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| Cynical Realist
User ID: 441694
6/10/2008 2:44 PM
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I'm in the Rocky Mountains 2 weeks ago we had snow today is 70 degrees pretty normal for this time of year.
Let me guess - Cheyenne Mountain?
It's like a fricken shill pile on this thread.
What do you all fear? Quoting: Right Brain
Of which you have contributed about 9%. ......Keep up the good work.
.... And thats coming from an old Cynic |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 18328
6/10/2008 2:44 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
It is not the Sun that changed BUT the Earth.
My compass shows north has moved a few degrees to the west.
Learn about declination.
[ link to www.compassdude.com]
Learn about de-cat!
[link to www.thecatsite.com] |
| JimmyK
User ID: 387015
6/10/2008 2:46 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Easy does it folks. You will age before your time at this rate.
[link to www.stellarium.org]
If you are really interested in such things download the free software. It is way past cool.
Plot in your location and you can take this thing for a spin forward or backwards in time. It will tell you exactly where at any given moment the Sun and all other objects are supposed to be.
I use it often for Astronomy and it is dead on every time.
Want to know where the Sun is supposed to be in relation to you on any given date? Check it out, it is free and a great program.
Regards
JimmyK |
| Menow
User ID: 449281
6/10/2008 2:54 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Those who fight so hard against Op's postulation must be protecting something.
Otherwise, why wouldn't they just let OP alone?
If OP is crazy, then why don't you just let her howl at the wind.
Debunkers always reinforce my opinion that there's truth about.
But you won't simply ask an astronomer and find out the truth. No body is "fighting so hard". We are simply offering the observation that the OP is making an absurd claim with ZERO supporting evidence.
Personally, I don't give a shit either way. Quoting: Right Brain
Then why are you posting, vehemently, on this thread?
Neither should you when somebody makes a post. Quoting: Right Brain
No one should care about anything anybody posts? Gee, that would certainly kill a forum fast, don't you think?
What do you think this is - a science forum? It's freakin GLP. If somebody wants to claim something - so be it. Quoting: Right Brain
If it's not a science forum, then why are so many people making scientific claims here?
Believe, don't believe, move along, whatever. Quoting: Right Brain
Why do you care so much about what I post?
BTW, who is the "WE" that you speak about? Quoting: Right Brain
The ones who are offering the observation I mentioned. I think that was clear.
All I know is that where I live, in the southern US, we've set a new record each day of June for temperature. Quoting: Right Brain
And? What does that have to do with the claim of the OP?
Go back and check any record books to find out how common that is - NOT. 10 days straight of new heat records. Quoting: Right Brain
"Common"? No, that's why they call it a "record". Unprecedented" No, not at all. I can remember stretches of temperature records a week long before now. Again, what does this have to do with the OP's claim?
Nearly 100 each day of June. That is the FACT. That is verifiable. So, something is up with the Sun and personally, I'm open to all explanations. Quoting: Right Brain
Even the absurd, clearly false ones? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 373696
6/10/2008 2:58 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I lived in Texas for a few years. As I recall hot weather wasn't unusual. Neither were nitwits.
A few years, well that must make you an expert, JR.
I've lived here for 20+
So, why don't you prove to me that historically, it's normal to have 100 degrees for the first ten days of June.
Just give up Jackass, you tried to make a point and failed because you didn't gather all the pertinent information before drawing your conclusion.
That would make you a woowoo. Quoting: Right Brain
So I'm guessing you're an oilman, with a vested interest in fighting anyone who claims greenhouse gasses may cause warming (read shill). Much better that the earth has drifted out of its orbit for no good reason.
I'd love to educate you, but I'll see if you're willing to do some homework. This site
[link to www.ncdc.noaa.gov]
will let you figure out whether it's normal or not.
Let us know what you find out, and then tell us who's to blame. |
| Schmieder
User ID: 324203
6/10/2008 3:21 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
two words for all you de-bunkers
CONSPIRACY FORUM!!!
you de-bunkers are like birds trying to swim. And you wonder why this environment of communication is strange to you!
People who only believe in what they can hear, smell, see, taste, feel and be told by government funded scientists do not naturally fit here.
To understand why your type roams these conspiracies, day after day, constantly being bitter and forceful we have to look at the simple side of it all.
Bitter and forceful, de-bunkers enjoy aggressive confrontations. That is their nature.
