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Nicolas Sarkozy plans to bypass Irish no vote

 
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Nicolas Sarkozy, the French President, is working with European Union officials and diplomats to plan a special "legal arrangement" to bypass Ireland's referendum rejection.

Mr Sarkozy takes over the EU's rotating presidency in July and will be tasked with resurrecting, for a second time, Lisbon Treaty proposals first contained in the European Constitution rejected by French and Dutch voters three years ago.

Diplomats and officials have no intention of letting the Irish no vote sink a blueprint to boost the EU's powers on the international stage and to create a President of Europe.

Gordon Brown has already phoned Paris to promise Mr Sarkozy that Britain will ignore Ireland to continue parliamentary ratification of the EU Treaty.

Jean-Pierre Jouyet, the French Europe Minister, has hinted that Paris already has a legal "fix", such as plans revealed in The Daily Telegraph on Wednesday, to keep the EU Treaty alive.

"The most important thing is that the ratification process must continue in the other countries and then we shall see with the Irish what type of legal arrangement could be found," he said.

"We must remain within the framework of the Lisbon treaty."

Eight countries are still engaged in parliamentary ratification of the Treaty but are expected to have finished, without any upsets by the autumn.

Plans to find a "mechanism" keeping Ireland within the EU but temporarily outside the Lisbon Treaty will then be tabled at an October or December meeting of Europe's leaders.

"Ireland must not stop the process of getting the Treaty through. Then we can take stock," said a diplomat close to negotiations.

Mr Brown will join Mr Sarkozy and other EU leaders at a Brussels summit next Thursday to vow that it is business as usual on pushing the Treaty through.

Brian Cowen, the Irish Taoiseach, is expected to support the calls for ratification to continue in other countries and to plead that Ireland is not left behind.

But the British Prime Minister will face strong domestic calls for Parliament's ratification of the Treaty to be halted.

The Conservatives will revive demands for a British referendum as a ICM poll yesterday found that Britons would vote against the Lisbon Treaty by 51 per cent to 28 per cent.

Neil O'Brien, Director of Open Europe, said: "The argument for a referendum in Britain is now overwhelming. Europe's political establishment plan to carry on regardless. Only a referendum in Britain can finally kill this thing off."

Nigel Farage, leader of the UK Independence Party, argued that the EU must honour the Irish vote, the only referendum to place on the Treaty in the EU's 27 member states.

"I suspect that the EU extremists will simply try to ignore it as they did the French and Dutch results," he said.

"The third reading of the treaty in the House of Lords next week must be halted because the project now has no legitimacy."

There are advanced plans in Brussels for a "bridging mechanism" to allow Ireland to be removed from the list of signatories to the Lisbon Treaty after the EU's 26 other member states have ratified it.'

Ireland will continue to remain in the euro and be covered by existing Treaties but will be left out of the creation of an EU president and foreign minister, which would proceed as planned.

By late 2009 or early 2010, when Croatia joins the EU, an amending "Accession Treaty" will be signed by all members including Dublin.

Incorporated into it would be a series of protocol texts giving paper "opt-outs" on controversial Irish EU issues, such as taxation powers or greater military co-operation.

Ireland, like the rest of the Europe, does not hold referendums on EU enlargement treaties and with new protocol opt-outs Dublin may get the Treaty past the Irish parliament without another popular vote.
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Sarkozy is the epitome of French arrogance, and should be ignored himself. The French buried their plans for tax harmonisation for all 27 states until the Lisbon Treaty was passed in Ireland, because they knew the Irish wouldn't stand for it. But it was leaked and the Irish have thrown the Lisbon Treaty into the Atlantic where it should rot in peace.
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06/14/2008 05:03 AM
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Can anyone summarize what Ireland voted against
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Can anyone summarize what Ireland voted against
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They voted against a Treaty which is illegible
very complicated

Europe is ruled by I don't know who, deputies are elected but have small power, a lot of people at key positions are named and not elected.

Europe is on the way to sit on democraty !
It looks like it will come back to a monarchy or something like that, may be a dictature, could be possible too...

Europe is ruled by money and only money, they promised us to do an EUROPE for people, from different culture, but what they are doing is level all the nations.

It's frankly disgusting !!

And with Sarkozy ruling Europe for next 6 months the worst can come.

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Can anyone summarize what Ireland voted against
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Yes, its a treaty which is supposed to streamline the fact that there are now 27 members of the EU. When Ireland joined there were only 6 back in 1973, but it has become much larger over the years and more powerful so they wanted to copperfasten that power by proposing that the bigger nations like Germany and France have much greater voting strengths than they have now, while Ireland loses strength because it is a 'smaller' country. It proposes a title of President to head the new legal entity of the EU, which it never was before. This President will be unelected by the people, only selected from amongst the Elite in Brussels, and he/she will have a foreign minister and other cabinet posts to speak on behalf of the EU.
They also propose a new unified army or task force to deal with any future wars, Ireland is neutral militarily and this caused great concern.
Also, the treaty proposed far greater roles for the European Court in judicial affairs of the 27 nations and also economic harmonisation was also proposed, above and beyond what is already there.
Its no wonder it was rejected, as the French did and the Dutch did, and now the Irish. Its an evil treaty, a power grabbing 300 pages of NWO nastiness.
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Can anyone summarize what Ireland voted against


They voted against a Treaty which is illegible
very complicated

Europe is ruled by I don't know who, deputies are elected but have small power, a lot of people at key positions are named and not elected.

Europe is on the way to sit on democraty !
It looks like it will come back to a monarchy or something like that, may be a dictature, could be possible too...

Europe is ruled by money and only money, they promised us to do an EUROPE for people, from different culture, but what they are doing is level all the nations.

It's frankly disgusting !!

And with Sarkozy ruling Europe for next 6 months the worst can come.

hiding
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 451649


Does anybody here think Sarkozy has a hint of madness about him, a loose cannon as it were? I don't think he is the full shilling from watching him...
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06/14/2008 05:57 AM
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We are a peace loving people, worn out and weary, and we're long overdue for the calm we are now having, if any gobshite thinks they are going to wind up the furore again, better think again, we are a stronger people now, and our Yes is Yes but our NO is NO.
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Zarko is an Israeli spy.
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06/14/2008 06:38 AM
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The EU is basically another soviet union. Too big to ever be successful and riddled with fraud and corruption.
The parliament is a sham as it literally can vote on hundreds of laws a day usually by a show of hands.Virtually no debate.The unelected Commision come up with the laws and the MEP's vote like sheeple while drawing large salaries and expenses.
Lets get rid of it!!!!!!
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The EU is basically another soviet union. Too big to ever be successful and riddled with fraud and corruption.
The parliament is a sham as it literally can vote on hundreds of laws a day usually by a show of hands.Virtually no debate.The unelected Commision come up with the laws and the MEP's vote like sheeple while drawing large salaries and expenses.
Lets get rid of it!!!!!!
 Quoting: sensible patriot 451677



Well said. Goofy Thum

Brown is just as arrogant as Szarkozy and the British are already mad about his denial of a referendum. He doesn't listen to the public.

With luck, any attempt to ignore the Irish vote will backfire spectacularly as even the dumbest of sheeple will realise that democracy is dead in the EU.
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06/14/2008 07:46 AM
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I would really wonder if the NO vote from reland would have any effect on the procees.

I mean, I thought its clear we are dealing with the international Mafia here?
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Does anybody here think Sarkozy has a hint of madness about him, a loose cannon as it were? I don't think he is the full shilling from watching him...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 294313


i have observed his behaviour on several occasions and it indicates that he is controlled by dark forces and not to be trusted.