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He is okay............. in seclusion for a time.
Otherwise I believe he is well.
I speak on Yahoo messenger with him but not for a few weeks now.
I got a message a few days ago saying he is well.
But I will say that "times" are changing fast and that we have crossed a cross road.
Q seems focused ob assention now.
We are on target for October 11 next year as the day the gravity of the earth stops before rotating the other way.
Bruce

Q said that he deliberately removed his web site in responce to higher request. It was not lack of finances or any other reason.
I feel deeply that the remainder of time should be used in self reflection.
I believe Q was told to "slow down" with information so as to not breach freewill.
Let me assure everyone and leave all with no doubt that Q is indeed the real thing.
The conversations I have had in private leave NO doubt of this.
We would do well to re read all he has written in serious preparation for assention.
Bruce

remember, we are assending to 4D but q is to return to 6th or even higher. As such his vibration has to be raised to a higher degree than ours..........
working in forums such as these makes it harder for him and so he meeds time away from our Lower vibrational influence.

Ladies and Gentleman we have moved into a final phase and as such we need to make our choice............... not once and for all but on a daily basis.
The ego cannot assend and has to "DIE" it must be masterd and lowered to Christ Conciousness.
DO not think or use logic on what to do but "Surrender" to what Christ would do.
Allow the holy spirit to dictate.

Keep this forum going and post as you feel for it is a wonderful tool for those drawn to it..........if you do not have questions then post what you know for it is the unseen ones that dont post that benefit the most.
DO not let this work fade.

Soon we will all meet and share in a way we all desire too.
Bruce

remember also,,,,,,,,, that as the world moves into Kaos and panic be not likewise...........
this must be for the worlds Karma MUST be absolved for it all to swing full cycle and begin again.
Remember that the lizards have been working within time for 74, 000 years to set up as muuch negative energy release for next year so as to sustain their race......... so much suffering and Kaos will be generated.
Do NOT let this bother you........... settle it in your mind that it will grow dark..............
When the SHTF rejoice,,,,,,,,,,, welcome Christ with open arms...........
Dont allow yourself to surrender to the world's fear.
Dont act upon fear.
Don't seek to save your life.
Keep yourself calm and realize that there is nothing to FEAR...........
It will be a glorious birth and we are not destined for wrath.......... indeed it is at the exact point of IMpact and destruction that redemption takes place.
This is wonderful news my brothers.
So nothing to fear but fear itself.
The dark star will be visible for 7 days........... it will manifest a tail much like a comet does full of debree and dust..........
as it swings around the sun it will move between the sun and earth and its dust tail will strike the earth............ raining down fire, bolders and red ash.gasses............ thhis dark star will slow the earths rotation as its effects will counteract the gravitational pull of SOL and cause the earth to stop (three days of darkness)
When you see the dark star in the sky then rejoooice............ not fear as the world will do............. for "not a hair of your head" will perish.
The date is confirmed............ by those authorised to confirm this.

Bruce

You're a funny bunch, so easily led. Q recommended the Newcall site and yet removed his own site. The information at the New call made Q's site look like a b grade movie with bad english. Very basic and no depth of information.

Is the consciousness that operates through Q legitimate? Absolutely. Has it successfully integrated into his being, absolutely not. He was a shambles and I suspect went into retreat to try and achieve some level of integration so he could be of service. More likely the higher consciousness that was attempting to express through him probably told him to pull his head in due to the damage he was doing.

For the record, the author of the Newcall website would actually become angry if someone said that he was a Christed being. He knew how difficult this was and the danger involved in stroking the ego. All members of that site reduced their names to single letters to aid in diminishing the ego. Read any part of it and then read Q's work anywhere on the web. The author of the newcall woke up one day with spontaneous genius and then immediately went to work, seeking out Servers so as to assist them to fulfil their mission. He was shocked at the state of this planet. Like Q, he was an incarnation of Will. Unlike Q, he successfully integrated the Higher Consciousness.

Now as to this date next year in October 2011, what ever happened to "I will come like a thief in the night, you will not know the hour or the day"?

For goodness sake, only an Ego would blow knowledge like that if it were true, and a fool if it was fed to them by a less than holy source.