I could be wrong, though I feel I'm right spot on! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 373289
6/10/2008 3:25 PM | | Duncan Kunz 
The Debunker King
User ID: 8107
6/10/2008 3:26 PM
 | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Those who fight so hard against Op's postulation must be protecting something. Quoting: Right Brain
Yes. Truth and honesty. They're worth protecting/
Otherwise, why wouldn't they just let OP alone?
If OP is crazy, then why don't you just let her howl at the wind.
Debunkers always reinforce my opinion that there's truth about. Quoting: Right Brain
Maybe it's because us debunkers do not like lies being passed around as truth.
Those western imperialist warmongers beat us to the Moon. Damn! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 225593
6/10/2008 3:33 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
These post mystify me, basically when you make a statement like this (sun/moon is in the wrong place) you are saying that in all the world every astronomer has no clue what they are doing, or that millions of people who do this for a hobby are "in" on the conspiracy. |
| Elfchick22
User ID: 16106
6/10/2008 3:46 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Well I don't know what's going on but when I moved into my house, the north side of my hen house never got any sun. I had to change all the(sun loving) plants I put there. I have had shade plants there for 6 yrs now, all was well. Last year,maybe the year before that, I noticed certain plants getting burned and and had to move some out. This year it is almost fully in the sun for about 6 or more hrs a day. I have the sun plants back in now. fwiw
So you think you have discovered something the world's astronomers have missed? Could it be that you are mistaken? Which is more likely? Quoting: Menow 449281
I didn't say I discovered anything. I gave my planting history for the north side of my henhouse. I know when the sun is burning my plants and when they are flourishing. You must be a shill to jump on me and accuse me of being wrong about my own garden,when I was only making an observation not a conclusion. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 411321
6/10/2008 3:46 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
The tidal-lock balancing act is no more holding things together, as it should. Earth... Moon... Sun...
Magnetic Field.....!
AnyWay...
Yolgnu. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 18328
6/10/2008 3:50 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
In the end you will find......
......Zetas right again! |
| Menow
User ID: 449281
6/10/2008 3:52 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
two words for all you de-bunkers
People who only believe in what they can hear, smell, see, taste, feel and be told by government funded scientists do not naturally fit here. Quoting: Schmieder 324203
You actually think that amateur astronomers are funded by the government? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 449464
6/10/2008 3:54 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
C'mon girl, your ignorance is giving Americans a bad name. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 373696
Indeed! Here in Europe these threads about the Sun being "too far north" or "too far South" don't even exist!
I marked the lines of sunset in my house and they are the same as they were years ago. Or may it be the case that we have a different Sun here? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 373696
6/10/2008 3:57 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
C'mon girl, your ignorance is giving Americans a bad name.
Indeed! Here in Europe these threads about the Sun being "too far north" or "too far South" don't even exist!
I marked the lines of sunset in my house and they are the same as they were years ago. Or may it be the case that we have a different Sun here? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 449464
Oh, but everyone knows Europe is just government propaganda. There's no such thing! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 18328
6/10/2008 4:02 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
two words for all you de-bunkers
People who only believe in what they can hear, smell, see, taste, feel and be told by government funded scientists do not naturally fit here.
You actually think that amateur astronomers are funded by the government? Quoting: Menow 449281
C'mon Nancy light my fire...... |
| Menow
User ID: 449281
6/10/2008 4:06 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Well I don't know what's going on but when I moved into my house, the north side of my hen house never got any sun. I had to change all the(sun loving) plants I put there. I have had shade plants there for 6 yrs now, all was well. Last year,maybe the year before that, I noticed certain plants getting burned and and had to move some out. This year it is almost fully in the sun for about 6 or more hrs a day. I have the sun plants back in now. fwiw
So you think you have discovered something the world's astronomers have missed? Could it be that you are mistaken? Which is more likely?
I didn't say I discovered anything. Quoting: Elfchick22 16106
Yes you did. Quote you: "the north side of my hen house never got any sun"
And: "This year it is almost fully in the sun for about 6 or more hrs a day."
You claim to have "discovered" the above anomoly.
I gave my planting history for the north side of my henhouse. Quoting: Elfchick22 16106
You also gave the "history" of the alleged position of the Sun.
I know when the sun is burning my plants and when they are flourishing. Quoting: Elfchick22 16106
I'm sure you do. That is not the issue. The issue is the conclusion you have reached as to WHY your plants were burning.
