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How many vegetarians and/or Vegans do we have here? And why?
How long have you been a vegetarian and why did you choose to become one?
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I wish I had the willpoer to refrain from consuming meat products but I can't. I love rare flesh!
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I wish I had the willpoer to refrain from consuming meat products but I can't. I love rare flesh!
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Yeah, I love animals but I also love to eat certain ones. I'm such a bitch.
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Sometimes a semi-trailer full of chickens from the local chicken farm drives by, and I feel guilty.

They're all crammed into tiny cages. They can't even stand up.

I dunno. I feel bad about it.
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i am a vegetarian. i have been for 11 years. for me, it really came down to the suffering of an animal for my pleasure. i came to the conclusion that i had no right eating it if it could not kill it myself.
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i am a vegetarian. i have been for 11 years. for me, it really came down to the suffering of an animal for my pleasure. i came to the conclusion that i had no right eating it if it could not kill it myself.
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Wow. I did NOT know that. I am starting to have the same feelings...
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I've been Vegetarian for 14 years. Vegetarianism is one of the dictates of my spiritual practice/religion (Vaisnavism).

We recognize all the many good reasons not to eat meat, which include not taking on the karma of killing other living entities simply to satisfy the tongue, not killing cows who provide so much benefit to humanity, and the obvious health and economic benefits.

But more importantly, we're vegetarians because we only eat things that can first be offered to God, in devotion. And our scripture tells us -- Krsna (God) tells us -- what he likes to eat. So you don't offer God something He doesn't wish to eat, and God says that he does not condone the eating of meat. He doesn't accept it for Himself, and he doesn't condone killing animals/eating meat for humans, unless it is the only means of sustenance. And even then, the cow is never to be eaten.
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i am a vegetarian. i have been for 11 years. for me, it really came down to the suffering of an animal for my pleasure. i came to the conclusion that i had no right eating it if it could not kill it myself.
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Do you hunt?
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BTW, my husband has been vegetarian for 50 years. He's one of the healthiest big strapping guys you'd ever want to meet. No protein problems there!

And here's a group of webpages from our site on the topic:

[link to www.harekrsna.com]

These cover the different reasons for vegetarianism I just mentioned: karma vegetarianism, dharma vegetarianism, health benefits, etc. (See the links at bottom of page.)
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BTW, my husband has been vegetarian for 50 years. He's one of the healthiest big strapping guys you'd ever want to meet. No protein problems there!

And here's a group of webpages from our site on the topic:

[link to www.harekrsna.com]

These cover the different reasons for vegetarianism I just mentioned: karma vegetarianism, dharma vegetarianism, health benefits, etc. (See the links at bottom of page.)
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thanks for the info!
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I try being vegan/vegetarian. in America in some areas it might be hard since it's not common and there aren't really many products available for those who wish to be vegan/vegetarian.

if this was changed it would surely be easier to be vegetarian.

why did I choose to be vegetarian? I dont know I just want to be different.
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I've been vegetarian for 18 years.

When I gave up meat I lost weight and gained energy and better health. Meat is fattening!

I don't want to participate in the animal concentration camps and their slaughter. makes me sick to think of it.

Animal protein is not the best protein. Look it up.

hf
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I try being vegan/vegetarian. in America in some areas it might be hard since it's not common and there aren't really many products available for those who wish to be vegan/vegetarian.

if this was changed it would surely be easier to be vegetarian.

why did I choose to be vegetarian? I dont know I just want to be different.
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its just hard getting all the nutrition you need, being a vegetarian here in the town I live. I have to go to another town or travel a bit far just to find the right products. or the internet, which is costly.

the ONLY reason why I think veganism is costly, is because there isn't as much a market for it than meat eating diet, simply because there is no large enough 'official' demand for it.
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I raise rabbits and chickens for meat and eggs.
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I raise rabbits and chickens for meat and eggs.
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You raise them and then kill them? Do you let your kids watch? YUK.
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I raise rabbits and chickens for meat and eggs.