Be wise as serpents and gentle as doves if you want to serve your fellow man during the unfolding times.

Quorum, can we talk privately? I feel identified with your words.Maybe we can learn from each other?

Adonai.

You're a funny bunch, so easily led.

Thank you for that uplifting comment.

Q recommended the Newcall site and yet removed his own site. The information at the New call made Q's site look like a b grade movie with bad english. Very basic and no depth of information.
Q’s website was not created for “spoon feeding”. It was an expectation that one would consider and evaluate this work and put in a large amount of thought, effort and pray. I am not surprised that some have found it not to their liking.
The fact that Q recomended the Newcall and pointed to it shows a willingness to introduce you to a wide variety of truths.......
One would think one would be THANKFUL for this.

Is the consciousness that operates through Q legitimate? Absolutely. Has it successfully integrated into his being, absolutely not.

I would not presune to make such a wide sweeping judgement for with what shall I use as a measure?
I have not obtained a level sufficiant to be in a position to judge that of another. Being a 3D STS ego dimoonated human I know that my judgement would be false, conditioned and without knwledge.

He was a shambles and I suspect went into retreat to try and achieve some level of integration so he could be of service.

I suppose we all go into retreat for self examination, self work and reflection as this is a key to assention. But the use of the word “was” is indeed incorrect as Q is actively engaged in service to those who require such.

More likely the higher consciousness that was attempting to express through him probably told him to pull his head in due to the damage he was doing.

“Damage” I suppose that is a perception......... to me has committed no damage at all................. I suppose if you understood WHY he spent hundreds of hours in forums and creing websites........... you may also see that “damage” would best be replace with LOVE, CONCERN and EQUATY.

For the record, the author of the Newcall website would actually become angry if someone said that he was a Christed being. He knew how difficult this was and the danger involved in stroking the ego. All members of that site reduced their names to single letters to aid in diminishing the ego.

Interesting but not essential.......... many people use all sorts of levels of surrender to lower the ego........... Interesting the Q was also shortened to a single letter as well.......... is it not?

Read any part of it and then read Q's work anywhere on the web. The author of the newcall woke up one day with spontaneous genius and then immediately went to work, seeking out Servers so as to assist them to fulfil their mission. He was shocked at the state of this planet. Like Q, he was an incarnation of Will.

Unlike Q, he successfully integrated the Higher Consciousness.

Have you successfully intergrated with the Higher Conciousness? How do you know?


Now as to this date next year in October 2011, what ever happened to "I will come like a thief in the night, you will not know the hour or the day"?

The bible also states...... But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
The bible is full of Lizard traps like the one above.

For goodness sake, only an Ego would blow knowledge like that if it were true, and a fool if it was fed to them by a less than holy source.

Q did not give out the date I did. I hope it was not Ego based........ It was not my intention to do.

Be wise as serpents and gentle as doves if you want to serve your fellow man during the unfolding times.

Another misquote? Serpants may indeed be wise but this very thread has exposed their wisdom, their methods and warned against their activites!

Bruce

I need to ask all here a question........... answer in truth, love.
Do you think the father/all is one thinks that being gay............ another form of sexuality in this 3D is a sin?
Wrong and unnatural.
Q has suggested such and I am having trouble with this.
Can someone enlighten me or add witness to q
Bruce

Hi Bruce,

I'm the lunatic that commented recently on Q.

Unhelpful is probably a better way to put it, due to the absence of opposite polarities during sexual union.

Here is a good website with a lot of very useful information..

[link to www.askrealjesus.com]

You'll see that it is an extensive website with very little distortion. Probably among the best channelled information I've come across.

If you are truly, utterly, deeply committed to achieving union with God, then you may want to consider very strongly abstaining from sex. The bottom line is anyway, if you are to enter the Kingdom, you will have to, in the blink of an eye, release all attachments, including sexual attachments and desires, otherwise you won't be able to enter the narrow gate.

Good luck.

