| | | Page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 | I've been through the desert on a thread with no name
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318980
6/17/2008 2:49 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I wait with baited breath....
(it's 'bated' breath, as in holding one's breath (a)bate ) Quoting: pssst… 418932
No, my breath was definitely baited.... :-) |
| Menow
User ID: 453087
6/17/2008 3:10 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
PS: I'm sure there are some other imaginative scenarios we could contrive to explain the motions you feel are foolproof indicators.
I wait with baited breath....
You're kidding, right? OK, let's just play the most ridiculous card in the deck. Why waste time? Here goes:
Benevolent aliens are moving things around in the sky so that they appear normal. Barring that, they introduce "screen memories" to keep individuals from seeing and remembering what is actually in front of them. You have been subjected to this procedure. K?
Oh that is disappointing, I thought you were going to come up with testable hypothesis that would explain how the inclination of the axis of rotation of the earth to the ecliptic could change yet the Sun rise/set times and locations remain exactly how they should be thus showing that these were not good indicators of axial tilt. Oh well... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318980
My "Polaris in place" experiment is just as testable as your "Sun rise/set times" one, if I include unnecessary (in this instance) details such as checking to see if the ecliptic has shifted. The point of this whole thing is to offer a way for the uninitiated to see if the sky has shifted abnormally. They don't trust the tables you are using to check your times and locations. Get it? |
| himself
User ID: 453589
6/17/2008 3:29 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
[link to hpiers.obspm.fr]
International Earth Rotation and Reference Systems Service
Works to maintain the International Celestial Reference System and Frame, and the International Terrestrial Reference System and Frame,
[link to www.iers.org]
Global geophysical fluids data provide information related to Earth rotation variation, gravity field variation and geocenter motion that are caused by mass transports in the global geophysical fluids (atmosphere, oceans, hydrology, tides, mantle, core).
[link to www.iers.org]
Earth Orientation Data
[link to www.iers.org]
The Rotating Earth: Science Background
[link to www.iers.org]
Measuring the irregularities of the Earth's rotation
The variability of the earth-rotation vector relative to the body of the planet or in inertial space is caused by the gravitational torque exerted by the Moon, Sun and planets, displacements of matter in different parts of the planet and other excitation mechanisms. The observed oscillations can be interpreted in terms of mantle elasticity, earth flattening, structure and properties of the core-mantle boundary, rheology of the core, underground water, oceanic variability, and atmospheric variability on time scales of weather or climate. The understanding of the coupling between the various layers of our planet is also a key aspect of this research.
==============================================
Links already posted on page 30 for the following articles:
ScienceDaily (Jun. 26, 2006) — New technologies are enabling scientists to determine precisely the extent and causes of Earth's short-term wobbling. Like a spinning top, Earth wobbles as it rotates on its axis. In fact, it displays many different wobbling motions, ranging in period from a few minutes to billions of years. Some of these are well studied, like the Chandler wobble of 433 days and the annual wobble, which together can tilt Earth's axis up to 10 meters [30 feet] from its nominal center.
...
In a paper scheduled to be published 1 July in Geophysical Research Letters, they conclude that weather patterns in the northern hemisphere played a significant role. Both the location of high- or low-pressure centers--for example, over Asia or northern Europe--and the relationship of these weather systems to each other played a measurable role in creating, or "exciting," small, short-term wobbles, they report.
...
Writing in the August 1 issue of Geophysical Research Letters, Richard S. Gross of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory reports that the principal cause of the Chandler wobble is fluctuating pressure on the bottom of the ocean, caused by temperature and salinity changes and wind-driven changes in the circulation of the oceans. He determined this by applying numerical models of the oceans, which have only recently become available through the work of other researchers, to data on the Chandler wobble obtained during the years 1985-1995. Gross calculated that two-thirds of the Chandler wobble is caused by ocean-bottom pressure changes and the remaining one-third by fluctuations in atmospheric pressure. He says that the effect of atmospheric winds and ocean currents on the wobble was minor.
... |
| himself
User ID: 453589
6/17/2008 3:46 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
btw Clyde Tombaugh was talking about him
looking where a planet should have been,
based on mathamatical models of gravitational effects on planets.
