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Leviticus is a holiness code written 3,000 years ago. This code includes many of the outdated sexual laws we mentioned earlier, and a lot more. It also includes prohibitions against round haircuts, tattoos, working on the Sabbath, wearing garments of mixed fabrics, eating pork or shellfish, getting your fortune told, and even playing with the skin of a pig. (There goes football!)
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* DEUTERONOMY 22:13-21
If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the Bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediately.
* DEUTERONOMY 22:22
If a married person has sex with someone else's husband or wife, the Bible commands that both adulterers be stoned to death.
* MARK 10:1-12
Divorce is strictly forbidden in both Testaments, as is remarriage of anyone who has been divorced.
* LEVITICUS 18:19
The Bible forbids a married couple from having sexual intercourse during a woman's period. If they disobey, both shall be executed.
* MARK 12:18-27
If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.
* DEUTERONOMY 25:11-12
If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemy's genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her.
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I'm certain you don't agree with these teachings from the Bible about sex. And you shouldn't. The list goes on: The Bible says clearly that sex with a prostitute is acceptable for the husband but not for the wife. Polygamy (more than one wife) is acceptable, as is a king's having many concubines. (Solomon, the wisest king of all, had 1,000 concubines.) Slavery and sex with slaves, marriage of girls aged 11-13, and treatment of women as property are all accepted practices in the Scriptures. On the other hand, there are strict prohibitions against interracial marriage, birth control, discussing or even naming a sexual organ, and seeing one's parents nude.

Over the centuries the Holy Spirit has taught us that certain Bible verses should not be understood as God's law for all time periods. Some verses are specific to the culture and time they were written, and are no longer viewed as appropriate, wise, or just.

Often, the Holy Spirit uses science to teach us why those ancient words no longer apply to our modern times. During the last three decades, for example, organizations representing 1.5 million U.S. health professionals (doctors, psychiatrists, psychologists, counselors, and educators) have stated definitively that homosexual orientation is as natural as heterosexual orientation, that sexual orientation is determined by a combination of yet unknown pre- and post-natal influences, and that it is dangerous and inappropriate to tell a homosexual that he or she could or should attempt to change his or her sexual orientation. (See Recommended Resources, p. 23-24.)
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I'm certain you don't agree with these teachings from the Bible about sex. And you shouldn't. The list goes on: The Bible says clearly that sex with a prostitute is acceptable for the husband but not for the wife. Polygamy (more than one wife) is acceptable, as is a king's having many concubines. (Solomon, the wisest king of all, had 1,000 concubines.) Slavery and sex with slaves, marriage of girls aged 11-13, and treatment of women as property are all accepted practices in the Scriptures. On the other hand, there are strict prohibitions against interracial marriage, birth control, discussing or even naming a sexual organ, and seeing one's parents nude.

Over the centuries the Holy Spirit has taught us that certain Bible verses should not be understood as God's law for all time periods. Some verses are specific to the culture and time they were written, and are no longer viewed as appropriate, wise, or just.

Often, the Holy Spirit uses science to teach us why those ancient words no longer apply to our modern times. During the last three decades, for example, organizations representing 1.5 million U.S. health professionals (doctors, psychiatrists, psychologists, counselors, and educators) have stated definitively that homosexual orientation is as natural as heterosexual orientation, that sexual orientation is determined by a combination of yet unknown pre- and post-natal influences, and that it is dangerous and inappropriate to tell a homosexual that he or she could or should attempt to change his or her sexual orientation. (See Recommended Resources, p. 23-24.)
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All you wrote above was written by MAN to allow man to enslave, and condone war. NOBODY should be telling ANYBODY who they should be regardless of religion, race, sexual orientation, etc..

huMAN is outgrowing the archaic writings of the bible and recognizing it for what it is - embellished history, period!

Q in his almightiness, KNOWS this to be true and yet he continues to speak of god. You need another 4 days off Q, you aren't intuned yet with your selves.
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While one is not in field tending the to the grass it becomes over grown in weeds and so too does snakes become hidden.

Why is it when one is within a cocoon as does a catapiller before it changes to a butterfly does insects try to tear open the cocoon, why then does a house become full of cob webs if no one is home.

[....]

If you all have payience I shall explain in a time why the site has been down and you shall see a new butterfly emerge from the cocoon.

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All I see in your words are victimhood and narcissism.
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While one is not in field tending the to the grass it becomes over grown in weeds and so too does snakes become hidden.

Why is it when one is within a cocoon as does a catapiller before it changes to a butterfly does insects try to tear open the cocoon, why then does a house become full of cob webs if no one is home.

[....]

If you all have payience I shall explain in a time why the site has been down and you shall see a new butterfly emerge from the cocoon.

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All I see in your words are victimhood and narcissism.
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Those who have the eyes to see will, those with the ears to listen will hear, for the blind will remain blind and the deaf remain deaf.

For only if the sheep belong to the flock shall they listen to the call of the shepard.

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In the last 48 hours Q has stated a very different view of being gay.............. he has stated it is a sin and quotes the bible.......... and said that it is a demon that needs to be "dealt with"
He says its unnatural and it will stop me from asending.
He seems to make a differentation towards being straight and gay....... and in truth seems to place way to high a percentage in truth towards the scriptures.
He does not appear to believe it is genetic but is a stubmbling block.
He seems to be saying that unless I cease............ i will not be able to asend.

As you can see............ being gay............. this is a challenge to me
Bruce


A man who loved another man walked up to the lord and said to him is it ok I love this man, the lord said you may love him but do not lust for him, for he is your brother but so are all those around you, the man said can we be in marriage and make love and lord said no for if all did such there would be no new life for that is not the nature of things, the man confused asked why lord do you say such judgement on me and lord says to him I am not judging you but telling you of the law in which is, for to love is to accept all not only that which is your preference in sex.

This parable is saying that if all in world where to be Gay then no life would be created for it is against nature that man be with man and women be with women, for even accepting it once places in eyes of others that it is ok to be but in truth is it a perversion of the flesh.
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This "parable" as you call it isn't a parable at all. You made it up. And your attempt to be 'wise' is laughable.

Didn't you say that you contracted a disease through your sexual exploits? You also said that this disease was going to kill you by age 30. I believe that you even inferred that you yourself are gay.

What you wrote above sounds not like a parable but a conversation you had with what you thought to be "God"...but sounds more like your guilty conscience speaking back to you. Either that or the false god, YHWH, speaking to/through you.

For behold to love truely is to accept all sexs not make a choice of loving one for know this that the seven deadly sins are real and each has a demon/unclean spirit attached and so too do these infuelence the flesh but can not enter those who are of the spirit of the Father 'Holyspirit'. As it is writen in the law so shall it be done, all else is a lie of satan for remember Sodom which shall repeat...

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You are not God the Creator of All. If you were or even had the slightest amount of insight bestowed to you by the Creator, then you'd know that Sodom was not destroyed by the Creator but by YHWH. And it wasn't for any type of sexual "sin". What Bruce posted on Sodom is accurate and true. Ezekiel, who supposedly met God and traveled with Him, says it very simply:

Ezekiel 16:48-49 tell us: "This is the sin of Sodom; she and her suburbs had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not help or encourage the poor and needy. They were arrogant and this was abominable in God's eyes."
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In the last 48 hours Q has stated a very different view of being gay.............. he has stated it is a sin and quotes the bible.......... and said that it is a demon that needs to be "dealt with"
He says its unnatural and it will stop me from asending.
He seems to make a differentation towards being straight and gay....... and in truth seems to place way to high a percentage in truth towards the scriptures.
He does not appear to believe it is genetic but is a stubmbling block.
He seems to be saying that unless I cease............ i will not be able to asend.

As you can see............ being gay............. this is a challenge to me
Bruce


A man who loved another man walked up to the lord and said to him is it ok I love this man, the lord said you may love him but do not lust for him, for he is your brother but so are all those around you, the man said can we be in marriage and make love and lord said no for if all did such there would be no new life for that is not the nature of things, the man confused asked why lord do you say such judgement on me and lord says to him I am not judging you but telling you of the law in which is, for to love is to accept all not only that which is your preference in sex.

This parable is saying that if all in world where to be Gay then no life would be created for it is against nature that man be with man and women be with women, for even accepting it once places in eyes of others that it is ok to be but in truth is it a perversion of the flesh.


