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ScienceOnly
12/19/2004 10:34 AM
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Contemplating on German Guyīs posts for several days, I have listed the possible scenarios for creating such a stir.
Possibility #1
It is legit. 911 was beyond a doubt a neo-con inside job, and many agencies of the US Government were notified. In all cases, the people involved in rooting out these evil-doers before the event were shut down. Statistically, the crime should have been solved before it happened...but it wasnīt. The investigations were squeezed from the top.
German Guy wrote about two important aspects of the neo-con plans. Namely, that shipping would be attacked as well as a particular city, and also European targets have been identified. Releasing the information over the Internet is a perfectly legitimate avenue since the US media is completely controlled. Notice for example, how the Ohio recount is not being covered whatsoever by mainstream media...and when a casual mention is made it rings of Orwellianism.
Notice how German Guy states that if attacks against Germany were carried out, all diplomatic relations would be cut off between his country and the USA. He didnīt say the US would be blown up or that it would be TEOTWAWKI.
In a sense, the information German Guy has released boils down to a warning: if the neo-cons are going to do another 911, keep it in the USA, and under no circumstances even think about touching Europe (think Madrid bombing).
I have many other reasons for assigning a high degree of credibility to German Guy.
Possibility #2
I could be legit, but coming from within our own military/intel establishment. They would have the expertise to make the German Guy sound legit.
Basically it is the same scenario as Possibility #1, with the German target warning as misdirection for the neo-cons...to make them think the info is really coming from Europe
This Possibility is highly likely.
Possibility #3
Although farfetched, it is possible that the information German Guy is releasing is accurate, but it comes from the neo-con group themselves. It is being released over the Internet knowing that most true patriots have found the Internet a great way of communicating the atrocities being perpetuated on the US citizenry. It is an in-your-face, we are in control, donīt even think about challenging us...kind of psy-op...before the event...not necessarily in the advertised city...
Possibility #4
Another neo-con psy-op would be to release bogus information with the wrong dates and so forth. This, coming on the heels of the Aussie Bloke psy-op, would further diminish the integrity of Internet-based information.
This is a real possibility since there is a concerted effort by mainstream media to discredit Internet-based information as well as the people who create and use it.
Possibility #5
Iīm off to Church to worship...add your own or critique mine.
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
if it wasnīt for the internet...kerik would be in charge of homeland security. |
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Door Number 6
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
OR heīs collecting material for a book in which a fictional agent releases a fictional story to the Internet. |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
Possibility #6
german guyīs posts was a total botanica thread |
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zazzman
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
Iīm off for my Sunday bloody Mary breakfast.
4 eggs over easy, 3 links of maple saugage, wheat toast and jelly, hashbrowns (real with grilled onions) and 2 or 3 Bud-lights... |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
It wonīt matter one way or another come Dec. 27th. Just thank God we were put on alert. If it doesnīt happen, weīre safe for awhile because of exposure. "They" hate when that happens. Itīs nice to know the Watchers are watching the watchers. We all can sleep better...at least for now. |
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eagle has landed
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
#5
Someone is floating concepts for a new novel. The novel cannot really be published because it hits too close to home, and it would end the authorīs career. So he/she posts here for free.
#6
GG is a member of the "Library". His goal is to expose and diseminate info. Why he would pick only this forum is suspect. He hopes to expose the scoundrels, and nothing else.
In the case of #4, I still have trouble finding any info he posted that can be PROVEN to be inaccurate. It is all in the realm of possibilities. The date is total BS, but he admits that, and I believe that it is the attention getter. |
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Circulator 38
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
* Nineteen companies on the Fortune 500 list are headquartered in Houston.
* Houston ranks fifth among metro areas (MSAs and CMSAs) in the number of Fortune 500 headquarters, behind New York, Chicago, San Francisco and Los Angeles. Many other Fortune 500 companies maintain U.S. administrative headquarters in Houston.
* Of the worldīs 100 largest non-U.S.-based corporations, at least 49 have nonretail operations in Houston.
* In mid-2002, Dun & Bradstreet reported 29,626 Houston-area (CMSA) business firms with annual sales of $1 million or more.
