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There Was No Fall Of Humankind In Eden!!!

 
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There Was No Fall Of Humankind In Eden!!!
There was no fall of man in Eden!!

The christian's bible says man was made to till the ground..

"And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground." (Gen 2:5)

Man was not to seek knowledge, you don't want intelligent slaves!! Apple = Knowledge of good and bad..

After the transgression!!

"Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken." (Gen 3:23)

There was no fall. We went from tilling the ground to a continuation of tilling the ground!!

Punished for seeking knowledge!!

It's always us dumb humans fault!!

Clever of TPTB to get us to blame ourselves for our condition!!

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!


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Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin..I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com]
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
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Nope. No fall.
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Oh....and no sinning either hf
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Oh....and no sinning either hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 449925



Nope, no sinning!!
It was a rebellion against the false god YHWH!!


Our sin was, are you ready?
Seeking knowledge...

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Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin..I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com]
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
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the bible is prob. the biggest psych ops ever done. still there are a few true things in it.
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[link to www.alltruebible.com]
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the bible is prob. the biggest psych ops ever done. still there are a few true things in it.
 Quoting: hail




You are correct on both accounts!!
The bible does have those nuggets of wisdom..
When you collect stories from across the globe and weave it into a religion, it couldn't be helped to contain some small bits of truth!!




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Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin..I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com]
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
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Oh....and no sinning either hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 449925


The only sin there was lying:

Genesis 2,16 + 17

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.

God told adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of knowledge, or they would die. They did eat from the tree but didn't die.
Therefore god lied to them from the start.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 451948



Evil Bible
[link to www.evilbible.com]
Biblical Contradictions
[link to www.evilbible.com]


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Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin..I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com]
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
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Oh....and no sinning either hf


The only sin there was lying:

Genesis 2,16 + 17

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.

God told adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of knowledge, or they would die. They did eat from the tree but didn't die.
Therefore god lied to them from the start.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 451955




applause2




___________
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin..I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com]
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
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 Quoting: HardTruth



nice,

question for GLP-ers, being Croat i read Croat bible ( [link to www.hbk.hr] but it seems to be diferent from King James Bible (appears to be dominant on English language) is there any link for some kind of standard/genuine bible for comparing text.
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nice,

question for GLP-ers, being Croat i read Croat bible ( [link to www.hbk.hr] but it seems to be diferent from King James Bible (appears to be dominant on English language) is there any link for some kind of standard/genuine bible for comparing text.
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Oh....and no sinning either hf


The only sin there was lying:

Genesis 2,16 + 17

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.

God told adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of knowledge, or they would die. They did eat from the tree but didn't die.
Therefore god lied to them from the start.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 451955

come on peeps,did god say die immediately?no he said surely die,and quess what?they did die.
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Oh....and no sinning either hf


The only sin there was lying:

Genesis 2,16 + 17

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.

God told adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of knowledge, or they would die. They did eat from the tree but didn't die.
Therefore god lied to them from the start.

come on peeps,did god say die immediately?no he said surely die,and quess what?they did die.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 414223



They were slated for death anyways..
Fleshly beings die!!
Spiritual beings do not however till the ground!!


Remember? There was no man to till the ground!!

YHWH lied!!

___________
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin..I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com]
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
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Oh....and no sinning either hf


The only sin there was lying:

Genesis 2,16 + 17

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.

God told adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of knowledge, or they would die. They did eat from the tree but didn't die.
Therefore god lied to them from the start.

come on peeps,did god say die immediately?no he said surely die,and quess what?they did die.



They were slated for death anyways..
Fleshly beings die!!
Spiritual beings do not however till the ground!!


Remember? There was no man to till the ground!!

YHWH lied!!

___________
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin..I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com]
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth

there was no man yet, that is because he was still a teenager .
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Oh....and no sinning either hf


The only sin there was lying:

Genesis 2,16 + 17

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.

God told adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of knowledge, or they would die. They did eat from the tree but didn't die.
Therefore god lied to them from the start.

come on peeps,did god say die immediately?no he said surely die,and quess what?they did die.



They were slated for death anyways..
Fleshly beings die!!
Spiritual beings do not however till the ground!!


Remember? There was no man to till the ground!!

YHWH lied!!

___________
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin..I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com]
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!

there was no man yet, that is because he was still a teenager .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 414223




Is this the best you christians have got?
A teenager...LOL

I was working sawmills and roofing houses, and plowing fields when I was a teenager..

Owned my first business at 21..




