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Dem pledges: I'll 'rip apart' child-rape victims on the stand and destroy their lives if they testify against a rapist.

 
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Dem pledges: I'll 'rip apart' child-rape victims on stand
'I'm going to make sure rest of their life is ruined'


Massachusetts politician and defense attorney Rep. James Fagan is under intense public scrutiny after he promised to "rip apart" child victims of rape who testify if the state imposes strict sentences for sex offenders.

Fagan, a Democrat, made his controversial remarks on the state House floor, Fox News reported.

"I'm gonna rip them apart," Fagan said of child victims. "I'm going to make sure that the rest of their life is ruined, that when they're 8 years old, they throw up; when they're 12 years old, they won't sleep; when they're 19 years old, they'll have nightmares and they'll never have a relationship with anybody."

As a defense attorney, Fagan said he would prevent accused child sex offenders from experiencing a "mandatory sentence of those draconian proportions."

According to the report, his statements angered both colleagues and activists.

"I thought his comments were over the top and unnecessary," said Bradley Jones, Massachusetts House minority leader. "I appreciate that he's a defense attorney, and felt he had a point to make, but I think it was unnecessary. It was excessive."

Mark Lunsford, a Florida father who lost his 9-year-old daughter after she was kidnapped, wrapped in a trash bag and buried alive by a sex offender in 2005, said he was shocked by Fagan's remarks. He told the Boston Herald that Fagan should have more respect for the rights of sexually abused children.

"Why doesn't he figure out a way to defend that child and put these kind of people away instead of trying to figure ways for defense attorneys to get around Jessica's Law?" Lunsford asked. "These are very serious crimes that nobody wants to take serious. What about the rights of these children?"

The bill Fagan was so strongly opposed to designates mandatory minimum sentences of 10 to 15 years for crimes against children. It has passed in the House and made its way to the Senate.

According to Fox News, law professor Phyllis Goldfarb said Fagan comments were somewhat truthful in that they describe a defense attorney's obligation to find holes in the prosecutor's case when a person accused of sexually abusing a child faces mandatory sentencing.

"It is fundamentally true … if the proof is coming almost exclusively through a child witness you may have to find a way to test it," Goldfarb said. "That's the attorney-client obligation there."

Goldfarb said Fagan's language might have been dramatic, but she said he was just describing his profession.

"You do have to challenge a witness," she told Fox News. "Some people find ways of doing that that are loyal to their role as defense attorneys – testing the proof (in ways) that aren't abusive to a witness, but it's very hard. And I think being put in that hard position is what he seems to be railing against here, using language that's probably a little bit hyperbolic."

According to Boston Herald reports, Lunsford plans to appear before the Massachusetts Senate to convince lawmakers to incorporate fixed prison sentences into the state's final version of Jessica's Law.
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Re: Dem pledges: I'll 'rip apart' child-rape victims on the stand and destroy their lives if they testify against a rapist.
Sick fuck. Probly does it himself.
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This is him saying it if you dont believe me.


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Why the law?

Because the law puts us into everything.
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What an asshole. I hope karma catches up with him soon.
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democrat ?????
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Sick fuck. Probly does it himself.
 Quoting: Coolchick


exactly what i thought. that's about the only reason i could think of for anyone to make such a statement


i hope he gets a blanket party thrown for him.



sick fuck needs his ass kicked bad. i don't usually support violence, but if someone is going to try to make life even worse for a victim of rape, a child nonetheless, they don't have "human" status in my book anymore.

kill him slowly
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Re: Dem pledges: I'll 'rip apart' child-rape victims on the stand and destroy their lives if they testify against a rapist.
Taken out of context. Typical Bush puppet tactic.

Yawn.

Total bullshit gets one star.
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Taken out of context. Typical Bush puppet tactic.

Yawn.

Total bullshit gets one star.
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You are beneath contempt..

:heedslap:
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Taken out of context. Typical Bush puppet tactic.

Yawn.

