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Smoking banned in your own CAR!!
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 453637
6/17/2008 8:59 PM | | Re: Smoking banned in your own CAR!! | Quote |
If the government is making so much money off of cigs then why do they want to make it so hard for people to smoke? That is the real question. Is it because one of these days we will have government health insurance and smokers would be a drain on it? There has got to be an answer here. The government does not care about our kids. They make their minds mush in gov. schools and they poison them with vaccines. If they start fining people for being fat then I know it has to be about gov. health care. Or health scare. It is always about money. Not our health. They could care less if the majority of us died. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 453476
It's not what they make off the people that truly matters....it's what they make off the lobbyists. Tobacco companies are passe. Evangelicals are where it's at.
I've been a smoker since I was 14 and I'm almost 50. The only times I have ever gone to the doctor are for my children's births. I've been no drain on the system. |
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Rota
User ID: 453581
6/17/2008 9:01 PM
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Here's the truth as to why the government wants to ban smoking altogether. It's called the blame game: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 453706
I agree with that article except for the part about them wanting people to stop smoking. I don't think they want people to stop.
First they are making tons of money off smokers.
Then there would still be people getting lung cancer and they could still blame it on the smokers.
Then there is the fact that they proved the tobacco companies were adding addicitive chemicals into the cigerettes and after winning their case against the tobacco companies they never forced them to stop adding the addictive chemicals. In fact they now add chemicals they just might actually give you lung cancer. So its a win win situation as more people die then they save tons of money not having to pay out Social Security and medicare. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 453744
6/17/2008 9:10 PM | | Re: Smoking banned in your own CAR!! | Quote |
Smoking should be banned all together and the sale of tobacco products illegal. I smoked for only 8 years and my health is ruined.
Do not smoke... when it damages your health for good you will regret ever smoking AND you will be too ill to live a normal life, not worth it.
You're another f*ckin' nut. I've been smoking for over 50 years and I'm fine. Just because you THINK smoking ruined YOUR health doesn't mean it ruins everyone's.
Why didn't you read the research that has been done before you posted your nonsense born of ignorance?
. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 453706
Smoking DID ruin my health... You are very lucky that your health is not ruined YET but the point is it can ruin someones health without warning. So just because someone can smoke for 50 years without problems, that doesn't mean everyone can.
I smoked about 5 cigarettes a day at most and was fine for 8 years and enjoyed smoking, then this year in March i started getting breathing problems at night, I would go to sleep and wake up gasping for air. Then i started getting nervous feelings in my chest and small sharp stabbing pains around my heart. After this i quit smoking for 2 weeks. The breathing problems continued for a few days after quitting and then went away.
After 2 weeks i smoked again and the sharp stabbing chest pains returned that same day only ten times worse, the pain felt like a squeezing ache on the left side of my neck that radiated to my chest, the chest pain felt like a massive rock had just landed on my heart and crushed it.
I have not touched a cigarette since then, that was back in April and i still get those chest pains whenever i walk places or run a small distance.
I fear i might drop dead of a heart attack every day, and for what? 8 years of inhaling toxic fumes, not worth it. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 453459
6/17/2008 9:11 PM | | Re: Smoking banned in your own CAR!! | Quote |
$250.00 fine for smoking in your CAR here in Canada since today if you have children a board. People are quiet agree with everything. 
Well, that's how they get away with shit like this in Canada. Complacency. Compliance.
Pretty soon, they will be able to walk right through your home when they "need" to for some reason or another. You'll see. |
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Rauchen verboten!!!!!
User ID: 362074
6/17/2008 9:13 PM | | Re: Smoking banned in your own CAR!! | Quote |
1575: Mexico:
The first recorded passing of legislation prohibiting the use of Tobacco occurs when the Roman Catholic Church passes a law which prohibits smoking in any place of worship throughout the Spanish Colonies
1600s: World-wide
Popes ban smoking in holy places and all places of worship. Pope Urban VIII (1623-44) threatens excommunication for those who smoke or take snuff in holy places.
