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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 452725
6/16/2008 3:34 AM | | Re: We may all be space aliens: study | Quote |
Gotta say it Smerk....you are an idiot. |
| Smerk
User ID: 452684
6/16/2008 4:59 AM | | Re: We may all be space aliens: study | Quote |
Yea but everyone's an idiot. You, me, other idiots who read this, the only difference between you and me is that I do it with style. |
| illuminiedsage
User ID: 452757
6/16/2008 5:30 AM | | Re: We may all be space aliens: study | Quote |
whatever lies in the universe lies within ourselfs god and science co exist in perfect harmony although many would not agree due to their lack of faith and ignorance now i am not saying that someone who does not have faith in the creator is ignorant but a man who only believes what he can see touch feel percieve through through his senses is infact not living within reality aliens humans in aliens points of view we seem like aliens aleins humans same i dont see it so far fetched that alien energies organisims came to earth evolved into our human dna causing us to evolve faster and gain in our knowledge alien human same thing where beings with super intellegence and free will at the year of 2012 things are going too change their will be those who are ready and those who are not. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 452757
6/16/2008 5:31 AM | | Re: We may all be space aliens: study | Quote |
Yea but everyone's an idiot. You, me, other idiots who read this, the only difference between you and me is that I do it with style. Quoting: Smerk |
| Veritas
User ID: 452762
6/16/2008 6:03 AM | | Re: We may all be space aliens: study | Quote |
Genetic material carried on meteors or comets is a quite credible answer. That would represent a kind of interstellar terraforming.
"We are stardust...etc" as the song goes. So true. |
| Smerk
User ID: 452684
6/16/2008 6:06 AM | | Re: We may all be space aliens: study | Quote |
wont this ignorant worldly minded man shutup NO OFFENSE Quoting: Anonymous Coward 452757
See what I mean? exactly as idiot. This thread should be re-named "Idiotlike Productions", so as to avoid unnessicary confusion to other lesser-idiots. |
| Grade A human
User ID: 156750
6/16/2008 6:46 AM | | Re: We may all be space aliens: study | Quote |
The evidence so far indicates that our brand of human species, homosapians, began 400,000 to 250,000 years ago.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
How many of you think we were seeded here by aliens?
We were farm raised and put out to pasture on planet earth a long time ago.
They use our DNA as well as earth's resources for their own purposes.
What do you think? |
| Veritas
User ID: 452762
6/16/2008 7:01 AM | | Re: We may all be space aliens: study | Quote |
The evidence so far indicates that our brand of human species, homosapians, began 400,000 to 250,000 years ago.
[ link to en.wikipedia.org]
How many of you think we were seeded here by aliens?
We were farm raised and put out to pasture on planet earth a long time ago.
They use our DNA as well as earth's resources for their own purposes.
What do you think?
I am not absolutely sure, but others have been told similar things. For example, Linda Moulton Howe claims she was told that by the AirForce; that homo sapiens were the outcome of DNA splicing (propagation) of "already evolving hominids". Other theories exist under the general category of "intervention theory". Sitchen, Bramley, Hoyle are three other noted researches who came to a similar conclusion.
The scary thing is, "they" may still be carrying on the experiment. |
| Smerk
User ID: 452684
6/16/2008 7:13 AM | | Re: We may all be space aliens: study | Quote |
They use our DNA as well as earth's resources for their own purposes.
