said you used a toy rocket launcher as your shadow stick, I wonder how consistent you were in always using the same edge of the shadow to measure the angle. I also wonder if your whole set up was not overshadowed by the railing I see in your photographs and whether this caused you to in advertently make an erroneous measurement. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318980
I am confident in my accuracy! I do not believe your claims. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318980
6/15/2008 10:11 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Dude I have done my own tests. I am an astrophotography* Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318980
But not a typist :-), that should read 'astrophotographer' |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 440442
6/15/2008 10:11 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
You know, there is a break down in communication when there is a gap of 30+ in IQ. A man with IQ of 90 can not understand another with an IQ of 145 and visa-versa. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
and visa-versa?
Maybe there is some IQ missing?? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318980
6/15/2008 10:13 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I am confident in my accuracy! I do not believe your claims. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
Specifically what don't you believe? |
| Schmieder
User ID: 324203
6/15/2008 10:14 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
End of story. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 447169
by what authority? none! |
| Schmieder
User ID: 324203
6/15/2008 10:22 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I am confident in my accuracy! I do not believe your claims.
Specifically what don't you believe? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318980
That you have measured the suns position. If you had, the conversation would be much different right now. As far as everything else you typed, I'm inclined to disregard it on the note of actually measuring the suns position. But, that I can not determine so you have the benefit of doubt. I will not call you a liar, I hate that, but you did not measure the suns position...that or you are denying the real position. Or, there is a time/space warping difference from your point of observation and mine. At this point in time, who knows anymore. All I can trust is what I see and experience. My conviction is unbreakable. Consider that, something is going on.
I really have to go. I will be back online later. Especially the summer solstice.
Beyond the debate, I hope EVERYONE has a great Fathers Day.
Live, Love and be at Peace |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318980
6/15/2008 10:33 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I am confident in my accuracy! I do not believe your claims.
Specifically what don't you believe?
That you have measured the suns position. If you had, the conversation would be much different right now. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
So you are calling me a liar! You are starting to come over come over as an arrogant egomaniac. You will note that I have not disputed that you made measurements, only the accuracy of the measurements you made, (and you will admit it is possible that you made a mistake). You are on the other hand claiming that I am telling an outright lie in stating that I measured the location of the sun at the same time you did and found it in the right position. Of course it is possible I made a mistake in my measurement, and that would be a reasonable point to start a debate at, rather than claiming I did not make measurements in the first place, but I'm starting to think that reason is not your strong suit. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 193828
6/15/2008 10:34 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
What a stupid C*nt u are , my goto scope pinpoint's the sun right in the middle of my eyepies so  get a life !!!!!!!!!!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318980
6/15/2008 10:38 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
What a stupid C*nt u are , my goto scope pinpoint's the sun right in the middle of my eyepies so get a life !!!!!!!!!!!
I really hope you are using a Solar Filter otherwise you won't be seeing anything through the eyepiece much longer. Please folks if you have telescopes do not look at the Sun through it unless you a good solar filter and know how to use it. |
| Geogal
User ID: 373387
6/15/2008 10:45 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Geogal- 451897 back Quoting: Anonymous Coward 451897
Hi AC451897
OK... but all these pictures appear the same or minute changes from one to the next, and all are hypothesis drawings. Sorry. But, they really don't convince me other than the wording says to me "fear mongering". Every 3600 years, which as I understand it is the approx solar cycle of this planetX, there hasn't been a human die-off of mass proportions within every one of those cycles. So... there may or may not be something to these pictures, but I still am not convinced in the slightest of it's existence. But, thanks for the pics! They were interesting! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 193828
6/15/2008 11:16 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
What a stupid C*nt u are , my goto scope pinpoint's the sun right in the middle of my eyepies so get a life !!!!!!!!!!!
I really hope you are using a Solar Filter otherwise you won't be seeing anything through the eyepiece much longer. Please folks if you have telescopes do not look at the Sun through it unless you a good solar filter and know how to use it.
