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HOW TO TELL IF YOUR BELIEF SYSTEM IS BOGUS.

 
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HOW TO TELL IF YOUR BELIEF SYSTEM IS BOGUS.
1)It preaches/teaches absolute truth.

There is no such thing on the relative plane. There are provable and unprovable realities. Truth is relative and individually held. Truth may change as one gains experience and wisdom. What may have been true before, may not be true today based upon increased insight, experience and wisdom. Truth is whatever works for the individual to propel them toward higher realities of beingness. The ultimate reality in 3D – ALL IS ONE.


2)It presents life as a win/lose, good/bad, saved/lost proposition.

The goal of life is in the process of living, sharing, learning, creating. In other words, the goal is in living life to the fullest. There is no single goal or destination on or off this planet. Life always continues between and through periods of rest and activity, through form and formlessness.


3)It provides a man-like superhero/savior that is all determining and all necessary to find your ultimate destination.

Again, there is no goal or destination. Human life, at this time and on this planet, exists and expresses through an ongoing process of rest and activity (multiple incarnations). We are eternal in nature as ensouled beings. There is no way we can be lost in the process, nor do we need to be saved from anything that might impinge upon our soul. We are infinite beings. Mini source/creators capable of unlimited creative ability - individuated fragments of source/creator.


4)It discounts as false, anything and everything that does not support the belief system – especially when argued that the belief system was instituted by an infallible source (whether a book or an entity) as a matter of faith.


It is not for us to label or determine what is right or wrong for other individuals. People find and use their own tools or truth that compels them to identify and act. All is subjective in the area of belief, and thus, faith/belief cannot define nor determine what is true for all people. The key to true knowing is to become an exponent of reality by expanding and purifying awareness to map to all that is. At the highest states of being/consciousness/awareness, beliefs cease to exist - for all is encapsulated in beingness.


5)You look at people around you as either being closer or further from “truth” by how well the align or misalign with your truth. You look at others as good or bad, right or wrong, righteous or evil, saved or lost for all eternity based upon what they believe or fail to believe.

The most insidious/divisive byproduct of belief systems is the relative psychological disposition it confers upon its adherents that impels them to segregate themselves from those unlike them and moreover, to look at others unlike them as less than themselves, especially through the eyes of their created “god”. Looking at the history of continuous bloodshed on this planet, competing beliefs is ever near the core of all disharmony and contentiousness.



Shalom
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I don't follow ANY belief system that doesn't adapt to human knowledge.
Anything written 2000 years ago claiming infallibility is instantly disregarded.
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Re: HOW TO TELL IF YOUR BELIEF SYSTEM IS BOGUS.
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Great inquiry. Great to keep alive in our minds.


HOW TO TELL IF YOUR BELIEF SYSTEM IS BOGUS. ...
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or, consider: /cliff's notes:/


if you have one, it's bogus.


hooray


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Very astute of you.


I was going to close with that theorem but it sounded a bit glib and I felt I might put people off.
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whatever

whatever your beliefs are they shouldnt be mandatory for the children in schools,like paganism is today.
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Very astute of you.


I was going to close with that theorem but it sounded a bit glib and I felt I might put people off.
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no worries, i can shoulder that one for you ~

i'm the queen of glib ...and fairly practiced at putting people off! :-o

:-D

when it comes to good cop/bad cop... I am definitely bad cop!

-- but -- at the end of the day -- does the case get solved? there's where my main concern resides

;-)

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thinking that you think differently than others is self deception, so try no to believe in anything
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whatever

whatever your beliefs are they shouldnt be mandatory for the children in schools,like paganism is today.
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Very true.

The saddest dynamic of belief systems is the systemic indoctrination of children.

In older and more enlightened societies such as France, it is illegal to submit children and old people to mental/religious indoctrination.
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I have read entire books that did not say as much as this single sentence: “At the highest states of being/consciousness/awareness, beliefs cease to exist - for all is encapsulated in beingness.”

Pure Genius.

Powerful words, beautifully stated.

Great read, my friend.