You raise them and then kill them? Do you let your kids watch? YUK.
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Yes, I raise them, then kill them.
I don't have kids, but 50 years ago, it was quite common for kids to know that meat didn't come prepackaged on styrofoam trays.
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I raise rabbits and chickens for meat and eggs.
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Alright...we can safely pigeon-hole you in the "rabbit eating non-vegetarian" category!
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its just hard getting all the nutrition you need, being a vegetarian here in the town I live. I have to go to another town or travel a bit far just to find the right products. or the internet, which is costly.

the ONLY reason why I think veganism is costly, is because there isn't as much a market for it than meat eating diet, simply because there is no large enough 'official' demand for it.
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Nope. It's not costly at all. For example, I can get four Morningstar Farms Burgers for under $3.00. How much does your package of ground beef - putrid, rotting ground up cattle that you have no idea how old it is. - cost?

It is easy and inexpensive to be vegetarian.
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You should read Russell Banks's "Darling." In it he describes how people who eat monkey flesh in Africa experience something of a euphoric high afterwards. Their eyes roll back in their head and they sit around for a bit, feeling the buzz. I suggest that if you weren't conditioned to eat meat, especially cow meat, from infancy onward, if you ate it you would get high. A similar phenomena is Russian mothers putting vodka in milk. The kids grow up tolerant and alcoholic.

Eating meat enforces the Luciferian pecking order. More here: [link to georgehaydukelives.blogspot.com]

Srila Prabhupada calls what you see going on now as slaughterhouse civilization, a system of exploitation on a grand scale that manifests eventually in the wars you see spreading around the world today. Built into the consumption of meat is the idea that you are above others. Sixty pounds of grain goes into every pound of beef and while you enjoy, here in the states, 99 cent burgers, 1B people the world over are either starving or suffering from hunger-related afflictions. The gross inequity represented and manifested in meat consumption sparks wars and thus the slaughterhouse your sick cows get forced into is a mirror reflection of the war-slaughterhouse that your children are forced into.

Give up meat.
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I raise rabbits and chickens for meat and eggs.



You raise them and then kill them? Do you let your kids watch? YUK.

Yes, I raise them, then kill them.
I don't have kids, but 50 years ago, it was quite common for kids to know that meat didn't come prepackaged on styrofoam trays.
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We even helped kill them when I was a little un. You appreciated your meal because of the hard work and time involved in preparing it. Times have changed very much.
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i am a vegetarian. i have been for 11 years. for me, it really came down to the suffering of an animal for my pleasure. i came to the conclusion that i had no right eating it if it could not kill it myself.

Do you hunt?
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no
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Hi, AC. Yours is a commonly heard problem. But there are solutions, and they're great solutions. I'm planning to start a thread soon under the "Recession Proof GLP" umbrella on vegetarianism. From a survival standpoint, it's a far better program than meat eating. Much less expensive, less maintenance, less asset-dependent, and so much more.

Once you learn a few basic cooking practices, like how to deal with beans/dal/legumes, how to make cheese/paneer from milk, how to use spices (not just tossing from bottle into pot), how to use grains and soybeans... get this down, and you're golden. Except for the fresh milk, evertything else you need is relatively cheap and stores very long term, and/or you can grow it in your backyard or on your patio. More on all this soon!



I try being vegan/vegetarian. in America in some areas it might be hard since it's not common and there aren't really many products available for those who wish to be vegan/vegetarian.

if this was changed it would surely be easier to be vegetarian.

why did I choose to be vegetarian? I dont know I just want to be different.
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vegan for 3 vegatarian for 5. people ate animals because they had to. we don't have to. it is so disgusting disrespectful and rediculous i can't even argue against it. Like giving credit to the creation myth or holocaust denial, you can't defend eating meat in america. other peoples in developing countries are trying to survive in a different way than our consumer blobs over here.
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You should read Russell Banks's "Darling." In it he describes how people who eat monkey flesh in Africa experience something of a euphoric high afterwards. Their eyes roll back in their head and they sit around for a bit, feeling the buzz. I suggest that if you weren't conditioned to eat meat, especially cow meat, from infancy onward, if you ate it you would get high. A similar phenomena is Russian mothers putting vodka in milk. The kids grow up tolerant and alcoholic.