Duh , Solarmax 60 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318980
6/15/2008 11:25 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Duh , Solarmax 60 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 193828
Errr no need for the duh - I have a solarmax 60 mounted on a Losmandy G8. However given the general level of stupidity on this thread I see no harm in warning people not to look at the Sun through any kind of magnifying equipment without using the proper filters. Much as I find the lack of basic astronomical knowledge and technique on this thread irritating, I would hate for any of its contributors to accidentally blind themselves |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 442657
6/15/2008 11:31 AM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 193828
6/15/2008 11:51 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Duh , Solarmax 60
Errr no need for the duh - I have a solarmax 60 mounted on a Losmandy G8. However given the general level of stupidity on this thread I see no harm in warning people not to look at the Sun through any kind of magnifying equipment without using the proper filters. Much as I find the lack of basic astronomical knowledge and technique on this thread irritating, I would hate for any of its contributors to accidentally blind themselves Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318980
ok Sorry u are right , but i irritate myself of all those noobs regarding this kind of shit thread's |
| Schmieder
User ID: 324203
6/15/2008 12:07 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I am confident in my accuracy! I do not believe your claims.
Specifically what don't you believe?
That you have measured the suns position. If you had, the conversation would be much different right now.
So you are calling me a liar! You are starting to come over come over as an arrogant egomaniac. You will note that I have not disputed that you made measurements, only the accuracy of the measurements you made, (and you will admit it is possible that you made a mistake). You are on the other hand claiming that I am telling an outright lie in stating that I measured the location of the sun at the same time you did and found it in the right position. Of course it is possible I made a mistake in my measurement, and that would be a reasonable point to start a debate at, rather than claiming I did not make measurements in the first place, but I'm starting to think that reason is not your strong suit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318980
hey, i pointed out an option, be it far fetched, which would allow you and i to be honest yet conflict in what we both claim. A liar, I did not make any specific claims, yet, isn't that what happens everyday when one person says one thing and another says another thing AND someone has to be false since BOTH can not be true!
Lets not forget what I have been called! To be nsulted, yes, but imagine you being in my shoes. Everything I provide is accurate and straight forward the best of my word, thats right, You have my WORD on the information I provided you and everyone else who chooses to read it! And I have been called a liar, a phony, dumb-ass, retard, bullshitter, fucktard, ect... all because I spoke out about what I had discovered.
Before you even think you have the right to come down on me for what I have said, stop and consider my perspective and realize the shit I go through for what...to give a few people who read this a heads up? After all, it is the right thing to do.
Again, think about what you are saying cause somewhere along the line something isn't adding up. Otherwise you might comment on the sun's lack of correct positioning.
How do I know this? My eyes are not deceiving me. My friends and family see the same thing I do.
For the Love of God, just look at it. I can see it, even measure it and have seen for myself. Earth is wobbling in an unusual intensity. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318980
6/15/2008 12:23 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
For the Love of God, just look at it. I can see it, even measure it and have seen for myself. Earth is wobbling in an unusual intensity. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
You seem to fail to understand or acknowledge or believe that I have looked at it, and measured it, and have a lot of experience in making these kinds of measurements.
Now lets assume that neither of us is lying about when we measured the position of the Sun, and that we have come to different conclusions as to what that means about whether the Sun is in the position it should be according to astronomy. Given that our measurements were made within 15 minutes of each other (in the case of your original post), it would suggest that either
A ) One of us made a mistake when measuring
or
B) The Sun can appear to be in exactly the right place for one observer and 20 degrees out of place (which I believe was the original figure you gave), for another observer.
Of these two hypotheses I think A is much, much more likely don't you? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318980
6/15/2008 12:31 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
For the Love of God, just look at it. I can see it, even measure it and have seen for myself. Earth is wobbling in an unusual intensity. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318980
Oh and you did take the magnetic declination of your location into account when measuring the position of the rising Sun didn't you? (That would be just over 9 degrees West in Pittsburgh) |
| INK
User ID: 452280
6/15/2008 12:35 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I haven't measured anything, and my evidence in anectdotal, but....we have lived in this house for fifteen years and as far as I can tell the house has not moved in that time.
My kitchen window over the sink faces due west. I always had to have either room darkening shades, or heavy duty blinds on that window, because in the late afternoon, from about 4 to 6, typically when I would be making dinner, the sunlight was so strong, it was blinding in that area and I had to pull the shades or blinds down.
I have noticed in the past year or so, that I never, repeat, never have to pull the shades down over that window. I still cook dinner at the same time, there is nothing blocking the window from outside, but the sun at that time of day is now in the northeast corner of my house.
I am very aware of it because I have two corner windows in the same kitchen and now the light is coming in those two windows.
Also, in the morning, my east facing windows are not all bright, because the sun is further north (that would be the back of my house, not the side).
Think what you want, but this has been very noticeable. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 133105
6/15/2008 12:51 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Sundays report on Sun - This morning it was back where it belongs, or close enough anyways.