Ten thousand thanks!
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I have read entire books that did not say as much as this single sentence: “At the highest states of being/consciousness/awareness, beliefs cease to exist - for all is encapsulated in beingness.”

Pure Genius.

Powerful words, beautifully stated.

Great read, my friend.

Ten thousand thanks!
 Quoting: The Professor 385883





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bump
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My belief system is sound.

I believe I'll have another beer.
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Re: HOW TO TELL IF YOUR BELIEF SYSTEM IS BOGUS.
Here's my rule of thumb. Typically if the orginazation is run by neo-conservatives then it's very likely bogus.
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Hmmm,
Q - "How to tell if your belief system is bogus?"
A - Have one
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Re: HOW TO TELL IF YOUR BELIEF SYSTEM IS BOGUS.
Hmmm,
Q - "How to tell if your belief system is bogus?"
A - Have one
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 296954



Ever notice how "belief system" is BS same as bullshit? Research the root of the word "system". You will find that it relates to the sewer. I tend to think I want not part of any thing that is a "system".

Jordan Maxwell is your friend. And his does one hell of a job with research. Check him out if you have not already. Plus he has a lot of really interesting stuff on his site in the "Research" category.



[link to www.jordanmaxwell.com]


hf to all!
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Re: HOW TO TELL IF YOUR BELIEF SYSTEM IS BOGUS.
I am touched, heartened and gratified with all your responses. And a bit surprised I have not been assaulted.

The purpose of life is continuous unfoldment/expression through the continuous process of genesis, integration, expansion, consolidation, death and disintegration. The notion that human life is aimed at an end point beyond life itself (heaven or hell) is a misconstruction and serious misunderstanding of life and hence, of source creator or what religious people misidentify and label as "god".


If there is one subject that should be taught in high school it should be Quantum Mechanics and Consciousness. An understanding of the constituent makeup of all creation (extant reality) along with its dynamic properties would necessarily allay all doubt and attendant fear which religion seeks to create for it to take root and flourish.

Western religion, especially, is antithetical to the quantum reality of life.



Quoting from:

[link to www.integralscience.org]


Implications: Life In The Quantum Realm


Finally, we have found our way to the quantum realm, a world of possibility and spontaneity, a world of unbroken unity. This quantum reality we have found at the end of our journey is composed of a Subject and an Object. The Subject is the One source of conscious awareness which shines forth through the Many individuals. The Object is the One potential for the appearance of the Many phenomenal appearances in all the individual worlds. This reality is prior to space, time, and causality, and is thus characterized by nonseparability and spontaneity.

Being such a profound change in our world view, what implications does this quantum reality hold for us? The most profound changes are not the changes to the world, but the changes in how we see the world. The discovery of quantum mechanics has opened up a vast new Quantum World that can free us from an outdated world view and its illusions of separation and materialism. Going far beyond superficial technological changes, the Quantum World has the potential to transform the basis of our individual and social actions. By recognizing the essential identity of oneself with other creatures, one acts from unity and compassion rather than separation and conflict. Kindness to others is kindness to oneself and cruelty to others is cruelty to oneself. In addition, by acknowledging the unity of all creatures, a common ground is established beneath the political, ideological, and cultural divisions at the root of so many world problems. In the Quantum World, separateness is only half the story. Beneath all diversity is a unity.

So, let us follow the vision of these heroic adventurers to the quantum realm. The new world has been discovered. Now it awaits those who are called to leave the old lands and seek beyond. It awaits us.
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Faith begins where thinking ends.
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"Once there lived a village of creatures along the bottom of a great crystal river. The current of the river swept silently over them all--young and old, rich and poor, good and evil, the current going its own way, knowing only it's own crystal self.

Each creature in its own manner clung tightly to the twigs and rocks of the river bottom, for clinging was their way of life, and resisting the current what each had learned from birth.

But one creature said at last, 'I am tired of clinging. Though I cannot see it with my eyes, I trust that the current knows where it is going. I shall let go, and let it take me where it will. Clinging, I shall die of boredom.'