This "parable" as you call it isn't a parable at all. You made it up. And your attempt to be 'wise' is laughable.

Didn't you say that you contracted a disease through your sexual exploits? You also said that this disease was going to kill you by age 30. I believe that you even inferred that you yourself are gay.

What you wrote above sounds not like a parable but a conversation you had with what you thought to be "God"...but sounds more like your guilty conscience speaking back to you. Either that or the false god, YHWH, speaking to/through you.


For behold to love truely is to accept all sexs not make a choice of loving one for know this that the seven deadly sins are real and each has a demon/unclean spirit attached and so too do these infuelence the flesh but can not enter those who are of the spirit of the Father 'Holyspirit'. As it is writen in the law so shall it be done, all else is a lie of satan for remember Sodom which shall repeat...

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You are not God the Creator of All. If you were or even had the slightest amount of insight bestowed to you by the Creator, then you'd know that Sodom was not destroyed by the Creator but by YHWH. And it wasn't for any type of sexual "sin". What Bruce posted on Sodom is accurate and true. Ezekiel, who supposedly met God and traveled with Him, says it very simply:

Ezekiel 16:48-49 tell us: "This is the sin of Sodom; she and her suburbs had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not help or encourage the poor and needy. They were arrogant and this was abominable in God's eyes."
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By the measure in which thee judge so shall thee be judged.

A twisted tongue which speaks only decieves many further, Satan leave this place of teaching.

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In the last 48 hours Q has stated a very different view of being gay.............. he has stated it is a sin and quotes the bible.......... and said that it is a demon that needs to be "dealt with"
He says its unnatural and it will stop me from asending.
He seems to make a differentation towards being straight and gay....... and in truth seems to place way to high a percentage in truth towards the scriptures.
He does not appear to believe it is genetic but is a stubmbling block.
He seems to be saying that unless I cease............ i will not be able to asend.

As you can see............ being gay............. this is a challenge to me
Bruce



Why do you accept...or create...challenges in your life, Bruce?

Why does anyone?



"Demons are just angels in disguise, here to help us let go of our attachments".




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Demons are here to destroy you make you fail so that you may be consumed by the Anti God so that Satan may wrap his tail around you and sink his fangs into your Soul. Do not presume such things as demons are angels in disguise they are eternal enermys nor shall either perish and at times shall they clash even for the eyes of man to see.

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In all your infinite wisdom...you aren't too up on metaphor, are you?!

Bruce's sexuality is a challenge to him. Or... his desire to resolve his sexuality with his spiritual beliefs is more-so the challenge. This is the 'demon' that is meant. And by engaging in this challenge, by being earnest and open to truth...by and through gnosis...he will find (or, more likely, already has found) the truth and he will find that his 'demon' actually helped him to find that truth. Hence, this challenge, this 'demon', can be viewed as an angel.

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I must since in this post say this to all, that site suggested we do not support at all. For remember serpents are wise in how they hunt as well so too can satan be a angel of light.

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So you are saying that a demon (satan) can disguise itself as an angel.

Hmmm.

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ROMANS 1:26-27
NATURAL AND UNNATURAL

What does Romans 1:26-27 say about God?

For our discussion, this is the most controversial biblical passage of them all. In Romans 1:26-27 the apostle Paul describes non-Jewish women who exchange "natural use for unnatural" and non-Jewish men who "leave the natural use of women, working shame with each other."

This verse appears to be clear: Paul sees women having sex with women and men having sex with men, and he condemns that practice. But let's go back 2,000 years and try to understand why.

Paul is writing this letter to Rome after his missionary tour of the Mediterranean. On his journey Paul had seen great temples built to honor Aphrodite, Diana, and other fertility gods and goddesses of sex and passion instead of the one true God the apostle honors. Apparently, these priests and priestesses engaged in some odd sexual behaviors -- including castrating themselves, carrying on drunken sexual orgies, and even having sex with young temple prostitutes (male and female) -- all to honor the gods of sex and pleasure.

The Bible is clear that sexuality is a gift from God. Our Creator celebrates our passion. But the Bible is also clear that when passion gets control of our lives, we're in deep trouble.

When we live for pleasure, when we forget that we are God's children and that God has great dreams for our lives, we may end up serving the false gods of sex and passion, just as they did in Paul's time. In our obsession with pleasure, we may even walk away from the God who created us -- and in the process we may cause God to abandon all the great dreams God has for our lives.

Did these priests and priestesses get into these behaviors because they were lesbian or gay? I don't think so. Did God abandon them because they were practicing homosexuals? No. Read the text again.

In our Soulforce video, There's a Wideness in God's Mercy, the Rev. Dr. Louis B. Smedes, a distinguished Christian author and ethicist, describes exactly how the Bible says these promiscuous priests and priestesses got into this mess. Once again it has nothing to do with homosexuality:

SMEDES: "The people Paul had in mind refused to acknowledge and worship God, and for this reason were abandoned by God. And being abandoned by God, they sank into sexual depravity."

SMEDES: "The homosexuals I know have not rejected God at all; they love God and they thank God for his grace and his gifts. How, then, could they have been abandoned to homosexuality as a punishment for refusing to acknowledge God?"

SMEDES: "Nor have the homosexuals that I know given up heterosexual passions for homosexual lusts. They have been homosexual from the moment of their earliest sexual stirrings. They did not change from one orientation to another; they just discovered that they were homosexual. It would be unnatural for most homosexuals to have heterosexual sex."

SMEDES: "And the homosexual people I know do not lust after each other any more than heterosexual people do... their love for one another is likely to be just as spiritual and personal as any heterosexual love can be."

Thank you, Dr. Smedes. (To get a copy of the video featuring Dr. Smedes, There's a Wideness in God's Mercy, visit www.soulforce.org.)

Getting to know a lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender person of faith will help you realize that it is unreasonable (and unjust) to compare our love for each other to the rituals of the priests and priestesses who pranced around the statues of Aphrodite and Diana. Once again, I feel certain this passage says a lot about God, but nothing about homosexuality as we understand it.

You'll also note that Romans 2 begins with "Therefore, [referring to Romans 1], you have no excuse, whoever you are, when you judge others; for in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself..." Even after he describes the disturbing practices he has seen, Paul warns us that judging others is God's business, not ours.

PASSAGES 5 AND 6
1 CORINTHIANS 6:9 AND 1 TIMOTHY 1:10
THE MYSTERY OF "MALOKOIS" AND "ARSENOKOITAI"

Now what do the writings of Paul in 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10 say, first, about God, and then about homosexuality? These are the last two places in the Bible that seem to refer to same-sex behavior. We can combine them because they are so similar.

Moses holding the ten commandmentsPaul is exasperated. The Christians in Ephesus and Corinth are fighting among themselves. (Sound familiar?) In Corinth they're even suing one another in secular courts. Paul shouts across the distance, "You are breaking God's heart by the way you are treating one another."

Like any good writer, Paul anticipates their first question: "Well, how are we supposed to treat one another?" Paul answers, "You know very well how to treat one another from the Jewish law written on tablets of stone."

The Jewish law was created by God to help regulate human behavior. To remind the churches in Corinth and Ephesus how God wants us to treat one another, Paul recites examples from the Jewish law first. Don't kill one another. Don't sleep with a person who is married to someone else. Don't lie or cheat or steal. The list goes on to include admonitions against fornication, idolatry, whoremongering, perjury, drunkenness, revelry, and extortion. He also includes "malokois" and "arsenokoitai."

Here's where the confusion begins. What's a malokois? What's an arsenokoitai? Actually, those two Greek words have confused scholars to this very day. We'll say more about them later, when we ask what the texts say about sex. But first let's see what the texts say about God.

After quoting from the Jewish law, Paul reminds the Christians in Corinth that they are under a new law: the law of Jesus, a law of love that requires us to do more than just avoid murder, adultery, lying, cheating, and stealing. Paul tells them what God wants is not strict adherence to a list of laws, but a pure heart, a good conscience, and a faith that isn't phony.

That's the lesson we all need to learn from these texts. God doesn't want us squabbling over who is "in" and who is "out." God wants us to love one another. It's God's task to judge us. It is NOT our task to judge one another.

So what do these two texts say about homosexuality? Are gays and lesbians on that list of sinners in the Jewish law that Paul quotes to make an entirely different point?