It is the strangest thing! Quoting: Schmieder 324203
You are dumber than a box of rocks... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 451897
6/15/2008 1:26 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Who owns and runs the observatory? Government operated, we wouldn't be told of such things. Noting that, they are watching it approach.
The government doesn't own all observatories. Several are owned by universities. There are hundreds owned by individuals. You fail to take into account the thousands of amateur astronomers. How does the government control them when the government doesn't even know who or where they are? Quoting: Circuit Breaker
Did you know that the Vatican has one in Arizona?!
[link to www.vaticanobservatory.org] |
| Circuit Breaker 
Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure
User ID: 447169
6/15/2008 1:33 PM
 | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Rotation Speed Anomaly -
7:30am - 10:30am EST
4:30am - 7:30am PST
Another Rotation Speed Anomaly -
7:00pm - Sunset EST
4:00pm - ??? PST
It appears as if there is a 12 hour spacing between each rotational speed shift, or whatever it is.
I wonder if there is significance at 1:30am and 1:30pm EST, 10:30pm and 10:30am PST. Being these are the mid-points from these anomalous calculations. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
Right...the Earth speeds up and slows down and yet there are absolutely no effects on the Earth's surface. Lakes aren't sloshing about. People aren't suddenly knocked off balance by this sudden increase and decrease in speed. And if the Earth were to speed up, that would mean that sunrise and sunset times would be off for certain areas. They are not.
Thanks for posting, the attempts of suppression are fierce here. It really makes ya wonder sometimes, why the reaction is so hard-core cruel? Quoting: Schmieder 324203
There is no suppression. Only attempts to show you that you are wrong. It really makes ya wonder sometimes - why do some people refuse to see they're wrong and be educated? |
| Circuit Breaker
Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure
User ID: 447169
6/15/2008 1:35 PM
| | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
End of story.
by what authority? none! Quoting: Schmieder 324203
Guess what? That goes both ways...by what authority makes your claims true?
Absolutely NONE. |
| Circuit Breaker
Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure
User ID: 447169
6/15/2008 1:37 PM
| | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I am confident in my accuracy! I do not believe your claims. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
And I am confident in my claims and accuracy. I do not believe your claims. The evidence shows that you're wrong. You just can't admit it. |
| Circuit Breaker
Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure
User ID: 447169
6/15/2008 1:39 PM
| | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
That you have measured the suns position. If you had, the conversation would be much different right now. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
Oh, so you're saying that if he had measured the suns position he would be agreeing with you. Wrong. If YOU had really measured the sun and knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't be making outlandish claims about it. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 104455
6/15/2008 1:39 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
How would you say this properly? Would it be that the precessional wobble has increased in amplitude whereas the period remains the same? Wouldn't it be strange if a pole shift meant the earth actually flipped? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 451897
6/15/2008 1:40 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Geogal- 451897 back
Hi AC451897
OK... but all these pictures appear the same or minute changes from one to the next, and all are hypothesis drawings. Sorry. But, they really don't convince me other than the wording says to me "fear mongering". Every 3600 years, which as I understand it is the approx solar cycle of this planetX, there hasn't been a human die-off of mass proportions within every one of those cycles. So... there may or may not be something to these pictures, but I still am not convinced in the slightest of it's existence. But, thanks for the pics! They were interesting! Quoting: Geogal 373387
Well, as I said, people can judge the info for themselves, and yes, of course it is a hypothesis. I will say, though, that something with a 3,600 year elliptical orbit would necessarily take some time to pass by and head back, so I don't consider the changes to be minute really. For a comparison, it takes Pluto 248 years to complete one orbit around the sun. |
| Circuit Breaker
Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure
User ID: 447169
6/15/2008 1:46 PM
| | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I haven't measured anything, and my evidence in anectdotal, but....we have lived in this house for fifteen years and as far as I can tell the house has not moved in that time.
My kitchen window over the sink faces due west. I always had to have either room darkening shades, or heavy duty blinds on that window, because in the late afternoon, from about 4 to 6, typically when I would be making dinner, the sunlight was so strong, it was blinding in that area and I had to pull the shades or blinds down.
I have noticed in the past year or so, that I never, repeat, never have to pull the shades down over that window. I still cook dinner at the same time, there is nothing blocking the window from outside, but the sun at that time of day is now in the northeast corner of my house.
