Some cool information (or should I say HOT) about current magnetic activity on the Sun. BTW, I am still noticing that the Sun continues to SET further NORTH each day since the summer solstice on June 21. Normally, the Sun would start moving south again.
I live in Colorado, and my "measurement" is an observation from the third floor, west-facing balcony of my home on the front range of the Rocky Mountains in the Denver, Colorado metro area. I have a perfect view of the Rocky Mountains which allows me to see where the Sun sets each day and behind which mountain range. I'm not a scientist, just an interested observer. My identify was stolen right here on GLP, WTF!!!
Anonymous Coward User ID: 459178 United Kingdom 6/27/2008 11:32 AM
Prominances shift about and come and go all the time. Sheesh!
As for your 'Sun's in the wrong place' BS you keep pedaling - FFS give it a rest. Better still take some ACCURATE measurements and compare it with published data (try Heavens Above and log in with your location)
Man lived for thousands of years guided by the Sun and the seasons. What the fuck makes you think you're SO special that ONLY YOUR Sun is out of place.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 457970 United States 6/27/2008 12:14 PM
Some cool information (or should I say HOT) about current magnetic activity on the Sun. BTW, I am still noticing that the Sun continues to SET further NORTH each day since the summer solstice on June 21. Normally, the Sun would start moving south again.
Some cool information (or should I say HOT) about current magnetic activity on the Sun. BTW, I am still noticing that the Sun continues to SET further NORTH each day since the summer solstice on June 21. Normally, the Sun would start moving south again.
I live in Colorado, and my "measurement" is an observation from the third floor, west-facing balcony of my home on the front range of the Rocky Mountains in the Denver, Colorado metro area. I have a perfect view of the Rocky Mountains which allows me to see where the Sun sets each day and behind which mountain range. I'm not a scientist, just an interested observer.
Quoting: AmericanGirl
You would think that, after getting your ass handed to you multiple times for your idiotic "Sun is in the wrong place" BS, you would maybe learn.
But, it's fairly obvious that you are incapable of that. Please, for the love of god, don't ever reproduce.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 459193 United States 6/27/2008 12:36 PM
Some cool information (or should I say HOT) about current magnetic activity on the Sun. BTW, I am still noticing that the Sun continues to SET further NORTH each day since the summer solstice on June 21. Normally, the Sun would start moving south again.
Prominances shift about and come and go all the time. Sheesh!
As for your 'Sun's in the wrong place' BS you keep pedaling - FFS give it a rest. Better still take some ACCURATE measurements and compare it with published data (try Heavens Above and log in with your location)
Man lived for thousands of years guided by the Sun and the seasons. What the fuck makes you think you're SO special that ONLY YOUR Sun is out of place.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 459189
Science isn't always right. To the contrary, science is a bunch of "THEORIES" that other scientists spend their lives realizing were wrong in the first place, and they come up with new theories that end up being found to be wrong by the next generations of scientists. I'm just sharing my observations. I know what I see. You act like scientific theories are fact, which they are not.
And, least I post with a name. My advice to you AC, is to come foward and post under an identifiable name, pay for your membership here at GLP instead of being an Anonymous COWARD cheapskate. Then, maybe, your thoughts on the matter might be taken a bit more seriously. Until then, you are just another troll.
they just like to poop all over your threads. My identify was stolen right here on GLP, WTF!!!
AmericanGirl User ID: 459177 United States 6/27/2008 12:44 PM
You would think that, after getting your ass handed to you multiple times for your idiotic "Sun is in the wrong place" BS, you would maybe learn.
But, it's fairly obvious that you are incapable of that. Please, for the love of god, don't ever reproduce.
[quoting AC192998]
My name here at GLP is AmericanGirl, however, let me assure you that I am a 55-year-old female/mother, successful business owner with 3 very talented and successful adult sons. Genius grandchildren to join me here on Earth soon.
