Our souls are indeed immortal, but our corporeal bodies are not. They will all die and return to the earth unless transfigured by a divinely manifested ascension.Christian ascension is not a self-actualized event. It is the gift of God Jehovah Himself, freely given to His children, through His inestimable grace. There is nothing we can do to selfishly attain it or to self-manifest it. It is also a collective event. It will be given to all Christians, both living and dead at the same relative time.And that time will soon be upon us.Peace.
Lotus People are not a commodity, without love they become so. Parents are the guardians of the soul, a precious gem born to shine. It is the guardian’s responsibility to ensure that gem is not reshaped, but allowed to BE its natural state. Children are the supreme joy of human life’ "God's will is compelled by love into compassionate action to save." "Blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see God."
In my integrity you uphold me and set me in your presence forever. Psa 41:12 "The LORD within her is righteous; he does no wrong. Morning by morning he dispenses his justice, and every new day he does not fail, yet the unrighteous know no shame." Zephaniah 3:4-6
FightingSpirit TRUTH SEEKER...BIG BULLSHIT DETECTOR User ID: 453771 6/18/2008 2:22 AM
Re: "When the Son of Man comes, it will be the same as when Noah lived. In the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking and talking
It is the same with DARKNESS filling your LAMP...Instead of LIGHT..
IF the DARK SIDE enters you then your eyes will be filled with DARKNESS....
You will be TURNED to the DARK SIDE..
They will SUCK your LIGHT out...That you should keep INSIDE of you...And they will cover it and use it as energy source for there machines...They will put it to SLEEP and replace you...
Instead the LIGHT INSIDE of you should grow....And your eyes should fill with MORE LIGHT...And then you should WAKE UP and SEE..For you were BLIND to truth...
This is a connection of the consciousness to SOURCE/LIGHT...Filling your lamp with LIGHT.... "Soon a darkened Pyramid will rise..Their will be no escaping from the ALL SEEING EYE..Lost in blindness ..Serving shielded masters still unknown..Chaos is their goal..Corrupt you heart and soul..The air is getting thin..WILL YOU GIVE IN?"
"Through a VEIL of madness..With a vicious blade..ONE man rises up...
Standing in their way..Redemption.. REDEMPTION FOR HUMANITY"
"Pray for solace..Pray for resolve..Pray for a savior..Pray for deliverance, some kind of purpose..A glimpse of a LIGHT in this VOID OF EXISTENCE..Now witness the END of an age..Hope dies in hands of believers..Who seek the truth in the LIAR'S EYE"
"Were we ever even ALIVE?..Is any of this even REAL?"
"I believe DISEASE is coming..I believe..That's why I'm RUNNING"
"Soon here we'll have dear Daddy with the next one on her knees..And she's gonna call him Daddy..Like the rest of them..Like me...How easy it will be..REPLACING ME"
Anonymous Coward User ID: 453872 6/18/2008 2:43 AM
Re: "When the Son of Man comes, it will be the same as when Noah lived. In the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking and talking
The return of Jesus likened unto a thief robbing you....these guys need to come up with better metaphors...
Quoting: Tree Samurai
Very interesting.
I have more respect and admiration for those who say "Not one shall be left behind."
That is the more compassionate stance and definitely more humane. With this attitude, people are more inclined to work together lifting all up rather than against each other creating a pyramid scheme. Also, it alleviates the evils that arise from competition because all are loved and worthy, rather than only a select few.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 435488 6/18/2008 3:17 AM
Re: "When the Son of Man comes, it will be the same as when Noah lived. In the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking and talking
Our souls are indeed immortal, but our corporeal bodies are not. They will all die and return to the earth unless transfigured by a divinely manifested ascension.Christian ascension is not a self-actualized event. It is the gift of God Jehovah Himself, freely given to His children, through His inestimable grace. There is nothing we can do to selfishly attain it or to self-manifest it. It is also a collective event. It will be given to all Christians, both living and dead at the same relative time.And that time will soon be upon us.Peace.