What do you think? Quoting: Grade A human 156750
What do I think? I think if that were the case then "they" would be in for a rude f'ing shock if they dared show their face around here again! a few megatons worth of plutonium should wipe the grin off their faces... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 452781
6/16/2008 7:22 AM | | Re: We may all be space aliens: study | Quote |
duh Quoting: Anonymous Coward 452314
ditto |
| BlueStraza
User ID: 450823
6/16/2008 8:04 AM | | Re: We may all be space aliens: study | Quote |
Your 'god' likes anal sex. how about that one? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 424156
6/16/2008 8:05 AM | | Re: We may all be space aliens: study | Quote |
 W-E-L-L!! That's better than their first story!! Apes??? Not saying I buy this story either. But Hey perhaps that's what folks mean when they say I have eye piercing eyes. Then again I have spent a lot of my life outside looking up at the stars in the sky!----But Come on Mr. Prdictor-- Fallen Angels??? That means letting go of my HALO!!!!  |
| Veritas
User ID: 452762
6/16/2008 8:09 AM | | Re: We may all be space aliens: study | Quote |
Rumour has it that "they" made an agreement with our government and military to provide technology in exchange for certain freedoms to carry on their "experiments". Looks like our leaders may have sold our souls for gain.
Not surprising is it? |
| DrPostman  
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User ID: 51197
6/16/2008 8:24 AM
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Your 'god' likes anal sex. how about that one? Quoting: BlueStraza 450823
God ass-raped you?
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 452786
6/16/2008 8:41 AM | | Re: We may all be space aliens: study | Quote |
Jesus dosen't like this kind of talk...you are going to hell. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 370475
Jesus is The One talking here bub. |
| DrPostman
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6/16/2008 8:51 AM
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Are we aliens?
Are we aliens? This question has come up due to a new result from studying meteorites, and is getting a lot of web-chatter. I figure I’d better get on this sooner rather than later!
First, the science. Then the chatter. Finally, the caution flag. :-)
The Science:
A fragment of the Murchison meteoriteSome meteorites have been found to contain some relatively complicated organic compounds, including molecules that are components of amino acids, the building blocks of life. For example, the Murchison meteorite, which fell on Australia in 1969, has been found to contain purines and pyrimidines, which are crucial to a large number of biological molecules like DNA, RNA, and ATP (adenosine triphosophate, a chemical our cells use for fuel).
Now, you have to be careful. A meteorite might have had these molecules in it before it slammed into the Earth, or it may have absorbed them from the ground after impact. One way to tell the difference is to look at isotopes of the elements. An element like carbon usually has 6 protons and 6 neutrons in its nucleus, but an isotope is when the number of neutrons is different. Carbon 13, as an example, has 6 protons and 7 neutrons in the nucleus (the number of protons determines the chemical properties, so carbon 13 is still like carbon, though a tad heavier).
The ratio of isotopes in a sample can be different for objects in space versus on Earth. Various process can change the ratio, so that’s a good way to find out if these molecules are native to a meteorite, or if it was contaminated after it fell.
OK, that’s the primer. Now the good part: scientists studying the Murchison meteorite have determined that the purines and pyrimidines — specifically, uracil and xanthine — have a non-terrestrial origin. In other words, the molecules in this meteorite, so crucial for life, were actually formed in outer space and fell to Earth.
That is very, very cool.
So this means that the some of the basic building blocks of life formed out in space, and came to Earth via meteorites and, presumably, comets.
Note that "some of". That’s important. Because…
The Chatter:
This news is being picked up all over the blogosphere and news sites, of course. We’re aliens! lots of people are saying. I’m quite sure the panspermia folks are having nerdgasms over this news as well.
Well, I hate to throw some cold H2O on all this, but I’m gonna. Just a little, a few drops. I think this is big news, and extremely awesome, but I want to make sure people don’t take it farther than the evidence suggests.
The Caution Flag:
Let’s take a step back and see what this new finding really tells us. First of all, I have little reason to doubt the results — of course as a scientist I reserve some skepticism, but let’s assume the team was on the money and the results are accurate. (I don’t have access to the journal paper, sadly, but I’ll dig around and see if anyone else does) (I have the paper now; thanks to Preston Hart and Stan Gunn!).
So the Murchison meteorite has native chemicals in it that are the basis for life. Obviously, since they were found at all, that means they survived entry into our atmosphere and impact. This in turn means that in the distant past, when the Earth was bombarded by such rocks, these chemicals were scattered across the planet, where they could be incorporated into ever more complex molecules, which eventually became life. And, well, us.
