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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 452731
6/16/2008 3:37 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Last week I got out my compass because I just couldn't believe the angle of the sun at sunset. I live about 40 miles north of Denver and of course here everyone knows the mountains are to the west -- and that's where we're used to seeing the sun set. But it was way far north. My compass said it was setting due north. I knew it was wrong because it was shining right into my office window. Usually at sunset it doesn't do that. I also noticed that the sun is bright white and very strong, it seemed much more brilliant than usual. When I tried to talk to other people about it, I get that "you must be crazy" thing.
I have been following along with Zetatalk for a couple of years now. I am pretty convinced that that is disinfo, however, I have come to believe that some of the info is accurate and it's all really a coverup for something -- it's being done to confuse us about what's really going on, I think. Anyway, I'm convinced that weird stuff is happening with the sun, solar system, etc., but it is very hard to find out the truth. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 88145
6/16/2008 3:40 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
So, will you please answer the simple question? Will the sunrise on the Solstice be at the right place as measured by the many ancient monuments around the world? Yes, or no? Also, are all of these sundials all over the world now incorrect?
[link to en.wikipedia.org] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318980
6/16/2008 3:40 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I don't need to draw pictures or measure shadows Quoting: Anonymous Coward 424730
Oh go on - what have you got to lose? Here's how to test the axial tilt at Solstice:
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 88145
6/16/2008 4:31 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I have been following along with Zetatalk for a couple of years now. I am pretty convinced that that is disinfo, however, I have come to believe that some of the info is accurate and it's all really a coverup for something -- it's being done to confuse us about what's really going on, I think. Anyway, I'm convinced that weird stuff is happening with the sun, solar system, etc., but it is very hard to find out the truth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 452731
No, it is not hard. In fact, it is exceddingly easy. Find your local astronomy club which is composed of members from the general public, just like you, but who study astronomy and the sky as a hobby. Go out on one of their public "star parties" and have them demonstrate the absolute presision and accuracy by which astronomical objects' positions are calculated and measured. Have them demonstrate their GOTO telescopes to you. Then ask any one of them if they have ever noticed anything at all wrong with the position of anything in the sky.
All you need to do is to find experienced observers who use accurate measuring instruments. There you will find your truth. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 92826
6/16/2008 4:36 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I'm going to ask again, how many years have folks been saying there is something out of whack with the sun or the earth's arc, this isn't a hard question, since all y'all keep saying it's been happening for years. How many years? Quoting: Turtles Know 406673
As many as I've been visiting this site. 4, 5?
Doesn't matter - irrelevant. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 92826
6/16/2008 4:37 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I'm going to ask again, how many years have folks been saying there is something out of whack with the sun or the earth's arc, this isn't a hard question, since all y'all keep saying it's been happening for years. How many years?
For as long as I've been coming here, which started in 2003.
So the date folks started questioning the sun placement or the arc of the earth was 2003, interesting. Anyone else have any memories of when folks started questioning? Quoting: Turtles Know
They question because they don't understand. Year after year. And guess what, the sun is in the same wrong place every year at the same time, lol. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 9251
6/16/2008 4:45 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I found this site from a Google search - sun too far north. The sun now bothers my TV watching and so I looked around for others who have seen the same thing.
I do not get paid to stare at the sun. However, living in this house for the last 52 years does provide a relative basis for observations. My home faces north. Never before has the setting sun shed light on my front windows. Now in the evening whilst watching the boob tube we have to close the blinds in those windows.
I don't need to draw pictures or measure shadows - I know what I know - the sun is further north now than in the 5 decades I've lived here. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 424730
It's amazing how much you start to notice when you quit drinking, huh? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 88145
6/16/2008 5:26 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
So, it appears that although there are those out there would claim that the sun is somehow in the wrong place by their own measurements, none are sure enough of their knowledge of the normal motions of the sun around the solstices to stand forward and continue their claim by stating that the sun will also be out of place at sunrise on the Solstice as measured by the myriad of ancient monuments worldwide.
How interesting. |
| Menow
User ID: 453087
6/16/2008 6:41 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
"For Nibiru"? Meaning that you think all of the above was caused by an alleged mysterious planet which has never been seen? Surely you jest.
We know electricity exists yet we cannot see it. But there is substantial evidence that it is there which clarifys its presence Quoting: Anonymous Coward 451148
And what evidence do you have that "nibiru" exists?
Sure. My argument against: Where is it?