He found Pluto.
[link to www.livescience.com]
Ice Ages Blamed on Tilted Earth
By Michael Schirber, LiveScience Staff Writer
posted: 30 March 2005 09:09 am ET
In the past million years, the Earth experienced a major ice age about every 100,000 years. Scientists have several theories to explain this glacial cycle, but new research suggests the primary driving force is all in how the planet leans.
The Earth's rotation axis is not perpendicular to the plane in which it orbits the Sun. It's offset by 23.5 degrees. This tilt, or obliquity, explains why we have seasons and why places above the Arctic Circle have 24-hour darkness in winter and constant sunlight in the summer.
But the angle is not constant - it is currently decreasing from a maximum of 24 degrees towards a minimum of 22.5 degrees. This variation goes in a 40,000-year cycle.
Earth's Wobble ...
... is like the precession of a spinning top.
Peter Huybers of Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution and Carl Wunsch of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology have compared the timing of the tilt variations with that of the last seven ice ages. They found that the ends of those periods - called glacial terminations - corresponded to times of greatest tilt.
"The apparent reason for this is that the annual average sunlight in the higher latitudes is greater when the tilt is at maximum," Huybers told LiveScience in a telephone interview.
More sunlight seasonally hitting polar regions would help to melt the ice sheets. This tilt effect seems to explain why ice ages came more quickly - every 40,000 years, just like the tilt variations -- between two and one million years ago.
"Obliquity clearly was important at one point," Huybers said....
[link to www.space.com]
[link to www.livescience.com] |
| Menow
User ID: 453087
6/17/2008 3:54 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
btw Clyde Tombaugh was talking about him
looking where a planet should have been,
based on mathamatical models of gravitational effects on planets.
He found Pluto.
[ link to www.livescience.com]
Ice Ages Blamed on Tilted Earth
By Michael Schirber, LiveScience Staff Writer
posted: 30 March 2005 09:09 am ET
In the past million years, the Earth experienced a major ice age about every 100,000 years. Scientists have several theories to explain this glacial cycle, but new research suggests the primary driving force is all in how the planet leans.
The Earth's rotation axis is not perpendicular to the plane in which it orbits the Sun. It's offset by 23.5 degrees. This tilt, or obliquity, explains why we have seasons and why places above the Arctic Circle have 24-hour darkness in winter and constant sunlight in the summer.
But the angle is not constant - it is currently decreasing from a maximum of 24 degrees towards a minimum of 22.5 degrees. This variation goes in a 40,000-year cycle.
Earth's Wobble ...
... is like the precession of a spinning top.
Peter Huybers of Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution and Carl Wunsch of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology have compared the timing of the tilt variations with that of the last seven ice ages. They found that the ends of those periods - called glacial terminations - corresponded to times of greatest tilt.
"The apparent reason for this is that the annual average sunlight in the higher latitudes is greater when the tilt is at maximum," Huybers told LiveScience in a telephone interview.
More sunlight seasonally hitting polar regions would help to melt the ice sheets. This tilt effect seems to explain why ice ages came more quickly - every 40,000 years, just like the tilt variations -- between two and one million years ago.
"Obliquity clearly was important at one point," Huybers said....
[ link to www.space.com]
[ link to www.livescience.com]
All this has WHAT to do with people claiming they see the Sun rising in the wrong place? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318980
6/17/2008 3:58 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
My "Polaris in place" experiment is just as testable as your "Sun rise/set times" one, if I include unnecessary (in this instance) details such as checking to see if the ecliptic has shifted. The point of this whole thing is to offer a way for the uninitiated to see if the sky has shifted abnormally. They don't trust the tables you are using to check your times and locations. Get it? Quoting: Menow 453087
No I'm afraid I don't get it. Your 'Polaris in place experiment' as already discussed (and you appeared to agree with this), tells us nothing about the angle of the axis of rotation to the ecliptic. My 'measure the height of the Sun above your local horizon at Noon on the Solstice' experiment on the other hand, allows you to directly measure the axial tilt of the Earth using no external tables at all. Get it? Now shall we move on. |
| Menow
User ID: 453087
6/17/2008 4:27 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
My "Polaris in place" experiment is just as testable as your "Sun rise/set times" one, if I include unnecessary (in this instance) details such as checking to see if the ecliptic has shifted. The point of this whole thing is to offer a way for the uninitiated to see if the sky has shifted abnormally. They don't trust the tables you are using to check your times and locations. Get it?