Perhaps yes, or perhaps no. I have my faith, and that is all I need. I have a very personal God who loves me very much. And I've realized over time that nothing else is relevant.
If I'm due for 'more than a few shocks' as I pursue my faith, and it proves to be false, what is that to you or anyone else? If I have to take another turn on the karmic merry-go-round, who cares? That is my mile to walk in my good time. It is not for anyone else.
If however, the Bible is correct and there is only one path to heaven and to a distinct Creator God who holds you responsible for your actions, then there will be hell to pay. I don't wish this on anyone. And I've been tasked to share God's love and warnings with everyone.
John 4:23, "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
1 Corinthians 2:9, "Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither hath entered into the heart (soul) of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him."
Hebrews 3:10, "They do always err in their heart (soul); and they have not known my ways. They shall not enter into my rest."
1 Corinthians 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Are you sure the soul is immortal?
Hebrews 4:12, "For the word (knowledge) of God (the Father) is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul (Heart) and spirit(Mind) and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart
Jeremiah 17:9
“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it?
Proverbs 28:26 He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
Isaiah 53:12
Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Are you really sure that the soul is immortal?
Anonymous Coward User ID: 435488 6/18/2008 3:45 AM
Re: "When the Son of Man comes, it will be the same as when Noah lived. In the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking and talking
John 4:23, "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
1 Corinthians 2:9, "Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither hath entered into the heart (soul) of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him."
Hebrews 3:10, "They do always err in their heart (soul); and they have not known my ways. They shall not enter into my rest."
1 Corinthians 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Are you sure the soul is immortal?
Hebrews 4:12, "For the word (knowledge) of God (the Father) is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul (Heart) and spirit(Mind) and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart
Jeremiah 17:9
“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it?
Proverbs 28:26 He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
Isaiah 53:12
Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Are you really sure that the soul is immortal?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 453498
Yes, I believe the soul (or spirit) is immortal.
Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Jud 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
2Jn 1:2 For the truth's sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever.
1Jn 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
2Pe 2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Phm 1:15 For perhaps he therefore departed for a season, that thou shouldest receive him for ever;
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 453872 6/18/2008 3:55 AM
Re: "When the Son of Man comes, it will be the same as when Noah lived. In the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking and talking
Interesting. Men who don't want to be their brother's keeper and think he's too heavy to carry will seek any way possible to drop him by the wayside and call it holy. They will even put text in holy books and call it a direct revelation from god.
They glorify in the day when they are taken and are eager to forget those miserable sinner family members left behind. It's their problem, their loss, good riddance, sorry you have to burn forever.
And they call this love. And they say they love their fellow man. And they wonder why the whole world doesn't walk their path.
This is why:
You know, those others in the world hear all those wonderful words you born again Christians readily put out but when they look at the lack of unconditional love behind those words, the lack of love displayed at the proposed "end game", they can easily hear and see the lie. There is no love, just some game with winners and losers, mostly losers according to your god.
And perhaps they know the god of love is much bigger than your conditional black and white god. And while you debate words in old writings and who's right and who's wrong, they go on and actually do something constructively to help each other, because they love even the most miserable one, especially the ones you despise and want to leave behind.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 453498 6/18/2008 3:57 AM
Re: "When the Son of Man comes, it will be the same as when Noah lived. In the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking and talking
Congratulations, for ignoring the Bible then. Tells you that it isn't.
The Spirit is. And it also tells you that the soul and spirit are separate and that the word of God divides and casts asunder the soul from the spirit.
You don't worship the Father, you worship your own soul. In fact you hate god, because you don't listen to his words in the bible.
The truth of that will be revealed to you sooner or later.
As for now you'll continue to blissfully ignore what right in front of your nose.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 435488 6/18/2008 4:21 AM
Re: "When the Son of Man comes, it will be the same as when Noah lived. In the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking and talking
Congratulations, for ignoring the Bible then. Tells you that it isn't.