1612: China
Royal decree forbids the use and cultivation of tobacco
1617: Mongolia
Mongolian Emperor prohibits the use of tobacco. People breaking the law face the death penalty.
1620: Japan
bans the use of tobacco
1632: America
The first recorded smoking ban in America occurs when Massachusetts introduces a ban on smoking in public places
1633: Turkey:
Sultan Murad IV bans smoking and as many as 18 people a day are executed for breaking his law.
1634: Russia
Czar Alexis bans smoking. Those found guilty of a first offence risk whipping, a slit nose, and exile to Siberia. Those found guilty of a second offence face execution.
1634: Greece
The Greek Church bans the use of tobacco claiming tobacco smoke was responsible for intoxicating Noah..
1638: China
The use and supply of tobacco is made a crime punishable by decapitation for those convicted
1639: America
Governor Kieft of New Amsterdam beats Bloomberg by hundreds of years and bans smoking in New Amsterdam later to become New York.
1640: Bhutan
The founder of modern Bhutan, Shabdrung Ngawang Namgyal introduces that countries first smoking ban outlawing the use of tobacco in government buildings.
1647: America
People are only allowed to smoke once a day and public smoking is prohibited in Connecticut
1650: Italy
Pope Innocent X's issues a decree against smoking in St Peter's, Rome
1657: Switzerland
Smoking prohibition introduced throughout Switzerland
1674: Russia
Death penalty introduced for the crime of smoking.
1683: America
First laws in America passed prohibiting smoking outdoors in Massachusetts. Philadelphia follows suit introducing fines for offenders.
1693: England
First recorded ban in England introduced prohibiting smoking in certain areas of the chambers of parliament
* Smoking bans and prohibitions became rare during the 18th and 19th century. Trade in tobacco became an important source of revenue for monarchs and leaders and tobacco bans were revoked. Even the Pope not to be left out opened a tobacco factory in 1779.
1719: France
Smoking is banned with the exception of a number of provinces.
America and Prohibition
Smoking bans and restrictions found little favour in the developing Industrial world of the 19th century. However in the USA as the century drew to a close moral crusaders outraged by the consumption of alcohol and tobacco by American people began to demand action by federal and state legislators. This culminated in an amendment to the American constitution which allowed for the prohibition of alcohol in 1920.
Believing that prohibition might be "for their own good" Americans at first seemed to reluctantly accept it. However they rapidly grew disenchanted with the oppression. The rich and powerful colluded and rubbed shoulders with gangsters in efforts to maintain the flow of alcohol. Speakeasies flourished, hip flasks became a popular symbol of defiance.
Lucy Page Gaston of the
Anti-Cigarette League 1900
During this period the imposition of smoking bans reached a zenith with the sale of cigarettes banned in 15 states. However by 1927, Kansas became the last state to repeal it's ban on the sale of cigarettes. Other than making the crusaders feel good, prohibition had proved an unsuccessful experiment in social engineering leading to many disastrous consequences. Prohibition was eventually lifted in 1933.
1818: USA
Smoking is banned on the streets of Lancaster, Pennsylvania. The mayor is fined when he becomes the first man to break the law.
1840: USA
Smoking is banned in Boston
1893: USA
Washington State introduces legislation banning the sale and consumption of cigarettes
1898: USA
Total ban on cigarettes in the state of Tennessee
1900: USA
The sale of cigarettes is now outlawed in the states of Washington, Iowa, Tennessee and North Dakota
1904: USA
A women is sent to jail for 30 days by a New York judge for smoking in front of her children.