If you are truly, utterly, deeply committed to achieving union with God,
Like most in this room. every thought every breathe,every pray is a desire to overcome. To return home. To touch god and move on to other experiences.
To experience a world that serves others........ one in which i can let go and not worry about a knife in the back.............. to remember forever who i am and to collectively remember...........to experience unity
to serve without fear
To share with my brothers.........to leave behind this pain and to know who,what i am

This is treasure beyond belief.
May we all experience this ........... and soon
Bruce

Hello Bruce and 'lunatic',

With all due respect, 'lunatic', what you say above - "Unhelpful is probably a better way to put it, due to the absence of opposite polarities during sexual union", is not entirely accurate. I believe that can be expanded upon.

It's been shown (google for info on the subject) that the brains of male and female homosexuals are physiologically different from those of their heterosexual counterparts. Most, but not all, people who identify as homosexual are born that way - it is genetic.

From a study done in 2008:

"When these results were collected, it was found that lesbians and heterosexual men shared a particular "asymmetry" in their hemisphere size, while heterosexual women and gay men had no difference between the size of the different halves of their brain.
In other words, structurally, at least, the brains of gay men were more like heterosexual women, and gay women more like heterosexual men.
A further experiment found that in one particular area of the brain, the amygdala, there were other significant differences.
In heterosexual men and gay women, there were more nerve "connections" in the right side of the amygdala, compared with the left.
The reverse, with more neural connections in the left amygdala, was the case in homosexual men and heterosexual women.
Dr Qazi Rahman, a lecturer in cognitive biology at Queen Mary, University of London, said that he believed that these brain differences were laid down early in fetal development.
"As far as I'm concerned there is no argument any more - if you are gay, you are born gay," he said.

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]


As discussed on this thread, as well as many others, the brain - it's size, it's functions, it's construction, and it's chemistry - is the vessel - the interface - that allows for a soul to be 'held'. Why would the size and construction of the brain of a male or female who is homosexually oriented be different from that of a male or female heterosexually oriented person?

Perhaps the answer to that question can shed light on your question, Bruce.

Let's look at what most Native American's thought regarding the subject. Many pre-contact tribes/societies in the America's held the belief that there are not just two sexes/souls/spirits, but three: female, male, and "twin-spirited" (a soul that is both male and female). Most of these "twin-spirited" people were held in high regard and lived as Shamans and medicine men/women. For some reason these men and women had an innate ability to converse with spirit much more readily than a 'single-spirited' person. Additionally, it's been historically noted that these 'twin-spirited' people performed different types of healings - some considered miraculous - some were able to see into the future, and were heralded as being able to 'see' and understand the 'bigger picture' with ease - to perceive and operate…and to draw upon - from both 'sides' of the dualistic persona. Their gifts they were born with and the same that they shared were wisdom, knowledge, insight, art, music, guidance, and empathy.

And this is where I offer, from my understanding, my answer to your question (this is a remedial account but should suffice):

Consciousness expanded from the origin and fragmented into an infinite number of expressions of the "Is". Everything, all expressions, had their opposites - light and dark, cold and hot, positive and negative, black and white, void and form, male and female, etc, etc. I think we would agree (in 3D vernacular) that 'light' has no meaning without 'dark' and male would have no meaning without female. So it seems that what we might call a 'whole' is made up of itself and it's opposite. A soul is thus whole. Think of the yin / yang symbol. Two opposing creating one. A circle. Balance. A soul is both male and female…and then so, a soul is neither male nor female (two opposing creating one…). But on this earth - this place where we interact within the fluctuating confines of the interface between the higher and lower dimensions - our souls divide into male and female fragments - a necessity - for the experience(s) - and for the lessons. And as 'lunatic' inferred, these are opposite polarities.

So a heterosexual man and a heterosexual woman are opposite polarities. But remember that there is polarity in the individual. In a male heterosexual the body is male - that's one pole, and the mind/soul is male - the other pole. Like a single magnet that has only a north pole. An heterosexual therefore has a single polarity and is oriented emotionally and sexually as such. And this fits 'lunatic's' statement about opposite polarities engaged in sexual union.

However….

What about homosexuals then? A male homosexual has a male body - that's one pole - the physical. And then his mind/soul is the other pole…but it is female in essence (as the research above suggests). And this fits perfectly with the Native American belief/observation that there is a third 'soul' - one which embodies both the male and female aspects of the original / non-3D whole soul. And that's one theory - that a female soul abides in a male body (and likewise, a male soul abides in a female body) and the result is what is termed, "homosexual" (although we both know that that is a limiting term - one only invented in the last 100 years - and that "homosexuals" are also emotional, intellectual, and spiritual beings…and not just sexual).

