I've been through the desert on a thread with no name

Well I don't know what's going on but when I moved into my house, the north side of my hen house never got any sun. I had to change all the(sun loving) plants I put there. I have had shade plants there for 6 yrs now, all was well. Last year,maybe the year before that, I noticed certain plants getting burned and and had to move some out. This year it is almost fully in the sun for about 6 or more hrs a day. I have the sun plants back in now. fwiw

What about ancient sites that continue to track the
Solstice accurately even today?

I won't call you crazy before I give you the chance to explain how such a thing could physically happen, AND explain how it could happen, but not be noticed by the world's astronomers.


I'm not saying it is true. I'm just saying I noticed these things too before i ever heard of it on the internet. Makes me wonder. If I had to bet my life on it, I'd say it's normal and because of the chemtrail spraying, people like me now pay more attn to the sky and are now noticing these things. I dont know. Surely some expert could resolve this. Where the proof it's not true? Someone should have this.

I won't call you crazy before I give you the chance to explain how such a thing could physically happen, AND explain how it could happen, but not be noticed by the world's astronomers.


we know the earth spins and has a wobble...chandlers wobble. think about a toy top that has a bad wobble but rights itself.

Or gravity from PX coming up from the south.

Did you know there 100's of comets crashing into the sun at the 8 o clock position? Sometimes 4 o clock position?

We find out were Science says the Sun should be and then go out and measure its position and see if it is noticeably North of that position.

A PAGE ON THE NET FROM A WAETHER MAN WHO LIES ABOUT CHEMTRAILS OR NASA WHO LIES ABOUT EVERYTHING?


A while back on this thread I offered to give the setting position of the Sun tonight according to Science for any location, only one of the posters on this thread took up the offer and had the curiosity to test out the OPs hypothesis for themselves.

YOUR AROGANCE IS NAUSIATING.

The problem seems to be that those who claim to be the most open minded are in fact the least willing to test their ideas against reality

YOU MAY BE RIGHT BUT I SEE NO PROOF FROM YOU. PROVE IT TO US ANSWER MAN.

awesome clip, but does not prove it if the earth still spins in 24 hrs

I don't think many of us are in the frame of mind to believe anything that the world teaches is real anymore.

Why should I believe some astronomer who sits on his ass

and "studies" the stars for progressive organizations like the Vatican....thats so middle ages. :)

I won't call you crazy before I give you the chance to explain how such a thing could physically happen, AND explain how it could happen, but not be noticed by the world's astronomers.


I'm not saying it is true. I'm just saying I noticed these things too before i ever heard of it on the internet. Makes me wonder. If I had to bet my life on it, I'd say it's normal and because of the chemtrail spraying, people like me now pay more attn to the sky and are now noticing these things. I dont know. Surely some expert could resolve this. Where the proof it's not true? Someone should have this.

I know what the Chandler Wobble is. It is not a "bad wobble". What is your point?

Or gravity from WHAT, coming up from WHERE? What makes you think such a thing exists?

No, I don't know that. What is your point?

Where is your explanation of how the Sun could be out of place and the world's astronomers not know about it?

You are coming dangerously close to being called "crazy" for good reasons.

We find out were Science says the Sun should be and then go out and measure its position and see if it is noticeably North of that position.

A PAGE ON THE NET FROM A WAETHER MAN WHO LIES ABOUT CHEMTRAILS OR NASA WHO LIES ABOUT EVERYTHING?


A while back on this thread I offered to give the setting position of the Sun tonight according to Science for any location, only one of the posters on this thread took up the offer and had the curiosity to test out the OPs hypothesis for themselves.

YOUR AROGANCE IS NAUSIATING.

The problem seems to be that those who claim to be the most open minded are in fact the least willing to test their ideas against reality

YOU MAY BE RIGHT BUT I SEE NO PROOF FROM YOU. PROVE IT TO US ANSWER MAN.

I don't think many of us are in the frame of mind to believe anything that the world teaches is real anymore.


The "world"? How about your local astronomy club? You think they are ALL liars?


Why should I believe some astronomer who sits on his ass



I don't know any astronomers who "sit on their ass". Where are you getting that, the bunker playbook?


and "studies" the stars for progressive organizations like the Vatican....thats so middle ages. :)


Huh? I don't know any astronomers who work for the Vatican. Why are being so obtuse?

I won't call you crazy before I give you the chance to explain how such a thing could physically happen, AND explain how it could happen, but not be noticed by the world's astronomers.