Greek scholars say that in first century the Greek word malaokois probably meant "effeminate call boys." The New Revised Standard Version says "male prostitutes."

As for arsenokoitai, Greek scholars don't know exactly what it means -- and the fact that we don't know is a big part of this tragic debate. Some scholars believe Paul was coining a name to refer to the customers of "the effeminate call boys." We might call them "dirty old men." Others translate the word as "sodomites," but never explain what that means.

In 1958, for the first time in history, a person translating that mysterious Greek word into English decided it meant homosexuals, even though there is, in fact, no such word in Greek or Hebrew. But that translator made the decision for all of us that placed the word homosexual in the English-language Bible for the very first time.

In the past, people used Paul's writings to support slavery, segregation, and apartheid. People still use Paul's writings to oppress women and limit their role in the home, in church, and in society.

Now we have to ask ourselves, "Is it happening again?" Is a word in Greek that has no clear definition being used to reflect society's prejudice and condemn God's gay children?

We all need to look more closely at that mysterious Greek word arsenokoitai in its original context. I find most convincing the argument from history that Paul is condemning the married men who hired hairless young boys (malakois) for sexual pleasure just as they hired smooth-skinned young girls for that purpose.

Responsible homosexuals would join Paul in condemning anyone who uses children for sex, just as we would join anyone else in condemning the threatened gang rape in Sodom or the behavior of the sex-crazed priests and priestesses in Rome. So, once again, I am convinced that this passage says a lot about God, but nothing about homosexuality as we understand it today.
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In the last 48 hours Q has stated a very different view of being gay.............. he has stated it is a sin and quotes the bible.......... and said that it is a demon that needs to be "dealt with"
He says its unnatural and it will stop me from asending.
He seems to make a differentation towards being straight and gay....... and in truth seems to place way to high a percentage in truth towards the scriptures.
He does not appear to believe it is genetic but is a stubmbling block.
He seems to be saying that unless I cease............ i will not be able to asend.

As you can see............ being gay............. this is a challenge to me
Bruce


A man who loved another man walked up to the lord and said to him is it ok I love this man, the lord said you may love him but do not lust for him, for he is your brother but so are all those around you, the man said can we be in marriage and make love and lord said no for if all did such there would be no new life for that is not the nature of things, the man confused asked why lord do you say such judgement on me and lord says to him I am not judging you but telling you of the law in which is, for to love is to accept all not only that which is your preference in sex.

This parable is saying that if all in world where to be Gay then no life would be created for it is against nature that man be with man and women be with women, for even accepting it once places in eyes of others that it is ok to be but in truth is it a perversion of the flesh.


This "parable" as you call it isn't a parable at all. You made it up. And your attempt to be 'wise' is laughable.

Didn't you say that you contracted a disease through your sexual exploits? You also said that this disease was going to kill you by age 30. I believe that you even inferred that you yourself are gay.

What you wrote above sounds not like a parable but a conversation you had with what you thought to be "God"...but sounds more like your guilty conscience speaking back to you. Either that or the false god, YHWH, speaking to/through you.


For behold to love truely is to accept all sexs not make a choice of loving one for know this that the seven deadly sins are real and each has a demon/unclean spirit attached and so too do these infuelence the flesh but can not enter those who are of the spirit of the Father 'Holyspirit'. As it is writen in the law so shall it be done, all else is a lie of satan for remember Sodom which shall repeat...

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You are not God the Creator of All. If you were or even had the slightest amount of insight bestowed to you by the Creator, then you'd know that Sodom was not destroyed by the Creator but by YHWH. And it wasn't for any type of sexual "sin". What Bruce posted on Sodom is accurate and true. Ezekiel, who supposedly met God and traveled with Him, says it very simply:

Ezekiel 16:48-49 tell us: "This is the sin of Sodom; she and her suburbs had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not help or encourage the poor and needy. They were arrogant and this was abominable in God's eyes."


By the measure in which thee judge so shall thee be judged.

A twisted tongue which speaks only decieves many further, Satan leave this place of teaching.

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How many times have you judged people on this thread and on this forum? How often have we heard you call people who might challenge your words or your information, "son of the devil"? And now you call me Satan - with a capital "S", even! Oy vey.

To the person who channels the Quorum: Much information that you have shared, especially early on in this thread, has been helpful and accurate. We watched you on your journey and engaged with you in conversation from the beginning. But now it must be concluded that you have given into an extreme form of narcissism. Your message has been corrupted by the power you have found. This is a common trap for those still too young to seek. I will hold you in your highest light in hopes that you will find your way out of the dark quagmire of the Ego that you now abide in.

To the Quorum: Like many false teachers that have come before you, you shared much 'truthful' information. But now you have shown yourself(s) as to who you are. Your agenda has caught up with you and it is visible to those "with the eyes to see". (Mixing truth with lies is an old and tiresome game...but it obviously still works to some degree, eh?) You have called yourself God, El Elyon, Adonai, Christ, and Jeshua/Jehoshua. What does "Jehoshua/Jeshua" mean? "Salvation through Yahweh" or "Salvation by Yahweh". So it must further be concluded that you - the entity or entities that operate through this person - are doing so on behalf of Yahweh/YHWH - YHWH who is the blind and boastful demi-god of the Archons. The jig is up. Your gig is done. Go back to the Logos from which you originated. Tell YHWH that it ain't going to work this time.


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ROMANS 1:26-27
NATURAL AND UNNATURAL

What does Romans 1:26-27 say about God?

For our discussion, this is the most controversial biblical passage of them all. In Romans 1:26-27 the apostle Paul describes non-Jewish women who exchange "natural use for unnatural" and non-Jewish men who "leave the natural use of women, working shame with each other."

This verse appears to be clear: Paul sees women having sex with women and men having sex with men, and he condemns that practice. But let's go back 2,000 years and try to understand why.

Paul is writing this letter to Rome after his missionary tour of the Mediterranean. On his journey Paul had seen great temples built to honor Aphrodite, Diana, and other fertility gods and goddesses of sex and passion instead of the one true God the apostle honors. Apparently, these priests and priestesses engaged in some odd sexual behaviors -- including castrating themselves, carrying on drunken sexual orgies, and even having sex with young temple prostitutes (male and female) -- all to honor the gods of sex and pleasure.

The Bible is clear that sexuality is a gift from God. Our Creator celebrates our passion. But the Bible is also clear that when passion gets control of our lives, we're in deep trouble.

When we live for pleasure, when we forget that we are God's children and that God has great dreams for our lives, we may end up serving the false gods of sex and passion, just as they did in Paul's time. In our obsession with pleasure, we may even walk away from the God who created us -- and in the process we may cause God to abandon all the great dreams God has for our lives.

Did these priests and priestesses get into these behaviors because they were lesbian or gay? I don't think so. Did God abandon them because they were practicing homosexuals? No. Read the text again.

In our Soulforce video, There's a Wideness in God's Mercy, the Rev. Dr. Louis B. Smedes, a distinguished Christian author and ethicist, describes exactly how the Bible says these promiscuous priests and priestesses got into this mess. Once again it has nothing to do with homosexuality:

SMEDES: "The people Paul had in mind refused to acknowledge and worship God, and for this reason were abandoned by God. And being abandoned by God, they sank into sexual depravity."

SMEDES: "The homosexuals I know have not rejected God at all; they love God and they thank God for his grace and his gifts. How, then, could they have been abandoned to homosexuality as a punishment for refusing to acknowledge God?"

SMEDES: "Nor have the homosexuals that I know given up heterosexual passions for homosexual lusts. They have been homosexual from the moment of their earliest sexual stirrings. They did not change from one orientation to another; they just discovered that they were homosexual. It would be unnatural for most homosexuals to have heterosexual sex."

SMEDES: "And the homosexual people I know do not lust after each other any more than heterosexual people do... their love for one another is likely to be just as spiritual and personal as any heterosexual love can be."


Thank you, Dr. Smedes. (To get a copy of the video featuring Dr. Smedes, There's a Wideness in God's Mercy, visit www.soulforce.org.)

Getting to know a lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender person of faith will help you realize that it is unreasonable (and unjust) to compare our love for each other to the rituals of the priests and priestesses who pranced around the statues of Aphrodite and Diana. Once again, I feel certain this passage says a lot about God, but nothing about homosexuality as we understand it.