The Spirit is. And it also tells you that the soul and spirit are separate and that the word of God divides and casts asunder the soul from the spirit.
You don't worship the Father, you worship your own soul. In fact you hate god, because you don't listen to his words in the bible.
The truth of that will be revealed to you sooner or later.
As for now you'll continue to blissfully ignore what right in front of your nose.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 453498
I'm certainly open to receiving an education. I learn new things every day. I'll listen to your sermon. Prove your point in the Bible.
How can you judge me and who I worship? Are you being judgmental? My faith in God the Father is secure, your accusations notwithstanding. I hate no one. Don't presume to speak for me. Your conclusions are dubious at best.
Let's just cut to the chase: How does one have eternal life?
Peace.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 453872 6/18/2008 4:23 AM
Re: "When the Son of Man comes, it will be the same as when Noah lived. In the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking and talking
Congratulations, for ignoring the Bible then. Tells you that it isn't.
The Spirit is. And it also tells you that the soul and spirit are separate and that the word of God divides and casts asunder the soul from the spirit.
You don't worship the Father, you worship your own soul. In fact you hate god, because you don't listen to his words in the bible.
The truth of that will be revealed to you sooner or later.
As for now you'll continue to blissfully ignore what right in front of your nose.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 453498
And here is another problem. The only thing you Christians know how to do is to go around damning each other. Sorry, no love found here, the heart is stone cold.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 453872 6/18/2008 4:25 AM
Re: "When the Son of Man comes, it will be the same as when Noah lived. In the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking and talking
So Noah warned for 120 years. A Flood is Coming - A Flood Is Coming!
Seems to me that over 120 years of no signs of a flood people would think of the little boy who cried wolf.
Let's look at it this way, your crazy neighbor keeps telling you the aliens are coming - he builds a very deep bomb shelter stocks it and ever day he tells you that the Aliens are coming. You ask when - his answer is a vague 'soon'... pressing for more details you get none, just the same line of 'insanity'. Sooner than later you will end up calling the cops or seeking legal advice on how to get this obvious nut job out of your neighborhood.
See this is one of the big problems with the story of Noah. He was unable to give an exact date, he was building a huge boat far from any sea and to top it all off he most likely was a solitary man, keeping only his family around.
So yeah - he warned, but his warning fell on deaf ears after about eh first 10 years of his 'warning' and boat building and other crazy antics.
When Jesus returns no one will know that He IS coming - That is what these passages are trying to point out that the world will be going about business as usual and not even the ELECT nor the SON HIMSELF knows the day or the hour.
Only God knows. Thus all of the verbal imagery of thieves and men in fields and all of that - it is attempting to express in many different ways how everyone will be surprised (yes even the elect) when he does return.
Lotus Feet The Paraclete, defender of human rights User ID: 433953 6/18/2008 4:48 AM
Re: "When the Son of Man comes, it will be the same as when Noah lived. In the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking and talking
Yes, I believe the soul (or spirit) is immortal. Congratulations, for ignoring the Bible then. Tells you that it isn't. The Spirit is. And it also tells you that the soul and spirit are separate and that the word of God divides and casts asunder the soul from the spirit. You don't worship the Father, you worship your own soul. In fact you hate god, because you don't listen to his words in the bible.
The truth of that will be revealed to you sooner or later.As for now you'll continue to blissfully ignore what right in front of your nose.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 453498
The bible tells you that when you wake up you will come to know that you are immortal. In this passage it talks about the dead and this is about those that are spiritually dead in their graves. Most religious people have not even begun their spiritual journey home to God and many Christians forget that their role model was a healer. As the Lord said "Religion buries men in boxes". "Christianity was never born, it is still in the womb'.
The Power of Sin is the Law
"I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.
For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."
"Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?" The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.
