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| NeoFistOfTheGolgoNinja
User ID: 455638
6/21/2008 4:58 AM
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what sort of way is this to treat a paid registered member.
An absolute disgrace. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 455089
LOL
[link to www.youtube.com]
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.-- Thomas Jefferson |
| Nancy Lieder  
Forum Moderator
User ID: 455676
6/21/2008 7:31 AM
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ps I live in Fairbanks AK, used to live on the Kenai Peninsula just south of Anchorage and the Anchorage resident is right that there used to be at least a very deep dusk in the middle of even midsummer nights. Haven't been down that way for many years so I don't know about now. Here summer is definitely and always has been light all night (don't see stars from mid-May to early August), but the skies do seem more luminous, like something in the high atmosphere is scattering the light rays and we are getting more over-the-horizon 'backscatter'. . . this is especially noticeable in the wintertime. . .
Hard to tell if the sun is rising and setting where it 'should' as it changes almost daily anyway ! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 448232
Check the "India Face" graphic on this page
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
for an explanation. As part of the Figure 8 wobble the Earth has endured since early 2004, the N Pole tips slightly toward the Sun when high noon is over India. That would be your NIGHT in Alaska. More sunlight over the horizon for you.
Zetas RIGHT Again! And all the people who helped establish what the Figure 8 wobble was doing by taking exacting measurements of where the Sun rose and set. That's the way to do it folks. Make sure you have a N/S E/W reference point, like checking a survey or a street laid out exactly on this grid. Compass is too erratic, don't use. Get the date, time, location, aximute (360 around the horizon) and altitude and then check with a program like Skymap. THIS is how you nail this argument down, with the shrills and people too frightened to contemplate an Earth wobble. They will deny no matter what.
And the Solstice is no proof either. These special "days" have been assisted to look "real" so those who cannot handle the reality of what is coming don't go insane. And so the establishment itself does not panic and begin mowing people down in the street.
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
First they ignore you,
then they ridicule you,
then they fight you,
then you win. -Mahatma Gandhi. |
| Nancy Lieder
Forum Moderator
User ID: 455676
6/21/2008 7:45 AM
| | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
2 perfectly shot stonehedge pics from the heel stone would be good, but i can't seem to find any. all the pics i see have the camera in different spots. It hard to say for sure. Quoting: DarkStarCrashes 449594
Here's an example of "proof".
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
However, on times such as eclipses and stoltice, benign aliens DO indeed try to simulate the occurrence so as to reduce panic among those who ... are INSECURE.
They wrote this piece on that matter, the insecure, and denial on what is happening.
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
ZetaTalk: The Insecure
written Dec 5, 2004
Beyond the professional debunker, whose full or part time job is to haunt message boards or web sites in search of people discussing what the establishment wants to deny at present, there are those so in the grip of fear and insecurity that they attack the message for no other reason. The message is, in short, unthinkable. Life, for humans on Earth, is highly insecure in the best of times. Even with the best that modern medicine can provide, most illness is not curable and palliative measure only provided. Lightning can strike anytime, any place, and neither prayers or bribes make a difference. Meteors and fireballs from the sky are erratic, and despite man’s best efforts at prediction earthquakes strike without warning, dropping buildings and bridges. Then there are all the reassurances from employers and governments and insurers that pension funds, savings, home ownership and assets, all are solidly there and will be replaced should any event remove them. Yet employers go bankrupt, governments go bankrupt and change their rules or default on their promises, and insurance companies default. Loyalty from friends and family also cannot be relied upon solidly, as the divorce rate and domestic violence statistics show. Friends are supportive only while this friendship aligns with their life circumstances, and the friendship dropped when it becomes inconvenient. Thus, despite man’s best efforts to make himself secure, he is, in essence, standing naked in the cold rain, alone.
Enter Planet X and the ZetaTalk message that the world will turn upside down, experience earthquakes that will shatter cities everywhere, roll flood tides inland for hundreds of miles along coastlines everywhere, explode industrial complexes into a cesspool of chemical pollution, destroy the communication and transportation networks so that travel is on foot or impossible, remove the convenience of electricity and clean water supplied to the home and replace this with long dark nights and drinking water smelling like the neighbors sewage, suddenly stop the delivery of food stuffs to the local store with no replacement so that rats and weeds and rotting corpses become the only food available. For many, especially those in cities or whose lifestyle by choice or necessity has made them soft and dependent, this is what the message means. Unthinkable. There are no options that come readily to mind, for these individuals.