I'm not saying it is true. I'm just saying I noticed these things too before i ever heard of it on the internet. Makes me wonder. If I had to bet my life on it, I'd say it's normal and because of the chemtrail spraying, people like me now pay more attn to the sky and are now noticing these things. I dont know. Surely some expert could resolve this. Where the proof it's not true? Someone should have this.


The proof that the Sun is exactly where it belongs is given all the time. If you want somthing physical, just watch when the Sun hits all of the traditional marks on the Solstice.

Inuit seek answers to Arctic sun quirks
Last Updated: Friday, March 9, 2007 | 6:21 PM ET
CBC News

Some Inuit say they hope scientists coming to Nunavut for research as part of International Polar Year can help shed light on changes they're seeing in the sun — particularly, how it's been showing up more often in the usually always-dark winters.
For the past several years, residents in the High Arctic have observed that the winter dark season is ending earlier than usual, with the sun coming up at a different place than what people are used to seeing.
"The people [are] talking about earlier sunrise, more light in the dark season, instead of being more total darkness than before," Grise Fiord resident Larry Audlaluk said Thursday, adding that he has heard similar observations from people in other Far North communities.
"There are notices of more daylight earlier, and the dark season is not the real dark season that we used to know."
A bit further south, Igloolik Mayor Paul Quassa said hunters have noticed the same phenomenon.
"This year, the sun started coming up so fast that it's almost like April when it's mid-February," he said.
Both Audlaluk and Quassa were part of an International Polar Year planning workshop Thursday in Iqaluit.
Wayne Davidson, who is the resident meteorologist in Resolute Bay, said the likely cause of this "rising sun" mystery is a temperature difference between the very cold air over the snow and the air above, which has been warmer than usual.
Glaciologist Dr. Roy Koerner, with the Geological Survey of Canada, agreed, comparing it to sticking a fork into a glass of water: the fork appears to bend where it enters the water, he said.
"So you get the same effect: you get this bent effect. Except in this case, the sun, which is just below the horizon, looks as if it's above the horizon, just a bit of it," he said.
Both Koerner and Davidson said they believe a warming climate is responsible. They said they hope Inuit and scientists working during International Polar Year can work together on more in-depth analysis of the observations.

While I understand those nice scientists were giving what they thought were intelligent answers, i.e. "the bending light effect".


And you feel their answers were not intelligent?

Yes, from their standpoint, they were.


They fail to take into consideration that these people use the sun to navigate, tell time, and plan their year. They truly live with the sun each and every day.


They attempted to explain what they thought was physically taking place. No amount of further anecdotal reports are going to change the approach they took. The alternative explanation that the Sun is ACTUALLY in the wrong place is quite unlikely.

Anectotal evidence, while often discarded by hard scientists, at least leaves the door open for other explainations - life isn't black and white as hard science would like you to believe.

Unlike those who spend most of their lives indoors not paying too much attention to what it is doing. Those of us mathmatically challenged but spend loads of time in the garden, planting for shade and sun, are finding things aren't all that they seem.


That is totally vague, cryptic and meaningless.
Nonsense. Obviously your not a gardener so it would be vague and meaningless.

Even taking into consideration changes in plant size, surrounding plant growth, etc, it has been relatively easy to see that something is odd, something one can't quite put their finger on.


More of the same. What is your point?
If I knew the answer I would have said it. But when one plants a shade loving plant in the shade, it ought to be in the shade year after year. Especially when one tracks where the shade is at, before one plants the plant. When one spends years observing sun and shade in ones garden one gets to know ones garden's quirks and when things start to change, one has to wonder why a shade plant is not longer in its nice shady spot or a sun plant ends up in the shade. I have been gardening for over 16 years in the same place. I know my garden and I know the needs of my plants.

Whether the earth has changed its position slightly or the "bending light effect", something is different.

Well, you seem to be denouncing the "nice scientists" opinion about bending light, so that leaves the choice, from your post, of: "earth has changed its position slightly". Well, since Earth is changing position on a constant basis, can you be more specific?

I moved to Alaska 9 years ago. At that time, here in Anchorage, we would have about 2 hours of total darkness and an hour of twilight on each side of those 2 hours around summer solstice - the way it's been for as long as anyone can remember. I have clients whose yards and plants I take care of during the summer months. Up to 4 years ago everything seemed "normal". During the past 4 years I've had to deal with lots of dying plants due to being fried by the sun. In addition to that, the daylight during the summer months has been increasing at night. This summer, like last summer, there is no "night time"...no 2 hours of dark anymore. It stays light here for 24 hours now with just a 'hint' of twilight around 2am. Many people here have commented on the increase of daylight hours...including the native residents who have been observing the skies here for 10,000 years.

We find out were Science says the Sun should be and then go out and measure its position and see if it is noticeably North of that position.