The other theory that is discussed in circles where such things are discussed is….that the two aspects of the soul (male and female), both of the original pre/post 3D whole soul, abide in one body; that after their long journey of reincarnations over many lifetimes as two separate polarities, they, on their journey back to 'home', have come together in union to live as one - in one body - in this 3D realm.

So the only question I have is whether theory 1 or theory 2 is correct. The spiritual ramifications and connotations of either is very interesting. But that aside, if the brain of homosexual men is so similar to that of heterosexual women and the brain of homosexual women is similar to that of heterosexual men, then it seems that the first theory would be appropriate. Perhaps both theories apply.

Homosexual acts didn't get a lot of air time in the Bible. There's only 6 verses or so that take on the subject…but those are vague at best and most are misinterpreted from their original meanings. (Look here for a very good discussion on the topic: [link to www.soulforce.org] )

I think the bottom line for me is this, Bruce: Sex is sex. Sexuality doesn't really matter in the bigger picture. But like the song says, "It ain't what you do, it's the way that you do it": Intent matters. Integrity matters. Respect matters. Love and compassion matter. And all resulting actions matter. I read a lot of the section of the site that 'lunatic' shared. There's good stuff there. One thing it does say (and I agree with wholeheartedly) is that sex is fine to experience and practice…as long as we are not attached to any aspects of the act. That's the crux and the part that most people don't get - heterosexual or homosexual. Attachment to anything will hold us 'back'.

And I'll quote 'lunatic; one more time here: "…if you are to enter the Kingdom, you will have to, in the blink of an eye, release all attachments, including sexual attachments and desires, otherwise you won't be able to enter the narrow gate".

I hope this helps.

And little PS here: Please don't dismiss my (or anyone's) questions to the Quorum on his/her/their behalf anymore. Telling me that my questions regarding god/God, YHWH, El Elyon, etc, had been answered in previous pages and suggesting that I do some "research" is inappropriate. The Quorum's answers and perspectives on many different subjects have changed throughout the past few years of this thread. I asked my question in earnest wanting to know what the current views on this/these are.

And a PPS: You said in your previous post, "Interesting but not essential.......... many people use all sorts of levels of surrender to lower the ego........... Interesting the Q was also shortened to a single letter as well.......... is it not?" The Quorum didn't shorten their name to "Q"….eh? No. You were the first to use that abbreviation…and are one of the few that do use "Q" rather than "Quorum". (The) Quorum doesn't use "Q". Thought I would point that out.

Peace to you, Bruce! And gratitude to you, 'lunatic', for your participation and contributions!

Halloo Mallard.............. thank you for that summary and I agree with you entirely.
It does appear true that Q has changed in his tone over the years and it is right and proper to re-seek answers...........You are correct i was the one who has shortened Q to Q.
It seems that Q has become "harder" in his approuch to people and less tolerant. This is especially evident in other forums that he has posted in............. it is also not to difficult to see that his"Style" has changed over the years as is evident if one goes back through previous posts in this thread.............Maybe this is just a progression in his development and asention.
I do talk to him semi regular and only spoke to him two nights a go................ I must admit it is getting "harder" to talk with him as time goes by. He does not seem to have the patience he once had.
His knowedge/ certainty of how he is and his mission seems unwilding at times.
It s sort of like this way or NO way.
One thing I have notice is that some things he was aboslute about a year or two ago has "shifted" and he emphasis are /may not be so definite now...... though I know we all change as we grow and advance.
Much of his writings though are full of wisdom and bear much fruit and aworthy of examination.
Thank you for answering my question about being gay............... you are correct that it is genetic............all those who are gay are well aware of this.
Early in this thread Q stated that he was only to be in this incarnation till the age of 30.........Next year Q will be in his 30th year.

Peace to you.............. thank you for all your contributions and support
Bruce

In the last 48 hours Q has stated a very different view of being gay.............. he has stated it is a sin and quotes the bible.......... and said that it is a demon that needs to be "dealt with"
He says its unnatural and it will stop me from asending.
He seems to make a differentation towards being straight and gay....... and in truth seems to place way to high a percentage in truth towards the scriptures.
He does not appear to believe it is genetic but is a stubmbling block.
He seems to be saying that unless I cease............ i will not be able to asend.