Total bullshit gets one star.
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iamwith

A thread title like this really betrays how little the OP things of the rest of us.
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Re: Dem pledges: I'll 'rip apart' child-rape victims on the stand and destroy their lives if they testify against a rapist.
the world, rightly, hold deep revulsion for perpetrators of such horrible crimes.

the police face tremendous pressure to quickly catch these criminals.

the prosecutors are under public pressure to press for and demand the longest and most severe punishments.


heaven help any innocent person charged with such a crime.

by all means lock up the guilty for a long time.

but in the mean time go and look up project innocence and see for yourself that many, many innocent men and women are in jail for crimes they didn't commit.

remember no system is perfect.

burn the child rapists, i'll give you the matches. just make sure you got the right one.
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Re: Dem pledges: I'll 'rip apart' child-rape victims on the stand and destroy their lives if they testify against a rapist.
Taken out of context. Typical Bush puppet tactic.

Yawn.

Total bullshit gets one star.


iamwith

A thread title like this really betrays how little the OP things of the rest of us.
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Just for the record - I don't think much of you either..

:&ardo:
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Re: Dem pledges: I'll 'rip apart' child-rape victims on the stand and destroy their lives if they testify against a rapist.
Taken out of context. Typical Bush puppet tactic.

Yawn.

Total bullshit gets one star.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 458808


HOW THE FUCK CAN ANY CONTEXT JUSTIFY THAT STATEMENT?!?

unless he was quoting someone else, there is no justification for such a comment.
I WILL NOT let consequences dictate my course of action!

A.K.A - Aresh, Awakened Me, An Ominous Coward (Howard), The Goddess Pandora, Aumon Haht Fith Ashai, Within The Flower and a few others...
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In all things, i am flowing back thru and in and out, within and without and beyond them.

This is the Cosm. This is both I and You.

I am the Truth, and I am the Lie - I am the very spark of the Divine!


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as soon as you even go near these things your ego knows what it is.. its all like "what ya gonna do with that?" "Hope you not gonna take it" "cause i will throw myself down on the floor and scratch, claw and bite and tantrum" - Kyuubi


"the gift of love makes much more sense than frankincense gold and myrhh" - Only Me
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Re: Dem pledges: I'll 'rip apart' child-rape victims on the stand and destroy their lives if they testify against a rapist.
Taken out of context. Typical Bush puppet tactic.

Yawn.

Total bullshit gets one star.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 458808


typical... people call you out and you slink off like a little bitch.
I WILL NOT let consequences dictate my course of action!

A.K.A - Aresh, Awakened Me, An Ominous Coward (Howard), The Goddess Pandora, Aumon Haht Fith Ashai, Within The Flower and a few others...
------------------------------------

In all things, i am flowing back thru and in and out, within and without and beyond them.

This is the Cosm. This is both I and You.

I am the Truth, and I am the Lie - I am the very spark of the Divine!


------------------
as soon as you even go near these things your ego knows what it is.. its all like "what ya gonna do with that?" "Hope you not gonna take it" "cause i will throw myself down on the floor and scratch, claw and bite and tantrum" - Kyuubi


"the gift of love makes much more sense than frankincense gold and myrhh" - Only Me
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Re: Dem pledges: I'll 'rip apart' child-rape victims on the stand and destroy their lives if they testify against a rapist.
Taken out of context. Typical Bush puppet tactic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 458808