You'll also note that Romans 2 begins with "Therefore, [referring to Romans 1], you have no excuse, whoever you are, when you judge others; for in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself..." Even after he describes the disturbing practices he has seen, Paul warns us that judging others is God's business, not ours.

PASSAGES 5 AND 6
1 CORINTHIANS 6:9 AND 1 TIMOTHY 1:10
THE MYSTERY OF "MALOKOIS" AND "ARSENOKOITAI"

Now what do the writings of Paul in 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10 say, first, about God, and then about homosexuality? These are the last two places in the Bible that seem to refer to same-sex behavior. We can combine them because they are so similar.

Moses holding the ten commandmentsPaul is exasperated. The Christians in Ephesus and Corinth are fighting among themselves. (Sound familiar?) In Corinth they're even suing one another in secular courts. Paul shouts across the distance, "You are breaking God's heart by the way you are treating one another."

Like any good writer, Paul anticipates their first question: "Well, how are we supposed to treat one another?" Paul answers, "You know very well how to treat one another from the Jewish law written on tablets of stone."

The Jewish law was created by God to help regulate human behavior. To remind the churches in Corinth and Ephesus how God wants us to treat one another, Paul recites examples from the Jewish law first. Don't kill one another. Don't sleep with a person who is married to someone else. Don't lie or cheat or steal. The list goes on to include admonitions against fornication, idolatry, whoremongering, perjury, drunkenness, revelry, and extortion. He also includes "malokois" and "arsenokoitai."

Here's where the confusion begins. What's a malokois? What's an arsenokoitai? Actually, those two Greek words have confused scholars to this very day. We'll say more about them later, when we ask what the texts say about sex. But first let's see what the texts say about God.

After quoting from the Jewish law, Paul reminds the Christians in Corinth that they are under a new law: the law of Jesus, a law of love that requires us to do more than just avoid murder, adultery, lying, cheating, and stealing. Paul tells them what God wants is not strict adherence to a list of laws, but a pure heart, a good conscience, and a faith that isn't phony.

That's the lesson we all need to learn from these texts. God doesn't want us squabbling over who is "in" and who is "out." God wants us to love one another. It's God's task to judge us. It is NOT our task to judge one another.

So what do these two texts say about homosexuality? Are gays and lesbians on that list of sinners in the Jewish law that Paul quotes to make an entirely different point?

Greek scholars say that in first century the Greek word malaokois probably meant "effeminate call boys." The New Revised Standard Version says "male prostitutes."

As for arsenokoitai, Greek scholars don't know exactly what it means -- and the fact that we don't know is a big part of this tragic debate. Some scholars believe Paul was coining a name to refer to the customers of "the effeminate call boys." We might call them "dirty old men." Others translate the word as "sodomites," but never explain what that means.

In 1958, for the first time in history, a person translating that mysterious Greek word into English decided it meant homosexuals, even though there is, in fact, no such word in Greek or Hebrew. But that translator made the decision for all of us that placed the word homosexual in the English-language Bible for the very first time.

In the past, people used Paul's writings to support slavery, segregation, and apartheid. People still use Paul's writings to oppress women and limit their role in the home, in church, and in society.

Now we have to ask ourselves, "Is it happening again?" Is a word in Greek that has no clear definition being used to reflect society's prejudice and condemn God's gay children?

We all need to look more closely at that mysterious Greek word arsenokoitai in its original context. I find most convincing the argument from history that Paul is condemning the married men who hired hairless young boys (malakois) for sexual pleasure just as they hired smooth-skinned young girls for that purpose.

Responsible homosexuals would join Paul in condemning anyone who uses children for sex, just as we would join anyone else in condemning the threatened gang rape in Sodom or the behavior of the sex-crazed priests and priestesses in Rome. So, once again, I am convinced that this passage says a lot about God, but nothing about homosexuality as we understand it today.
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Thank you for posting this, Bruce. I'm glad you found that website helpful.

The Quorum has been wrong before and is blatantly wrong on this this topic.
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Q as a gay male I find you negative. you say that a gay man cannot be a spiritual being capable of love? A gay male cannot meditate to peace of mind? Q , you are saying a male homosexual is unsuperior to the creator god? I can only laugh at your discriminating negative vibration.
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are they controlling our weather via means of energy-absorption?
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Q as a gay male I find you negative. you say that a gay man cannot be a spiritual being capable of love? A gay male cannot meditate to peace of mind? Q , you are saying a male homosexual is unsuperior to the creator god? I can only laugh at your discriminating negative vibration.
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No we say that those of Gay and lezbian can not enter heaven while being so, we did not say you can not achieve human love, but divine love is difficult for all mankind for they know not the Father.

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In the last 48 hours Q has stated a very different view of being gay.............. he has stated it is a sin and quotes the bible.......... and said that it is a demon that needs to be "dealt with"
He says its unnatural and it will stop me from asending.
He seems to make a differentation towards being straight and gay....... and in truth seems to place way to high a percentage in truth towards the scriptures.
He does not appear to believe it is genetic but is a stubmbling block.
He seems to be saying that unless I cease............ i will not be able to asend.

As you can see............ being gay............. this is a challenge to me
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Why do you accept...or create...challenges in your life, Bruce?

Why does anyone?



"Demons are just angels in disguise, here to help us let go of our attachments".




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Demons are here to destroy you make you fail so that you may be consumed by the Anti God so that Satan may wrap his tail around you and sink his fangs into your Soul. Do not presume such things as demons are angels in disguise they are eternal enermys nor shall either perish and at times shall they clash even for the eyes of man to see.

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In all your infinite wisdom...you aren't too up on metaphor, are you?!

Bruce's sexuality is a challenge to him. Or... his desire to resolve his sexuality with his spiritual beliefs is more-so the challenge. This is the 'demon' that is meant. And by engaging in this challenge, by being earnest and open to truth...by and through gnosis...he will find (or, more likely, already has found) the truth and he will find that his 'demon' actually helped him to find that truth. Hence, this challenge, this 'demon', can be viewed as an angel.

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That which untruth so shall we expose and that which is truth so shall we support, There is much people are not aware off so it is best that do not speak on matters they do not know.

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Q as a gay male I find you negative. you say that a gay man cannot be a spiritual being capable of love? A gay male cannot meditate to peace of mind? Q , you are saying a male homosexual is unsuperior to the creator god? I can only laugh at your discriminating negative vibration.


No we say that those of Gay and lezbian can not enter heaven while being so, we did not say you can not achieve human love, but divine love is difficult for all mankind for they know not the Father.

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Are you saying now q, that 4D STO is what we call heaven?
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Q as a gay male I find you negative. you say that a gay man cannot be a spiritual being capable of love? A gay male cannot meditate to peace of mind? Q , you are saying a male homosexual is unsuperior to the creator god? I can only laugh at your discriminating negative vibration.


No we say that those of Gay and lezbian can not enter heaven while being so, we did not say you can not achieve human love, but divine love is difficult for all mankind for they know not the Father.

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“Dear Saint-Germain, I am a professional instructor and athletic coach. I love teaching, and I enjoy helping others discover their creative energies. Over my lifetime, I have changed in many ways, including discovering that I am gay. As a young man, I kept this hidden from myself because I needed to conform to the expectations of others. Now I am divorced from my wife and I am happily partnered with the man I love.

However, my former wife does not agree with my lifestyle choice, or with my partner, and she does not wish me to have a life with him and my children at the same time. I have a strong desire to continue with this new relationship and my career, too. I also want to be a caring father. But their mother demands that this take place without the influence of my partner around the children, or the reality of my choice to share my life with this man. What can I do? I feel pressured by everyone, so please help. I look forward to your words. Thank you.”

Hello dear friend. This is Saint-Germain here with you, along with Alexandra. We would like to welcome you to this safe and sacred space – a place where you can let the Truth of your Divinity permeate your life. Remember always that you are a Child of God, and God also. This IS the Truth About You.

Who Are You Really?

Yes, my friend, you have discovered yourself to be gay. You have expressed your desire to connect in a loving way with a person of the same sex. This has been a very important breakthrough in your life. Yet, it has also occupied much of your focus recently. So much, in fact, that it has affected your perspective on some other things that are equally important to you, as you've already mentioned to us.

I'm repeating this not because I'm trying to deny your breakthrough – for indeed, I am not. This has been a very important discovery. But I'm mentioning it instead, because it's important for you to look at things from a more expanded, balanced, and complete perspective of yourself now.