You must be a shill to jump on me and accuse me of being wrong about my own garden,when I was only making an observation not a conclusion. Quoting: Elfchick22 16106
No, I suggested that you were mistaken about the anomolous position of the Sun. There are two choices: Either you are mistaken, or you have discoverd something that the world's astronomers have missed. Which do you suppose is more likely? |
| Setheory
User ID: 383050
6/10/2008 4:07 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Dude, It was viewing the ships as they left the harbor and people noticed they could only see the top half after some distance occurred between the viewer and the ship.
THAT, is what started the question "Is the world really flat or is it rounded?"
A simple observation lead to the discovery of the world being round, spherical.
And tell me, what scientific instruments back then were used to calculate the earths shape? Their brains, and it was a bunch of sailors that actually lead the discovery. A bunch of alcoholic sailors.
AND, those who 1st supported the idea the world was rounded were ridiculed constantly, they were socially unaccepted.
It was not scientists today who made the discovery then.
In fact, the Greeks before Columbus's time new the world was round. The church was suppressing the idea from the public.
Just like TPTB are suppressing knowledge now! Quoting: Schmieder 324203
Those sailors did not make any discoveries; they were simply good at observation and noticed an anomaly. Scientists such as Eratosthenes were able to deduce how to measure and test this “theory”. I believe he measured the shadows of the summer solstice at different locations and was able to predict the circumference of the Earth via trigonometry within an error of around 10 percent.
In this case, we have a small minority of people who claim the sun “seems off”, but they are not willing to utilize or even recognize that same science to resolve their claims. I know that it is fun to believe in these things….to imagine you have discovered something that thousands of experts have not, but that “fun” has nothing to do with reality.
Yes, many things on GLP are “fun” to think about. |
| JimmyK
User ID: 387015
6/10/2008 4:08 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
two words for all you de-bunkers
People who only believe in what they can hear, smell, see, taste, feel and be told by government funded scientists do not naturally fit here.
You actually think that amateur astronomers are funded by the government? Quoting: Menow 449281
OH BOY! I have a LOT of back pay coming! LOL |
| Right Brain
User ID: 429601
6/10/2008 4:17 PM
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Those who fight so hard against Op's postulation must be protecting something.
Otherwise, why wouldn't they just let OP alone?
If OP is crazy, then why don't you just let her howl at the wind.
Debunkers always reinforce my opinion that there's truth about.
But you won't simply ask an astronomer and find out the truth. No body is "fighting so hard". We are simply offering the observation that the OP is making an absurd claim with ZERO supporting evidence.
Personally, I don't give a shit either way.
Then why are you posting, vehemently, on this thread?
Neither should you when somebody makes a post.
No one should care about anything anybody posts? Gee, that would certainly kill a forum fast, don't you think?
What do you think this is - a science forum? It's freakin GLP. If somebody wants to claim something - so be it.
If it's not a science forum, then why are so many people making scientific claims here?
Believe, don't believe, move along, whatever.
Why do you care so much about what I post?
BTW, who is the "WE" that you speak about?
The ones who are offering the observation I mentioned. I think that was clear.
All I know is that where I live, in the southern US, we've set a new record each day of June for temperature.
And? What does that have to do with the claim of the OP?
Go back and check any record books to find out how common that is - NOT. 10 days straight of new heat records.
"Common"? No, that's why they call it a "record". Unprecedented" No, not at all. I can remember stretches of temperature records a week long before now. Again, what does this have to do with the OP's claim?
Nearly 100 each day of June. That is the FACT. That is verifiable. So, something is up with the Sun and personally, I'm open to all explanations.
Even the absurd, clearly false ones? Quoting: Menow 449281
I've found this same behavior pattern in other debunker types. Answer each sentence with a sentence. Makes it difficult to reply, eh, Private?
What a neurotic. If you had any friends, I'd feel sorry for them.
Tell ya what, Private, why don't you go take a little nap and let your filter software *ding* when somebody posts about the sun or the moon again.
Or you could pop over to my thread about the sun being too far south and make sure that you're covering all bases with your ridicule.
It's really great that you are here to set everyone straight.
Seriously, you should get a raise.
I know why I'm here
I'm just too lazy to do it. |
| Right Brain
User ID: 429601
6/10/2008 4:22 PM
| | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
So I'm guessing you're an oilman, with a vested interest in fighting anyone who claims greenhouse gasses may cause warming (read shill). Much better that the earth has drifted out of its orbit for no good reason.
I'd love to educate you, but I'll see if you're willing to do some homework. This site
[ link to www.ncdc.noaa.gov]
will let you figure out whether it's normal or not.