No I'm afraid I don't get it. Your 'Polaris in place experiment' as already discussed (and you appeared to agree with this), tells us nothing about the angle of the axis of rotation to the ecliptic. My 'measure the height of the Sun above your local horizon at Noon on the Solstice' experiment on the other hand, allows you to directly measure the axial tilt of the Earth using no external tables at all. Get it? Now shall we move on. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318980
That is different. I thought you were insisting that they should check sunrise times and locations. As long as you don't have them use tables, your suggestion should be fine. My bad. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 222823
6/17/2008 4:30 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Danm, and I was hoping the pole shift wouldn't happen.
Oh well, gonna stock up on rice and beans now. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 443487
Peanutbutter, man, must have peanutbutter! |
| Mexican
User ID: 450655
6/18/2008 4:54 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
At first, I simply couldn't believe that ANYONE could be this stupid, I figured they were just doing this to stir shit up. Unfortunately, after 30 pages of this idiocy, I am forced to conclude that YOU FUCKING RETARDS ARE REALLY THIS STUPID. "My toy rocket launcher is not aligned with the chalk mark I scribbled on the patio! Obviously, the Earth is falling out of it's orbit! Strangely enough, the ocean is not boiling away or freezing up....but I KNOW IT"S TRUE! Look at my toy rocket!"
How the fuck do people this stupid manage to even feed and clothe themselves? Or does Bellevue Psych Ward have internet access? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 9251
6/18/2008 5:03 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
At first, I simply couldn't believe that ANYONE could be this stupid, I figured they were just doing this to stir shit up. Unfortunately, after 30 pages of this idiocy, I am forced to conclude that YOU FUCKING RETARDS ARE REALLY THIS STUPID. "My toy rocket launcher is not aligned with the chalk mark I scribbled on the patio! Obviously, the Earth is falling out of it's orbit! Strangely enough, the ocean is not boiling away or freezing up....but I KNOW IT"S TRUE! Look at my toy rocket!"
How the fuck do people this stupid manage to even feed and clothe themselves? Or does Bellevue Psych Ward have internet access? Quoting: Mexican 450655
You have to admit that they are pretty funny...
 |
| Tmad1
User ID: 342643
6/18/2008 5:27 PM
 | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
At first, I simply couldn't believe that ANYONE could be this stupid, I figured they were just doing this to stir shit up. Unfortunately, after 30 pages of this idiocy, I am forced to conclude that YOU FUCKING RETARDS ARE REALLY THIS STUPID. "My toy rocket launcher is not aligned with the chalk mark I scribbled on the patio! Obviously, the Earth is falling out of it's orbit! Strangely enough, the ocean is not boiling away or freezing up....but I KNOW IT"S TRUE! Look at my toy rocket!"
How the fuck do people this stupid manage to even feed and clothe themselves? Or does Bellevue Psych Ward have internet access? Quoting: Mexican 450655
BEST POST YET.
 |
| Mister Obvious  
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 435757
6/18/2008 5:32 PM
 | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Looks like OP tard deleted the subject line of her thread, as if that changes the fact that she posted it.
Nice try.
You can't change what's already out there.
Instead of changing the fucking subject line, why don't you ask a mod to delete it?
Do us all a favor. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 341677
6/18/2008 5:37 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
 |
| HardTruth
User ID: 423076
6/18/2008 5:43 PM
 | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Looks like OP tard deleted the subject line of her thread, as if that changes the fact that she posted it.
Nice try.
You can't change what's already out there.
Instead of changing the fucking subject line, why don't you ask a mod to delete it?
Do us all a favor. Quoting: Mister Obvious
How many AV's do I have to keep up with of yours?...LOL
They are all nice though?
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin.. I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com] |
| Mister Obvious
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 435757
6/18/2008 5:45 PM
| | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
How many AV's do I have to keep up with of yours?...LOL
They are all nice though? Quoting: HardTruth
Thank you!