A PAGE ON THE NET FROM A WAETHER MAN WHO LIES ABOUT CHEMTRAILS OR NASA WHO LIES ABOUT EVERYTHING?


A while back on this thread I offered to give the setting position of the Sun tonight according to Science for any location, only one of the posters on this thread took up the offer and had the curiosity to test out the OPs hypothesis for themselves.

YOUR AROGANCE IS NAUSIATING.

The problem seems to be that those who claim to be the most open minded are in fact the least willing to test their ideas against reality

YOU MAY BE RIGHT BUT I SEE NO PROOF FROM YOU. PROVE IT TO US ANSWER MAN.



????????


I am using a computer to calculate the position of the setting Sun. The computer contains an orbital model of the solar system and uses that to calculate the relative positions of Sun Moon etc as seen from Earth. What this has to do with Weather men, Chem Trails or NASA I do not not know.

I have offered your proof - give me your latitude and longitude and I will tell you where the sun will set tomorrow - you can then test this for your self by going outside and looking.

If I predict correctly either conventional science is right and the Sun is not further north than it should be, or I am lying and part of a global conspiracy of astronomers and amateur observers - take your pick. But do not accuse me of not offering proof, and please stop typing in caps it does not make you any more convincing

i dont think that is true.

And 9/11 truthers are crazy too right? There are bad wobbles. You know what a pole shift is? You dont know what you are talking about. Planet X, dark twin of the sun. The comets I mentioned make me think that plus other evidence. Play with the 8 and 4 o'clock thing for a while. Astromers lie about all kinds of crap.

I know what the Chandler Wobble is. It is not a "bad wobble". What is your point?

Or gravity from WHAT, coming up from WHERE? What makes you think such a thing exists?

No, I don't know that. What is your point?

Where is your explanation of how the Sun could be out of place and the world's astronomers not know about it?

You are coming dangerously close to being called "crazy" for good reasons.


And 9/11 truthers are crazy too right?

There are bad wobbles.

You know what a pole shift is?

You dont know what you are talking about.

Planet X, dark twin of the sun.

The comets I mentioned make me think that plus other evidence.

Play with the 8 and 4 o'clock thing for a while.

Astromers lie about all kinds of crap.

i dont think that is true.


Think all you want to, but every year people go to Stonehenge,
Chichen Itza, Chankillo in Peru, Tara in Ireland, Brodgar on
the Orkney Islands in Scotland, and Hovenweep National Monument
near the Utah Colorado border, just to name a few of the ancient
sites that really don't care what you think. They are real
and you can visit them if you can stand to challenge what you
think.

Or will you claim that they don't exist?





And 9/11 truthers are crazy too right? There are bad wobbles. You know what a pole shift is? You dont know what you are talking about. Planet X, dark twin of the sun. The comets I mentioned make me think that plus other evidence. Play with the 8 and 4 o'clock thing for a while. Astromers lie about all kinds of crap.


Yea, tens of thousands of amateur astronomers lie but Nancy
never does?

Riiiiiiight!

I don't think many of us are in the frame of mind to believe anything that the world teaches is real anymore.


The "world"? How about your local astronomy club? You think they are ALL liars?


Why should I believe some astronomer who sits on his ass



I don't know any astronomers who "sit on their ass". Where are you getting that, the bunker playbook?


and "studies" the stars for progressive organizations like the Vatican....thats so middle ages. :)


Huh? I don't know any astronomers who work for the Vatican. Why are being so obtuse?




Guess that's why

New Vatican Astronomer Appointed

VATICAN CITY, AUG. 20, 2006 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI appointed Jesuit Father José Gabriel Funes as the new director of the Vatican Astronomical Observatory, replacing Jesuit Father George Coyne.

Father Coyne, a native of Baltimore, Maryland, had been director of the observatory since 1978.

The Vatican press office announced the new director on Saturday.

Father Funes, 43, is a native of Cordoba, Argentina. He earned a degree in astronomy from the University of Cordoba.

He studied theology in Rome at the Gregorian University, and earned a doctorate in astronomy from the University of Padua in 2000. Father Funes has done considerable research on disk galaxies.

Pope Gregory XIII established the Vatican Astronomical Observatory to study the elements necessary to reform the liturgical calendar, which took place in 1582.

After a long period of inactivity, Pope Leo XIII founded the new Vatican Astronomical Observatory in 1891. The main headquarters of the Vatican Observatory is in Castel Gandolfo.

In 1981, when the Roman skies became too luminous for observation, the Vatican Observatory Research Group was founded in Mount Graham, Arizona. [link to www.zenit.org]

We find out were Science says the Sun should be and then go out and measure its position and see if it is noticeably North of that position.