___________
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin..I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com]
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
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seriously,you could have a thousand men around a tennis court and you could make the statement " and there was no man to play tennis " and do not forget the original translation in greek meant adam did not volunteer to toll the ground,he was lazy,that is why your creator made that comment and then told him to move his ass
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seriously,you could have a thousand men around a tennis court and you could make the statement " and there was no man to play tennis " and do not forget the original translation in greek meant adam did not volunteer to toll the ground,he was lazy,that is why your creator made that comment and then told him to move his ass
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 414223



another do




___________
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin..I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com]
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
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Oh....and no sinning either hf


The only sin there was lying:

Genesis 2,16 + 17

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.

God told adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of knowledge, or they would die. They did eat from the tree but didn't die.
Therefore god lied to them from the start.

come on peeps,did god say die immediately?no he said surely die,and quess what?they did die.



They were slated for death anyways..
Fleshly beings die!!
Spiritual beings do not however till the ground!!


Remember? There was no man to till the ground!!

YHWH lied!!

___________
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin..I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com]
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!

there was no man yet, that is because he was still a teenager .




Is this the best you christians have got?
A teenager...LOL

I was working sawmills and roofing houses, and plowing fields when I was a teenager..

Owned my first business at 21..




___________
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin..I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com]
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth

just humouring you lol, I ain't a christain mind you.
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Oh....and no sinning either hf


The only sin there was lying:

Genesis 2,16 + 17

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.

God told adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of knowledge, or they would die. They did eat from the tree but didn't die.
Therefore god lied to them from the start.

come on peeps,did god say die immediately?no he said surely die,and quess what?they did die.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 414223


The quote was from the New International Version

So, which version of the one and only truth do you like best?

King James Version

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


Septuagint

16

και ενετειλατο κυριος ο θεος τω Αδαμ λεγων απο παντος
ξυλου του εν τω παραδεισω βρωσει φαγη
16 And the Lord God gave a charge to Adam, saying, Of every tree which is in the garden thou mayest freely eat,

17

απο δε του ξυλου του γινωσκειν καλον και πονηρον ου
φαγεσθε απ' αυτου η δ' αν ημερα φαγητε απ' αυτου
θανατω αποθανεισθ&​#949;
17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil—of it ye shall not eat, but in whatsoever day ye eat of it, ye shall surely die.


Vulgata

2:16 praecepitque ei dicens ex omni ligno paradisi comede
2:16. And he commanded him, saying: Of every tree of paradise thou shalt eat:

2:17 de ligno autem scientiae boni et mali ne comedas in quocumque enim die comederis ex eo morte morieris
2:17. But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat. For in what day soever thou shalt eat of it, thou shalt die the death.


Hebrew

טז וַיְצַו יְהוָה אֱלֹהִים, עַל-הָאָד&#14​64;ם לֵאמֹר: מִכֹּל עֵץ-הַגָּ&#15​03;, אָכֹל תֹּאכֵל.
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying: 'Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat;

יז וּמֵעֵץ, הַדַּעַת טוֹב וָרָע--לֹא תֹאכַל, מִמֶּנּו&#146​8;: כִּי, בְּיוֹם אֲכָלְךָ מִמֶּנּו&#146​8;--מוֹת תָּמוּת.
17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.'
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Oh....and no sinning either hf


The only sin there was lying:

Genesis 2,16 + 17

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.

God told adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of knowledge, or they would die. They did eat from the tree but didn't die.
Therefore god lied to them from the start.




applause2
No he didnt. There was no death in Edn. Death came after the fall.




___________
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin..I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com]
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth
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Good thread. From where I'm 'standing'....this is my take on the subject:

Anu was king when the Annunaki arrived on Earth. Enki was one of his sons. Enlil was his other son. Enlil was given Earth to govern. Enki was a scientist who was 'second in charge'. The Annunaki mined gold in Africa (as well as on Mars) and eventually the Annunaki workers revolted. Enlil told Enki to try to make slaves using the current humans (we're talking pre-cromagnon and still pretty much ape-like). Enki engineered over 100,000 slaves - clones (no missing link because of this). Enki, then, (and there's a long story about this) combined Annunaki DNA with early human DNA. The early clones didn't have the brain capacity (the physiology in place provided by DNA strands) to electro-magnetically 'hold' a soul...to entertain the spirit of "god". The Annunaki, being higer evolved, did. Enki and his wife-sister engineered the first "humans" after many attempts. The Nephilim and other "monsters" were defective experiments. Adam and Eve were not actual individuals, just generic names to identify the males and females of the new species. By Enki adding an extra strand of DNA to his creation, humans then could 'think'...had a soul/spirit connection with 'the source of all'. They were capable of discernment between right and wrong - eating from the "tree of knowledge", as the story goes. When Enlil found out about this he was furious as he didn't want humans on the same 'level' as the 'gods' (the Annunaki)...he wanted to keep them ignorant as to make better slaves. Seeing the new species as a threat, Enlil had all humans (and Enki) removed from their lands (called "E.Din" - Eden!) Enlil, being ruler of Earth, and in order to control the now-thinking humans, used technology to confuse mans' speech so they couldn't understand each other (Tower of Babel). Religion was also created by Enlil and his 'priests' so that man would worship them as gods - for control. Confuse the language and the mind. Enlil's priests rewrote history and made Enki out to be a traitor and evil. In the Bible, Enlil is called "Yahweh/YHWH", Jehovah, Our Father, etc. In the Bible, Enki is referred to as "the serpent" and "Lucifer". The serpent is a symbol that represents DNA strand. Think of the medical staff/symbol - the caduceus - two snakes entwined going up a staff - double helix DNA. ("The snake is often depicted in non Judeo-Christian traditions as a source or deliverer of wisdom. In Gnosticism the serpent represents Sophia or the manifestation of principles of the feminine divine (or Shekinah in the Judaism or Kabbalah). Note that the snakes are bound to each other in a double helix - a shape of stability, creation, and life (notably, the shape of the DNA)....In this it can be seen that the caduceus represents the authority to quickly deliver vital information or wisdom to aid, assist and enlighten. ....In the Hermetic tradition, the caduceus is a symbol of spiritual awakening, and has been likened to the Kundalini serpents of Hindu mysticism." Taken from Wikipedia). "Lucifer" means "light bearer" or "one who brings light", etc. Light = enlightenment...knowledge...the ability to 'see'...the ability to reason.....all attributes that came with scientist Enki feeding us that "apple" from that particular "tree".
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God said "Let us MAKE man in our image and likeness"

God made the declaration, he had (has) an obligation.

God is doing what he said - making us in his (physical) image and (spiritual) likeness.


To make man in his image, he formed us from clay... To make us in his likeness, he orchestrated the plan for us to acqure knowledge of GOOD and EVIL (specifically), not just KNOWLEDGE!

WE had to know the difference BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL so we could HONESTLY appreciate GOD.

THINK ABOUT IT, we were in a perfect world, with perfect animals and perfect grass, and perfect food etc. There was NOTHING for us to COMPARE all this goodness with...

DON'T be UPSET with GOD, HIS Plan was to include ALL MANKIND in his plan for acquiring the ability to compare EVIL with GOOD (GOD).

What is it that EVERY HUMAN EVER CREATED now has because of what ADAM and EVE did (eat the fruit)? HE/SHE has lived a life on this earth and been able to experience EVIL, AM I RIGHT?

THIS will be PERFECT for us to use in JUDGEMENT as a measuring tool. ONLY THEN can God (a benevolent and loving God) provide us an ongoing existence with Him.

If you have an ounce of sense, you'll get what I'm saying.




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Oh....and no sinning either hf


The only sin there was lying:

Genesis 2,16 + 17

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.

God told adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of knowledge, or they would die. They did eat from the tree but didn't die.
Therefore god lied to them from the start.




applause2


___________
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin..I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com]
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!



No he didnt. There was no death in Edn. Death came after the fall.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 451982




Fleshly beings die!!!
There was no fall!!
Fleshly beings were created to till the ground!!
Spiritual beings do not till the ground or die!!
Your YHWH lied!!




___________
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin..I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com]
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
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And what shall the Androids say to their creators, mankind, when they fully realize the only reason we created them was to work for us and be our slaves?
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ah,too bad...the greek and hebrew letters showed while writing it in the text window though...anyhow

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God said "Let us MAKE man in our image and likeness"

God made the declaration, he had (has) an obligation.

God is doing what he said - making us in his (physical) image and (spiritual) likeness.


To make man in his image, he formed us from clay... To make us in his likeness, he orchestrated the plan for us to acqure knowledge of GOOD and EVIL (specifically), not just KNOWLEDGE!

WE had to know the difference BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL so we could HONESTLY appreciate GOD.

THINK ABOUT IT, we were in a perfect world, with perfect animals and perfect grass, and perfect food etc. There was NOTHING for us to COMPARE all this goodness with...

DON'T be UPSET with GOD, HIS Plan was to include ALL MANKIND in his plan for acquiring the ability to compare EVIL with GOOD (GOD).

What is it that EVERY HUMAN EVER CREATED now has because of what ADAM and EVE did (eat the fruit)? HE/SHE has lived a life on this earth and been able to experience EVIL, AM I RIGHT?

THIS will be PERFECT for us to use in JUDGEMENT as a measuring tool. ONLY THEN can God (a benevolent and loving God) provide us an ongoing existence with Him.

If you have an ounce of sense, you'll get what I'm saying.




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With all due respect, You have no sense!!
You have bought the religious BS hook line and sinker!!