As you can see............ being gay............. this is a challenge to me
Bruce

Why do you accept...or create...challenges in your life, Bruce?

Why does anyone?



"Demons are just angels in disguise, here to help us let go of our attachments".




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While one is not in field tending the to the grass it becomes over grown in weeds and so too does snakes become hidden.

Why is it when one is within a cocoon as does a catapiller before it changes to a butterfly does insects try to tear open the cocoon, why then does a house become full of cob webs if no one is home.

I will share but a few words for now as it is not the season to be releasing for in the winter one does not wear shorts and a tank top but wears a jumper and trousers.

I say to thee those who give a heart to another are those who will be given the pulse of the father, for those who serve another are those who recognise the father. Behold blessing are they who eat from a grape knowing it is part of a tree, blessing are they who honour the tree in which giveth the grape.

One who brings another in from a stormy night and offers a warm meal is one who embraces the fathers with their arms, for as does one give to another in kindness does one giveth to the father in heaven.

Those who do not judge another but measure another by their fruits are those in which fruits shall be in abundance in heaven, for one must discern a brother but not condemn.

If you all have payience I shall explain in a time why the site has been down and you shall see a new butterfly emerge from the cocoon.

Quorum
Adonai Christ bless

A man who loved another man walked up to the lord and said to him is it ok I love this man, the lord said you may love him but do not lust for him, for he is your brother but so are all those around you, the man said can we be in marriage and make love and lord said no for if all did such there would be no new life for that is not the nature of things, the man confused asked why lord do you say such judgement on me and lord says to him I am not judging you but telling you of the law in which is, for to love is to accept all not only that which is your preference in sex.

This parable is saying that if all in world where to be Gay then no life would be created for it is against nature that man be with man and women be with women, for even accepting it once places in eyes of others that it is ok to be but in truth is it a perversion of the flesh.

For behold to love truely is to accept all sexs not make a choice of loving one for know this that the seven deadly sins are real and each has a demon/unclean spirit attached and so too do these infuelence the flesh but can not enter those who are of the spirit of the Father 'Holyspirit'. As it is writen in the law so shall it be done, all else is a lie of satan for remember Sodom which shall repeat...

Quorum
Adonai Christ bless

Demons are here to destroy you make you fail so that you may be consumed by the Anti God so that Satan may wrap his tail around you and sink his fangs into your Soul. Do not presume such things as demons are angels in disguise they are eternal enermys nor shall either perish and at times shall they clash even for the eyes of man to see.

This shall help;

In a place of light where no darkness was lived a group of children, they where happy in bliss had so much toys to play with but those children wanted more, they sought to play with the elder children toys but their toys were dangerous for the young children so it was forbidden.

But they tried anyway and so the children where moved away to a place in which they could play with their toys safely, but then came some other children which said want to play with our toys and the children seeing their toys got curious and said yes show us your toys so the other children said to them if you play with our toys you have to give us something, the children said ok so began to play with them, the children noticed these toys where of a darker colour than the toys they played with in the place of light, so the children got so involved with the darker toys they forget all about the toys which where lighter.

After sometime the children began to get jealous of one another as wanted to try the many different darker toys, bullying began to break out and thievery it got so bad that some children killed the other children in order to take their toys; the children never found out what the other children took from them but they had forgotten all about it.

Quorum

Adonai Christ bless

Our site was around 65% truth, New call is around 75%, we removed ours because of too direct as secrets got revealed in coding and other forms which the heavens do not want revealed at this time so hence we are now adjusting and what will return shall be 100%, when time comes of this to be publically shared we shall tell you for now be payient as this new site shall have many answers including prophercy of future as it shall play out as writen.

Manys wars are to come soon and from those wars on blood and tears shall the Anti Christ arise I are not permited yet to know who it is.

Bear with me because of the shifting occuring Satan and his empire 'Draconian empire' has been attacking me non stop I have had to go into seclusion for a time and will go back in again because only in scripture/prayer/fasting can I overcome the beasts attacks for many powerful beings are trying at this time to prevent.