Thats not an argument. Thats a statement. Ohh, i cannot see the wind so it must not be there. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 451148
Guess again, turdhat. That is a QUESTION, not a statement. That is how discussion works. Can you answer the QUESTION? Apparently not, so you just ignore it.
Please don't start listing a mountain of "might be's" and saying that all clear evidence has been hidden from us. That would be a child's argument. If that's all you have, don't bother.
I have provided reasonable points that would give the theory credibility, so far you have provided nil in any form of against argument. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 451148
You mean you have suggested that certain alleged changes on Earth can be caused by a distant unseen planet, but you have not explained HOW that those alleged effects could be caused by such a body nor have you shown that such a body exists. You have this HUGE cart ahead of a non-existent horse. Try again. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 442657
6/16/2008 6:48 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Why bother with these 'suns in the wrong place' trolls? After the solstice (on June 20th. this year) it'll be too far South. Again! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 453037
6/16/2008 6:48 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I here and understand what you are saying and showing. Had I not seen what I saw, I would pretty much be convinced from what you have pointed out. Unfortunately, those pics hasn't changed what I noticed. So that is the quagmire I am in.
Knowing what you present and knowing what I had presented (mainly myself conviction) (or my own personal proof) has created a strange reality for me.
I charted the suns movements yesterday, here is the pic of my markings. I found an anomaly occurring between 8:30am-9:30am. The angles are near perfect, more so then the rest. The difference per hour is easily recognizable to the naked eye, but not for 8:30-9:30am. It reminds me of the cranes in New York city falling around the 8o'clock hour, March 15th and May 30th.
As far as the measurements go, they are very accurate. I used a launcher for a model rocket and checked it from several angles with a builders square, it is a true 90 degrees straight up. I just recently tied a weight to a string and dangled it next to the launcher and it still shows a perfect 90*. I used the launchers shadow to trace the lines.
[ link to i112.photobucket.com]
[ link to i112.photobucket.com]
The details are pretty much self-explains. Purple is the direction at different times, going counterclock wise from sunrise is 730(red outline) 830 930 1030 1130am - 2pm 441pm 530 630 730(red outline) 800 and 845 sunset in green. The compass is yellow/orange. The red lines show where an anomaly is beginning. The difference from 730 to 830 is greater then what it should be. Remember when the cranes in New York City fell down, around 8 o'clock.
Also notice the angles for sunrise and sunset are too far north. I am aware they should be a little north from east and west respectively, but not that far. It seems whatever is happening is occurring at night and then corrects itself around 730-930 am EST. Ironically this is 12noon in the mid-atlantic rift. Is there any consideration to magnetism at the mid-atlantic fault line?
And why is 830am-930am so identical in angle unlike the rest?
I assure you of the accuracy of my measurements. I took every consideration into thought making sure the angles were recorded very accurately.
btw, Latitude 40*27'
Tell me what you all think (if you de-bunkers are going to be asses about it, don't bother.)
I still think you may have made a mistake in your measurements.
For example, your East-West line at the top of the
image shows, albeit with multiple lines, a variance
on the West side from your 4 points drawing at the
bottom. Also, I am not an astronomer or even that
much of a casual observer. I am not the best one to
judge the accuracy of your measurements.
 |
| Menow
User ID: 453087
6/16/2008 7:05 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
This doesn't make sense. You are saying it moves out of place and then exactly back to normal position. Any anomaly significant enough to be noticed by everyday people would have devastating and instantaneous consequences on earth. There would be no denying it.
I'm not taking sides in this discussion until I do more research on my own. I'm impartial at this point. But I do think that even the scientists are confused at many earth changes happening now. They have much to learn yet themselves and it may be a layman that points it out first.
You actually believe that the world's astronomers can have missed the entire sky being out of place? Really? Truly? No foolin'? You wouldn't shit me, would ya? You CAN'T believe that. NAAAAAA.... Really?
So at this point I am open to both sides of this argument. I think that we will be in for some big surprises when long term cycles of earth and the sun become apparent to us. Modern man has just not experienced most of these cycles before.
But that is not what we are talking about here. Don't you understand that?
But I do know the wobble suddenly increased only .75 deg. right before the Sumatra quake in 2004.
Link?
Some scientists believe that it was enough to cause that quake. They expected an increase in wobble after a quake of that magnitude which there was, much smaller than the one before.
So some scientists do believe small fluctuations in the wobble does have devastating effects on the earth.
Then how do you imagine that the degree of aberration needed to cause what these people claim to be seeing would not cause world-wide catastrophic events? It would.