Well, cool. And even, wow! It’s been hypothesized for years, decades, that the basis of organic chemistry may have fallen to Earth from space. And now we know that it’s true.
However, that does not mean that all of these chemicals came from space! Transport yourself back a few billion years. The Earth has just suffered a several hundred million year bombardment period, getting the crap pummeled out of it by impacts. But that finally ended, and the crust started to cool. The trickle of impacts that continued — some of which contained the organic compounds — fall to Earth. If they fall into a hostile environment, they’ll get destroyed, of course? But if the environment is not hostile to them, then it’s also possible these compounds could have formed right here, on Earth! It may be easier for them to form in space, where conditions may have been better, but that doesn’t preclude them forming here.
So it’s still possible that even though these compounds fell to Earth after the Earth settled down, it’s also possible the majority of such compounds formed right here, in situ. The original molecules are long, long gone, so we cannot test them for isotopes. There may yet be some way of determining if life actually formed from space compounds or from terrestrial ones, but right now I don’t think there is — I haven’t heard of one, at least.
So what these new results show is that life here might have formed from compounds that fell from space. It may even be likely. But it’s not rock-solid fact. As the scientists say on the abstract of their paper (emphasis mine):
These new results demonstrate that organic compounds, which are components of the genetic code in modern biochemistry, were already present in the early solar system and may have played a key role in life’s origin.
To be even more broad, and to stop any extrapolation here, this also does not mean that life itself formed in space and fell here. We’re only talking building blocks here, not viruses, RNA, DNA, or bacteria. Just chemicals.
There is a group of folks who claim that every unexplained molecule must have fallen from space. Panspermia is a cool idea, and may even be right — but the group at Cardiff (founded by Hoyle and Wickramasinghe) make outrageous claims about bacteria and viruses from space, with almost no real supporting evidence that I have seen.
So you have to be careful to not fall into a "God of the gaps" argument: because we can’t explain something now, that doesn’t mean it must be due to some supernatural (or extremely unlikely) cause. That’s a bad path to follow, because eventually someone will fill that gap with evidence, and then your supernatural cause gets squeezed out. For example, creationists say that the eye could not have evolved, therefore God did it. But now we understand pretty well how the eye evolved, and the creationist’s explanation looks silly. They found a gap in knowledge, proclaimed a supernatural explanation, and it turned out to be natural after all.
I put panspermia into that category for the moment. While there is some real science, and really interesting science, to pursue there, it’s not a panacea for all things biologica-ex-nihilo.
The Conclusion:
So here are the big points:
1) Researchers have found that some molecules which are the basis for life on Earth can have an extraterrestrial origin.
2) These molecules survived their impact with Earth.
3) These alien molecules may have been crucial to the development of life on Earth.
4) These needed building blocks of life may have also been formed right here on Earth, so we can’t fly off the handle.
5) Intact life from space — bacteria, viruses, and such — is still just an idea, with no credible supporting evidence.
But the really big point is that this is an amazing and wonderful discovery! It is entirely possible that life here — or at least the necessary components of it — began out there. This is one of those discoveries that makes you think, and sparks discussion, and also just happens to have some profound philosophical ramifications. I’m in favor of all three of those things!
So remember, when you go outside at night and look up, the sky is filled with far more than just the stars you see. Our future is up there, and our past. And, not incidentally, our present as well.
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| Veritas
User ID: 452762
6/16/2008 9:38 AM | | Re: We may all be space aliens: study | Quote |
Nice diversion Dr Postman. Congratulations. But we've heard all that already. Now the discussion has shifted somewhat toward more concrete and present issues. Issues that concern people in their daily lives. Issues being hidden by the authorities.
Now tell us what the Air Force, NSA, CIA, NATO high command and a host of other agencies know about the alien presence and their contact or attempted contacts.
Go on, Dr, you are a scientist after all and must have privy to "inside" information, surely?