And, I'm not a doomer. I'm a positive thinker just sharing my observations about the Earth. I think the reason so many of you try to "bash" me regarding my Sun posts is that something is going on with our solar system that TPTB don't want any of us to know. Well, duh, I can see it with my own eyes. I'm not blind. My identify was stolen right here on GLP, WTF!!!
Anonymous Coward User ID: 429052 United States 6/27/2008 1:11 PM
Science isn't always right. To the contrary, science is a bunch of "THEORIES" that other scientists spend their lives realizing were wrong in the first place, and they come up with new theories that end up being found to be wrong by the next generations of scientists. I'm just sharing my observations. I know what I see. You act like scientific theories are fact, which they are not.
Quoting: AmericanGirl
Your right about that, AmericanGirl. Stick to your guns and follow your gut feeling.
Listen to what scientists and self-proclaimed experts have to say but if something doesn't sit right then do your own research. Follow your gut feeling. If laymen didn't do this we'd still be living on a flat earth. Don't let them keep you inside the box!
At best you will be proven right. At the worst you will realize you are wrong but will have learned much along the way.
KY6 nli User ID: 459189 United Kingdom 6/27/2008 1:55 PM
Prominances shift about and come and go all the time. Sheesh!
As for your 'Sun's in the wrong place' BS you keep pedaling - FFS give it a rest. Better still take some ACCURATE measurements and compare it with published data (try Heavens Above and log in with your location)
Man lived for thousands of years guided by the Sun and the seasons. What the fuck makes you think you're SO special that ONLY YOUR Sun is out of place.
Science isn't always right. To the contrary, science is a bunch of "THEORIES" that other scientists spend their lives realizing were wrong in the first place, and they come up with new theories that end up being found to be wrong by the next generations of scientists. I'm just sharing my observations. I know what I see. You act like scientific theories are fact, which they are not.
And, least I post with a name. My advice to you AC, is to come foward and post under an identifiable name, pay for your membership here at GLP instead of being an Anonymous COWARD cheapskate. Then, maybe, your thoughts on the matter might be taken a bit more seriously. Until then, you are just another troll.
they just like to poop all over your threads.
Quoting: AmericanGirl
Stay willfully ignorant if you want to, that is not my concern. What does piss me off is that self important, attention seeking, grandmother-to-be will be in a position to teach a future generation what can only be described as BS.
The information regarding sunset (and sunrise) is out there if you care to look it up. I suggest you try it for your location - it may surprise you!
Anonymous Coward User ID: 418010 Ukraine 6/27/2008 1:55 PM
My bet is that this winter AG will be saying the sun is to far south.
AG your observations are incorrect I'm in Littleton and the sun is exactly where it should be both by measurement and observation!
My suggestion is instead of relying on guess work go to UC and ask them to take the measurements for you while you are present. Then report their findings.
Why didn't you do the measurements from the other thread they were straight forward and simple.
What do you have to say about the KATKAM link it looks to be setting in the same place to me. You can go into the archives and look at the same day years in the past.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 459177 (OP) United States 6/27/2008 2:26 PM
My bet is that this winter AG will be saying the sun is to far south.
AG your observations are incorrect I'm in Littleton and the sun is exactly where it should be both by measurement and observation!
My suggestion is instead of relying on guess work go to UC and ask them to take the measurements for you while you are present. Then report their findings.
Why didn't you do the measurements from the other thread they were straight forward and simple.
What do you have to say about the KATKAM link it looks to be setting in the same place to me. You can go into the archives and look at the same day years in the past.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 418010
I did do the measurements on the other thread. I even posted a protractor for others to use. I just didn't post my measurement because I have a life and I was busy with other things. I got the same measurement that the other Coloradoan posted on that thread. So what.
However, my observations aren't about high noon. My observations are regarding where the sun is SETTING. Also, I grew up in the Englewood, Littleton area. You don't have the same view of the Rocky Mountains and front-range that I have from Aurora. I can see the entire front range from my third floor balcony. I'm just sharing what I see.