I don't have the link but do a search on it yourself - earth+wobble+Sumatra+earthquake.
Then you should be able to do that search and provide a link yourself.
I hope MeNow doesnt have a heart attack. I wonder how he behaves when he is in real stress. Wow.
Yes,that was a strange response. He's stressed all right. I never said the .75 degree wobble these scientists noticed right before the quake would justify enough wobble to justify the observations of the sun being too far north. I was merely pointing out that some scientists do believe that even small wobble events can cause major events on earth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 451236
And I asked you for a link to that information. Why didn't you provide one?
He just wanted to assume that I was defending the "too far North" posters so took it upon himself to assume that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 451236
So your post had nothing to do with the subject of this thread? Why don't you use say "off topic", so people will know?
I read this several months ago and didn't save link. Why would I want to go search it out again? I already did that way back when. If someone is interested they can do the search themselves. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 451236
You would do that to prove that what you are saying is accurate. That's how adults have a discussion.
He was too lazy to bother so he just chose to debunk it. He must be comfortable in his little, closed box and doesn't want or need further knowledge. It might be too stressful for him. Pitiful. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 451236
*I* am too lazy to prove YOUR assertion for you? That's rich! Are you a child? |
| Underground_Dude
User ID: 453112
6/16/2008 7:31 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
HAHAHAHAHA this is why I try to spend an hour or so on this forum out of my 20 hour waking day!
I recently got back from a cruise it started in Grenada and ended in Washington state with stops along the way including Hawaii.
We met quite a few cruisers along the way believe it or not many didn't use GPS. Guess what they used a Sextant!
So you've got somebody on here saying everything is being covered up and they've (TPTB) gotten to every astronomer whether they are professional or amateur.
I find the idea ludicrous but hey OK, but are you going to say they've gotten to every sailor as well?
The other thing is if the sun was out of place by even a small degree which would also put the stars out of place you would have thousands of lost sailors!
Think about a 1 degree error over a thousand or 2 thousand mile trip! To think that those sailors wouldn't be screaming bloody hell is crazy!
People have fun with your yearly the sun is out of place thread were every body has a feeling or an it seems or it's not setting on that tree any more. But we relied on that same sun and stars to make a major trip and hit the destinations dead on every time!
HAHAHAHAHA I LOVE THIS PLACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Menow
User ID: 453087
6/16/2008 7:38 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
sunrise is 730(red outline)
Latitude 40*27'
You are saying the Sun rose at 7.30 am at latitude 40 27. I am assuming you are in North America right? Pittsburgh is at that latitude but maybe not at the same longitude as you and In Pittsburgh the Sun rose at 5.49 am This make me very suspicious of your measuments. What longitude are you at? Or at least can you give the State that you are in if you do not want to be too specific about yur location
my mistake, 7:30 is when there appears to be a shifting, 5:50 is approx when the sun rose that day. But in your mind, there is no room for errors. Nice try, but you will not hinder my investigation. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
You make a mistake of one hour and 40 minutes and then when someone points that out you accuse them of trying to "hinder your investigation"? Sheesh! |
| Menow
User ID: 453087
6/16/2008 7:46 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
sorry dude, I started to comment what you had said and then was making remarks for Menow and other aggressive and nasty shills. By no means did I ever mean any aggressive words towards you.
Just curious... unless you consider me a shill, any chance that as long as the "aggressive shills" are not in the discussion, can we drop the "shill" "debunker" references? I've always found then a bit offensive, and don't actually consider myself one, as no one is paying me to be here, I don't really have an agenda but truth as far as I can see it from a geologists perspective, and I actually do consider any reasonable hypothesis as possible. I don't COMPLETELY rule out the Nibiru (sp?)/HAARP potential, jsut do not see any evidence for it, don't see HOW the connections for HAARP is supposed to work, and well... I've already give an example of why on Nibiru.
As to some sort of cycle with the earth for volcanicoes, earthquakes, climate... I DO see cycles, some of which ARE solar related, or moon phase related, etc. There IS something with our surrounding astronomical bodies that DOES affect this planet. then there's also the interior cycles. The magma within the mantel is not evenly melted, or a well mixed batch of cookie type of material. there are differences in consistency, material amounts and even somewhat temperature depending upon where exactly you happen, or IT happens, to be at that moment. it's a constantly moving mass, much like stirring a pot of soup. And like said soup, if you were to take a ladle out are different times, you'd get slightly different amounts of stuff with each ladle. This moves constantly under the shell of the earth we walk upon and the ocean sit. So, you may get a "thinner" portion that's more easy to creep up through the crust and set off a volcano, basically it's given a "new" feeding source.