A PAGE ON THE NET FROM A WAETHER MAN WHO LIES ABOUT CHEMTRAILS OR NASA WHO LIES ABOUT EVERYTHING?


A while back on this thread I offered to give the setting position of the Sun tonight according to Science for any location, only one of the posters on this thread took up the offer and had the curiosity to test out the OPs hypothesis for themselves.

YOUR AROGANCE IS NAUSIATING.

The problem seems to be that those who claim to be the most open minded are in fact the least willing to test their ideas against reality

YOU MAY BE RIGHT BUT I SEE NO PROOF FROM YOU. PROVE IT TO US ANSWER MAN.



????????


I am using a computer to calculate the position of the setting Sun. The computer contains an orbital model of the solar system and uses that to calculate the relative positions of Sun Moon etc as seen from Earth. What this has to do with Weather men, Chem Trails or NASA I do not not know.

I have offered your proof - give me your latitude and longitude and I will tell you where the sun will set tomorrow - you can then test this for your self by going outside and looking.

If I predict correctly either conventional science is right and the Sun is not further north than it should be, or I am lying and part of a global conspiracy of astronomers and amateur observers - take your pick. But do not accuse me of not offering proof, and please stop typing in caps it does not make you any more convincing

your computer is easily manipulated. Lets see better proof. No need to be a dick.

I know what the Chandler Wobble is. It is not a "bad wobble". What is your point?

Or gravity from WHAT, coming up from WHERE? What makes you think such a thing exists?

No, I don't know that. What is your point?

Where is your explanation of how the Sun could be out of place and the world's astronomers not know about it?

You are coming dangerously close to being called "crazy" for good reasons.


And 9/11 truthers are crazy too right?


Why are you changing the subject and diluting the discussion with irrelevant material?


There are bad wobbles.


What do you mean there ARE bad wobbles? You were talking about the Chandler Wobble and I said that is not a "bad" wobble. what is you point?


You know what a pole shift is?


There are different kinds of "poles".



You dont know what you are talking about.


Huh? Can you be more specific?


Planet X, dark twin of the sun.


That's a new on one me. Can you elaborate?


The comets I mentioned make me think that plus other evidence.


Make you think what? You are not being clear.


Play with the 8 and 4 o'clock thing for a while.


How would I go about doing that?


Astromers lie about all kinds of crap.


Really? ALL of them? All TENS OF THOUSANDS of them??

I won't call you crazy before I give you the chance to explain how such a thing could physically happen, AND explain how it could happen, but not be noticed by the world's astronomers.


I'm not saying it is true. I'm just saying I noticed these things too before i ever heard of it on the internet. Makes me wonder. If I had to bet my life on it, I'd say it's normal and because of the chemtrail spraying, people like me now pay more attn to the sky and are now noticing these things. I dont know. Surely some expert could resolve this. Where the proof it's not true? Someone should have this.


The proof that the Sun is exactly where it belongs is given all the time. If you want somthing physical, just watch when the Sun hits all of the traditional marks on the Solstice.

You may be right, but where can see see this for ourselves. Surely someone with some expertise could show some proof.

I never said anything about nancy. why would you mention her to me? There is no 100% proof that stonehedge is. Look it up. Show me some proof. you got lay opinion

Postman has a thread going right now about that. I'm sure he will give you all the references to solstice observations you want.

I won't call you crazy before I give you the chance to explain how such a thing could physically happen, AND explain how it could happen, but not be noticed by the world's astronomers.


I'm not saying it is true. I'm just saying I noticed these things too before i ever heard of it on the internet. Makes me wonder. If I had to bet my life on it, I'd say it's normal and because of the chemtrail spraying, people like me now pay more attn to the sky and are now noticing these things. I dont know. Surely some expert could resolve this. Where the proof it's not true? Someone should have this.


The proof that the Sun is exactly where it belongs is given all the time. If you want somthing physical, just watch when the Sun hits all of the traditional marks on the Solstice.

You may be right, but where can see see this for ourselves. Surely someone with some expertise could show some proof.


Postman has a thread going right now about that. I'm sure he will give you all the references to solstice observations you want.

Answer me this. How do you think such a thing as the Sun being out of place could be hidden from the world's astronomers, or how do you think they all could be kept quiet about it?

I don't know if this is all true or not, Surely, it can be easily tested.

I don't know if this is all true or not, Surely, it can be easily tested. We all know 911 was done by our government and there is a cover-up going on there is there not? Same with chemtrails. Cover-ups are the norm. There are a lot of dead scientists lately. You are not paying attn.