SCREAMMMMMM User ID: 454645 United States 6/27/2008 2:30 PM
American Girl (love the name), even before I read your brief bio, I knew you had a brain!!
As for your critics, these people have obviously never taken a course in plain geometry or logic, so that they have not been trained how to think. Nor have they taken courses in the sciences which might guide them toward understanding of our little planet and its relationship to other celestial objects.
Your critics begin with an absurd hypothesis. They tell you to ignore what you see with your own eyes in favor of published data they cannot verify or substantiate (so much for the scientific method). They are too complacent, too uncaring to look into the sky and take their own measurements, so they believe whatever information that is readily available and easily accessible. For the record, I took accurate measurements for about two years, and I know beyond all doubt that both the Sun and the Moon are not always where they “are supposed to be.”
The erratic movement of the Sun is, in my humble opinion, much too technical for your critics to comprehend, so I will not address that issue. However, the movement of the moon is not so difficult to understand, so I will offer a few words on that subject. Many people besides myself have observed an erratic movement of the moon. When a previous poster on GLP claimed that the moon was out of position, several critics responded that the moon just HAD to be in the right position because the lunar eclipse went off exactly as predicted. Of course, these critics knew nothing about the cause of a lunar eclipse, else they would have realized that if the Earth tilted, but remained in the same position relative to the celestial ecliptic, two things would occur: (1) the eclipse would be normal, and (2) the moon would appear to be out of position relative to the observer. To all you critics, let me break it down to your level of understanding:
1. The moon is that other light in the sky, not the sunny thingy (hint: it’s easier to see at nighttime).
2. The lunar (referring to the moon) eclipse occurs when the Earth is between the moon and the sun and all three bodies are aligned on all plains including the ecliptic (the sun’s equator). When the Earth, moon and sun are thus aligned, the Earth blocks the sun’s light and casts a shadow on the surface of the Moon. If the Earth were directly between the sun and the moon relative to its rotation around the sun but the moon was either above or below the celestial equator (as it usually is) there would be no eclipse because the Earth would not block the sun’s light).
3. If, during a lunar eclipse, the Earth tilted, but remained in the same positions relative to the celestial equator, there would be a normal eclipse BECAUSE, you still have the same Earth casting its shadow over the face of the moon. The relative postions of the Earth, sun and moon - the single cause of a lunar eclipse - has not changed. However, because the Earth has tilted, the moon would appear to be out of position to an observer. Duh!!!!
If you cannot visualize this, STOP, have a drink, and leave the scientific stuff to the rest of us. If you can comprehend this, then apologize to those on GLP who shared their observations with you and were rewarded by your unfounded criticism.
Almost forgot, there are a few people out there who maintain that the Earth could not be tilting because not only would the moon be out of position, but the stars as well, yet the stars appear to be where they always were. Well, well, well, and my, my, my!!!
First of all, we have OBSERVED that the moon is indeed sometimes out of position, and that single fact ends all debate. Second, those of us who actually observe the sky have noticed the stars are NOT always where they are supposed to be. The rest of the science is too complicated for your critics.
Believe what you see, American Girl. Anything less is………… well, you know.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 318980 United Kingdom 6/27/2008 3:47 PM
I did do the measurements on the other thread. I even posted a protractor for others to use. I just didn't post my measurement because I have a life and I was busy with other things. I got the same measurement that the other Coloradoan posted on that thread. So what.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 459177
So just for the record, you made the measurement and found that the axial tilt had the value it was supposed to have? Can I ask why you did not post the result?
AmericanGirl User ID: 459177 United States 6/27/2008 5:35 PM
American Girl (love the name), even before I read your brief bio, I knew you had a brain!!
As for your critics, these people have obviously never taken a course in plain geometry or logic, so that they have not been trained how to think. Nor have they taken courses in the sciences which might guide them toward understanding of our little planet and its relationship to other celestial objects.