Let us know what you find out, and then tell us who's to blame.
I'm not sure what your first paragraph means. Seems like gibberish.
Second paragraph, typical shill weinie - post a link. You are too lazy and/or dumb to actually respond with facts. I can google noaa, too. In fact I used to live quite close to a NOAA station and was good friends with one of the local researchers.
Third paragraph, I have no need to prove anything to you, and if you actually read my posts, the only statement i made was that it was hotter than normal here and that I'm open to all possibilities.
And the Sun is too far south, btw.
I know why I'm here
I'm just too lazy to do it. |
| Right Brain
User ID: 429601
6/10/2008 4:24 PM
| | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Those who fight so hard against Op's postulation must be protecting something.
Yes. Truth and honesty. They're worth protecting/
Otherwise, why wouldn't they just let OP alone?
If OP is crazy, then why don't you just let her howl at the wind.
Debunkers always reinforce my opinion that there's truth about.
Maybe it's because us debunkers do not like lies being passed around as truth. Quoting: Duncan Kunz
Hey Kuntz, that didn't take long. Did your "Sun" filter ding, too, or did you get a PM from one of the other shills?
It's a fricken' conspiracy board, dimwit.
Go get a colonic and tonic, your ass is getting old.
I know why I'm here
I'm just too lazy to do it. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 294313
6/10/2008 4:26 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Y'all leave the Sun outta this y'hear! |
| Menow
User ID: 449281
6/10/2008 4:28 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Those who fight so hard against Op's postulation must be protecting something.
Otherwise, why wouldn't they just let OP alone?
If OP is crazy, then why don't you just let her howl at the wind.
Debunkers always reinforce my opinion that there's truth about.
But you won't simply ask an astronomer and find out the truth. No body is "fighting so hard". We are simply offering the observation that the OP is making an absurd claim with ZERO supporting evidence.
Personally, I don't give a shit either way.
Then why are you posting, vehemently, on this thread?
Neither should you when somebody makes a post.
No one should care about anything anybody posts? Gee, that would certainly kill a forum fast, don't you think?
What do you think this is - a science forum? It's freakin GLP. If somebody wants to claim something - so be it.
If it's not a science forum, then why are so many people making scientific claims here?
Believe, don't believe, move along, whatever.
Why do you care so much about what I post?
BTW, who is the "WE" that you speak about?
The ones who are offering the observation I mentioned. I think that was clear.
All I know is that where I live, in the southern US, we've set a new record each day of June for temperature.
And? What does that have to do with the claim of the OP?
Go back and check any record books to find out how common that is - NOT. 10 days straight of new heat records.
"Common"? No, that's why they call it a "record". Unprecedented" No, not at all. I can remember stretches of temperature records a week long before now. Again, what does this have to do with the OP's claim?
Nearly 100 each day of June. That is the FACT. That is verifiable. So, something is up with the Sun and personally, I'm open to all explanations.
Even the absurd, clearly false ones?
I've found this same behavior pattern in other debunker types. Answer each sentence with a sentence. Makes it difficult to reply, eh, Private? Quoting: Right Brain
No, it's quite simple. You can easily do the same thing. It is a concise way of aswering each specific point. You simply put brackets like this: [/] with the word "quote" in there. That puts a box around the point to which you want to respond. Then you can C&P the "quote:Right Brain" with the same brackets around it to quote the next section. Try it. It makes things really clear. Maybe clarity is not what you want. That seems the case.
What a neurotic. If you had any friends, I'd feel sorry for them. Quoting: Right Brain
Ahh... you are going to ignore every point I made and go right to personal attacks. Typical.
Tell ya what, Private, why don't you go take a little nap and let your filter software *ding* when somebody posts about the sun or the moon again. Quoting: Right Brain
See above.
Or you could pop over to my thread about the sun being too far south and make sure that you're covering all bases with your ridicule. Quoting: Right Brain
See above.
It's really great that you are here to set everyone straight. Quoting: Right Brain
See above.
Seriously, you should get a raise. Quoting: Right Brain
See above. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 18328
6/10/2008 4:29 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Those who fight so hard against Op's postulation must be protecting something.
Otherwise, why wouldn't they just let OP alone?
If OP is crazy, then why don't you just let her howl at the wind.
Debunkers always reinforce my opinion that there's truth about.
But you won't simply ask an astronomer and find out the truth. No body is "fighting so hard". We are simply offering the observation that the OP is making an absurd claim with ZERO supporting evidence.
Personally, I don't give a shit either way.