But take confort in this knowing that soon shall many wonders arise in world and the time of the lord is coming and so too shall all be given equal opportunity to repent and become as is required to enter the heavens in which no one shall suffer nor hunger or thrist or do without again. For earth is the kingdom of beast and soon so too shall it resemble what the prophets spoke and soo too shall justice be given for all sins done and so shall the woes be delivered unto those of the wicked for as it is writen so shall it be.

Quorum
Adonai Christ bless

I will remain for 4 days only then I must again go away a while I am sorry for those that felt abandoned I do this so may be of better service to you for I was not in proper balance but im now being balanced, for now see me as simply a messager but know the Father loves you and their is a plan to offer salvation.

Quorum
Adonai Christ bless

I must since in this post say this to all, that site suggested we do not support at all. For remember serpents are wise in how they hunt as well so too can satan be a angel of light.

Quorum
Adonai Christ bless

Hello Quorum,

Do you think internet censorship will effect your website at all? For if it were to contain too much truth, wouldn't it be in TPTBs interest to shut it down?

I mean technically can't they just shut it down without a warrant?

I am eagerly anticipating this new beginning and hope that nothing bad happens. But knowing how ruthless these entities are I am sure they are tracking everything that you have ever typed. How are you taking precautions over such measures?

God bless

A man who loved another man walked up to the lord and said to him is it ok I love this man, the lord said you may love him but do not lust for him, for he is your brother but so are all those around you, the man said can we be in marriage and make love and lord said no for if all did such there would be no new life for that is not the nature of things, the man confused asked why lord do you say such judgement on me and lord says to him I am not judging you but telling you of the law in which is, for to love is to accept all not only that which is your preference in sex.

There are multiple errors and a very narrow view of life.
Point one......... marrage and sex are not just about procreation......... it is about union, companioonship, belonging, love, and acceptancve. If Q's argument that marrage and sex is ultimately about creating new life then does this also exclude:
those two old to have children
those who cannot have children
as well..........teh truth is few people for relationships solely with the intent of having children

Point two.........
Q said the coonsiquence would be no new life........... firstly let me point out that less than 5 percent of males and females are gay...........so this leaves 95 % of the population to reroduce at any one time......... so the argument that if we all did this.... there would be no new life is null and void.

Bruce

Point three............. Q's argument seems to imply that being gay is a choice..........and therefore can be right or wrong. ^his is false unless one deems that that choice was made before incarnation.
Gay people are born this way and indeed to attempt to be anything other than who they are leaves one very open to every form of unclean spirits manipulation.

Bruce

Where I understand the point about overcoming sexuality and removing duality.... that all is one and gender/sex is non existant in the higher dimentions I would point out that we do NOT have to be 4th dimention to be ready for 4th dimention
We only need to be ready to transend............

Satans powers on earth is given to him the Father has the last say hence not all I do say can be viewed by them, for heavens power is supreme soon world will see examples of both Satans powers and Heavens. The underworld will become very active soon as each year passes shall more come through and eventually shall that which is spirit now become physical.

Quorum
Adonai Christ bless

What must be is what is required for that which was spoken by the Father known as the judgement, if you read about sodom you will understand some events to come but sodom this time around is the entire world, for Babylon has fallen.

We shall say this again their is not sexual desire in heaven, only the will of creation in relationship through love this is not same as humans love nor the process of masculine and femine energy interacting in heaven is it the same as what occurs with mankind, but their is no gay in heaven for their is no reason to be all such things are of Satans design not Gods to lure souls into depravitys and at young ages do they insert such programs through demonic entitys.

All desire of lust is of the Devil not God and is a powerful temptation one must overcome for lust is one of the seven deadly sins. We shall say even this it is a sin to have sex outside of marriage for that is of lust not love for marriage is more than people know for the rings of bonding are a contract of soul, so too is divorce wrong unless the contract has been broken for one who gives into lust and breaks the contract so too sins against their partner.

But the Father forgives all when one is in rependence so what you have done does not condemn you to hell but if one in face of the Lord does not repent and if one sides with Satans designs so too shall Satan have power over them for it is his designs they choose not Gods for they rebel as he against the laws of the heavens, so to shall they share in his fate.