Your critics begin with an absurd hypothesis. They tell you to ignore what you see with your own eyes in favor of published data they cannot verify or substantiate (so much for the scientific method). They are too complacent, too uncaring to look into the sky and take their own measurements, so they believe whatever information that is readily available and easily accessible. For the record, I took accurate measurements for about two years, and I know beyond all doubt that both the Sun and the Moon are not always where they “are supposed to be.”
The erratic movement of the Sun is, in my humble opinion, much too technical for your critics to comprehend, so I will not address that issue. However, the movement of the moon is not so difficult to understand, so I will offer a few words on that subject. Many people besides myself have observed an erratic movement of the moon. When a previous poster on GLP claimed that the moon was out of position, several critics responded that the moon just HAD to be in the right position because the lunar eclipse went off exactly as predicted. Of course, these critics knew nothing about the cause of a lunar eclipse, else they would have realized that if the Earth tilted, but remained in the same position relative to the celestial ecliptic, two things would occur: (1) the eclipse would be normal, and (2) the moon would appear to be out of position relative to the observer. To all you critics, let me break it down to your level of understanding:
1. The moon is that other light in the sky, not the sunny thingy (hint: it’s easier to see at nighttime).
2. The lunar (referring to the moon) eclipse occurs when the Earth is between the moon and the sun and all three bodies are aligned on all plains including the ecliptic (the sun’s equator). When the Earth, moon and sun are thus aligned, the Earth blocks the sun’s light and casts a shadow on the surface of the Moon. If the Earth were directly between the sun and the moon relative to its rotation around the sun but the moon was either above or below the celestial equator (as it usually is) there would be no eclipse because the Earth would not block the sun’s light).
3. If, during a lunar eclipse, the Earth tilted, but remained in the same positions relative to the celestial equator, there would be a normal eclipse BECAUSE, you still have the same Earth casting its shadow over the face of the moon. The relative postions of the Earth, sun and moon - the single cause of a lunar eclipse - has not changed. However, because the Earth has tilted, the moon would appear to be out of position to an observer. Duh!!!!
If you cannot visualize this, STOP, have a drink, and leave the scientific stuff to the rest of us. If you can comprehend this, then apologize to those on GLP who shared their observations with you and were rewarded by your unfounded criticism.
Almost forgot, there are a few people out there who maintain that the Earth could not be tilting because not only would the moon be out of position, but the stars as well, yet the stars appear to be where they always were. Well, well, well, and my, my, my!!!
First of all, we have OBSERVED that the moon is indeed sometimes out of position, and that single fact ends all debate. Second, those of us who actually observe the sky have noticed the stars are NOT always where they are supposed to be. The rest of the science is too complicated for your critics.
Believe what you see, American Girl. Anything less is………… well, you know.
Quoting: The Professor 385883
Thanks Professor, I do know what I see. I like stargazing and I have a perfect view of the setting sun over the Rockies so it's really easy to see clearly where the sun is setting against the Rocky Mountains (unless the Rocky Mountains are moving I'm sure it's the sun that's way too north.)
Thanks also for all the information about the moon. I appreciate it.
I live in Colorado, and my "measurement" is an observation from the third floor, west-facing balcony of my home on the front range of the Rocky Mountains in the Denver, Colorado metro area. I have a perfect view of the Rocky Mountains which allows me to see where the Sun sets each day and behind which mountain range. I'm not a scientist, just an interested observer.
Quoting: AmericanGirl
Mayb that means Denver is slowly shifting, twisting in place due to continental shelf movement
Ah hah, an alternative (and possibly even more doomy) explanation!
AmericanGirl User ID: 459177 United States 6/27/2008 5:48 PM
Mayb that means Denver is slowly shifting, twisting in place due to continental shelf movement
Ah hah, an alternative (and possibly even more doomy) explanation!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 430584
Besides, wouldn't enhanced movement of the continental shelves lead to an acceleration in the world's earthquake readings, etc? Can people all over the planet verify the sun seems "out of place" or is it just on one particular continent?