Then why are you posting, vehemently, on this thread?
Neither should you when somebody makes a post.
No one should care about anything anybody posts? Gee, that would certainly kill a forum fast, don't you think?
What do you think this is - a science forum? It's freakin GLP. If somebody wants to claim something - so be it.
If it's not a science forum, then why are so many people making scientific claims here?
Believe, don't believe, move along, whatever.
Why do you care so much about what I post?
BTW, who is the "WE" that you speak about?
The ones who are offering the observation I mentioned. I think that was clear.
All I know is that where I live, in the southern US, we've set a new record each day of June for temperature.
And? What does that have to do with the claim of the OP?
Go back and check any record books to find out how common that is - NOT. 10 days straight of new heat records.
"Common"? No, that's why they call it a "record". Unprecedented" No, not at all. I can remember stretches of temperature records a week long before now. Again, what does this have to do with the OP's claim?
Nearly 100 each day of June. That is the FACT. That is verifiable. So, something is up with the Sun and personally, I'm open to all explanations.
Even the absurd, clearly false ones?
I've found this same behavior pattern in other debunker types. Answer each sentence with a sentence. Makes it difficult to reply, eh, Private?
What a neurotic. If you had any friends, I'd feel sorry for them.
Tell ya what, Private, why don't you go take a little nap and let your filter software *ding* when somebody posts about the sun or the moon again.
Or you could pop over to my thread about the sun being too far south and make sure that you're covering all bases with your ridicule.
It's really great that you are here to set everyone straight.
Seriously, you should get a raise. Quoting: Right Brain
Morriss, aka Meow...rofl.....loves to debate a point, any point....then attacks with name calling because we are all below his level of intelligence. He thinks he is going to change the world and make people here fall in line.
And Nancy won't even take his calls anymore. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 373696
6/10/2008 4:33 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
So I'm guessing you're an oilman, with a vested interest in fighting anyone who claims greenhouse gasses may cause warming (read shill). Much better that the earth has drifted out of its orbit for no good reason.
I'd love to educate you, but I'll see if you're willing to do some homework. This site
[ link to www.ncdc.noaa.gov]
will let you figure out whether it's normal or not.
Let us know what you find out, and then tell us who's to blame.
I'm not sure what your first paragraph means. Seems like gibberish.
No, plain english. Oops, I forgot, you're in Texas.
Second paragraph, typical shill weinie - post a link. You are too lazy and/or dumb to actually respond with facts. I can google noaa, too. In fact I used to live quite close to a NOAA station and was good friends with one of the local researchers. Quoting: Right Brain
Typical nitwit. Avoid the challenge and change the subject.
Third paragraph, I have no need to prove anything to you, and if you actually read my posts, the only statement i made was that it was hotter than normal here and that I'm open to all possibilities. Quoting: Right Brain
I recall you making some other statements, but you're right, you don't owe me anything. Let's move on.
And the Sun is too far south, btw. Quoting: Right Brain
I saw. I'll keep it in mind while I'm spending my shill money.
Good God, I've turned into a troll. Have a good life, and don't neglect the left brain. |
| Menow
User ID: 449281
6/10/2008 4:37 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Morriss, aka Meow...rofl.....loves to debate a point, any point....then attacks with name calling because we are all below his level of intelligence. He thinks he is going to change the world and make people here fall in line.
And Nancy won't even take his calls anymore. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18328
Care to quote a my alleged "attacks with name calling"? Of course, this would need to be an example where I had offered no facts or points of logic in the thread. Can you do that? No, I don't think you can. Actually, sadly, as I am certainly not a genius, you do seem to be of inferior intellect. You offer no logical discussion. ONLY personal attacks, just like the other bunker/trolls. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 341677
6/10/2008 4:39 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
  
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 166625
6/10/2008 4:58 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
The Washington Post summarized an interview with the JPL IRAS lead scientist:
A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth that it would be part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constellation Orion by an orbiting telescope... 'All I can tell you is that we don't know what it is', said Gerry Neugebauer, chief IRAS scientist. |
| Menow
User ID: 449281
6/10/2008 5:05 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
The Washington Post summarized an interview with the JPL IRAS lead scientist:
A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth that it would be part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constellation Orion by an orbiting telescope... 'All I can tell you is that we don't know what it is', said Gerry Neugebauer, chief IRAS scientist. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 166625
Post the rest of the article and the follow up where they concluded it was NOT a planet anywhere near the Solar System, dickwad/troll. |
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