Anyone wanna run these through a ticker and look for unusual activity? |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
exposing dates is a good way to get them to change it. and the best way is through the web where these things spread like wild fire. |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
>Contemplating on German Guyīs posts for several days, I have listed the possible scenarios for creating such a stir.
As usual, Science Never omits the most plausible explaination.
Itīs a typical GLP hoax. |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
"exposing dates is a good way to get them to change it. and the best way is through the web where these things spread like wild fire."
Typical James McCanney excuse for why the things he predicts never happen.
"I blew the cover off it, so they had NO CHOICE but to abort the event."
How fucking lame. |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
Exposing problems doesnīt hurt. And it may just very well change everything. Donīt pass it all off as lame. It does work. |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
Houston Emergency Center problems - cont.
KTRK-13 is reporting on another problem related to the Houston Emergency Center mess. Hereīs the description of the problem:
What happens is this -- when a call comes into Houstonīs emergency operation center, the information is sent out to HPDīs central booking facility. From there a dispatcher switches it into the officerīs mobile data terminal, or MDT. Problem is, when the MDT crashes, the dispatcher has no way of tracking the officer or uploading information from the field.
And here is an example of the problem:
Alone and frustrated, our cameras caught up with Officer Gutierrez moments after the man she stopped to question ran away. The car he was in turned out to be stolen.
She said, "Iīm not going to run after the guy. I didnīt have any help and our computer system is down. I donīt run after people if I donīt have no help."
Angry at more than how the situation ended, Gutierrez says what concerns her most is why she didnīt get the help she needed.
"I had earlier asked if a unit was available," Officer Gutierrez explained. "But thereīs not, thereīs only two people out here right now. When he started running, I said, īI ainīt chasing after him.ī I have no help and she donīt know where Iīm at."
"She" is the dispatcher. The computer system that lets the dispatcher see the officerīs location and the location of other units in the area wasnīt working Wednesday morning due to a switching problem.
Hereīs the official HPD reaction:
Chief Hurtt hadnīt heard about Wednesday morningīs incident, but admits what happened to Officer Gutierrez is the symptom of a much larger problem. Itīs one he says is being dealt with right now.
"Weīve already hired a third party to come in and review the system and process and give us an insight as to what our next step should be," said Chief Hurtt.
A department spokesperson says the administration is investigating what happened to Officer Gutierrez.
The one area thatīs been a cause for concern is the Houston emergency center. Ever since it opened last year, the center has been plagued with computer failures and complaints from dispatchers. The $53 million system was designed to improve emergency response time and consolidate the cityīs fire and police dispatchers but itīs only created more problems. An outside firm is looking into the problems. A full report is expected within three months.
$53 million? Oh my. I donīt think I had seen the HEC price tag before.
Chief Hurtt and Mayor White should have been dealing with this issue long before now -- and not just by hiring an outside consulting firm to examine the problems. At the top of any mayorīs priority list should be public safety, not a grand new park. |
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eagle has landed
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
10:54 - I thought HOAX was #4. If not, weīll need to add another.
10:57 - Yes - of course it is a possibility we must consider. I really donīt buy the date. Both Presidential candidates admitted that a nuclear bomb was the biggest threat to the USA. The only question is when and where, and how much money can be made. |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
Where are Americaīs oil reserves?
I know Houston/Dallas is Americaīs oil
heart. |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
Possibility #1
German Guy is a 40 year old overweight male who works at McDonalds and lives in his momīs basement. His story is his ultimate fantasy (shared by many on this board) the he magically knows more about world events than those serving their country in office. He elevates himself to some super-important insider position in his story to counter his own unnecessary life status. |
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Houston Caretaker
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
We are working OVERTIME$ all weekend to unload boxes and boxes of food and bottles of water in to all the schools. |
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Somewhat Skeptical
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
After reading and re-reading the GGīs postings here I have to say that it is written quite well and all sounds quite plausible. It seems to have the cadence of an intelligence agent. However I have one major criticism as a whole: that is that if "The Library" has got the goods on everyone and has actual documents related to "secret history" then they could have long ago brought down anyone they wished by a timely well thought out leak. Like if they had the actual documentation that Madrid was done using explosives from Long Island for instance. Or that Beslan was engineered by the CIA. Perhaps it would require something about the domestic side of things though like leaking something that would point out how compromised the 9-11 Commission was. I donīt know but if there was an organization such as this I would think that they would have plenty of material related to treasonous actions of the highest of the high-as this Admin has been ridiculously so.