Until recently, you've been caught up in a strong, dualistic identity with regard to your sexual orientation; and this has been challenging.

You, along with many others who have discovered and proclaimed their same-sex orientation, can suddenly feel that you've moved from one side of the fence to the other. And this can be quite a shock. Exhilarating, yes. But disruptive to the normal flow of life at the same time.

This is because your gender identification and sexual preferences are part of the way you perceive yourself in the world. These exist at deeply conditioned levels, for better or worse, and this cannot be tampered with lightly, and certainly not without some repercussions. Even now, same-sex partnering is not accepted in most of the world – much to the sadness of those involved.

Right now, it's important for you to look at this change in lifestyle that you've had. To see it for what it is. Not for what you imagine it to be. This has not been about you going from heterosexual to homosexual. From having been a straight man to becoming a gay man.

Rather, it's been about remembering Who You Really Are, and claiming your Divine right to exercise sovereign authority over this.

You are here now to move beyond the feelings of conflict, guilt, and identity confusion that may have troubled you. You are here to get back to the beginning – back to the starting point. You are here on this planet to remember the Truth of your Divinity. To remember that you are a Child of God, and God also.

There is no greater Truth than this about you. And remembering this will correct any other misperceptions about you that you may have had.

Divinity Is Your Identity.

You see, your Soul and Creator are not concerned with any perspective you have that contradicts the reality of your Divinity – whether this be your gender, your sexual preference, your nationality – or your race, ethnicity, religious beliefs, or anything else. The only identity that has any fundamental or lasting relevance to your Soul is your Divinity. Any other way you may label or identify yourself is transitory. It changes from one incarnation to the next.

Your Soul encourages you to remember your Divine Identity, instead. You are a Child of God, and God also...This IS the Truth About You. And this fundamental Divinity is what you share with others, too.

As the world comes to remember this, then peace, tolerance, and loving acceptance will become more commonplace; and this will put an end to many of the injustices that have been committed here.

So we encourage you to move beyond any tendencies that you might have to mis-identify yourself now.

Move beyond the guilt of professing yourself to be your wife's husband, when this ceased to be an appropriate match for you. And move beyond the need to declare yourself a man's partner now, in order to counter those who say such a relationship is wrong for your children.

Rest comfortably, instead, in the remembrance of your Divinity. Rest in the knowledge of Who You Really Are. This Truth will bring you a deeper sense of peace, love, and acceptance, than you have ever known before.

Remember, it's not about denying who you once were, or who you are now. Instead, it's about embracing the integrity of your Wholeness, so you can express the unique blend of masculine and feminine energies within you.

In your case, you have come to a deeper understanding of your Soul's desire to express itself with the feminine flow. And just because you have chosen to experience this in a way that is unconventional for the majority of people, doesn't mean that there is anything unconventional about it at the core of your spiritual being.

At the core of you, you're still the same Soul-inspired individual that has incarnated in many lifetimes. The same Loving Being. In fact, you have always carried this potential for a wonderful flow of nurturing, feminine energy from one lifetime to the next. This genuine, sensitive energy has always been there to support others, whether you were male or female, gay, lesbian, or straight.

You have come into this particular lifetime with a mandate from your Soul to experience the nurturing and feminine flow of energy. But you have also come to meld it with another side of you, too, which is your masculine energy. And you are bringing these two together very well now, and by your own standards and choices – not according to the conventions and expectations of others. This is a wonderful example of living with spiritual sovereignty. Congratulations!

Sovereignty and Sexual Expression.

And this works for you very well in the job that you do as an athletic instructor, too. It works for you because you are able to bring that feminine nurturing energy into an activity that involves the masculine flow of energies. They flow very well together. This is a very good way for you to express yourself professionally. You are being encouraged by your Soul to continue this occupation for as long as you enjoy it.

But your Soul is also encouraging you to bring this same balancing of the masculine and feminine energies into other areas of your life, as well. You're encouraged to bring this balance into the relationships that you have with your current partner, your former wife, and your children, too.

As you start bringing the unique balance of your energies into other areas of your life, along with a continued remembrance of your Divinity, then you're going to find that much of your guilt and confusion start to subside, and that clarity about how you can handle these parts of your life will return.

Your partners, both past and present, have had a lot of influence on you. And because of this, you have let yourself be driven to decisions that you're not always happy with. Your Soul is encouraging you now to move away from this. To move away from making decisions that are based upon what others expect of you.

In fact, right now your real life-challenge is not about your sexual orientation. It's an issue of spiritual sovereignty, instead. It's about your Divine right to self determination along a path of love of your choosing.

So if you treat it as such, then again, much of your confusion will subside.

Remind yourself that within the vastness of your Divinity – which is your True Identity, – you are choosing your own path of love here on Earth. You are in a loving relationship with a man. Yet, you are also choosing to love your children as a caring father would. And this is important to you.

You are not required to sacrifice either of these on the altar of social convention. Instead, accept your sovereign right to choose a path of love that works for you; and then advocate for this with those you stand in relationship with... your current partner, your former wife, your children, and your family. Dare to bring the socially conventional and unconventional elements of your life together, if this feels right to you; and then find a balance that works for you.

Don't try to please others, just as a way to rid yourself of the guilt that you feel over your life choices. Let that go now. Just release it.

At the core, you know Who You Are. You understand your Divinity. Let that come out into the world now, and let that be the basis for your decisions. When you do, you will find that the relationships you have with your children, your current partner, and your former wife will function well enough. And you will be able to let them know in your own unique way, just how much you love them, and how much they are part of your life.

So this is basically our message for you today, and we encourage you to bring this understanding to the decisions that you are making now.

I'd like to thank you, my dear friend, for bravely choosing to walk a path of love, in spite of the challenges that you have faced as a gay man.

I AM Saint-Germain, and I am always here to support you.


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Hello Bruce and 'lunatic',

With all due respect, 'lunatic', what you say above - "Unhelpful is probably a better way to put it, due to the absence of opposite polarities during sexual union", is not entirely accurate. I believe that can be expanded upon.

It's been shown (google for info on the subject) that the brains of male and female homosexuals are physiologically different from those of their heterosexual counterparts. Most, but not all, people who identify as homosexual are born that way - it is genetic.


From a study done in 2008:

"When these results were collected, it was found that lesbians and heterosexual men shared a particular "asymmetry" in their hemisphere size, while heterosexual women and gay men had no difference between the size of the different halves of their brain.
In other words, structurally, at least, the brains of gay men were more like heterosexual women, and gay women more like heterosexual men.
A further experiment found that in one particular area of the brain, the amygdala, there were other significant differences.
In heterosexual men and gay women, there were more nerve "connections" in the right side of the amygdala, compared with the left.
The reverse, with more neural connections in the left amygdala, was the case in homosexual men and heterosexual women.
Dr Qazi Rahman, a lecturer in cognitive biology at Queen Mary, University of London, said that he believed that these brain differences were laid down early in fetal development.
"As far as I'm concerned there is no argument any more - if you are gay, you are born gay," he said.


[link to news.bbc.co.uk]


As discussed on this thread, as well as many others, the brain - it's size, it's functions, it's construction, and it's chemistry - is the vessel - the interface - that allows for a soul to be 'held'. Why would the size and construction of the brain of a male or female who is homosexually oriented be different from that of a male or female heterosexually oriented person?

Perhaps the answer to that question can shed light on your question, Bruce.

Let's look at what most Native American's thought regarding the subject. Many pre-contact tribes/societies in the America's held the belief that there are not just two sexes/souls/spirits, but three: female, male, and "twin-spirited" (a soul that is both male and female). Most of these "twin-spirited" people were held in high regard and lived as Shamans and medicine men/women. For some reason these men and women had an innate ability to converse with spirit much more readily than a 'single-spirited' person. Additionally, it's been historically noted that these 'twin-spirited' people performed different types of healings - some considered miraculous - some were able to see into the future, and were heralded as being able to 'see' and understand the 'bigger picture' with ease - to perceive and operate…and to draw upon - from both 'sides' of the dualistic persona. Their gifts they were born with and the same that they shared were wisdom, knowledge, insight, art, music, guidance, and empathy.