As to why you, Schmieder, are seeing a change in inclination of the sun. I'm not there with you, haven't made the same observations, and don't know what normal looks like for you. As to how your sundial worked as it did... again, no idea why, but (not accusing you) from your picture, it almost looks like it was moved a bit... the lines don't tend to come back to a central point, like I'm used to seeing with sundials I'm familiar with. Could the wind have moved it a bit during your experiment? Not trying to "debunk", I'm actually curious about the happenings during your experiment. Quoting: Geogal
Anyone who says they are wrong is automatically a "shill". Get used to it. |
| Menow
User ID: 453087
6/16/2008 7:54 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I wish debunkers like Menow would learn a thing or two about Parallax before they open their big mouths online. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 451822
And you are going to explain that now? I doubt it.
According to scientists the Earth orbits the Sun in a huge arc many millions of miles in diameter and yet at any given time fixed telescopes can track stars which remain in exactly the same place in the sky. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 451822
They can also track the Sun, and do, on a daily basis.
Wouldn't this explain how the Sun could appear to move while the backdrop of distant stars do not? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 451822
No that is explained by the fact that we orbit the Sun, which you already stated. What is your point in all this, to pretend you know something about astronomy? You don't. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318980
6/16/2008 8:34 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I wish debunkers like Menow would learn a thing or two about Parallax before they open their big mouths online. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 451822
I might be handy if you learnt a thing or two about Astronomical Parallax before starting down this track. The Stars closest to Earth do shift their apparent positions relative to more distant starts at the extremes of the Earth's orbit around the Sun due to Parallax. The shift is tiny because even the closest stars are a long way away (for our nearest star it is 0.7 arc seconds or 5142th of a degree) The use of Astronomical Parallax was the first way the distance to our nearest stars was measured. |
| Geogal
User ID: 373387
6/16/2008 8:39 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Anyone who says they are wrong is automatically a "shill". Get used to it. Quoting: Menow 453087
I kinda have, in some ways... but, it always sounds a bit rude, ya know... and I was thinking give what you get, kinda idea. I try never to be rude, so hope for the same in exchange. I figure if someone want the same... but, people will be people, I guess.
Yes. I've lived with the "shill" thing for most of my time here on GLP. Past the first thread I was ever on here, I was called it like my 1st or 2nd post jsut for stating my point of view and my knowledge. I always get turned off from reading either a thread or a poster when name-calling and bad language are used. If I'm interested in the subject, I still read the thread, but not a post with it in it. |
| Geogal
User ID: 373387
6/16/2008 8:42 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I wish debunkers like Menow would learn a thing or two about Parallax before they open their big mouths online.
I might be handy if you learnt a thing or two about Astronomical Parallax before starting down this track. The Stars closest to Earth do shift their apparent positions relative to more distant starts at the extremes of the Earth's orbit around the Sun due to Parallax. The shift is tiny because even the closest stars are a long way away (for our nearest star it is 0.7 arc seconds or 5142th of a degree) The use of Astronomical Parallax was the first way the distance to our nearest stars was measured. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318980
Do you have a good link or suggestion for site for reading about "galactic planes" in regards to science as opposed to the popular myth... i'd appreciate it. There are too many to sift through out there. |
| czygyny
User ID: 418932
6/16/2008 11:37 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
OK, I went out tonight and set up a white pole laying on a fence post, lining up north, and a compass and took photos of the sun set. I live in far north California, and the sun set WNW, not even close to due north.
After next week it will start traversing back south, then I'll see y'all here discussing this around the end of next December. |
| Menow
User ID: 453087
6/16/2008 11:54 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Geogal- 451897 back
It took me a while to find the pictures and upload them, but here's what I have... they are from YOWUSA.com and were done by Jacco van der Worp. People can judge for themselves whether they think this is good information. Personally, I think that this, if true, would certainly explain all kinds of effects on our solar system, including the sun, which IMHO is more intense and a different color than it was when I was a kid. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 451897
And how would another planet in the Solar system change the color of the Sun? Please be specific.
(There isn't one of these for 2008)
[ link to i299.photobucket.com]
April 2007 - Planet X incoming from below the ecliptic. Ideal position for start of continuous observation by the South Pole Telescope (SPT).
But you think no other telescopes could see it?