1 Corinthians 15:50-60 People are not a commodity, without love they become so. Parents are the guardians of the soul, a precious gem born to shine. It is the guardian’s responsibility to ensure that gem is not reshaped, but allowed to BE its natural state. Children are the supreme joy of human life’ "God's will is compelled by love into compassionate action to save." "Blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see God."
In my integrity you uphold me and set me in your presence forever. Psa 41:12 "The LORD within her is righteous; he does no wrong. Morning by morning he dispenses his justice, and every new day he does not fail, yet the unrighteous know no shame." Zephaniah 3:4-6
Anonymous Coward User ID: 435488 6/18/2008 4:56 AM
Re: "When the Son of Man comes, it will be the same as when Noah lived. In the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking and talking
Interesting. Men who don't want to be their brother's keeper and think he's too heavy to carry will seek any way possible to drop him by the wayside and call it holy. They will even put text in holy books and call it a direct revelation from god.
They glorify in the day when they are taken and are eager to forget those miserable sinner family members left behind. It's their problem, their loss, good riddance, sorry you have to burn forever.
And they call this love. And they say they love their fellow man. And they wonder why the whole world doesn't walk their path.
This is why:
You know, those others in the world hear all those wonderful words you born again Christians readily put out but when they look at the lack of unconditional love behind those words, the lack of love displayed at the proposed "end game", they can easily hear and see the lie. There is no love, just some game with winners and losers, mostly losers according to your god.
And perhaps they know the god of love is much bigger than your conditional black and white god. And while you debate words in old writings and who's right and who's wrong, they go on and actually do something constructively to help each other, because they love even the most miserable one, especially the ones you despise and want to leave behind.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 453872
How can you drop someone by the wayside and keep them from salvation who rejects Jesus Christ? It is a personal decision from the heart that they alone must make. One cannot get to heaven on the back of another. One cannot carry someone to heaven. God has made it an individual journey, and a simple and free one at that.
But each of us must take responsibility for our own actions and inactions with God. There are consequences for all of our spiritual decisions and indecisions. We cannot blame our unbelief on others. That's not intellectually honest.
The Bible stands on its own. I need not defend it here. I recommend a little study into it's origins.
Of course Christians take glory in the fact that they will some day see their Savior and the Father in heaven. It is the natural manifestation of love. There is no harm in desiring to one day see the Lord.
You are mistaken if you think that true Christians take pleasure in knowing there will be some that are left behind. We are commanded to share the Gospel with everyone, and warn them of prophetic things to come. It will be a sad day to see all those people who have rejected Jesus Christ get left behind. But it is by their choice. They had every opportunity to embrace Jesus, but they had chosen not to.
But not all hope will be lost. There will still be time to get saved before the horrors of the Tribulation begin killing everyone off. It will be their responsibility to embrace Jesus before they get caught up in all the disasters and wars that will destroy most of the planet. Most will die in the Tribulation after the Rapture, but those who get saved during this time will still go to heaven when they die.
Love is expressed by Christians when they warn you of the bad things to come, and urge you to get spiritually ready for them so that you will be Raptured before all the bad things happen. Are you ready? Are you ready to accept Christ so that you can avoid the 'end game?' The choice is yours alone to make. No one can force Jesus onto your heart. If you are left behind, it will be by your own doing alone.
Not all Christians display unconditional love all the time. Do you know why? It's because they are human. They are not somehow better than everyone else because they follow Christ? We all have flaws, but Jesus was perfect. Please don't judge Jesus by the flaws of His human followers. He is the standard that we all look up to, not some televangelist.
In eternity there will be winners and losers. Hint: Jehovah God is the winning team, and joining His team is easy and free. God is the definition of love. And He is also the God of justice. All He wants from us is for us to love Him with all our hearts, and to follow His ways.
The other side, the losing side, the NWO & Satanist side, is the side of hate and eternal loss. There is an epic battle waging between the forces of good and evil. Which side will you choose?
True Christians love everyone, even their enemies as Jesus commanded. And they help out the poor, the sick, the widows, and the orphans. Look at all the charities that exist in the world. The majority of them have ties to Christianity. How many Atheist charity organizations can you name? Doing good works is part of the Christian mission.