And this is where I offer, from my understanding, my answer to your question (this is a remedial account but should suffice):

Consciousness expanded from the origin and fragmented into an infinite number of expressions of the "Is". Everything, all expressions, had their opposites - light and dark, cold and hot, positive and negative, black and white, void and form, male and female, etc, etc. I think we would agree (in 3D vernacular) that 'light' has no meaning without 'dark' and male would have no meaning without female. So it seems that what we might call a 'whole' is made up of itself and it's opposite. A soul is thus whole. Think of the yin / yang symbol. Two opposing creating one. A circle. Balance. A soul is both male and female…and then so, a soul is neither male nor female (two opposing creating one…). But on this earth - this place where we interact within the fluctuating confines of the interface between the higher and lower dimensions - our souls divide into male and female fragments - a necessity - for the experience(s) - and for the lessons. And as 'lunatic' inferred, these are opposite polarities.

So a heterosexual man and a heterosexual woman are opposite polarities. But remember that there is polarity in the individual. In a male heterosexual the body is male - that's one pole, and the mind/soul is male - the other pole. Like a single magnet that has only a north pole. An heterosexual therefore has a single polarity and is oriented emotionally and sexually as such. And this fits 'lunatic's' statement about opposite polarities engaged in sexual union.

However….

What about homosexuals then? A male homosexual has a male body - that's one pole - the physical. And then his mind/soul is the other pole…but it is female in essence (as the research above suggests). And this fits perfectly with the Native American belief/observation that there is a third 'soul' - one which embodies both the male and female aspects of the original / non-3D whole soul. And that's one theory - that a female soul abides in a male body (and likewise, a male soul abides in a female body) and the result is what is termed, "homosexual" (although we both know that that is a limiting term - one only invented in the last 100 years - and that "homosexuals" are also emotional, intellectual, and spiritual beings…and not just sexual).

The other theory that is discussed in circles where such things are discussed is….that the two aspects of the soul (male and female), both of the original pre/post 3D whole soul, abide in one body; that after their long journey of reincarnations over many lifetimes as two separate polarities, they, on their journey back to 'home', have come together in union to live as one - in one body - in this 3D realm.

So the only question I have is whether theory 1 or theory 2 is correct. The spiritual ramifications and connotations of either is very interesting. But that aside, if the brain of homosexual men is so similar to that of heterosexual women and the brain of homosexual women is similar to that of heterosexual men, then it seems that the first theory would be appropriate. Perhaps both theories apply.

Homosexual acts didn't get a lot of air time in the Bible. There's only 6 verses or so that take on the subject…but those are vague at best and most are misinterpreted from their original meanings. (Look here for a very good discussion on the topic: [link to www.soulforce.org] )

I think the bottom line for me is this, Bruce: Sex is sex. Sexuality doesn't really matter in the bigger picture. But like the song says, "It ain't what you do, it's the way that you do it": Intent matters. Integrity matters. Respect matters. Love and compassion matter. And all resulting actions matter. I read a lot of the section of the site that 'lunatic' shared. There's good stuff there. One thing it does say (and I agree with wholeheartedly) is that sex is fine to experience and practice…as long as we are not attached to any aspects of the act. That's the crux and the part that most people don't get - heterosexual or homosexual. Attachment to anything will hold us 'back'.

And I'll quote 'lunatic; one more time here: "…if you are to enter the Kingdom, you will have to, in the blink of an eye, release all attachments, including sexual attachments and desires, otherwise you won't be able to enter the narrow gate".

I hope this helps.

And little PS here: Please don't dismiss my (or anyone's) questions to the Quorum on his/her/their behalf anymore. Telling me that my questions regarding god/God, YHWH, El Elyon, etc, had been answered in previous pages and suggesting that I do some "research" is inappropriate. The Quorum's answers and perspectives on many different subjects have changed throughout the past few years of this thread. I asked my question in earnest wanting to know what the current views on this/these are.

And a PPS: You said in your previous post, "Interesting but not essential.......... many people use all sorts of levels of surrender to lower the ego........... Interesting the Q was also shortened to a single letter as well.......... is it not?" The Quorum didn't shorten their name to "Q"….eh? No. You were the first to use that abbreviation…and are one of the few that do use "Q" rather than "Quorum". (The) Quorum doesn't use "Q". Thought I would point that out.

Peace to you, Bruce! And gratitude to you, 'lunatic', for your participation and contributions!
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It's actually a little more complicated than this as it is also karmic. People who are gay have spent a number of life times heading in this direction and are working through issues just like everyone. The point about it not being helpful is that like it or not, two people of the same polarity cannot use their God given energies in the same was a heterosexual couple can ( please note that heterosexuality is not a guarantee for using Gods energy correctly, just that the potential is there). Two people of the same polarity cannot create life. Having said all of this, all people have to resolve the issue of sexual attraction. Masturbation is also unhelpful as the energy released from the act goes where??? just out into the ethers and feeds unholy entities which by the way encourage you to masturbate so that they can feed still further. Meanwhile, your energy is depleted and then you are less able to serve God and others. Dark side wins again.

We are so disadvantaged down here and not on a level playing field. Without right knowledge, how can anyone know how to work with Spirit rather than against Spirit? I feel for you Bruce. I am not Gay but have certainly found sexual desire to be the portal through which evil has entered in and brought about suffering. I posted the realjesus site ( will the real jesus please stand up?) because I found the information there regarding correct sexual relations (which is also very much about attitude ie why do you have sex?) helpful and liberating.

Once again, may you find the answers and peace that you are deserving of.
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In the last 48 hours Q has stated a very different view of being gay.............. he has stated it is a sin and quotes the bible.......... and said that it is a demon that needs to be "dealt with"
He says its unnatural and it will stop me from asending.
He seems to make a differentation towards being straight and gay....... and in truth seems to place way to high a percentage in truth towards the scriptures.
He does not appear to believe it is genetic but is a stubmbling block.
He seems to be saying that unless I cease............ i will not be able to asend.

As you can see............ being gay............. this is a challenge to me
Bruce



Why do you accept...or create...challenges in your life, Bruce?

Why does anyone?



"Demons are just angels in disguise, here to help us let go of our attachments".

Hi AM,

You have said many kind and encouraging words Master Mallard, however, i feel to disagree with your last statement. Any help that a demon gives is consequential and not intentional. There is no intentional help, although the suffering brought about through their interaction may drive a person to seek answers to their pain and thus, find the path and eventually salvation. Demons ( Aeons) are created out of selfish desire and cannot serve otherwise unlike their masters, fallen angels (Archons) who can ( I have seen this) and will return to the Father eventually ( Source has infinite patience).

My apologies if I have misunderstood you.


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Demons ( Aeons) are created out of selfish desire and cannot serve otherwise unlike their masters, fallen angels (Archons) who can ( I have seen this) and will return to the Father eventually ( Source has infinite patience).
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Could you please share the difference between Aeons and Archons, it is the first time it had been differentiated on this forum. Also the concept of being demonic has to be related to the time of the "war in heaven". The losers of a war are being made demonic by victors. This is not so clear cut in earth encounters.
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Our site was around 65% truth, New call is around 75%, we removed ours because of too direct as secrets got revealed in coding and other forms which the heavens do not want revealed at this time so hence we are now adjusting and what will return shall be 100%, when time comes of this to be publically shared we shall tell you for now be payient as this new site shall have many answers including prophercy of future as it shall play out as writen.

Manys wars are to come soon and from those wars on blood and tears shall the Anti Christ arise I are not permited yet to know who it is.

Bear with me because of the shifting occuring Satan and his empire 'Draconian empire' has been attacking me non stop I have had to go into seclusion for a time and will go back in again because only in scripture/prayer/fasting can I overcome the beasts attacks for many powerful beings are trying at this time to prevent.

But take confort in this knowing that soon shall many wonders arise in world and the time of the lord is coming and so too shall all be given equal opportunity to repent and become as is required to enter the heavens in which no one shall suffer nor hunger or thrist or do without again. For earth is the kingdom of beast and soon so too shall it resemble what the prophets spoke and soo too shall justice be given for all sins done and so shall the woes be delivered unto those of the wicked for as it is writen so shall it be.