1905: USA
Indiana introduces a total cigarette ban
1907: USA
Washington passes legislation banning the manufacture, sale, exchange or giving away cigarettes, cigarette paper or wrappers
1914: USA
Smoking banned in the US Senate
1922: USA
15 States now have laws banning the sale, manufacture, possession and use of cigarettes
Smoking Bans and the Third Reich
Hitler was a fervent anti smoker and a crusader for the anti-smoking cause. He personally funded research into the dangers of smoking and little wonder those results given the nature of his regime tended to support his assertions that smoking was an evil the Aryan race must be rid of. Many of the studies carried out during the Third Reich are the basis for the arguments put forward today by those seeking the imposition of repressive smoking bans.
Hitler once stated that tobacco was "the wrath of the Red Man against the White Man" Under the Nazi's the Bureau Against the Dangers of Alcohol and Tobacco was established in 1939 followed in 1942 by the Institute for the Struggle against the dangers of Tobacco. Nazi's were the first to coin the term "passive smoking"
Under the Nazi regime the German people had imposed on them the most comprehensive set of tobacco regulations and restrictions seen in any modern nation to that date. Hitler himself took particular interest in this area often personally overseeing the drafting and implementation of anti smoking policy.
"I am convinced that if I had been a smoker, I never would have been able to bear the cares and anxieties which have been a burden to me for so long. Perhaps the German people owe its salvation to that fact."
Adolf Hitler 1942
Bans And Restrictions in Nazi Germany
The Luftwaffe banned smoking in 1938.
The German Post office introduced.it's own ban
Smoking was barred in many workplaces, government offices, hospitals,and rest homes.
The NSDAP (National sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) announced a ban on smoking in its offices in 1939
SS chief Heinrich Himmler announced a smoking ban for all uniformed police and SS officers while on duty in 1939
Hermann Goering's bans soldiers from smoking on the streets, on marches, and while taking rest periods.
Sixty of Germany's largest cities banned smoking on street cars in 1941.
Smoking was banned in air raid shelters. Some provided separate rooms for smokers
Tobacco coupons were denied to any woman who was pregnant
Blanket smoking bans were introduced in many cafes, bars and restaurants
Women below the age of 25 were banned from smoking
Restaurants and cafes were barred from selling cigarettes to all female customers
In July 1943 it became illegal for anyone under the age of 18 to smoke in public.
Smoking was banned on all German city trains and buses in 1944. This initiative coming from Hitler himself,who was worried about exposure of young female conductors to tobacco smoke.
1973: America
Arizona becomes the first state in the current wave of smoking bans to pass a comprehensive law restricting smoking in public places |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 66536
6/17/2008 9:13 PM | | Re: Smoking banned in your own CAR!! | Quote |
Five cigs a day for 8 years and your health is ruined?
LOL
Idiot |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 453459
6/17/2008 9:14 PM | | Re: Smoking banned in your own CAR!! | Quote |
Smoking should be banned all together and the sale of tobacco products illegal. I smoked for only 8 years and my health is ruined.
Do not smoke... when it damages your health for good you will regret ever smoking AND you will be too ill to live a normal life, not worth it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 453706
It's not about the smoking, stupid........it's about the CONTROL.................and this is a small step in a big program to CONTROL. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 362074
6/17/2008 9:16 PM | | Re: Smoking banned in your own CAR!! | Quote |
Five cigs a day for 8 years and your health is ruined?
LOL
Idiot Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66536
Ten small cigars aday for over twenty years and my doctor told me recently me health is very good.
No lung problems , nothing out of order.
Have to smoke more I think. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 453706
6/17/2008 9:16 PM | | Re: Smoking banned in your own CAR!! | Quote |
Rota, if the government doesn't want to ban smoking as you say, then why all the restrictions with more coming?
Can't smoke anywhere anymore. Next our cars? Our homes? Not even our own yards because the smoke might drift over to the neighbor's?
I think they put a hefty sales tax on ciggies because so many quit smoking. The ones who didn't have to take up the slack in lost revenue. As revenues further decrease, they will next tax the fat people, probably by the pound, and fine them for their overweight children.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 453744
6/17/2008 9:16 PM | | Re: Smoking banned in your own CAR!! | Quote |
Five cigs a day for 8 years and your health is ruined?