* If they are by nature strong and resourceful, they think about the steps to be taken in the event, and plot a plan, as there is always some plan that can be formulated. They may realize that the outcome, for themselves, is death, and become resigned and live their last days in the most meaningful manner possible.
* If they are by nature weak, clingy, and demanding, another turn is taken. They watch the viability of their pension funds and savings melt away as the USD drops and corporations go belly up. They see the weather erratic, the ferocity of storms on the rise, and watch movies like the Day After Tomorrow with fists in a ball, white knuckles. They would make shrill demands of someone, but God is not listening and the government certainly is not listening. Now what?
If a weak individual cannot succeed by demanding or clinging, there is only one option available for comfort - denial. They need not worry because it is not happening, all is normal. The weather is normal if one assumes massive climate cycles that stretch millions of years, at least this is what the TV is reporting. No one knows what causes these cycles, and any life threatening extreme is extrapolated out thousands of years hence, so no need to worry. The government propaganda is that the economy is on the rebound, jobs being created, and a firm hand at the helm. All evidence to the contrary is simply not absorbed, and if pushed to be acknowledged, is denounced in a shrill voice and slamming doors. These individuals entertain denial, in an increasingly shrill and angry manner, as the threats to their secure world increase. What does one do when they are being threatened? They consider themselves under attack, and respond accordingly. This proceeds along these lines, more rigid denial, more vicious attacks against the message, until the day reality breaks through and it can no longer be denied that something is amiss. At this point the denial changes to red faced demands for these weak individuals, hopping up and down and loudly demanding that someone reinstate their security and take care of them. If you have an individual in your neighborhood like this, move, before the pole shift. They won’t change.
First they ignore you,
then they ridicule you,
then they fight you,
then you win. -Mahatma Gandhi. |
| Nancy Lieder
Forum Moderator
User ID: 455676
6/21/2008 8:01 AM
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Wow, and how. I just checked close to sunset here and it's a full 45 degrees north of due west. The sun is widely shining in the North end of my house, something it never used to do.
This is nuts. Quoting: Saxon (777)
For Tuskaloosa (Alabama is the posters state) at 7:40 pm daylight savings time, setting sun should be at Azimuth 296 Altitude 2. What the poster observed was Azimuth 315! This is a 19 degree too far NORTH reading.
First they ignore you,
then they ridicule you,
then they fight you,
then you win. -Mahatma Gandhi. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 455121
6/21/2008 8:05 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Lets wait and see were it is in Dec. If it is straight out my bedroom window all is week. If it is north of my tree we all die |
| Nancy Lieder
Forum Moderator
User ID: 455676
6/21/2008 8:06 AM
| | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
As many of us know, in North America, the Sun sets further north during the summer. However, I must agree that the Sun is setting further north than I ever remember. I cannot say with certainty, but it sure does appear that way. More north than west last year. The sunsets are incredibly red too. More than I ever remember. And at the risk of attack, I do remenber the day the sun seemed to be in the wrong place one morning. I told people about it before I later heard others say the same thing on the internet. Coincidence? Maybe. Since I take chemtrails photos every morning for years now, you tend to know where the shade is and one morning was in the wrong place. Call me crazy if you want to.
I won't call you crazy before I give you the chance to explain how such a thing could physically happen, AND explain how it could happen, but not be noticed by the world's astronomers. Quoting: Menow 449281
Menow, on the payrole, is trying to pretent that assassinations don't happen, or that those who work for observatories and universities and get to use scope that can see UFOs et al don't have to sign national security agreements.
It is interesting that Harrington dispatched an appropriate telescope to Black Birch, New Zealand to get a visual confirmation, based on the data leading to the expectation that it would be below the ecliptic in the southern skies at this point in its orbit. On Harrington's early death the scope was immediately called back - as one observer noted, "almost before he was cold". ... Robert Harrington was trying to get a telescope operating in Australia to find Planet X when he died in an accident. Tom van Flandern worked closely with Harrington at the US Naval Observatory. Gary Neugebauer from the infamous Washington Post story is one of the biggest names in Infrared astronomy. He completed the first infrared survey of the sky in the 1960's.