I was trying them on til I found the one with the right mood.
Guns...
I found the perfect one to fit my attitude this time.
BTW, sorry being an ass on this thread, but really... changing the subject title is just lame. It's always gotten on my nerves and I don't think I'm alone in that.
 |
| HardTruth
User ID: 423076
6/18/2008 5:48 PM
| | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
How many AV's do I have to keep up with of yours?...LOL
They are all nice though?
Thank you!
I was trying them on til I found the one with the right mood.
Guns...
I found the perfect one to fit my attitude this time.
BTW, sorry being an ass on this thread, but really... changing the subject title is just lame. It's always gotten on my nerves and I don't think I'm alone in that.
Yes, deleting the subject title is a bit lame!!!
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin.. I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 326961
6/18/2008 5:48 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
I wait with baited breath....
(it's 'bated' breath, as in holding one's breath (a)bate )
No, my breath was definitely baited.... :-) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318980
It's bated breath, btw |
| Enaid
User ID: 310721
6/18/2008 5:54 PM
 | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
How many AV's do I have to keep up with of yours?...LOL
They are all nice though?
Thank you!
I was trying them on til I found the one with the right mood.
Guns...
I found the perfect one to fit my attitude this time.
BTW, sorry being an ass on this thread, but really... changing the subject title is just lame. It's always gotten on my nerves and I don't think I'm alone in that.
MO - Almost gun porn LOL Good AV. Love the attitude. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 357364
6/18/2008 6:01 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
At first, I simply couldn't believe that ANYONE could be this stupid, I figured they were just doing this to stir shit up. Unfortunately, after 30 pages of this idiocy, I am forced to conclude that YOU FUCKING RETARDS ARE REALLY THIS STUPID. "My toy rocket launcher is not aligned with the chalk mark I scribbled on the patio! Obviously, the Earth is falling out of it's orbit! Strangely enough, the ocean is not boiling away or freezing up....but I KNOW IT"S TRUE! Look at my toy rocket!"
How the fuck do people this stupid manage to even feed and clothe themselves? Or does Bellevue Psych Ward have internet access? Quoting: Mexican 450655
 |
| Mister Obvious
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 435757
6/18/2008 6:13 PM
| | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
MO - Almost gun porn LOL Good AV. Love the attitude. Quoting: Enaid
Thanks!!!
Gun porn.
That sounds awesome.
Did you see the thread about Charlton Heston's basement??
MY GOODNESS.
Now that's some delicious gunnery.
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
| Enaid
User ID: 310721
6/18/2008 6:20 PM
| | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
MO - Almost gun porn LOL Good AV. Love the attitude.
Thanks!!!
Gun porn.
That sounds awesome.
Did you see the thread about Charlton Heston's basement??
MY GOODNESS.
Now that's some delicious gunnery.
[ link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
A while back someone (Omega??) did a gun porn thread. Check it out.
Cool picts of basement. In a few days I might start a thread to gain info re - guns. |
| DrPostman
Forum Moderator
User ID: 51197
6/18/2008 7:44 PM
 | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
BTW, sorry being an ass on this thread, but really... changing the subject title is just lame. It's always gotten on my nerves and I don't think I'm alone in that.
Yes, deleting the subject title is a bit lame!!! Quoting: HardTruth
But it speaks volumes towards the voracity of the OP.
Some of you guys on this thread have been had.
This thread will get bumped on June 21st
"I've had two teenagers who were considering killing themselves, because they didn't want to
be around when the world ends. Two women in the last two weeks said they were contemplating
killing their children and themselves so they wouldn't have to suffer through the end of the world."
-- NASA Astrobiology Institute scientist David Morrison, on 2012 fears
Can't PM? Feel free to email me at DrPostman(at)gmail.com
Battlefield Heroes is now in Open Beta
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Want to know if a site is down, or if the problem is at your end? Go to:
[link to downforeveryoneorjustme.com] |
| Geogal
User ID: 373387
6/18/2008 8:58 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
MO - Almost gun porn LOL Good AV. Love the attitude.
Thanks!!!
Gun porn.
That sounds awesome.