Eating meat enforces the Luciferian pecking order. More here: [link to georgehaydukelives.blogspot.com]

Srila Prabhupada calls what you see going on now as slaughterhouse civilization, a system of exploitation on a grand scale that manifests eventually in the wars you see spreading around the world today. Built into the consumption of meat is the idea that you are above others. Sixty pounds of grain goes into every pound of beef and while you enjoy, here in the states, 99 cent burgers, 1B people the world over are either starving or suffering from hunger-related afflictions. The gross inequity represented and manifested in meat consumption sparks wars and thus the slaughterhouse your sick cows get forced into is a mirror reflection of the war-slaughterhouse that your children are forced into.

Give up meat.
 Quoting: George Hayduke 449411


Wow, that was a great post. I've never thought about that.
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Give up meat.
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LOL. Hell naw. Now I am going to be hunting for some animals meat that I can eat and get high off of. LOL. Maybe we should supplement the goats diet with marijuana...YEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAA!!!!
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49 REASONS
WHY I AM A VEGETARIAN


[Source: The Whole Earth Vegetarian Catalogue]

The Environment

1. Conservation of Fossil fuel. It takes 78 calories of fossil fuel to produce 1 calorie of beef protein; 35 calories for 1 calorie of pork; 22 calories for 1 of poultry; but just 1 calorie of fossil fuel for 1 calorie of soybeans. By eating plant foods instead of animal foods, I help conserve our non-renewable sources of energy.

2. Water Conservation. It takes 3 to 15 times as much water to produce animal protein as it does plant protein. As a vegetarian I contribute to water conservation.

3. Efficient use of grains. It takes up to 16 pounds of soybeans and grains to produce 1 lb. of beef and 3 to 6 lbs. to produce 1 lb of turkey & egg. By eating grain foods directly, I make the food supply more efficient & that contributes to the environment.

4. Soil conservation. When grains & legumes are used more efficiently, our precious topsoil is automatically made more efficient in its use. We use less agricultural resources to provide for the same number of people.

5. Saving our forests. Tropical forests in Brazil and other tropic regions are destroyed daily, in part, to create more acreage to raise livestock. By not supporting the meat industry, I directly reduce the demand to pillage these irreplaceable treasures of nature. Since the forest land "filters" our air supply and contains botanical sources for new medicines, this destruction is irreversable.

6. Asthetics. Decaying animal parts, whether in a freezer case or served in restaurants, can never be as asthetically pleasing to the senses as the same foods made from wholesome vegetable sources. Only habit can allow one not to perceive this: a change in diet makes this self evident.


Personal Health
7. No deficiencies. There is no nutrient necessary for optimal human functioning which cannot be obtained from plant food.

8. High fat plus cholesterol. Animal foods are higher in fat than most plant foods, particularly saturated fats. Plants do not contain cholesterol.

9. "Carb" deficient. Meat is deficient in carbohydrates, particularly the starches which are so essential to proper health.

10. Vitamin deficient. Except for the b-complex, meat is largely deficient in vitamins.

11. Agricultural Chemicals. Being higher on the food chain, animal foods contain far higher concentrations of agricultural chemicals than plant foods, including pesticides, herbicides, etc.

12. Exposure to livestock drugs. There are over 20,000 different drugs, including sterols, antibiotics, growth hormones and other veterinary drugs that are given to livestock animals. These drugs are consumed when animal foods are consumed. The dangers herein, in secondary consumption of antibiotics, are well documented.

13. Pathogenic Microorganisms. There are a host of bacteria and viruses, some quite dangerous, that are common to animals. When I eat meat, I eat the organisms in the meat. Micro-organisms are present in plant foods too, but their number and danger to human health is by no means comparable to that of those in meat.

14. Worms and other Parasites. Ditto on # 13!

15. Shelf life differential. Plant foods last longer than animal foods. Try this experiment: Leave out a head of lettuce and a pound of hamburger for 1 day, which will make you sick?

16. Organoleptic Indications of Pathenogens. Plant foods give tell-tale signs of "going bad". Ever hear of someone getting sick from "bad broccoli"?