First they ignore you,
then they ridicule you,
then they fight you,
then you win. -Mahatma Gandhi. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 329355
6/21/2008 8:09 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
2 perfectly shot stonehedge pics from the heel stone would be good, but i can't seem to find any. all the pics i see have the camera in different spots. It hard to say for sure.
Here's an example of "proof".
[ link to www.zetatalk.com]
However, on times such as eclipses and stoltice, benign aliens DO indeed try to simulate the occurrence so as to reduce panic among those who ... are INSECURE.
They wrote this piece on that matter, the insecure, and denial on what is happening.
[ link to www.zetatalk.com]
ZetaTalk: The Insecure
written Dec 5, 2004
Beyond the professional debunker, whose full or part time job is to haunt message boards or web sites in search of people discussing what the establishment wants to deny at present, there are those so in the grip of fear and insecurity that they attack the message for no other reason. The message is, in short, unthinkable. Life, for humans on Earth, is highly insecure in the best of times. Even with the best that modern medicine can provide, most illness is not curable and palliative measure only provided. Lightning can strike anytime, any place, and neither prayers or bribes make a difference. Meteors and fireballs from the sky are erratic, and despite man’s best efforts at prediction earthquakes strike without warning, dropping buildings and bridges. Then there are all the reassurances from employers and governments and insurers that pension funds, savings, home ownership and assets, all are solidly there and will be replaced should any event remove them. Yet employers go bankrupt, governments go bankrupt and change their rules or default on their promises, and insurance companies default. Loyalty from friends and family also cannot be relied upon solidly, as the divorce rate and domestic violence statistics show. Friends are supportive only while this friendship aligns with their life circumstances, and the friendship dropped when it becomes inconvenient. Thus, despite man’s best efforts to make himself secure, he is, in essence, standing naked in the cold rain, alone.
Enter Planet X and the ZetaTalk message that the world will turn upside down, experience earthquakes that will shatter cities everywhere, roll flood tides inland for hundreds of miles along coastlines everywhere, explode industrial complexes into a cesspool of chemical pollution, destroy the communication and transportation networks so that travel is on foot or impossible, remove the convenience of electricity and clean water supplied to the home and replace this with long dark nights and drinking water smelling like the neighbors sewage, suddenly stop the delivery of food stuffs to the local store with no replacement so that rats and weeds and rotting corpses become the only food available. For many, especially those in cities or whose lifestyle by choice or necessity has made them soft and dependent, this is what the message means. Unthinkable. There are no options that come readily to mind, for these individuals.
* If they are by nature strong and resourceful, they think about the steps to be taken in the event, and plot a plan, as there is always some plan that can be formulated. They may realize that the outcome, for themselves, is death, and become resigned and live their last days in the most meaningful manner possible.
* If they are by nature weak, clingy, and demanding, another turn is taken. They watch the viability of their pension funds and savings melt away as the USD drops and corporations go belly up. They see the weather erratic, the ferocity of storms on the rise, and watch movies like the Day After Tomorrow with fists in a ball, white knuckles. They would make shrill demands of someone, but God is not listening and the government certainly is not listening. Now what?
If a weak individual cannot succeed by demanding or clinging, there is only one option available for comfort - denial. They need not worry because it is not happening, all is normal. The weather is normal if one assumes massive climate cycles that stretch millions of years, at least this is what the TV is reporting. No one knows what causes these cycles, and any life threatening extreme is extrapolated out thousands of years hence, so no need to worry. The government propaganda is that the economy is on the rebound, jobs being created, and a firm hand at the helm. All evidence to the contrary is simply not absorbed, and if pushed to be acknowledged, is denounced in a shrill voice and slamming doors. These individuals entertain denial, in an increasingly shrill and angry manner, as the threats to their secure world increase. What does one do when they are being threatened? They consider themselves under attack, and respond accordingly. This proceeds along these lines, more rigid denial, more vicious attacks against the message, until the day reality breaks through and it can no longer be denied that something is amiss. At this point the denial changes to red faced demands for these weak individuals, hopping up and down and loudly demanding that someone reinstate their security and take care of them. If you have an individual in your neighborhood like this, move, before the pole shift. They won’t change.