Man pursued knowledge and was punished!!
It is still the same today..
We are punished or killed for the seeking of TRUE knowledge..



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Re: There Was No Fall Of Humankind In Eden!!!
its the english language that has changed, anyway they all mention god,adam and tree.
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The world as we know it is the result of the fall.
before the fall the world was perfect. The bible calls it Eden, spoken and written legend know it by other names.

There was no death no imperfection in Eden. It was a harmonious existence of a high vibrational frequency and purity.
Humanity wanted more they wanted independence. They wanted what they thought was freedom. They wanted to decide. So they chose this. This lowered the vibration. Imperfection creeped in and the rest is history.
The end times is a return to the way it was by a very small group of humanity that know the way. The conseuence will be a rise in vibration for the whole planet where there will be no imperfection, no death, no violence, no suffering. The lion will literally sleep with the lamb.
What happens to the rest? Its possible that there will be a creation of a dual reality. As the vibration is raised by the chosen ones and the planet is restored its possible the others remain trapped in a parallel reality devoid of anything positive. Some would call it hell.
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Good thread. From where I'm 'standing'....this is my take on the subject:

Anu was king when the Annunaki arrived on Earth. Enki was one of his sons. Enlil was his other son. Enlil was given Earth to govern. Enki was a scientist who was 'second in charge'. The Annunaki mined gold in Africa (as well as on Mars) and eventually the Annunaki workers revolted. Enlil told Enki to try to make slaves using the current humans (we're talking pre-cromagnon and still pretty much ape-like). Enki engineered over 100,000 slaves - clones (no missing link because of this). Enki, then, (and there's a long story about this) combined Annunaki DNA with early human DNA. The early clones didn't have the brain capacity (the physiology in place provided by DNA strands) to electro-magnetically 'hold' a soul...to entertain the spirit of "god". The Annunaki, being higer evolved, did. Enki and his wife-sister engineered the first "humans" after many attempts. The Nephilim and other "monsters" were defective experiments. Adam and Eve were not actual individuals, just generic names to identify the males and females of the new species. By Enki adding an extra strand of DNA to his creation, humans then could 'think'...had a soul/spirit connection with 'the source of all'. They were capable of discernment between right and wrong - eating from the "tree of knowledge", as the story goes. When Enlil found out about this he was furious as he didn't want humans on the same 'level' as the 'gods' (the Annunaki)...he wanted to keep them ignorant as to make better slaves. Seeing the new species as a threat, Enlil had all humans (and Enki) removed from their lands (called "E.Din" - Eden!) Enlil, being ruler of Earth, and in order to control the now-thinking humans, used technology to confuse mans' speech so they couldn't understand each other (Tower of Babel). Religion was also created by Enlil and his 'priests' so that man would worship them as gods - for control. Confuse the language and the mind. Enlil's priests rewrote history and made Enki out to be a traitor and evil. In the Bible, Enlil is called "Yahweh/YHWH", Jehovah, Our Father, etc. In the Bible, Enki is referred to as "the serpent" and "Lucifer". The serpent is a symbol that represents DNA strand. Think of the medical staff/symbol - the caduceus - two snakes entwined going up a staff - double helix DNA. ("The snake is often depicted in non Judeo-Christian traditions as a source or deliverer of wisdom. In Gnosticism the serpent represents Sophia or the manifestation of principles of the feminine divine (or Shekinah in the Judaism or Kabbalah). Note that the snakes are bound to each other in a double helix - a shape of stability, creation, and life (notably, the shape of the DNA)....In this it can be seen that the caduceus represents the authority to quickly deliver vital information or wisdom to aid, assist and enlighten. ....In the Hermetic tradition, the caduceus is a symbol of spiritual awakening, and has been likened to the Kundalini serpents of Hindu mysticism." Taken from Wikipedia). "Lucifer" means "light bearer" or "one who brings light", etc. Light = enlightenment...knowledge...the ability to 'see'...the ability to reason.....all attributes that came with scientist Enki feeding us that "apple" from that particular "tree".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 329387





Goofy Thum





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Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin..I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com]
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
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There was no fall of man in Eden!!

The christian's bible says man was made to till the ground..

"And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground." (Gen 2:5)

Man was not to seek knowledge, you don't want intelligent slaves!! Apple = Knowledge of good and bad..

After the transgression!!

"Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken." (Gen 3:23)

There was no fall. We went from tilling the ground to a continuation of tilling the ground!!

Punished for seeking knowledge!!

It's always us dumb humans fault!!

Clever of TPTB to get us to blame ourselves for our condition!!

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!


___________
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin..I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com]
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth



The full quote tells the story.

In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
meaning you were formed from the clay of the earth and into dust and clay you shall return...

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