17. Heart Disease. Meat eating increases the risk of heart disease, this country's #1 killer. The correlation is an epidemiological fact.

18. Cancer prevention. Of all the natural cancer prevention substances found: vitamin C, B-17, hydroquionenes, beta carotene, NDGA, - none has been found to be animal derived. Yet most meats, when cooked, produce an array of benzenes and other carcinogenic compounds. Cancer is infinitely easier to prevent than cure. Soybeans contain protease inhibitor, a powerful anticancer compound. You won't find it in useful quantities in animal based food.

19. Disease Inducing. The correlation between meat consumption and a wide range of degenerative diseases is well founded and includes.....

20. Osteoporosis

21. Kidney Stones and Gallstones

22. Diabetes

23. Multiple Sclerosis

24. Arthritis

25. Gum disease

26. Acne. Aggravated by animal food.

27. Obesity. Studies confirm that vegetarians tend to be thinner than meat eaters. Obesity is considered by doctors to be a disease within itself.

28. Intestinal Toxemia. The condition of the intestinal flora is critical to overall health. Animal products putrefy the colon.

29. Transit time. Wholesome food travels quickly through the "G.I" tract, leaving little time to spoil and incite disease within the body.

30. Fiber deficient. Fiber absorbs unwanted, excess fats; cleans the intestines; provides bulk and aids in peristalsis. Plant food is high in fiber content; meat, poultry and dairy products have none.

31. Body wastes. Food from animals contain their waste, including adrenaline, uric and lactic acid, etc., Before adding ketchup, the biggest contributors to the "flavor profile" of a hamburger are the leftover blood and urine.

32. Excess protein. The average American eats 400% of the RDA for protein. This causes excess nitrogen in the blood that creates a host of long-term health problems.

33. Longevity. To increase ones risk of getting degenerative disease means decreasing ones chance to live a naturally long healthy life. Huzas and other peoples with large centenarian populations maintain lifestyles that are relatively meat free.

34. Well Being. I just feel better since "giving up" meat and becoming vegetarian.


Personal Finances
35. Health care costs. Being healthier on a vegetarian diet means spending less on health care.

36. Food costs. Vegetarian foods tend to cost less than meat based items.


Ethics
37. Love of animals. I love animals as I love myself. I have no desire to kill them or cause them harm.

38. Stance against Factory Farming.. I cannot make a statement against factory farming if I myself eat animals.

39. Respect for Sentient Life. I show gratitude to my Creator(s?) by eating as low on the food chain as possible.

40. "Economic Vote". I show support of the meat industry and the way they operate when I purchase and use their products.

41. Small sacrifice The sacrifice I make is nothing compared to the animals, its life.

42. Natural diet. Our hands, teeth, feet, intestinal tract...even our body chemistry is that of an herbivore.

43. Reciprocity. If I partake in the slaughter of animals, I will have to repay my contribution to that act.

44. "Protecting the Temple". "Whatever affects the body has a corresponding effect on the mind and soul" (E.G. White)

45. I believe in nonviolence. Slaughter isn't.

46. World Peace. There can never be peace among men while men are declaring war on other highly developed life forms.

47. Clear conscience. I know what I'm doing is right. I feel good inside about my decision to remain "meatless"

48. Example. To live this way is to protect the underlying values of those around me.

49. Easy substitutes. There are vegetable based substitutes for every meat product imaginable.
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You raise them and then kill them? Do you let your kids watch? YUK.
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Why? If you are a meat eating family, it would be a good things for the kids to see. Like ET said, they don't come from styrofoam plates at the grocery store. They are animals, they had a life, and you are taking their life to eat it. You owe the animal at least that much if you're going to eat it. Appreciate it.
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I support vegans and vegetarians.. because when the time comes that we have to resort to cannibalism...

I like my meat to be grain fed.
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rabbit eggs are good tho
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I support vegans and vegetarians.. because when the time comes that we have to resort to cannibalism...

I like my meat to be grain fed.
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I prefer raw food vegan. Nothing like the grass fed humabeef.

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