Gee Nancy, sure sounds like the zetas share your exact same plight. This sounds more like a personal rant than some sort of illumination from some superior alien race. You'd call other people weak, but I guess self-awareness is, as always, optional. Where do you think your rotundness would be whence a disaster commences? God knows you'll never be able to save yourself.
I guess for those of us posters who are still allowed outside (eh), the sun is in the same place it's always been. |
| Ignatius J. Reilly
User ID: 329355
6/21/2008 8:16 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Oh, wait, this is like when the moon fell on its side in 2004, right?
[link to innersites.com] |
| amerbeercan cheek
User ID: 450704
6/21/2008 9:28 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
i concede that i don't get the crossed references to support of illegal natsy troops of killers in iraq and the picts of indian chicks who certainly do have supported the same troops of killers of their own people in the past
that being said the sun may choose the place he wants in the sky and get a life for what i care |
| Menow
User ID: 453087
6/21/2008 9:56 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
As many of us know, in North America, the Sun sets further north during the summer. However, I must agree that the Sun is setting further north than I ever remember. I cannot say with certainty, but it sure does appear that way. More north than west last year. The sunsets are incredibly red too. More than I ever remember. And at the risk of attack, I do remenber the day the sun seemed to be in the wrong place one morning. I told people about it before I later heard others say the same thing on the internet. Coincidence? Maybe. Since I take chemtrails photos every morning for years now, you tend to know where the shade is and one morning was in the wrong place. Call me crazy if you want to.
I won't call you crazy before I give you the chance to explain how such a thing could physically happen, AND explain how it could happen, but not be noticed by the world's astronomers.
Menow, on the payrole, is trying to pretent that assassinations don't happen, or that those who work for observatories and universities and get to use scope that can see UFOs et al don't have to sign national security agreements.
It is interesting that Harrington dispatched an appropriate telescope to Black Birch, New Zealand to get a visual confirmation, based on the data leading to the expectation that it would be below the ecliptic in the southern skies at this point in its orbit. On Harrington's early death the scope was immediately called back - as one observer noted, "almost before he was cold". ... Robert Harrington was trying to get a telescope operating in Australia to find Planet X when he died in an accident. Tom van Flandern worked closely with Harrington at the US Naval Observatory. Gary Neugebauer from the infamous Washington Post story is one of the biggest names in Infrared astronomy. He completed the first infrared survey of the sky in the 1960's. Quoting: Nancy Lieder
Nancy Lieder, a nut, is trying to pretend that all astronomers in the entire world can be controlled and that only universities and government observatories are able to see things in the sky. |
| Menow
User ID: 453087
6/21/2008 10:07 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Nancy's pathetic and desparate claim that any time her Earth-wobble claim is proven wrong, it is only a "trick".
Nancy, there are NO "special days" when the Sun is where it belongs. Anyone taking careful observations will find the Sun to be exactly where it belongs any day of the year. Go to any astronomy club and ask for help. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 455743
6/21/2008 11:13 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
'Hunny.. did you remember too turn off the oven?' |
| SixEyedcheeseball
User ID: 455739
6/21/2008 11:22 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
2 perfectly shot stonehedge pics from the heel stone would be good, but i can't seem to find any. all the pics i see have the camera in different spots. It hard to say for sure.
Here's an example of "proof".
[ link to www.zetatalk.com]
However, on times such as eclipses and stoltice, benign aliens DO indeed try to simulate the occurrence so as to reduce panic among those who ... are INSECURE.
They wrote this piece on that matter, the insecure, and denial on what is happening.