True Christians don't want anyone to be left behind. But ultimately, the choice is solely up to you. Will you allow yourself to be left behind?
"He responded, "The people of an evil and unfaithful era look for a miraculous sign. But the only sign they will get is the sign of the prophet Jonah."
Matt 12:39
In other words, those who crave doom will keep craving.
JONAH is from the Hebrew word YONA, which means DOVE = peace, holy spirit, holy mother etc.
What went out from the Ark? First the black bird then the dove.
What were we told a few weeks ago ? God said 'It was time to build the Ark'.
Prophet Jonah was one of the very few prophets that the Jewish people accepted because he was sent to address the enemies of Israel. Jonah was also the only prophet that Jesus likened unto himself.
Lotus
Quoting: Lotus Feet
I thought this verse meant that he would be dead for three days just as Jonah was in the whale's belly he would be in the belly of the earth and the sign would be his resserection.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 364519 6/18/2008 4:59 AM
Re: "When the Son of Man comes, it will be the same as when Noah lived. In the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking and talking
When you see it, you will at once be flabbergasted and shocked. Your rational mind will not comprehend what it is that you are seeing... some of you will try your best to crawl under rocks... but the rocks will not provide any solice...
Anonymous Coward User ID: 364519 6/18/2008 5:05 AM
Re: "When the Son of Man comes, it will be the same as when Noah lived. In the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking and talking
you will be absolutely surprised by what you see in the sky... even the astronomers will be at a loss... it will not be any of the things posted on this forum, Nancy's forum, or anyone else's forum for that matter...
Get ready for the first day of education boys and girls...
Anonymous Coward User ID: 435488 6/18/2008 5:10 AM
Re: "When the Son of Man comes, it will be the same as when Noah lived. In the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking and talking
People are not a commodity, without love they become so.
Lotus People are not a commodity, without love they become so. Parents are the guardians of the soul, a precious gem born to shine. It is the guardian’s responsibility to ensure that gem is not reshaped, but allowed to BE its natural state. Children are the supreme joy of human life’ "God's will is compelled by love into compassionate action to save." "Blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see God."
In my integrity you uphold me and set me in your presence forever. Psa 41:12 "The LORD within her is righteous; he does no wrong. Morning by morning he dispenses his justice, and every new day he does not fail, yet the unrighteous know no shame." Zephaniah 3:4-6
Anonymous Coward User ID: 435488 6/18/2008 5:26 AM
Re: "When the Son of Man comes, it will be the same as when Noah lived. In the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking and talking
All souls are precious in the sight of the Lord. (James 5:7)
Peace.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 435488
Indeed. My copy of the bible says this for James 5:7
"Be patient, then brothers, until the Lord's coming. See how the farmer waits for the land to yield its valuable crop and how patient he is for the autumn and spring rains."
One of the problems is many people are not in tune with their souls and when a person isn't tuned into their souls they do not hear God.
Lotus People are not a commodity, without love they become so. Parents are the guardians of the soul, a precious gem born to shine. It is the guardian’s responsibility to ensure that gem is not reshaped, but allowed to BE its natural state. Children are the supreme joy of human life’ "God's will is compelled by love into compassionate action to save." "Blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see God."
In my integrity you uphold me and set me in your presence forever. Psa 41:12 "The LORD within her is righteous; he does no wrong. Morning by morning he dispenses his justice, and every new day he does not fail, yet the unrighteous know no shame." Zephaniah 3:4-6
Lotus Feet The Paraclete, defender of human rights User ID: 433953 6/18/2008 6:18 AM
Re: "When the Son of Man comes, it will be the same as when Noah lived. In the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking and talking
Many Christians refuse to heal and purify the self eventhough healing consciousness was the way of Jesus, he was teaching people how to heal the self. The bible says
"Now that you have purifed yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from the heart. For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable. Through the living and enduring word of God.