AmericanGirl User ID: 459177 United States 6/27/2008 6:00 PM
Mayb that means Denver is slowly shifting, twisting in place due to continental shelf movement
Ah hah, an alternative (and possibly even more doomy) explanation!
Besides, wouldn't enhanced movement of the continental shelves lead to an acceleration in the world's earthquake readings, etc? Can people all over the planet verify the sun seems "out of place" or is it just on one particular continent?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 430584
That is the other possibility I guess. Maybe the Rockies are shifting and we're just not noticing it. Just west of Denver along C470 there a whole section of the Earth that you see is uplifted from the continents crashing into each other. Red Rocks Amphitheater is part of this uplifted section of Earth. It's really interesting looking. I'll search to see if I can find a good pic of it to post. My identify was stolen right here on GLP, WTF!!!
AmericanGirl User ID: 459177 United States 6/27/2008 6:04 PM
Stay willfully ignorant if you want to, that is not my concern. What does piss me off is that self important, attention seeking, grandmother-to-be will be in a position to teach a future generation what can only be described as BS.
The information regarding sunset (and sunrise) is out there if you care to look it up. I suggest you try it for your location - it may surprise you! quote:KY6 nli 459189
One thing I've learned in life is this. There are some people, like you, who will bash other people regardless:
The other person can be very successful and happy and having a great life -- people like you will bash them.
The other person can be going through a down and out time in their life and -- people like you will bash them.
The reality is that you don't like yourself and I can't do anything about that so go play in some other sandbox.
I'm an awesome person and I have awesome sons and I know it so I'm happy to help you out so you can be pissed off all the time.
Maybe you might consider some antidepressent medication. My identify was stolen right here on GLP, WTF!!!
AmericanGirl User ID: 459177 United States 6/27/2008 6:31 PM
I did do the measurements on the other thread. I even posted a protractor for others to use. I just didn't post my measurement because I have a life and I was busy with other things. I got the same measurement that the other Coloradoan posted on that thread. So what.
So just for the record, you made the measurement and found that the axial tilt had the value it was supposed to have? Can I ask why you did not post the result?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318980
Again, MY POSTS ARE ABOUT WHERE THE SUN SETS. GET IT, SETTING SUN, NOT THE SUN AT HIGH NOON.
It's says right above why I didn't post my measurement. Try learning about this thing called reading comprehension. It's really fun and you might learn something. My identify was stolen right here on GLP, WTF!!!
AmericanGirl User ID: 459177 United States 6/28/2008 12:10 AM
Mayb that means Denver is slowly shifting, twisting in place due to continental shelf movement
Ah hah, an alternative (and possibly even more doomy) explanation!
Besides, wouldn't enhanced movement of the continental shelves lead to an acceleration in the world's earthquake readings, etc? Can people all over the planet verify the sun seems "out of place" or is it just on one particular continent?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 430584
Interesting points made by both of you. Check this out. There was a day earlier this year when I was looking at the mountains and heck if they didn't seem flatter. Of course, it could just have been an optical illusion. But, I look at the mountains every day and they just looked flatter, more smooth on the entire front range.
But just imagine if I would have posted something like that when people here can't even accept that the sun may be setting too far north. But it's an interesting possibility to think about.
I had an opportunity to live on a ranch in Chihuahua, Mexico in 2003 and 2004. I have always lived in Colorado so it was "weird" to be living somewhere where the sun is more north as in Hidalgo del Parral, Chihuahua where I was living. My point is that the sun in Colorado now seems to me to "match" the placement of the sun when I was in Chihuahua, Mexico. If that were so, Colorado is now at the latitude that used to be Chihuahua, Mexico in 2003 and 2004.
And, I know I've said this before, I'm not a doomer. I truly believe that the Earth is going to go through some amazing changes and we are truly blessed to get to go along for the ride. The Universe (God) has no bad intentions toward us. The only Evil that exists is created by evil humans. We just need to live up to our stewardship of this beautiful planet and then our reward will be that Earth will be a paradise. Heaven on Earth... My identify was stolen right here on GLP, WTF!!!
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