[ link to www.zetatalk.com]
ZetaTalk: The Insecure
written Dec 5, 2004
Beyond the professional debunker, whose full or part time job is to haunt message boards or web sites in search of people discussing what the establishment wants to deny at present, there are those so in the grip of fear and insecurity that they attack the message for no other reason. The message is, in short, unthinkable. Life, for humans on Earth, is highly insecure in the best of times. Even with the best that modern medicine can provide, most illness is not curable and palliative measure only provided. Lightning can strike anytime, any place, and neither prayers or bribes make a difference. Meteors and fireballs from the sky are erratic, and despite man’s best efforts at prediction earthquakes strike without warning, dropping buildings and bridges. Then there are all the reassurances from employers and governments and insurers that pension funds, savings, home ownership and assets, all are solidly there and will be replaced should any event remove them. Yet employers go bankrupt, governments go bankrupt and change their rules or default on their promises, and insurance companies default. Loyalty from friends and family also cannot be relied upon solidly, as the divorce rate and domestic violence statistics show. Friends are supportive only while this friendship aligns with their life circumstances, and the friendship dropped when it becomes inconvenient. Thus, despite man’s best efforts to make himself secure, he is, in essence, standing naked in the cold rain, alone.
Enter Planet X and the ZetaTalk message that the world will turn upside down, experience earthquakes that will shatter cities everywhere, roll flood tides inland for hundreds of miles along coastlines everywhere, explode industrial complexes into a cesspool of chemical pollution, destroy the communication and transportation networks so that travel is on foot or impossible, remove the convenience of electricity and clean water supplied to the home and replace this with long dark nights and drinking water smelling like the neighbors sewage, suddenly stop the delivery of food stuffs to the local store with no replacement so that rats and weeds and rotting corpses become the only food available. For many, especially those in cities or whose lifestyle by choice or necessity has made them soft and dependent, this is what the message means. Unthinkable. There are no options that come readily to mind, for these individuals.
* If they are by nature strong and resourceful, they think about the steps to be taken in the event, and plot a plan, as there is always some plan that can be formulated. They may realize that the outcome, for themselves, is death, and become resigned and live their last days in the most meaningful manner possible.
* If they are by nature weak, clingy, and demanding, another turn is taken. They watch the viability of their pension funds and savings melt away as the USD drops and corporations go belly up. They see the weather erratic, the ferocity of storms on the rise, and watch movies like the Day After Tomorrow with fists in a ball, white knuckles. They would make shrill demands of someone, but God is not listening and the government certainly is not listening. Now what?
If a weak individual cannot succeed by demanding or clinging, there is only one option available for comfort - denial. They need not worry because it is not happening, all is normal. The weather is normal if one assumes massive climate cycles that stretch millions of years, at least this is what the TV is reporting. No one knows what causes these cycles, and any life threatening extreme is extrapolated out thousands of years hence, so no need to worry. The government propaganda is that the economy is on the rebound, jobs being created, and a firm hand at the helm. All evidence to the contrary is simply not absorbed, and if pushed to be acknowledged, is denounced in a shrill voice and slamming doors. These individuals entertain denial, in an increasingly shrill and angry manner, as the threats to their secure world increase. What does one do when they are being threatened? They consider themselves under attack, and respond accordingly. This proceeds along these lines, more rigid denial, more vicious attacks against the message, until the day reality breaks through and it can no longer be denied that something is amiss. At this point the denial changes to red faced demands for these weak individuals, hopping up and down and loudly demanding that someone reinstate their security and take care of them. If you have an individual in your neighborhood like this, move, before the pole shift. They won’t change.
 Hi nice see your still at it.
Don't do this Naked. |
| Halcyon Dayz
User ID: 434868
6/21/2008 1:01 PM
 | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
What?
There are professional debunkers?
Were do I sign on for that?
It's every man's dream to turn a hobby into a living.
An idea is not responsible for the people who believe in it. - Don Marquis
To defy the authority of empirical evidence is to disqualify oneself as someone worthy of critical engagement in a dialogue. - Tenzin Gyatso
Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem - William of Ockham
The truth maybe out there, but lies are inside your head - Terry Pratchett
HALCYON DAYS STOP BEING A DIPSHIT ALL YOUR LIFE YOU MORON - Anonymous Coward |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 455099
6/21/2008 1:23 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Where I am, the Sun seems to be stuck in the on position almost directly overhead. It's been there for three weeks now. Sun 24 hrs a day. It takes a lot of water to keep the lawn from drying out, the water bill for this month is going to be atrocious.