LOL
Idiot Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66536
Well they were actually joints, unfiltered tobacco and weed, beleive whatever you want but this is the truth. |
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[charlie]
User ID: 453632
6/17/2008 9:20 PM
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what a bunch of fags.
charlie don't surf!..
... Mitch. Nothing is ever simple. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 453744
6/17/2008 9:22 PM | | Re: Smoking banned in your own CAR!! | Quote |
Ten small cigars aday for over twenty years and my doctor told me recently me health is very good.
No lung problems , nothing out of order.
Have to smoke more I think. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 362074
Cigars are not meant to be inhaled so i guess ou never did inhale the smoke? That would probably be why you are still healty. |
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[charlie]
User ID: 453632
6/17/2008 9:23 PM
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This focus on cigarettes and smoking ... it's weird ... it's as if they don't want you to look any further than the tip of your cigarette if you have bad health.
Had vaccines? Oopsy.
Inhaled any of the irradiated dust particles from the atmospheric nuke testing? Oopsy.
Been drinking that fluoridated water all your life? Oopsy.
Eating shit like MSG and "natural flavors/flavoring?" Oopsy.
Drinking and eating shit with Aspartame in it? Oopsy.
Been smoking ciga...BLAP!...BLAP!...BLAP!...that's it!!! That's why you are suffering from so many ailments! That's why your heart is weakening! That's why your lungs are cancerous! That's why your brain has holes in it! That's why you have diabetes! That's why your teeth are falling out! Yep, that's it!
That's it. That's the ticket. We'll blame it all on cigarettes and then nobody will investigate any deeper. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 453623
and THAT'S the truth right there folks!..
charlie don't surf!..
... Mitch. Nothing is ever simple. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 453706
6/17/2008 9:26 PM | | Re: Smoking banned in your own CAR!! | Quote |
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This focus on cigarettes and smoking ... it's weird ... it's as if they don't want you to look any further than the tip of your cigarette if you have bad health.
Had vaccines? Oopsy.
Inhaled any of the irradiated dust particles from the atmospheric nuke testing? Oopsy.
Been drinking that fluoridated water all your life? Oopsy.
Eating shit like MSG and "natural flavors/flavoring?" Oopsy.
Drinking and eating shit with Aspartame in it? Oopsy.
Been smoking ciga...BLAP!...BLAP!...BLAP!...that's it!!! That's why you are suffering from so many ailments! That's why your heart is weakening! That's why your lungs are cancerous! That's why your brain has holes in it! That's why you have diabetes! That's why your teeth are falling out! Yep, that's it!
That's it. That's the ticket. We'll blame it all on cigarettes and then nobody will investigate any deeper.
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and THAT'S the truth right there folks!.. Quoting: [charlie
He said it best!
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coolhandluke74 
Voice Chat Mod
User ID: 453435
6/17/2008 9:28 PM
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Smoking is not a right!!!!!!! Never has been and never will be. You don't have to smoke and because you don't have to smoke i don't need to inhale your second hand smoke.
Is it really going to hurt you that bad to wait to smoke after you drop your kids off or get at home? Is it going to hurt you that bad to wait to smoke after you are done eating your meal at a resturant?
Some of you act like you are smoking crack when you smoke a simple cig.
He drew a circle that shut me out,
Daunted, rebel -- a thing to flout,
But love and I had the wit to win,
We drew a circle that shut him in.
[link to coolhandluke1974.mybrute.com]
Fight my brute!!! |
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Xare
User ID: 394879
6/17/2008 9:30 PM | | Re: Smoking banned in your own CAR!! | Quote |
Collectivism
Today your car... Tomorrow your home ! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 423111
6/17/2008 9:30 PM | |
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 362074
6/17/2008 9:31 PM | | Re: Smoking banned in your own CAR!! | Quote |
Ten small cigars aday for over twenty years and my doctor told me recently me health is very good.