[ link to i299.photobucket.com]
May 2009 - Below the asteroid belt, the object becomes bright enough for amateurs in the Southern hemisphere to see. Viewing requires high-powered binoculars or small telescope.
[ link to i299.photobucket.com]
May 2011 - Almost due South of Earth, it becomes bright enough for naked eye observation in the southern hemisphere.
[ link to i299.photobucket.com]
December 2012 - Passes through ecliptic plane and triggers strong electrical interaction with Sun. Object will appear as a second Sun. It will be bright red and approximately the size of the moon. Viewing times will vary.
[ link to i299.photobucket.com]
February 2013 - Planet X passes through perihelion, and maximum electrical interaction with Sun begins. This is the most catastrophic period for Earth and peaks when Earth moves between Planet X and the Sun.
[ link to i299.photobucket.com]
July 2013 - Planet X appears smaller, but is still visible as a second sun, and now it has a massive tail. The intensity of Earth's cataclysms now begins to diminish as interaction with the Sun reduces.
[ link to i299.photobucket.com]
July 2014 - Planet X is moving away from the core of the solar system. Earth enters another period of relative quiecence. The few who survive begin rebuilding civilization.
That is just a bunch of drawings. What makes you think they are in any way credible? |
| Menow
User ID: 453087
6/17/2008 12:00 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
so you admit that the sun is in the right position.. It could not have suddenly corrected itself ( due to cnsevation of energy and momentum)so must have been the whole time.
god knows why you went on this little IQ rant when you admit that your entire point has been wrong the whole time/. I would like to offer words of encouragment that you actualy went and did some measurments but I find the fact that you thought you needed to so utterly retarded I cant.
quetioning things is indeed the sign of an active mind but you must learn that you cant then question everything! That way madness lies.
Well, if the sun is in one place one morning, and then 20 degrees off the the left the next morning at the same time of day...what would you expect? Yes, it is shifting.
Only a slave is told NOT to question everything. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
If that was true, oceans would be flowing over contintents now. You are wrong. |
| Menow
User ID: 453087
6/17/2008 12:08 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I am confident in my accuracy! I do not believe your claims.
Specifically what don't you believe?
That you have measured the suns position. If you had, the conversation would be much different right now. As far as everything else you typed, I'm inclined to disregard it on the note of actually measuring the suns position. But, that I can not determine so you have the benefit of doubt. I will not call you a liar, I hate that, but you did not measure the suns position...that or you are denying the real position. Or, there is a time/space warping difference from your point of observation and mine. At this point in time, who knows anymore. All I can trust is what I see and experience. My conviction is unbreakable. Consider that, something is going on.
I really have to go. I will be back online later. Especially the summer solstice.
Beyond the debate, I hope EVERYONE has a great Fathers Day.
Live, Love and be at Peace Quoting: Schmieder 324203
Isn't it funny how only those who use sloppy measuring and observation methods think the Sun is out of place. No, they KNOW it is out of place and deny any possibility that those who have proper instruments and methods could be right. It's hilarious. |
| himself
User ID: 453229
6/17/2008 12:14 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
>"Britannica:
latitudes approximately 23°27 N and 23°27 S of the terrestrial Equator, respectively. These latitudes correspond to the northernmost and southernmost declinations of the Sun’s ecliptic to the celestial equator. At the summer solstice (in the Northern Hemisphere), around June 21, the Sun attains its greatest declination north and is directly over the Tropic of Cancer. At that time the Sun appears in the constellation Gemini, but much earlier in history, it lay in the constellation Cancer, thereby resulting in the designation Tropic of Cancer. Similarly, at the winter solstice (Northern Hemisphere), around December 21, the Sun is directly over the Tropic of Capricorn"<
[link to www.britannica.com]
Theory is what is in the textbooks and reference books.
Reality is what you observe with your own eyes.
Simply stated.
If you live north of the Tropic of Cancer, and the sun ever shines on the north side of your wall.
The earth is tilted beyond the norm.
Similarly if you live south of the Tropic of Capricorn and the sun ever shines on the south side of a wall, the earth is tilted beyond the norm. Read below/ visit link etc.etc.etc.
These observation arguments are like people a metronome
It's right
no it's center!
it's left
no it's center! |
| Menow
User ID: 453087
6/17/2008 12:18 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I'm going to ask again, how many years have folks been saying there is something out of whack with the sun or the earth's arc, this isn't a hard question, since all y'all keep saying it's been happening for years. How many years?
For as long as I've been coming here, which started in 2003.