BTW, I'm very near Sithonius Lacus. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 129376
Lush green lawns in arid climates are like so pre-millenial self absorbent. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 445897
6/21/2008 1:56 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Where I am, the Sun seems to be stuck in the on position almost directly overhead. It's been there for three weeks now. Sun 24 hrs a day. It takes a lot of water to keep the lawn from drying out, the water bill for this month is going to be atrocious.
BTW, I'm very near Sithonius Lacus.
Lush green lawns in arid climates are like so pre-millenial self absorbent. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 455099
Yeah, the sun really does seem hotter through that chemical cloud they spray nowadays. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 129376
6/21/2008 1:57 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Where I am, the Sun seems to be stuck in the on position almost directly overhead. It's been there for three weeks now. Sun 24 hrs a day. It takes a lot of water to keep the lawn from drying out, the water bill for this month is going to be atrocious.
BTW, I'm very near Sithonius Lacus.
Lush green lawns in arid climates are like so pre-millenial self absorbent. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 455099
We Sithonius Lacusons like to practice golf on grass, not dirt. Who said it's an arid climate here ? |
| Tmad1
User ID: 342643
6/21/2008 2:02 PM
 | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
As many of us know, in North America, the Sun sets further north during the summer. However, I must agree that the Sun is setting further north than I ever remember. I cannot say with certainty, but it sure does appear that way. More north than west last year. The sunsets are incredibly red too. More than I ever remember. And at the risk of attack, I do remenber the day the sun seemed to be in the wrong place one morning. I told people about it before I later heard others say the same thing on the internet. Coincidence? Maybe. Since I take chemtrails photos every morning for years now, you tend to know where the shade is and one morning was in the wrong place. Call me crazy if you want to.
I won't call you crazy before I give you the chance to explain how such a thing could physically happen, AND explain how it could happen, but not be noticed by the world's astronomers.
Menow, on the payrole, is trying to pretent that assassinations don't happen, or that those who work for observatories and universities and get to use scope that can see UFOs et al don't have to sign national security agreements.
It is interesting that Harrington dispatched an appropriate telescope to Black Birch, New Zealand to get a visual confirmation, based on the data leading to the expectation that it would be below the ecliptic in the southern skies at this point in its orbit. On Harrington's early death the scope was immediately called back - as one observer noted, "almost before he was cold". ... Robert Harrington was trying to get a telescope operating in Australia to find Planet X when he died in an accident. Tom van Flandern worked closely with Harrington at the US Naval Observatory. Gary Neugebauer from the infamous Washington Post story is one of the biggest names in Infrared astronomy. He completed the first infrared survey of the sky in the 1960's. Quoting: Nancy Lieder
Tell us all again just how Harrington died. Since when is getting cancer a accident?
Harrington died of esophageal cancer in 1993.
About Harrington and PX
[link to www.planet-x.150m.com] |
| SnakeAirlines
User ID: 9251
6/21/2008 4:44 PM
 | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
What?
There are professional debunkers?
Were do I sign on for that?
It's every man's dream to turn a hobby into a living.
The bastards won't tell me where to sign up either!!!
I have come here to chew bubblegum, and kick ass... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 456285
6/22/2008 1:37 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
What?
There are professional debunkers?
Were do I sign on for that?
It's every man's dream to turn a hobby into a living.
It's possible to pick up a few bucks doing what you do already
Jobs for shills:
The US's Internet Advocacy Center. ... The paper has a professional staff of just 41, and 23000 "citizen reporters" who send in news reports on ...
www.bivingsreport.com/2006/ top-10-changers-of-the-world-of-internet-and-politics/
In a talk to fellow PR professionals, Jay Byrne, Monsanto's former Chief Internet .... 'The Bivings Group has developed 'Internet advocacy' campaigns...
Sorry but the link to above excerpt got killed.