No lung problems , nothing out of order.
Have to smoke more I think.
Cigars are not meant to be inhaled so i guess ou never did inhale the smoke? That would probably be why you are still healty. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 453744
Partly inhaled.
Not just the mouth swirl.My lungs don't mind.
The doc did the stethoscope thing and they're clear, unlike non smoking members of my family, who are prone to ashtma.
I think the only real danger is in the huge number of additives that can go into ordinary ciggies.About 600 to choose from.
If I smoke an ordinary ciggie I feel unwell immediately, even get this effect with most roll your owns.
What I find really interesting is not so much the health riks as the health benefits.
Such as speeding up thinking, staving off Alxheimer's and Parkinsons disease etc.
Does Not Smoking contribute to stupidity?
Hmmmmmm................ |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 453637
6/17/2008 9:34 PM | | Re: Smoking banned in your own CAR!! | Quote |
I will not quit til the day I die.
I've even got some heirloom tobacco seeds to plant if TSHTF. Not only good for you....but an excellent bartering commodity! |
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Rota
User ID: 453581
6/17/2008 9:35 PM
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Rota, if the government doesn't want to ban smoking as you say, then why all the restrictions with more coming?
Can't smoke anywhere anymore. Next our cars? Our homes? Not even our own yards because the smoke might drift over to the neighbor's?
I think they put a hefty sales tax on ciggies because so many quit smoking. The ones who didn't have to take up the slack in lost revenue. As revenues further decrease, they will next tax the fat people, probably by the pound, and fine them for their overweight children.
. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 453706
Smoking pot is illegal but yet people still do it. My point is if they want to ban smoking then they can easily quit putting addictive chemicals in them.
I think they want to demonise smokers so they can blame them for all of societies ills like the article said. But they still need smokers around to have a patsey.
Just saying smokers can't smoke here or there is not going to make them stop. The addictive chemicals are very hard to beat.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 453706
6/17/2008 9:37 PM | | Re: Smoking banned in your own CAR!! | Quote |
Smoking is not a right!!!!!!! Never has been and never will be. You don't have to smoke and because you don't have to smoke i don't need to inhale your second hand smoke.
Is it really going to hurt you that bad to wait to smoke after you drop your kids off or get at home? Is it going to hurt you that bad to wait to smoke after you are done eating your meal at a resturant?
Some of you act like you are smoking crack when you smoke a simple cig. Quoting: coolhandluke74
May all of your friends be non-smokers. Then you will have no reason to criticize or complain.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 453706
6/17/2008 9:48 PM | | Re: Smoking banned in your own CAR!! | Quote |
Rota, you may be right about the chemicals, but I don't know what type cigarettes were used in clinical researches on mice and men.
I smoke 100% Indian tobaccy. No additives. I smoke a lot of them, too!
I wonder why the tobacco companies didn't fight back with all of the research that was available to them. The idiocy of blaming tobacco for every ill known to man would have been laid to rest permanently. Instead, they agreed to pay massive amounts of money to the governments, for a lie.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 390936
7/26/2008 2:29 PM | | Re: Smoking banned in your own CAR!! | Quote |
haha catch me. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 459873
7/26/2008 3:17 PM | | Re: Smoking banned in your own CAR!! | Quote |
And why would you want to smoke in your car while you have children on board?
I'm a smoker, but I sure dont smoke around kids. Bad example, and possibly bad second hand effects. Sure some people question second hand smoking.. but these are kids we're talking about.. better safe than sorry. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 430584
Hitler also voiced concern For The Children, but he was more honest about his motives.
He said: "The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people.
As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation."  |
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Sinanju
User ID: 466508
7/26/2008 3:23 PM | | Re: Smoking banned in your own CAR!! | Quote |
Whenever anything is pushed at my by a gubmint with the 'for the children' statement added.. I grab my wallet and my rights and run away.