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What do mean that your site was around 65% truth and ours was around 75%? Where were the lies? A half truth is a half lie. I did not discern any distortions on your site, only a lack of integration which impacts on the ability of the message to be understood by the reader. As I have said earlier, the New Call site was aimed at advanced Servers ( those whom had already achieved Christ Consciousness in the past - likely in another, older part of the galaxy) and had come to earth in answer to The Call, to serve and assist humanity at this end of the cycle. Of course what is available on the website and to the public was a stepped down version of what was available to those whom where found to vibrate at a sufficiently higher level. Those teachings were not released to the public due to the capacity of the higher gnosis to burn those whom are simply seeking more intellectual knowledge. A prime rule is that higher information should not be released unless one demonstrates a certain "signature", otherwise damage can be done and karma incurred for those involved and this is not the time to accrue more karma! Many a Server has become lost down here trying to do the right thing. I hope this is taken into consideration when you return with your 100% truth.

As for the attacks, I too have suffered many attacks but have learnt that for an attack to be successful, I must have a corresponding vibrationary foothold within my auric shield, that the evil can resonate with. Otherwise, the attack could not bring about suffering.

The following is a response to an email that the owner of the New Call site provided some years ago..

Do you also experience aggression from the invisible worlds? How to protect ourselves?

A. Always. But the clouds pass swiftly because I do not struggle with the opposing forces, but instead - and in understanding well the nature of this world and the Law of Cause and Effect - I ignore them. "Resist not evil." - Jesus.

It is not wisest to think in terms of 'protection'. What part of your Self (the One) do you feel that you need to protect or segregate yourself from? Remember, Love is the greatest protector and benefactor for all. Love requires no protection; it does not think in this way. Only fear thinks in terms of protecting itself, hence, since like attracts like, fear opens itself wide for psychic attack.

There was once an abbot of a Tibetan Buddhist monastery who decided to clairvoyantly observe two of his monks as they took part in a public chanting. He watched as the first monk, realising that he was surrounded by the dense and desirous thought-forms of the general public, created an astral and etheric shell around himself which appeared like a very fine crystal auric field and prevented anything of a lower vibration from entering his personal consciousness.

The abbot then turned his penetrating gaze upon the second monk. He noticed how this other monk, in his selfless devotion, had a pure white vertical link with divine realms through his crown chakra as he was simultaneously radiating a beautiful pink and blue light all around himself, blessing others in the group yet without necessarily being conscious of such a positive side effect of his devotions.

The abbot concluded that the second monk was actually far better protected and much more advanced in his methods of chanting and worship than the first.

The abbot would have concluded thus because personally-constructed protective fields are limited in that they are only effective in proportion to the personal development of the individual who creates them, and they last only as long as the personal will of the individual has the strength to maintain them. Whereas the second type of 'protection', being fed by inexhaustible divine energy, would have been infinitely more powerful and not prone to wane as long as the monk held fast to his selfless devotion which, as far as the sincere personality is concerned, is as relatively effortless as it is joyful.

Union is harmony and strength. But before we can qualify for group-communion with the Christ-Hierarchy and to thereby partake in all the advantages of such divine solidarity, we must prove our worth alone and in darkness. This is what Isaiah was speaking of when he wrote about "the treasures of darkness".

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Demons ( Aeons) are created out of selfish desire and cannot serve otherwise unlike their masters, fallen angels (Archons) who can ( I have seen this) and will return to the Father eventually ( Source has infinite patience).


Could you please share the difference between Aeons and Archons, it is the first time it had been differentiated on this forum. Also the concept of being demonic has to be related to the time of the "war in heaven". The losers of a war are being made demonic by victors. This is not so clear cut in earth encounters.
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Very briefly, an Aeon is an unholy creation brought into existence by the thoughts and desires of humanity. Whereas a single man may through the process of desire create a thought form that has minimal radiatory potency (influence), a crowd of people ( think football stadium full of fans) through the law of synergy can create an unholy being that comes to life and then seeks to maintain itself through feeding on the energy of it's creator. Hence crowds are driven to a frenzy through winning and losing as this produces more ether bleedings ( food) for the Aeon. Aeons brought into creation through religion are the most powerful ( as they have the most followers - hence the drive to convert people). These beings are of particular interest to Archons ( original fallen angels) as they can be manipulated to do the Archons work. Beyond this, it would not be wise to comment further in a public forum except to say, be mindful of your desires and of your thoughts.
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Very briefly, an Aeon is an unholy creation brought into existence by the thoughts and desires of humanity. Whereas a single man may through the process of desire create a thought form that has minimal radiatory potency (influence), a crowd of people ( think football stadium full of fans) through the law of synergy can create an unholy being that comes to life and then seeks to maintain itself through feeding on the energy of it's creator. Hence crowds are driven to a frenzy through winning and losing as this produces more ether bleedings ( food) for the Aeon. Aeons brought into creation through religion are the most powerful ( as they have the most followers - hence the drive to convert people). These beings are of particular interest to Archons ( original fallen angels) as they can be manipulated to do the Archons work. Beyond this, it would not be wise to comment further in a public forum except to say, be mindful of your desires and of your thoughts.
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Good to note, because usually the mind entities created and maintained by the worship of people are being called Archons. The serpents or druids at the biblical time are being called aeon, that's why you get the name aeon Sophia.
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We shall reveal something to you for you think on hard, the Devil has 50% right to your flesh as does God so many of your actions/thoughts in your flesh in this world are infuelenced by those of the underworlds. We will in time be revealing the only source in world 100% truth on things but you must be payient, know this that the adversarys best tool is to mix truths with lies and to distort things further, for you to recieve this new water to come you must all empty your cup as have I been doing for I have read much and now must empty it but from what ive read I forseen its deceptions and never did I stop looking for answers, know that what comes new shall be witness to truth and is a rare things in a world of lies.

All we have taught you also must you forget for a time as learn what comes new so as does it not conflict, but what we taught you has more truth than most but also distortions, we will be explaining things more deeply soon more so than any before.

We say to all who read this find your faith in the Father in heaven and his angels shall guide you in life, for this world you are in now is not what it seems it is more closer to hell than heaven at present and may very well become it for a time and you will need to find the light when things get dark and learn to see without eyes.

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I must since in this post say this to all, that site suggested we do not support at all. For remember serpents are wise in how they hunt as well so too can satan be a angel of light.

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So you are saying that a demon (satan) can disguise itself as an angel.

Hmmm.

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We are telling you yes and it is decreed by heaven that no true angel shall ever visit a person in conscious experience unless they themself have the faith to allow for a conduit to open in sky and a physical angel come through which shall shake their hand, for at present satan can not take physical form as of yet but will in future once certain things occur.

We tell you now that all channeling sources online all information coming into this world at this time is becoming distorted for none has the pure heart to discern the truth as of yet and many are decieved by demons of underworld which call themself beings of the light a example is Saint Germain; this shocks the one who posts but we shall explain it is known by them in underworld that if they can convince the world sin is ok that it is part of Gods design that they shall gain more rights over their soul, so they words things to decieve a unpure heart from discerning them and hence people listen to what they want to hear rather than what is truth 'because it sounds good'. Such as the true lesson is to learn to discern in spirit and allow the Father in heaven through faith to guide thee.

We shall use the issue bruce brought up as a example, when you are young the underworld entitys can abduct you and altered your genetic coding/wire your brain to make you desire certain things and inturn change the balance of energy present within you of masculine and femine, this is a deception to alter the natural programming of the Father which is the way of lifes creation as it was done in beginning. So we are indeed saying this that a unclean spirit is within those who have followed the programming of desires and one such obvious is Gay and Lezbian in which Satan at present is working to get the world to accept for the holyspirit can not enter one who is within such a state and Satan knows this, for it is a obomination in eyes of the Father and a sin so those who go with it are accepting Satan which ends in consequence once he reveals himself and claims that which is his.

So by me telling bruce what I now know was to give him the opportunity to realise he is not truely Gay but is being told he is from tampering by the Underworld so that he continues to sin in his desires and become owned by them, for they know that they can claim a soul who falls enough in sin even when that soul dies in this world some become stuck in the underworlds, it is extremely important people learn how underworld operates in the world and begin to master yourself, discern your mind deeply and your emotions and with heart purifity so it may guide you in spirit of the Father which is truth.

Now you have all been shown how cunning a serpent is, and why it says that serpents are wise for they the underworld know very well how to make you choose to sin, some of the underworld works amongst you as lightworkers telling you their is no sin and you are already divine like you must not urn anything, but truth is most are fallen angels which have been stuck in these lower realms for centrys upon centrys.