Therefore, rid yourselves of all malice, and all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and slander of every kind. ( e.g. root causes of core issues).
Like newborn babies, crave pure spiritual milk so that by it you may grow up in your salvation, now that you have tasted that the Lord is good". 1 Peter:22
Where does the milk come from? The mother, the divine feminine and its principles.
The Living Stone and the Chosen People
As you come to him the Living Stone rejected by men but chosen by God and precious to him- you also like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. For in scripture it says: "See I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe. "The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone. 1 Peter 4-8
The capstone that all the religious rejected was Spiritual Independence.
You are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises to him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 1 Peter 9
The mother and the son lead you to the father. It is the spiritual that are the treasure in God's chest, it is they that are the Holy Priesthood.
Lotus People are not a commodity, without love they become so. Parents are the guardians of the soul, a precious gem born to shine. It is the guardian’s responsibility to ensure that gem is not reshaped, but allowed to BE its natural state. Children are the supreme joy of human life’ "God's will is compelled by love into compassionate action to save." "Blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see God."
In my integrity you uphold me and set me in your presence forever. Psa 41:12 "The LORD within her is righteous; he does no wrong. Morning by morning he dispenses his justice, and every new day he does not fail, yet the unrighteous know no shame." Zephaniah 3:4-6
First let me say I respect everyone's view! Even the one's that feel that they must come on a thread like this to tell us we are all stupid.
The Bible and Jesus are items of faith. You believe what you believe. You see what you see!
As a christian all my life the first item I have have to come to grips with in my faith and my future is the rapture.
The church groups point at this item of belief as a core item of faith. Some groups requir you to believe how they believe to allow you to be apart of thier assembly!
The rapture is taught in the Bible!
2 Thes 4:
Believers Who Have Died
13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest, who have no hope. 14 We believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord's word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.
With the above text with others we know the dead in Christ are going to rise frist and then those which are alive at that time will be caught up!
If you look for teaching from the Bible about the first resurrection you have to go all the way to Rev 20:
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
This is why I put the rapture at where I think it should be at the 1st resurrection! Right at the 2nd coming during the great day of the Lord!
ice Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.
Caduceus User ID: 257757 6/18/2008 6:32 AM
Re: "When the Son of Man comes, it will be the same as when Noah lived. In the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking and talking
People are always eating, drinking, and talking lol... what kind of crap is that?
Let me ask you a question... why would you worship some entity that's supposably coming back to destroy the world and everyone on it including you?
The story of the return of the messiah is popular in all religions... Islam has the same story as that of revelations... it was common among persecuted people.
The story of Revelations in the bible is that of the gnostic pagans god man coming back to dish out revenge against the Romans who became the Church who stole their stories and twisted them around at the end of the Ages... when the Zodiac starts completely over, at the end of the age of Pisces and the beginning of the Age of Aquarius.
Here comes the sun of satan, and he's coming like a thief in the night to steal your soul lmao.. Seriously you should go study religion before devoting your life to something you don't understand.
This was written in Dan 1000's of years ago. This time of distress has never happened yet! The key to below is not the end of time but the true teaching of the Book of Life!
everyone whose name is found written in the book!
That is the study you should focus on!
ice
Daniel 12
The End Times
1 "At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise [a] will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever. 4 But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge."
5 Then I, Daniel, looked, and there before me stood two others, one on this bank of the river and one on the opposite bank. 6 One of them said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, "How long will it be before these astonishing things are fulfilled?"
7 The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, "It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed."
8 I heard, but I did not understand. So I asked, "My lord, what will the outcome of all this be?"
9 He replied, "Go your way, Daniel, because the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.
11 "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.
13 "As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance."
Footnotes Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.
Lotus Feet The Paraclete, defender of human rights User ID: 433953 6/18/2008 7:09 AM
Re: "When the Son of Man comes, it will be the same as when Noah lived. In the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking and talking
First let me say I respect everyone's view! Even the one's that feel that they must come on a thread like this to tell us we are all stupid.