Quorum
Adonai Christ bless

The concept of loving all equally...........of all being one is a hard concept to practice in this 3D sts world.
In truth it is hard enough loving oneself............ maybe this is the reason that we have marriage/relationships........so we can practice this concept within this realm. Indeed a marriage is a form of sharing, networking and is a higher concept.
To assume that this is is reserved only for opposite sexes , to me, is too narrow a view point.
Bruce

A man sees two painting and wonders at them one of a Abstraction design of a darkened picture but aluring the other of a Impressionism type design of a lightened picture also aluring. The man only has enough money on him to choose one each is owned by a different painter the man must decide in which painting he loves most for the painting he chooses he must give payment to the owner of that painting. The man trys to make a deal with the owner of the paintings hoping he can get both paintings but the owners will not budge in price, they say to him by the worth of our work so shall you pay us. The man must decide in which painting would go best with his house in which he will love most to view upon, but he must decide soon for soon the sales will close.

Quorum
Adonai Christ bless

By the law that was created in beginning so shall it be done, there will come a time soon all in world shall be given the Truth if they accept it or Deny will determin if they are Marked by Satan or Marked by God.

two olive trees and the two lampstands will soon appear to the world they shall reveal the Truth of the Father for all to hear.


Quorum
Adonai Christ bless

PASSAGE 2
GENESIS 19:1-14
THE STORY OF SODOM

Now let's consider the second biblical text used by some people to condemn God's gay children. You remember the ancient story of Sodom. First, what does the story of Sodom in Genesis 19 say about God?

When Gary and I arrive at a college or university to speak, there are often protesters carrying signs that read, "Mel White, Sodomite." (Has a nice ring to it.) Actually, I'm not from Sodom. That city was buried beneath the Dead Sea centuries ago. I'm from California -- but perhaps that just confirms their suspicions!

Once again, this story is not primarily about sex. It is primarily about God. Some people say the city of Sodom was destroyed because it was overrun by sexually obsessed homosexuals. In fact, the city of Sodom had been doomed to destruction long before. So what is this passage really about?

Jesus and five Old Testament prophets all speak of the sins that led to the destruction of Sodom -- and not one of them mentions homosexuality. Even Billy Graham doesn't mention homosexuality when he preaches on Sodom.

Listen to what Ezekiel 16:48-49 tell us: "This is the sin of Sodom; she and her suburbs had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not help or encourage the poor and needy. They were arrogant and this was abominable in God's eyes."

Today, heterosexuals and homosexuals alike do well to remember that we break God's heart when we spend all we earn on ourselves, when we forget the poor and hungry, when we refuse to do justice or show mercy, when we leave strangers at the gate.

I admit, there are a lot of gay folk who are Sodomites (and a lot of straight folk as well). Sodomites are rich and don't share what they have with the poor. Sodomites have plenty and want more. While millions are hungry, homeless, and sick, Sodomites rush to build bigger homes, buy bigger cars, and own more property -- putting their trust in safer stock portfolios and more secure retirement accounts.

Whatever teaching about sexuality you might get out of this passage, be sure to hear this central, primary truth about God as well. God has called us do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with our Creator. Sodom was destroyed because its people didn't take God seriously about caring for the poor, the hungry, the homeless, or the outcast.

But what does the story of Sodom say about homosexual orientation as we understand it today? Nothing.

It was common for soldiers, thieves, and bullies to rape a fallen enemy, asserting their victory by dehumanizing and demeaning the vanquished. This act of raping an enemy is about power and revenge, not about homosexuality or homosexual orientation. And it is still happening.
Louima
Louima

In August 1997, Abner Louima, a young black immigrant from Haiti, was assaulted by several police officers after he was arrested in Brooklyn. Officer Charles Schwarz held Louima down in a restroom at the precinct, while Officer Justin Volpe rammed a broken stick into Louima's rectum. These two men and the three other officers involved in this incident and its cover-up were not gay. This was not a homosexual act. It was about power.

The sexual act that occurs in the story of Sodom is a gang rape -- and homosexuals oppose gang rape as much as anyone. That's why I believe the story of Sodom says a lot about God's will for each of us, but nothing about homosexuality as we understand it today.