Eg, where did fibre optics, lasers, microchips, micro-wave technologies etc come from really, eh?
Don't be shy now. After all, this is a conspiracy site. |
| FAR
User ID: 412806
6/16/2008 9:42 AM | | Re: We may all be space aliens: study | Quote |
Now tell us what the Air Force, NSA, CIA, NATO high command and a host of other agencies know about the alien presence and their contact or attempted contacts.
Go on, Dr, you are a scientist after all and must have privy to "inside" information, surely?
Eg, where did fibre optics, lasers, microchips, micro-wave technologies etc come from really, eh?
Don't be shy now. After all, this is a conspiracy site. Quoting: Veritas 452762
The generals of Kali already run the show, what else more extra terestrial do you need than that?
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 289264
6/16/2008 9:48 AM | | Re: We may all be space aliens: study | Quote |
so there you have it. 100% proof aliens exist. we are aliens, therefore aliens exist. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 373123
6/16/2008 9:50 AM | | Re: We may all be space aliens: study | Quote |
Great post, OP.
offtopic:
glp registration should be a huge form containing some very sophisticate IQ test, and allow only those 140 or higher.
i'm sick of all these morons posting shit.
then, maybe that's all about it...
then again, maybe I couldn't pass the test neither ;)) |
| Smerk
User ID: 453246
6/17/2008 5:22 AM | | Re: We may all be space aliens: study | Quote |
"We must kill them. We must incinerate them. Pig after pig, cow after cow, village after village, army after army. And they call me an idiot. What do you call it when the idiot's accuse the idiot ? They lie.. they lie and we have to be merciful to those who lie. Those idiots. I hate them. How I hate them..." |
| Halcyon Dayz
User ID: 434868
6/17/2008 2:11 PM
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glp registration should be a huge form containing some very sophisticate IQ test, and allow only those 140 or higher. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 373123
That would ruin all the fun.
You snob. ;)
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| DrPostman
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6/17/2008 7:55 PM
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Nice diversion Dr Postman. Congratulations. But we've heard all that already. Now the discussion has shifted somewhat toward more concrete and present issues. Issues that concern people in their daily lives. Issues being hidden by the authorities.
Now tell us what the Air Force, NSA, CIA, NATO high command and a host of other agencies know about the alien presence and their contact or attempted contacts.
Go on, Dr, you are a scientist after all and must have privy to "inside" information, surely?
Eg, where did fibre optics, lasers, microchips, micro-wave technologies etc come from really, eh?
Don't be shy now. After all, this is a conspiracy site. Quoting: Veritas 452762
I'm a postal worker, dufus.
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be around when the world ends. Two women in the last two weeks said they were contemplating
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-- NASA Astrobiology Institute scientist David Morrison, on 2012 fears
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| picesnator
User ID: 318318
6/17/2008 8:06 PM | | Re: We may all be space aliens: study | Quote |
Jesus dosen't like this kind of talk...you are going to hell.
So your answer to anything that is unknown to you is "oh some superbeing flying spaghetti monster did it!"
CUTE!!! like it!!! very original... |
| lucifer
User ID: 449036
6/18/2008 9:42 AM | | Re: We may all be space aliens: study | Quote |
Where are the creationists on this one?
Right here! Where did the meteor come from? What is the space it is in? What is space? What created the laws of physics guiding it here? How did the universe exist in the first place for any of it to take place? If it was a big bang, what made it go bang? What was before it? What will be after it is all gone? Ever had a close call, or a brush with death in your life? What told you to do that action that stopped you from being in the wrong place at the wrong time? Real science does not allow you to have all the answers without being open to all the questions. If you just ask God a question, and you are really sincere and it is a real problem, not what color are my shoes... he will answer. It is not in the form of a booming voice or a burning bush. It will be a random thought that occurs to you that your brain did not take the logical steps to from an answer. It is just there. If you allow yourself to think about it and you are open that anything is possible, you just might get goose bumps because you will understand that God answered you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 403373
great widom!!!! |
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