From my archives, but links killed by those whom control google etc. :
>the Bivings Group, a PR company contracted to Monsanto, had invented fake citizens to post messages on internet listservers.< link and more below
MONSANTO'S WEB OF DECEIT
>"Anti-GMO (genetically modified organism) scientists and activists are increasingly having their credibility attacked through a campaign orchestrated by the biotech industry," investigative reporter Andy Rowell writes. In two in-depth stories Rowell and Jonathan Matthews, of Norfolk Genetic Information Network, examine the dirty tricks Monsanto has played to promote its gene altered food. Employing an international PR firm called the Bivings Group who specialize in "internet advocacy," Monsanto has trashed peer-reviewed scientific research to undermine and manipulate the scientific debate on genetic engineering.<
source:
Center for Media & Democracy
>This column showed how the Bivings Group, a PR company contracted to Monsanto, had invented fake citizens to post messages on internet listservers. These phantoms had launched a campaign to force Nature magazine to retract a paper it had published, alleging that native corn in Mexico had been contaminated with GM pollen. But this, it now seems, is just one of hundreds of critical interventions with which PR companies hired by big business have secretly guided the biotech debate over the past few years.
While I was writing the last piece, Bivings sent me an email fiercely denying that it had anything to do with the fake correspondents "Mary Murphy" and "Andura Smetacek", who started the smear campaign against the Nature paper. Last week I checked the email's technical properties. They contained the identity tag "bw6.bivwood.com". The message came from the same computer terminal that "Mary Murphy" has used. New research coordinated by the campaigner Jonathan Matthews appears to have unmasked the fake persuaders: "Mary Murphy" is being posted by a Bivings web designer, writing from both the office and his home computer in Hyattsville, Maryland; while "Andura Smetacek" appears to be the company's chief internet marketer. Not long ago, the website slashdot.com organised a competition for hackers: if they could successfully break into a particular server, they got to keep it. Several experienced hackers tested their skills. One of them was one using a computer identified as bw6.bivwood.com.
Though someone in the Bivings office appears to possess hacking skills, there is no evidence that Bivings has ever made use of them. But other biotech lobbyists do appear to have launched hacker attacks. Just before the paper in Nature was publicly challenged, the server hosting the accounts used by its authors was disabled by a particularly effective attack which crippled their capacity to fight back. The culprit has yet to be identified. Bivings is the secret author of several of the websites and bogus citizens' movements which have been coordinating campaigns against environmentalists.
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>Bivings is just one of several public relations agencies secretly building a parallel world on the web. Another US company, Berman & Co, runs a fake public interest site called ActivistCash.com, which seeks to persuade the foundations giving money to campaigners to desist. Berman also runs the "Centre for Consumer Freedom", which looks like a citizens' group but lobbies against smoking bans, alcohol restrictions and health warnings on behalf of tobacco, drinks and fast food companies. The marketing firm Nichols Dezenhall set up a site called StopEcoViolence, another "citizens' initiative", demonising activists. In March, Nichols Dezenhall linked up with Prakash's collaborator, the Competitive Enterprise Institute, to sponsor a conference for journalists and corporate executives on "eco-extremism".
What is fascinating about these websites, fake groups and phantom citizens is that they have either smelted or honed all the key weapons currently used by the world's biotech enthusiasts: the conflation of activists with terrorists, the attempts to undermine hostile research, the ever more nuanced claims that those who resist GM crops are anti-science and opposed to the interests of the poor. The hatred directed at activists over the past few years is, in other words, nothing of the kind. We have been confronted, in truth, by the crafted response of an industry without emotional attachment.
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>30 PR firms are jumping on the online bandwagon,<
Of course there are always the thousands of zealots who volunteer their time and effort:
>GOP Team Leader Recruits Nearly 2,000
New Activists in First 2 Weeks<
>April 8, 2002 - WASHINGTON, DC - The Republican National Committee, with the technological expertise of The Bivings Group, has launched a new Internet program<
GOP Going 'Amway' to Spread Agenda
"The GOP has launched an Internet-based campaign that includes a points-for-products system to spread its agenda throughout the country."
"The Web site -- www.gopteamleader.com -- features interactive pages with links to radio and television stations, and partisan talking points that users can personalize and e-mail directly to Democrats in Washington and in their state."
"The site also features a data-sharing "Got Info?" page where "leaders share intelligence with the GOP, acting as our 'eyes-and-ears' on the ground."
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Notice: RNC rewards Team leaders with gifts.