All sin when realised and repented can be forgiven, but karma must be absolved. I took some sin upon myself in my ignorance in life to understand it and to figure out it but never fully gave into it mostly it was in my mind but this was so that I could help those lost in sin for how can I help one if I myself have not overcome it myself I would be a hypocrit know this now the last burden in my way of ascension is almost overcome, Satan is making much efforts against me at this time and will try use some of you know that he can and learn to discern him for when I told you 'Satan leave this place of teaching' I was revealing how he operates even in you and why you write as you wrote.

I have already forgiven all who has insulted me over the years who has doubted me and has acted impropiately infront of me, accept this forgiveness so that you may be healed and allow my spirit to become part of you it is pouring into this world now for all who can accept it. For those in darkness can not see what is right infront of them, they require a light to reveal to them what is unseen to them, for they know not what they do.

I will tell you all now if you listen to me I shall give you a world in which you shall know true bliss, I shall bring you to a kingdom in which you shall be eternal in which you shall know true joy. For this world you live in now is not of the perfect creation of the Father and what you will be offered soon will be a opportunity to return into a heavenly world.

Feel my words and know where it comes from in your heart you will all know me, for even that which is the serpents do I offer my love too for I shall continue to help all until even Satan himself repents in eternity.

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Our site was around 65% truth, New call is around 75%, we removed ours because of too direct as secrets got revealed in coding and other forms which the heavens do not want revealed at this time so hence we are now adjusting and what will return shall be 100%, when time comes of this to be publically shared we shall tell you for now be payient as this new site shall have many answers including prophercy of future as it shall play out as writen.

Manys wars are to come soon and from those wars on blood and tears shall the Anti Christ arise I are not permited yet to know who it is.

Bear with me because of the shifting occuring Satan and his empire 'Draconian empire' has been attacking me non stop I have had to go into seclusion for a time and will go back in again because only in scripture/prayer/fasting can I overcome the beasts attacks for many powerful beings are trying at this time to prevent.

But take confort in this knowing that soon shall many wonders arise in world and the time of the lord is coming and so too shall all be given equal opportunity to repent and become as is required to enter the heavens in which no one shall suffer nor hunger or thrist or do without again. For earth is the kingdom of beast and soon so too shall it resemble what the prophets spoke and soo too shall justice be given for all sins done and so shall the woes be delivered unto those of the wicked for as it is writen so shall it be.

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What do mean that your site was around 65% truth and ours was around 75%? Where were the lies? A half truth is a half lie. I did not discern any distortions on your site, only a lack of integration which impacts on the ability of the message to be understood by the reader. As I have said earlier, the New Call site was aimed at advanced Servers ( those whom had already achieved Christ Consciousness in the past - likely in another, older part of the galaxy) and had come to earth in answer to The Call, to serve and assist humanity at this end of the cycle. Of course what is available on the website and to the public was a stepped down version of what was available to those whom where found to vibrate at a sufficiently higher level. Those teachings were not released to the public due to the capacity of the higher gnosis to burn those whom are simply seeking more intellectual knowledge. A prime rule is that higher information should not be released unless one demonstrates a certain "signature", otherwise damage can be done and karma incurred for those involved and this is not the time to accrue more karma! Many a Server has become lost down here trying to do the right thing. I hope this is taken into consideration when you return with your 100% truth.

As for the attacks, I too have suffered many attacks but have learnt that for an attack to be successful, I must have a corresponding vibrationary foothold within my auric shield, that the evil can resonate with. Otherwise, the attack could not bring about suffering.

The following is a response to an email that the owner of the New Call site provided some years ago..

Do you also experience aggression from the invisible worlds? How to protect ourselves?

A. Always. But the clouds pass swiftly because I do not struggle with the opposing forces, but instead - and in understanding well the nature of this world and the Law of Cause and Effect - I ignore them. "Resist not evil." - Jesus.

It is not wisest to think in terms of 'protection'. What part of your Self (the One) do you feel that you need to protect or segregate yourself from? Remember, Love is the greatest protector and benefactor for all. Love requires no protection; it does not think in this way. Only fear thinks in terms of protecting itself, hence, since like attracts like, fear opens itself wide for psychic attack.

There was once an abbot of a Tibetan Buddhist monastery who decided to clairvoyantly observe two of his monks as they took part in a public chanting. He watched as the first monk, realising that he was surrounded by the dense and desirous thought-forms of the general public, created an astral and etheric shell around himself which appeared like a very fine crystal auric field and prevented anything of a lower vibration from entering his personal consciousness.

The abbot then turned his penetrating gaze upon the second monk. He noticed how this other monk, in his selfless devotion, had a pure white vertical link with divine realms through his crown chakra as he was simultaneously radiating a beautiful pink and blue light all around himself, blessing others in the group yet without necessarily being conscious of such a positive side effect of his devotions.

The abbot concluded that the second monk was actually far better protected and much more advanced in his methods of chanting and worship than the first.

The abbot would have concluded thus because personally-constructed protective fields are limited in that they are only effective in proportion to the personal development of the individual who creates them, and they last only as long as the personal will of the individual has the strength to maintain them. Whereas the second type of 'protection', being fed by inexhaustible divine energy, would have been infinitely more powerful and not prone to wane as long as the monk held fast to his selfless devotion which, as far as the sincere personality is concerned, is as relatively effortless as it is joyful.

Union is harmony and strength. But before we can qualify for group-communion with the Christ-Hierarchy and to thereby partake in all the advantages of such divine solidarity, we must prove our worth alone and in darkness. This is what Isaiah was speaking of when he wrote about "the treasures of darkness".

peace....
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Indeed but remember even gnosis is distorted, what im sharing now is not my words but what the Father wants shared, All one needs do is align in truth and evil can not harm in lies this is what we mean by protection for 'truth' is protection, it is not fear we are speaking about protection is that which enlightens so that one has a torch to carry in a dark cave and truth is love.

Be weary of the newager concepts as some of what you posted is from the underworld as well, such as that is not required once one aligns in pure faith with the father all becomes possible this shall be once again displayed to the world by the two witness which are to come.

You are not far from heaven, listen to us as we reveal the fathers words to world as we align and you shall see the kingdom by end of this life you are in now, for the two shall awaken many into christ and they shall assist us in what is to come.

For man is like puppets in which strings go up and down and both pull at the strings, but as does one pull the other weakens so too must man choose in which puppeteer they align with.

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Q as a gay male I find you negative. you say that a gay man cannot be a spiritual being capable of love? A gay male cannot meditate to peace of mind? Q , you are saying a male homosexual is unsuperior to the creator god? I can only laugh at your discriminating negative vibration.


No we say that those of Gay and lezbian can not enter heaven while being so, we did not say you can not achieve human love, but divine love is difficult for all mankind for they know not the Father.

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Are you saying now q, that 4D STO is what we call heaven?
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No that known as 4D STO is something prepared for the physical in which will be a example of heaven on earth in which one shall be taught by the heavens so one can enter the true heavens which is not of this universe, but it shall be part of the kingdom of heaven for that which is perfection is all that is of the Father and that which is imperfection is all that is of Satan.

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Very briefly, an Aeon is an unholy creation brought into existence by the thoughts and desires of humanity. Whereas a single man may through the process of desire create a thought form that has minimal radiatory potency (influence), a crowd of people ( think football stadium full of fans) through the law of synergy can create an unholy being that comes to life and then seeks to maintain itself through feeding on the energy of it's creator. Hence crowds are driven to a frenzy through winning and losing as this produces more ether bleedings ( food) for the Aeon. Aeons brought into creation through religion are the most powerful ( as they have the most followers - hence the drive to convert people). These beings are of particular interest to Archons ( original fallen angels) as they can be manipulated to do the Archons work. Beyond this, it would not be wise to comment further in a public forum except to say, be mindful of your desires and of your thoughts.


Good to note, because usually the mind entities created and maintained by the worship of people are being called Archons. The serpents or druids at the biblical time are being called aeon, that's why you get the name aeon Sophia.
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In time we shall give you more details into the kingdoms of the beast known as underworlds, know this that mankind will soon see a kingdom of the beast on earth as prophercised and unexpected we ask you to seek those of light so they bring you into the light for things shall be difficult for this world is one of truth and lies and one seeking truth can look forever in many books and many forms and still never find it.

Only the outer crums of the bread of God will be found but the bread itself shall be missed for one searchs the floor but it rests on the table.

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