That is my only complaint though and everything else seems to fit. |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
Danke. Ich ließ viele Anhaltspunkte. |
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AC
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
Last Summer there were several attempts to sabatoge oil refineries and oil storage in Houston. There were several fires, including chemical fires. This could have been a "dry run" to see how the emergency management responded or didnīt respond.
Bush Sr.īs name is all over Houston. He was CEO of Zapata Offshore back in the late ī60īs and early 70īs, Zapata was a CIA front operation, based in Houston. The George Bush Intercontental Airport is in Houston, along with many other things named after him.
Bush Jr., it is speculated, had a hard on for Iraq because of the assassination attempt on his dad. The operatives were thought to be either Iraqi or terrorists based in Iraq. An attack on Houston could be interpreted as a "smear" on the Bush Sr. legacy.
Houston is a logical place. They could blame the lack of preparedness, and inability to avert the attack on the fact that the Gulf of Mexico gives free passage back in forth into Houston.
The date really doesnīt matter. There were dozens and dozens of stories after 911 of people who openly said that the attack would occur on that date. An Egyptian born middle school boy, in Brooklyn, looked out the window of his classroom, pointed to the twin towers and said to his teacher and entire class "they wonīt be there next week." Its documened that over 4,000 Israeliīs who worked in the WTC buildings did not show up for work that day. ETC, ETC, ETC.
If its planned as GG has said, and it goes off, it could have been a warning to anyone with any sense to not be in the Houston area the week after Christmas. |
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O-Ren
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
I agree 10:57, it makes little difference if the peons know what time it is or not. |
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Translation
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
Thanks. I left many reference points. |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
The US will very very soon be defaulting on its debts.
Houston blows. (What did GG say about amount of oil resources stored there? 50%?)
Good excuse to default on international debt.
Also good official excuse for collapse of US economy.
Itīs like the 5.6 billion dollars that it would have cost to safely bring down the Twin Towers in 1989 when they discovered the galvanic corrosion. And then decided to scrap the plans saying they would wait 10 years and blow it up.
What is the bottom line?
Itīs profit. Financial profit.
And you get together a think tank and weigh all the different possibilities of tangents A-Z to see what feasible scenario provides the greatest amount of profit.
And on the perverse side of Anglo-Saxon culture anything is permitted as long as you donīt get caught with your trousers down.
Getting caught is the no no, not the doing of it.
Also, concerning fanatic Israelies- it is so very easy to manipulate a fanatic, nothing easier in the world.
They are going to be rather upset when they come to their senses.
But then, it is so refreshing to see the great manipulator being so masterfully manipulated. |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
The reason you KNOW GG is a complete fantasist.
He, in more than one post has ranted on about purely domestic, parochial, US issues, in a rather obbsessive manner, somewhat as Zakk does. Things that someone not in the locality would know or care about.
German Guy. Yeah someone has it. A fat 40 year old with mom, a PC, some greasy pizza and way too much imagination, picking up on the fear and paranoia on display at places like, GLP, RMN, etc. |
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Miguelangelo
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
Life is a pottery class. |
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eagle has landed
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
German guy -
When was the Library formed?
What relationship if any, does it have to classical organizations whose purpose was similiar? |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
This is the story Glow had. Change the names, dates. Done in a literate manner, could be the same person. That person is however a Moron.
Oh yes, of course, the other thing ALL these tales have in common is, when the date passes and NOTHING happens, itīs always cuz the info was leaked. Trust me if they were planning it YOU wouldnīt find out here, and any info that did leak out, they would just ignore.
Where were all these, "Insiders" before 9/11?
Oh thatīs right thier fantasies were about other things they had, "Inside" knowledge of, NOT attacks on the US. |
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Anonymous Coward
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
Der deutsche Mann ist ein englander |
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LA
12/8/2005 10:10 AM | | Re: German Guy: The information is most important...analysis required. | Quote |
Americaīs Startegic Petro Reserve is in the Salt Caverns in Louisiana. It will be filled to capacity by 2nd quarter of 2005. That is ~714 Million barrels of oil.
What a wonderful target for our enemies. |
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