Example is my nice teak director's chair, which I got in 1992 |
| Anonymous Coward
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6/23/2008 7:13 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Don't let this die... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 453420
6/23/2008 9:18 AM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Don't let this die... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9251
Why not? It's bullshit. The sun is exactly where it should be, as proven on the Solstice. |
| DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 456836
6/23/2008 12:03 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
OK, where are the current solistice pics proving all is well? |
| DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 456836
6/23/2008 12:34 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
All the haters in here promised this would all be over on the summer solstice, so where is the photographic proof? |
| DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 456836
6/23/2008 12:44 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Don't let this die...
Why not? It's bullshit. The sun is exactly where it should be, as proven on the Solstice. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 453420
You may be right, but show us the visual proof. Hearsay is not evidence. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 9251
6/23/2008 12:50 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Don't let this die...
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Why not? It's bullshit. The sun is exactly where it should be, as proven on the Solstice. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 453420
Because it makes the OP look like the complete nutter that they are...
duh |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 9251
6/23/2008 12:52 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
See?
DumbStarCrucified is still at it insisting that easily proven facts are wrong because no one will show her a 'picture'...
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 456878
6/23/2008 1:16 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Don't let this die...
Why not? It's bullshit. The sun is exactly where it should be, as proven on the Solstice.
You may be right, but show us the visual proof. Hearsay is not evidence. Quoting: DarkStarCrashes 456836
Did you not see the other thread about doing the measurements?
The OP of that post gave directions on how to do the measurements did you do them?
It seems you are the sort that any amount of "PROOF" is going to be convincing unless you see it yourself. So did you do the test?
Why would someone need to prove to you everything is alright why don't you convince us it's not!
The last I saw on the other thread was 2-1 everything is normal. The one decenter would not reply as to how and when the measurements were made |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 453420
6/23/2008 1:17 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Don't let this die...
Why not? It's bullshit. The sun is exactly where it should be, as proven on the Solstice.
You may be right, but show us the visual proof. Hearsay is not evidence. Quoting: DarkStarCrashes 456836
[link to www.cbsnews.com]
At Stonehenge, sunrise was clouded out, but what could be seen was that it rose in the right place.
[link to www.allheadlinenews.com]
[link to www.ncbuy.com]
[link to www.business24-7.ae]
From Medicine Wheel, Wyoming...
[link to www.orionmagazine.org]
"WHEN THE SUN FIRST SLIDES above the horizon I see the alignment, as if the spoke were a narrow cobbled pathway leading into the crescent of light. Then the glare becomes far too intense to continue close scrutiny, and as the sun lifts, already inscribing its arc toward the southeast before it’s fully cleared the ridge, the spokes of the wheel stand out in exaggerated relief. The visitors—about twenty of us—look at one another, some smiling."
Conversely, with dozens of ancient monuments around the world, each with their own Solstice celebrations, can you find ONE single article that says that the sun DIDN'T rise in the right place? |
| DarkStarCrashes
User ID: 456836
6/23/2008 1:26 PM | | Re: I've been through the desert on a thread with no name | Quote |
Don't let this die...
Why not? It's bullshit. The sun is exactly where it should be, as proven on the Solstice.
You may be right, but show us the visual proof. Hearsay is not evidence.
[ link to www.cbsnews.com]
At Stonehenge, sunrise was clouded out, but what could be seen was that it rose in the right place.
[ link to www.allheadlinenews.com]
[ link to www.ncbuy.com]
[ link to www.business24-7.ae]
From Medicine Wheel, Wyoming...
[ link to www.orionmagazine.org]
"WHEN THE SUN FIRST SLIDES above the horizon I see the alignment, as if the spoke were a narrow cobbled pathway leading into the crescent of light. Then the glare becomes far too intense to continue close scrutiny, and as the sun lifts, already inscribing its arc toward the southeast before it’s fully cleared the ridge, the spokes of the wheel stand out in exaggerated relief. The visitors—about twenty of us—look at one another, some smiling."
Conversely, with dozens of ancient monuments around the world, each with their own Solstice celebrations, can you find ONE single article that says that the sun DIDN'T rise in the right place?
Thanks. a person with some pics and links and no hate speach. how refreshing |
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