So the date folks started questioning the sun placement or the arc of the earth was 2003, interesting. Anyone else have any memories of when folks started questioning? Quoting: Turtles Know
They started questioning it after Nancy Lieder starting pumping that story onto the internet. That is where all this bullshit originated. |
| himself
User ID: 453229
6/17/2008 12:21 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I did a perception test a few years back.
Choosing people who quoted the Declaration of Independence as "....Life Liberty Property..."
I got an official copy of the Declaration and laid it on a table.
"Please read this aloud" I asked my volunteers.
Each of whom read the text:
quote; "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
— that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. —
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed," /quote
Each read aloud:
"...that among these are Life, Liberty and Property...."
While looking at:
"...that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness..."
Their eyes saw
but
their brains refused to register that which they did not believe
and
substituted what they believed in place of the actual words their eyes were looking at!
...........................................
Some people with strong opinions see only what they want to see.
Others with no iron in the fire, see what is actually there and post their honest observations.
Each of us must ask themselves which group we belong to.
Opinionated people "shouting past each other" is entertaining, but not informative.
........................................... |
| Menow
User ID: 453087
6/17/2008 12:23 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I found this site from a Google search - sun too far north. The sun now bothers my TV watching and so I looked around for others who have seen the same thing.
I do not get paid to stare at the sun. However, living in this house for the last 52 years does provide a relative basis for observations. My home faces north. Never before has the setting sun shed light on my front windows. Now in the evening whilst watching the boob tube we have to close the blinds in those windows.
I don't need to draw pictures or measure shadows - I know what I know - the sun is further north now than in the 5 decades I've lived here. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 424730
OK. Let's suppose that is true. How do you explain the world's astronomers not noticing it? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 453233
6/17/2008 12:31 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Last week I got out my compass because I just couldn't believe the angle of the sun at sunset. I live about 40 miles north of Denver and of course here everyone knows the mountains are to the west -- and that's where we're used to seeing the sun set. But it was way far north. My compass said it was setting due north. I knew it was wrong because it was shining right into my office window. Usually at sunset it doesn't do that. I also noticed that the sun is bright white and very strong, it seemed much more brilliant than usual. When I tried to talk to other people about it, I get that "you must be crazy" thing.
I have been following along with Zetatalk for a couple of years now. I am pretty convinced that that is disinfo, however, I have come to believe that some of the info is accurate and it's all really a coverup for something -- it's being done to confuse us about what's really going on, I think. Anyway, I'm convinced that weird stuff is happening with the sun, solar system, etc., but it is very hard to find out the truth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 452731
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| himself
User ID: 453229
6/17/2008 12:41 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
[Quoting: Turtles Know 406673:]
I'm going to ask again, how many years have folks been saying there is something out of whack with the sun or the earth's arc, this isn't a hard question, since all y'all keep saying it's been happening for years. How many years?
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For as long as I've been coming here, which started in 2003.
So the date folks started questioning the sun placement or the arc of the earth was 2003, interesting. Anyone else have any memories of when folks started questioning?
[Quoting: Menow 453087:]
They started questioning it after Nancy Lieder starting pumping that story onto the internet. That is where all this bullshit originated.
Page 18 and page 28 both answered that question by referencing 1986 as a date people were noticing the sun seeming sometimes out of place.
quoted below:
From page 18 and page 28 of THIS thread:
location
Arizona desert
1986, west of Phoenix
West of White Tank mountains.
Neighbor & I sat on his porch watching sunrise.
[drinking coffee]
He pointed out the peak the sun was rising just left of and noted
"I've seen sunrises from this spot of dozens of years.
It's never been left/north of that peak before."
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ALL these honest observations origionated with people seeing something they had never seen before.
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I've been on the internet since October 1984
That's 24 years.
People do NOT post "sun is out of place" every year.
They post that ONLY WHEN THE SUN SEEMS OUT OF PLACE!
Who else here has no respect for people who demand we all use telescops and simultaneously also cite Mayans who had no telescopes? |
| Geogal
User ID: 373387
6/17/2008 12:52 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
[link to aa.usno.navy.mil]
On this site, you can enter your city, State, date
it'll give you rise, set, and other info for the sun and the moon.
It doesn't give declinations, but you can gleam a lot of other info.
Enjoy! 
Woman of white garment, foreign woman, earth-eating woman, taking and giving life, she is Pele
"ONCE IN HIS LIFE, EVERY MAN IS ENTITLED TO FALL MADLY IN LOVE WITH A GORGEOUS REDHEAD" - LUCILLE BALL |
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