The other creatures laughed and said, 'Fool! Let go, and that current you worship will throw you tumbled and smashed across the rocks, and you will die quicker than boredom!'

But the one heeded them not, and taking a breath did let go, and at once was tumbled and smashed by the current across the rocks.

Yet in time, as the creature refused to cling again, the current lifted him free from the bottom, and he was bruised and hurt no more.

And the creatures downstream, to whom he was a stranger, cried 'See a miracle! A creature like ourselves, yet he flies! See the Messiah, come to save us all!'

And the one carried in the current said, 'I am no more Messiah then you. The river delights to lift us free, if only we dare let go. Our true work is this voyage, this adventure.'

But they cried the more, 'Savior!' all the while clinging to the rocks and when they looked again he was gone, and they were left alone making legends of a Savior."
(Richard Bach, 'Illusions')

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Great little parable/metaphor. Thank you.
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To believe in anything is to be forever one step removed from the truth......which in itself is a belief i s'pose!
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"There is a way that seemeth right unto man but the ways thereof are the ways of Death." I do believe in absolute truth, because Jesus Christ declares "I am the way, the truth, and the light, no man comes to the Father, but by me."

Your way is a lie, and only darkness would deny absolute truth.
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Ever notice how "belief system" is BS same as bullshit?

Research the root of the word "system". You will find that it relates to the sewer. I tend to think I want not part of any thing that is a "system".

Jordan Maxwell is your friend. ...
[link to www.jordanmaxwell.com]

hf to all!
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love it… that’s like being punched in the gut with truth – Thank you :-)
Crumbling world falls through my hands —
In my mouth taste bitter sands —
Grass is burning, pulse is slow —
Drip by drip my backwards growth —

crawl…
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"There is a way that seemeth right unto man but the ways thereof are the ways of Death." I do believe in absolute truth, because Jesus Christ declares "I am the way, the truth, and the light, no man comes to the Father, but by me."

Your way is a lie, and only darkness would deny absolute truth.
 Quoting: Wingedlion 459165


It IS the darkness that claims itself as 'The Absolute Truth'






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Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
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Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
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TRUE words of wisdom OP. I can always tell how far up the ladder people are by their words.
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Interesting belief system you have their yourself.

Except that yours also fits the topic title.

Simply put.. if you can put words on it.. then its flawed. Our brains dont have the capacity (processing power) to form anywhere near adequate models of reality.
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Interesting belief system you have their yourself.

Except that yours also fits the topic title.

Simply put.. if you can put words on it.. then its flawed. Our brains dont have the capacity (processing power) to form anywhere near adequate models of reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 430584




applause2


Well said and correct..
Christianity has had thousands of years and their bibles with over millions of words, to try and convince the world of YHVH's divinity..

I can with ten words bring the whole deceit of it down!!

Even with my words, still they are inadequate to the reality that is, as the above poster has so brilliantly stated!!



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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
The opposite of bravery is not cowardice but conformity.
Nothing is more dangerous, than trying to give truth to people, who are stuck in their ways...
I am not bound by the laws of original sin.. I am one of the other people..
[link to www.paganlibrary.com]
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as for me and my house we will serve the Lord

hi ac 117166!

I won't even as this time how you know your theory to be true...

love ya!
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Interesting belief system you have their yourself.

Except that yours also fits the topic title.

Simply put.. if you can put words on it.. then its flawed. Our brains dont have the capacity (processing power) to form anywhere near adequate models of reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 430584

yes, words sure are very very limiting when I/we try to share our insights on our insights. :-)
I feel like a babbling idiot sometimes trying to express the nature of it all. It changes so often, I wonder what the point is at times! ha.
I read you & op quite clearly though.
I do find that when we 'define' our reality...in words or within ourselves, as an absolute, this can bind us in many ways. In as much as how we defend & try to uphold the belief system. To defend anything is to be out of freedom & peace. Know what I mean?
Ah, you said it pretty clear op!
Thanks!
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the great falling away is taking place...a shift.
Just like the Bible predicted.





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