I am very aware of it because I have two corner windows in the same kitchen and now the light is coming in those two windows.
Also, in the morning, my east facing windows are not all bright, because the sun is further north (that would be the back of my house, not the side).
Think what you want, but this has been very noticeable. Quoting: INK 452280
And I believe you just never really paid attention before until you read this thread and are now noticing things that have been happening for as long as you've been around. |
| Darza
User ID: 378572
6/15/2008 3:19 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Hi All,
I live in a new house since last december so have no reference points to measure the sunrise and sunset against, compare it to last years data.
I am looking for a link which tells me the compass direction of the sun and moon, to do my own research.
I did not find it by googling. |
| Geogal
User ID: 373387
6/15/2008 3:24 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Hi Darza
Sorry it took so long to respond. family descended upon me yesterday and just left.
I searched honestly for "Braden geologist" and anything pertaining to him being a geologist and his work. Couldn't find his license, but I did find an interview which said many things about him discussing "polar reversal" (but was titled polar shift) that I know to not be true. Additionally, one of the first things that did pop up on the search sorely disappointed me in anything he does write and claims as "geology".
Here's an excerpt and the rest of the article is [link to www.energygrid.com]
"Recently, however, it has been pointed out to me that Braden was never a scientist: he was actually a software engineer who had worked in the scientific arena. This does not make him an "earth science expert" as he claims, or indeed a "scientist" at all. In fact, judging by his use of pseudo-science and bad science to justify his position (we are NOT talking about leading-edge or bone fide alternative scientific theory or research here) he shows himself to be scientifically illiterate (or deliberately misleading the public which I will discount). Discovering that Braden was no scientist was a relief to me because it meant that I could accept his sincerity, which I do. After all, if he was a bone fide scientist then one could only conclude that he was deliberately misleading people for whatever reason because the mistakes and contrivances are so appalling."
He also wrote a few new age belief books including "the god code" where he discusses "HIS" research and findings of DNA to have evidence and proof of god. Now, had he said a "friends research" that he cooborated in writing a book with or recent finding by Dr. XXX I would have put more interest in searching out more on him. But, a geologist does NOT do cutting edge research into DNA... it would have to be a specialized research scientist who was doing DNA research for dinos or some such. Those are few and rare. I dual specialize, so I know the amount of effort and work that goes into just keeping up with cutting edge, much less being a researcher.
I'm sorry to say, but I wouldn't trust much of what he's said. if you wish to, that's your choice. If you'd like to read a little of interest on what REAL geomagnetic polar reversals are... [link to en.wikipedia.org]
you'll find they don't match much of what Braden claims. One thing he's right on, but I'm guessing he doesn't know why, is that in some areas of the planet the field is different, weaker, stronger, a bit "unusual".
[link to www.spiritofmaat.com]
As far as your measurements for the sun and moon "wobble", well, I can't see them, don't know how you took your measurements, or anything of your experiment. I'm glad you've found something that does fit for you, and Kudos for making your own observations and making up your own mind. For me, I'm still looking at a big picture, trying to figure matches and put stuff together... maybe I'll figure out what works for me, maybe I won't...
Hi Geogal,
I researched the word poleshift starting in 2000, so i do not remember were i got all the info, i remember the first one who talked of evidence of a 90 degree poleshift was Gregg Braden, a former geologist by profession, he has some vids on the Google, i remember beyond 2000, not sure.
I remember from the magnetic particles in rock they can establish the N-pole, i am nor sure but i think it said Hawai has been a former N-pole, so a 90 degree physical changes of the axis. I also remember it happened at least 5 times already.
What caused these flips i do not know, i was not there at the time. But not being able to figure out what caused them does not mean they did not happen nor that it could happen anytime soon.
From measuring the sun and the moon i see the earth must be wobbling, i do not know what is causing it, just theories. In this theory of mine i can connect the wobbling to geological records, for me it all fits. Quoting: Darza |
| Geogal
User ID: 373387
6/15/2008 3:53 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
How would you say this properly? Would it be that the precessional wobble has increased in amplitude whereas the period remains the same? Wouldn't it be strange if a pole shift meant the earth actually flipped? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 104455
Strange and VERY VERY deadly... there'd be no place to hide, for anything. Everything on the planet would die. Sorry, but that's the trust about the kinds of forces, speeds and energies we're talking about. IF a polar reversal happened where it acted as the popularized polar shift... nothing would be left living... I'm not ever sure the planet wold be habitable in the future. |
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