Don't you morons realize they are pulling your puppet strings every time you hear those three words? |
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ShadowDancer
User ID: 287857
7/26/2008 3:34 PM
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When I was a kid (a long time ago when we were free), both of my parents smoked in the car. It did us no harm. All three of us grey-haired panthers are still alive and kicking!
You dumb bells who like to see laws passed that curtail someone else's rights shall have what's comin' to ya. And I hope you get it full in the face.
. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 453706
 for truth
It is coming around and will wake many up.
*************************************There is an evil tendency underlying all our technology - the tendency to do what is reasonable even when it isn't any good.
- Robert Pirsig
There is little gain in attempting to change external conditions, you must first change the core of inner beliefs, naturally outer conditions will change accordingly.
BECOME it to achieve it.
Wisdom strengthened the wise more than ten mighty men which are in the city. Ecclesiastes 7:19
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Does the shadow appear to be growing darker? The light that is casting shadows is becoming much brighter; in utter darkness it is luminous. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 390936
7/26/2008 3:38 PM | | Re: Smoking banned in your own CAR!! | Quote |
Whenever anything is pushed at my by a gubmint with the 'for the children' statement added.. I grab my wallet and my rights and run away.
Don't you morons realize they are pulling your puppet strings every time you hear those three words? Quoting: Sinanju 466508
Wow.. truer words were never spoken. Good post. |
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ShadowDancer
User ID: 287857
7/26/2008 3:40 PM
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And why would you want to smoke in your car while you have children on board?
I'm a smoker, but I sure dont smoke around kids. Bad example, and possibly bad second hand effects. Sure some people question second hand smoking.. but these are kids we're talking about.. better safe than sorry.
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Hitler also voiced concern For The Children, but he was more honest about his motives.
He said: "The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people.
As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation."
Like the law against Homeschooling in Germany that is still in effect from Hitler
In Calif they have changed some laws about Homeschooling and many groups are seeking to make it illegal to Homeschool. The state owns the children like property according to the new laws they are instituting more and more.
Expecting to mark the public and the children like a cow or a lamb,with RFID transponders or RFID invisible tattoo
It is insane-like suddenly you are thrown into Nightmare land and it ends up being some whacked out "reality"
Bizarre does not begin to describe it!!!
*************************************There is an evil tendency underlying all our technology - the tendency to do what is reasonable even when it isn't any good.
- Robert Pirsig
There is little gain in attempting to change external conditions, you must first change the core of inner beliefs, naturally outer conditions will change accordingly.
BECOME it to achieve it.
Wisdom strengthened the wise more than ten mighty men which are in the city. Ecclesiastes 7:19
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Does the shadow appear to be growing darker? The light that is casting shadows is becoming much brighter; in utter darkness it is luminous. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 345215
7/26/2008 3:49 PM | | Re: Smoking banned in your own CAR!! | Quote |
this is so much better for children.
www.cbc.ca/gfx/pix/pollution2_041208.jpg |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 473872
7/26/2008 3:55 PM | | Re: Smoking banned in your own CAR!! | Quote |
That's sick.
People should be able to smoke wherever they want.
Hell, not so long ago smoking was allowed in hospitals.
Let's go back to those days. Quoting: Mister Obvious
you're either an idiot or a poor troll.
i live in a nice split level apartment in a good part of a major city. everything is perfect apart from my neighbor parallel to me on the same level who smokes cigarettes. the smoke creeps along the outside wall and comes into my apartment. If I were to go burn tires, plastic bags or other harmful substances outside his window and let the poisonous smoke enter his apartment I would be arrested, why should he be able to do the same to me?
Ban smoking everywhere apart from open spaces and detached private residences. $10,000 dollars or a week in jail punishment for non compliance.
that is all. |
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