The Bible and Jesus are items of faith. You believe what you believe. You see what you see!
As a christian all my life the first item I have have to come to grips with in my faith and my future is the rapture.
The church groups point at this item of belief as a core item of faith. Some groups requir you to believe how they believe to allow you to be apart of thier assembly!
The rapture is taught in the Bible!
2 Thes 4:
Believers Who Have Died
13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest, who have no hope. 14 We believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord's word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.
With the above text with others we know the dead in Christ are going to rise frist and then those which are alive at that time will be caught up!
If you look for teaching from the Bible about the first resurrection you have to go all the way to Rev 20:
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
This is why I put the rapture at where I think it should be at the 1st resurrection! Right at the 2nd coming during the great day of the Lord!
ice
Quoting: Ice
Dear Ice,
1. The word rapture does not exist in the bible.
2. The word faith did not exist in the time of Jesus, the word faith was developed by theologians. The original word meant "trustful loyalty". Jesus never asked for blind faith he asked you to trust him. Trust is very important in healing, if a person does not trust then they block being able to be helped. Also a person that does not trust is blocked in all their energy centres and their dynamic self healing system does not work properly.
3. To truly understand the meaning of his words one has to understand spiritual symbology. When it talks about the clouds it is not talking about the clouds in the sky. It is talking metaphorically. There is a lot of wisdom in the bible but it is spiritual wisdom and very few Christian scholars truly understand it. However, yes many of the spiritual were the last to come to Christ and they are the first to go through the eye of the needle and are the first born of the New Adam because they are healed, purified and whole. They have come to completion within themselves and as such they are the brides with the lamps. Religious people who have not started their spiritual path home to God will indeed be the last because they have not found the heaven within.
God is a spiritual reality not a religious one.
In biblical times Daniel wasn't taken very seriously in fact it only got into the cannon by the skin of its teeth. Rabbi Judah Loew ben Bezalel lamented that the times for the fulfillment of the prophecy of Daniel "were over long ago" (Sanhedrin 98b, 97a). Many Orthodox Jews believe that the prophecy refers to the destruction of the Second Temple by the Romans in 70 AD. Secular scholars however, believe that the prophecy better fits the reign of Antiochus, and that it is an example of vaticinium ex eventu (prophecy after the fact).
Lotus People are not a commodity, without love they become so. Parents are the guardians of the soul, a precious gem born to shine. It is the guardian’s responsibility to ensure that gem is not reshaped, but allowed to BE its natural state. Children are the supreme joy of human life’ "God's will is compelled by love into compassionate action to save." "Blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see God."
In my integrity you uphold me and set me in your presence forever. Psa 41:12 "The LORD within her is righteous; he does no wrong. Morning by morning he dispenses his justice, and every new day he does not fail, yet the unrighteous know no shame." Zephaniah 3:4-6
Cassie :-) Warning Do not L@@K into my AV User ID: 2514 6/18/2008 7:14 AM
Re: "When the Son of Man comes, it will be the same as when Noah lived. In the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking and talking
How can you drop someone by the wayside and keep them from salvation who rejects Jesus Christ? It is a personal decision from the heart that they alone must make. One cannot get to heaven on the back of another. One cannot carry someone to heaven. God has made it an individual journey, and a simple and free one at that.
But each of us must take responsibility for our own actions and inactions with God. There are consequences for all of our spiritual decisions and indecisions. We cannot blame our unbelief on others. That's not intellectually honest.
The Bible stands on its own. I need not defend it here. I recommend a little study into it's origins.
Of course Christians take glory in the fact that they will some day see their Savior and the Father in heaven. It is the natural manifestation of love. There is no harm in desiring to one day see the Lord.
You are mistaken if you think that true Christians take pleasure in knowing there will be some that are left behind. We are commanded to share the Gospel with everyone, and warn them of prophetic things to come. It will be a sad day to see all those people who have rejected Jesus Christ get left behind. But it is by their choice. They had every opportunity to embrace Jesus, but they had chosen not to.