Could you please post again, tell us more, tell us what was the context, etc?
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Re: Dem pledges: I'll 'rip apart' child-rape victims on the stand and destroy their lives if they testify against a rapist.
THAT RANKS UP THERE WITH 'RESPECTING DIGNITY OF THE RAPIST'
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That man deserves a slow, slow, painful near death experience. Then nurse him to full health, and do it again.
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Re: Dem pledges: I'll 'rip apart' child-rape victims on the stand and destroy their lives if they testify against a rapist.
What a complete monster, who the hell does he think he is defending?
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Somebody needs to provide an email or phone number to get in touch wtih this man or his agency, he needs to be thrown the hell out of his job right now, I am hoping you people will help add to the fire, this is reprehensible.
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STATE REPRESENTATIVE
JAMES H. FAGAN
State House District Office
Room 163 26 Dean Street
State House Taunton, MA 02780
Boston, MA 02133
Telephone: 617-722-2040 508-824-7000
Facsimile: 508-823-9892
E-Mail: [email protected]
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STATE REPRESENTATIVE
JAMES H. FAGAN
State House District Office
Room 163 26 Dean Street
State House Taunton, MA 02780
Boston, MA 02133
Telephone: 617-722-2040 508-824-7000
Facsimile: 508-823-9892
E-Mail: [email protected]
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Re: Dem pledges: I'll 'rip apart' child-rape victims on the stand and destroy their lives if they testify against a rapist.
So he is prepared to further destroy the life of a child in the pursuit of 'justice'? He can defend his client without doing that to an innocent child. He is a disgrace to his profession, his calling as a representative of the people and, what is more, to the human race.

His constituents should think long and hard before voting for him.
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Re: Dem pledges: I'll 'rip apart' child-rape victims on the stand and destroy their lives if they testify against a rapist.
That guy is psycho, sounds like a fucking child stalker him self. "Politicians" who say / act in such a way, should be immediatly fired to never hold such a position again.
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You are beneath contempt..
 Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat


sorry, folks. this was taken out of context. period.

first, acknowledge that children LIE. especially when encouraged by their parents.

what the guy is saying is that based on a scenario involving mandatory minimums of 10-15 where a child's word is the only proof... that child MUST be essentially grilled on the stand until they admit to lying or exaggerating, whatever.

i know someone innocent in prison for sexual acts with minors. his ex gf cunt decided she hated his guts so she talked all of her kids into testifying he fucked 'em (their words. lil kids mind you). no crying on the stand, nothing of the sort. utter bullshit.

the problem here is the proof is less necessary when involving children... which means the rate of incorrect judgments will be higher. tack a mandatory 10-15 and shit gets ugly.
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pretty fun to watch everyone dance to fox's tune, though. :)
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Just for the record - I don't think much of you either..
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WGAF?
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by all means lock up the guilty for a long time.

but in the mean time go and look up project innocence and see for yourself that many, many innocent men and women are in jail for crimes they didn't commit.

remember no system is perfect.

burn the child rapists, i'll give you the matches. just make sure you got the right one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 449573


well put!
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HOW THE FUCK CAN ANY CONTEXT JUSTIFY THAT STATEMENT?!?

unless he was quoting someone else, there is no justification for such a comment.
 Quoting: Aresh


funny nobody cares to look into that possibility. just straight to demanding death. sounds like islam!
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THAT RANKS UP THERE WITH 'RESPECTING DIGNITY OF THE RAPIST'
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nobody cares for 'innocent until proven guilty' anymore i take it?
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What a complete monster, who the hell does he think he is defending?
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potentially an innocent person. who the fuck else?

christ you people are just ACHING for the gulags.

NO PROOF! JUST JAIL!! THE PRISON INDUSTRY NEEDS MORE MONEY!!!
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Re: Dem pledges: I'll 'rip apart' child-rape victims on the stand and destroy their lives if they testify against a rapist.
sorry, folks. this was taken out of context. period.

first, acknowledge that children LIE. especially when encouraged by their parents.

what the guy is saying is that based on a scenario involving mandatory minimums of 10-15 where a child's word is the only proof... that child MUST be essentially grilled on the stand until they admit to lying or exaggerating, whatever.

i know someone innocent in prison for sexual acts with minors. his ex gf cunt decided she hated his guts so she talked all of her kids into testifying he fucked 'em (their words. lil kids mind you). no crying on the stand, nothing of the sort. utter bullshit.

the problem here is the proof is less necessary when involving children... which means the rate of incorrect judgments will be higher. tack a mandatory 10-15 and shit gets ugly.
 Quoting: dogotemn 447581

Thank you for putting this back into perspective. You can all shut the fuck up now.





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