Did you see the thread about Charlton Heston's basement??
MY GOODNESS.
Now that's some delicious gunnery.
[ link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
I've been enjoying watching them change daily, or a couple times a day, even! LOL
I like this one too!
Woman of white garment, foreign woman, earth-eating woman, taking and giving life, she is Pele
"ONCE IN HIS LIFE, EVERY MAN IS ENTITLED TO FALL MADLY IN LOVE WITH A GORGEOUS REDHEAD" - LUCILLE BALL |
| Geogal
User ID: 373387
6/18/2008 8:59 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
At first, I simply couldn't believe that ANYONE could be this stupid, I figured they were just doing this to stir shit up. Unfortunately, after 30 pages of this idiocy, I am forced to conclude that YOU FUCKING RETARDS ARE REALLY THIS STUPID. "My toy rocket launcher is not aligned with the chalk mark I scribbled on the patio! Obviously, the Earth is falling out of it's orbit! Strangely enough, the ocean is not boiling away or freezing up....but I KNOW IT"S TRUE! Look at my toy rocket!"
How the fuck do people this stupid manage to even feed and clothe themselves? Or does Bellevue Psych Ward have internet access?
BEST POST YET.
good new AV also!
LOL
Woman of white garment, foreign woman, earth-eating woman, taking and giving life, she is Pele
"ONCE IN HIS LIFE, EVERY MAN IS ENTITLED TO FALL MADLY IN LOVE WITH A GORGEOUS REDHEAD" - LUCILLE BALL |
| Geogal
User ID: 373387
6/18/2008 9:02 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
BTW, sorry being an ass on this thread, but really... changing the subject title is just lame. It's always gotten on my nerves and I don't think I'm alone in that.
Yes, deleting the subject title is a bit lame!!!
But it speaks volumes towards the voracity of the OP.
Some of you guys on this thread have been had.
This thread will get bumped on June 21st Quoting: DrPostman
Can we PIN it then? Oh please... oh please... oh please/....
That would jsut be TOO funny...
a blank PIN!!! On Solstice!
Woman of white garment, foreign woman, earth-eating woman, taking and giving life, she is Pele
"ONCE IN HIS LIFE, EVERY MAN IS ENTITLED TO FALL MADLY IN LOVE WITH A GORGEOUS REDHEAD" - LUCILLE BALL |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 9251
6/19/2008 6:53 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Only two more shopping days till the Druids laugh in OPie's face!!!
 |
| DrPostman
Forum Moderator
User ID: 51197
6/19/2008 8:30 AM
| | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Can we PIN it then? Oh please... oh please... oh please/....
That would jsut be TOO funny...
a blank PIN!!! On Solstice! Quoting: Geogal
Not a bad idea. PM me if I forget or get too busy.
"I've had two teenagers who were considering killing themselves, because they didn't want to
be around when the world ends. Two women in the last two weeks said they were contemplating
killing their children and themselves so they wouldn't have to suffer through the end of the world."
-- NASA Astrobiology Institute scientist David Morrison, on 2012 fears
Can't PM? Feel free to email me at DrPostman(at)gmail.com
Battlefield Heroes is now in Open Beta
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Want to know if a site is down, or if the problem is at your end? Go to:
[link to downforeveryoneorjustme.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 318980
6/19/2008 11:08 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
The thread that dare not speak its name...... |
| DrPostman
Forum Moderator
User ID: 51197
6/19/2008 6:28 PM
| | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
The thread that dare not speak its name...... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318980
I had to do it. Besides, it's a fun way to bump a thread
that the OP wants people to forget.
"I've had two teenagers who were considering killing themselves, because they didn't want to
be around when the world ends. Two women in the last two weeks said they were contemplating
killing their children and themselves so they wouldn't have to suffer through the end of the world."
-- NASA Astrobiology Institute scientist David Morrison, on 2012 fears
Can't PM? Feel free to email me at DrPostman(at)gmail.com
Battlefield Heroes is now in Open Beta
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Want to know if a site is down, or if the problem is at your end? Go to:
[link to downforeveryoneorjustme.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 373387
6/19/2008 11:26 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
 |
| | Page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 | |
|