But not all hope will be lost. There will still be time to get saved before the horrors of the Tribulation begin killing everyone off. It will be their responsibility to embrace Jesus before they get caught up in all the disasters and wars that will destroy most of the planet. Most will die in the Tribulation after the Rapture, but those who get saved during this time will still go to heaven when they die.
Love is expressed by Christians when they warn you of the bad things to come, and urge you to get spiritually ready for them so that you will be Raptured before all the bad things happen. Are you ready? Are you ready to accept Christ so that you can avoid the 'end game?' The choice is yours alone to make. No one can force Jesus onto your heart. If you are left behind, it will be by your own doing alone.
Not all Christians display unconditional love all the time. Do you know why? It's because they are human. They are not somehow better than everyone else because they follow Christ? We all have flaws, but Jesus was perfect. Please don't judge Jesus by the flaws of His human followers. He is the standard that we all look up to, not some televangelist.
In eternity there will be winners and losers. Hint: Jehovah God is the winning team, and joining His team is easy and free. God is the definition of love. And He is also the God of justice. All He wants from us is for us to love Him with all our hearts, and to follow His ways.
The other side, the losing side, the NWO & Satanist side, is the side of hate and eternal loss. There is an epic battle waging between the forces of good and evil. Which side will you choose?
True Christians love everyone, even their enemies as Jesus commanded. And they help out the poor, the sick, the widows, and the orphans. Look at all the charities that exist in the world. The majority of them have ties to Christianity. How many Atheist charity organizations can you name? Doing good works is part of the Christian mission.
True Christians don't want anyone to be left behind. But ultimately, the choice is solely up to you. Will you allow yourself to be left behind?
Great Post!
The truth, very well said and from the heart. It warmed my heart to read it. I pray some hearts will be touched.
Time is short.
Every day I watch the news I wonder to myself how much worse could Sodom and Gomorrah have been? "Go with God and may the Holy Spirit give opportunity to share the saving knowledge of the Gospel of Jesus Christ with your friends. Because "Friends don´t let Friends die without Jesus"
Anonymous Coward User ID: 452845 6/18/2008 7:28 AM
Re: "When the Son of Man comes, it will be the same as when Noah lived. In the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking and talking
Stories undoubtedly existed of a person by the name of Daniel, who was known to Ezekiel as a wise man. Tradition then ascribed to this wise man all the traits which Israel could attribute to its heroes. He was exalted as the pattern of piety and faithfulness; and it may also have been said that he interpreted dreams, read cryptograms, and foreshadowed the beginning of the Messianic kingdom. In any case his name may have played the same rôle in literature as that of Solomon or that of Enoch; and as one author ascribed his book, "Koheleth," to Solomon, so another author may have made Daniel responsible for his. As to the origin of his prophecies, it would probably be unjust to say that they were inventions. They may have been suggested by the author's enthusiastic study of the past history of God's people. He utilized the past to unlock the future. This is evident from ix. 2, where the author says that he had paid attention to the prophecy of Jeremiah concerning the seventy years, which prophecy became the basis for a new prophecy. This shows that the author was merely a disciple of the Prophets, one who reproduced the prophecies of his masters. His book, indeed, is not included in the section Nebiim.
[link to www.jewishencyclopedia.com] People are not a commodity, without love they become so. Parents are the guardians of the soul, a precious gem born to shine. It is the guardian’s responsibility to ensure that gem is not reshaped, but allowed to BE its natural state. Children are the supreme joy of human life’ "God's will is compelled by love into compassionate action to save." "Blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see God."
In my integrity you uphold me and set me in your presence forever. Psa 41:12 "The LORD within her is righteous; he does no wrong. Morning by morning he dispenses his justice, and every new day he does not fail, yet the unrighteous know no shame." Zephaniah 3:4-6
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