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Admiral Mullen to Israeli Air Force: "You will need at least 1000 planes to bomb Iran and to defend yourself on three battle fronts."

 
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Top US commander briefed on IDF’s four-front strategy in potential Iran war context

June 29, 2008, 9:08 AM (GMT+02:00)


Top US commander Adm. Michael Mullen sees for himself
The visiting Chairman of the US Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Michael Mullen, carried out a guided tour of Israel’s borders with Syria, Lebanon and the Gaza Strip over the weekend. It was led by the IDF chief of staff Lt. Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi and OCs Northern and Southern Commands, Maj. Gens. Eisenkott and Galant.

He was briefed on IDF tactics in a war on all these potential flashpoints in the context of a comprehensive conflict with Iran and then held long conversations with defense minister Ehud Barak and Ashkenazi.

DEBKAfile’s military sources report that it is very unusual for the top American commander to carry out a close, on-the-spot study of Israel’s potential war fronts. It was prompted on the one hand by skepticism in parts of the US high command of Israel’s ability to simultaneously strike Iran’s nuclear installations and fight off attacks from three borders while, at the same time, Adm. Mullen showed he was open to persuasion that the IDF’s prospective tactics and war plans were workable.

Military circles in Washington, commenting on the large-scale air maneuver Israel carried out with Greece earlier in June, have opined that 100 warplanes are not enough for the Israel Air Force to destroy all of Iran’s secret nuclear sites; more than 1,000 would be needed. Israel military tacticians in contact with US commanders have countered that, while Iran’s secret nuclear locations are scattered and buried deep, still, every chain has weak links and is therefore vulnerable.

The tough threats issued by Iranian Revolutionary Guards commander Mohamed Ali Jafari on Saturday, June 28, were prompted by the Adm. Mullen’s Israeli border tour, word of which was flashed to Tehran by Syrian-Iranian observation posts inside Syrian and Lebanese borders.

(The Sunday Times added that Iran moved its ballistic Shihab-3 missiles into launch positions, with Israel’s Dimona nuclear plant among its possible targets.)

Saturday, DEBKAfile reported:

The IRGC chief, Mohammad Ali Jafari issued Tehran’s toughest and most explicit threats yet in response to recent reports of Israeli preparations to strike Iran’s nuclear installations.

Hinting at an American attack, he said: “If there is a confrontation between us and the enemy from outside the region , definitely the scope will reach the oil issue.”

After this action (of imposing controls on the Gulf waterway), the oil price will rise very considerably,” he said.

Speaking to the Iranian newspaper Jam-e Jam, Jafari differentiated between Iran’s responses to possible American and Israeli attacks.

The oil weapon would be applied in reprisal for the former – “and this is among the factors deterring enemies”, he said, while “Israelis know if they take military action against Iran… the abilities of the Islamic and Shiite world, especially in the region, will deliver fatal blows.”

Jafari noted that Israel was in range of Iranian missiles.

He said Iran’s “allies in the region” could also retaliate, referring to those living in “Lebanon’s heartland of South Lebanon,” without naming Hizballah.

US forces were “more vulnerable than the Israelis” because of their troops in the region. “Iran can in different ways harm American interests, even far away,”

Jafar warned Iran’s neighbors not to let their territory be used.

“If the attack takes place from the soil of another country ... the country attacked has the right to respond to the enemy's military action from where the operation started," he said.
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I'm waiting for analysis from Sorcha Faal! LOL!
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“allies in the region”


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I cannot vouch certainly for the following.

I have read that, in an unregulated or "free" wargame, US Navy war ships in the straits of Hormuz would have been wiped out.

The technique is known as swarming. Essentially, Iran would have launched 11,000 missiles of all sorts, plus suicide speed boats, and simply swamped the highly sophisticated US defenses, wiping out the US Navy force.

Don't know if the above is actually true, but it seems an effective tactic.

Once done, the straits of Hormuz are closed, thus for all intents and purposes destroying the mid-east oil sources, at least so far as obtainability is concerned.

In the book "Dune" Paul is quoted as saying "who can destroy a thing controls that thing".

Practically speaking, I'd guess that Iran can, for some months at least, destroy the flow of oil.

THAT would be a disaster for the world, Iran included.

Honestly, I feel our planet is controlled by madmen. I voted for Bush as the lesser of two evils: how wrong I was! While they are in fact incompetent, lying hypocrites, how could Kerry or Gore have done worse?

It's all quite depressing.

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I'm waiting for analysis from Sorcha Faal! LOL!
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Oh! Am also waiting her sensational analysis as "reported to Kremlin"....
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“allies in the region”
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I wonder, if things get way out of hand and the fighting spreads on the Dooms-Day Bombing Day, even though Russia has possibly made a deal with the US, would they(Russia & China) be forced to get involved in the fighting?
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I'm waiting for analysis from Sorcha Faal! LOL!


Oh! Am also waiting her sensational analysis as "reported to Kremlin"....
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Oh you mean as REPORTED TO KERMIT..THE FROG
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Iran is one tough nation and they will be supported by Russia and other nations. Israel will be wiped off the map.

Let them plan the attack.....they shall reap what they sow.
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“allies in the region”

I wonder, if things get way out of hand and the fighting spreads on the Dooms-Day Bombing Day, even though Russia has possibly made a deal with the US, would they(Russia & China) be forced to get involved in the fighting?
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if i remember right, russia had a deal with iran of some sort... and china has investments in the area.

and many angry mujahideen folks.

if it starts, there´s no end.
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I cannot vouch certainly for the following.

I have read that, in an unregulated or "free" wargame, US Navy war ships in the straits of Hormuz would have been wiped out.

The technique is known as swarming. Essentially, Iran would have launched 11,000 missiles of all sorts, plus suicide speed boats, and simply swamped the highly sophisticated US defenses, wiping out the US Navy force.

Don't know if the above is actually true, but it seems an effective tactic.
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Yes what you have heard is correct, what I can't understand is the top US Generals just casually brushing off any Iranian responce after being attacked.

Iran has said repeatly what they will do by launching 1000's of missiles straight-away to swamp the USA/Israel radar/satellites & computer detection defences. What gives the US generals confidence that Iran will not do this? If Iran feels that their very survival is at stake, Iran will not have a worry that the US may possibly revert to using Nukes. What would the Iranian military care, they would immediately use 'everything' to attack the US/Israel at their disposal, by hitting the US & Israels most important targets.
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What they don't tell you in that report is if Israel attacks iran they cannot bomb the 1000 suspected necleur sites first. They would have to first take out suspected missile sites if they want Israel to survive.

Unlike the US I don't Israel has stealth aircraft so they cannot surprise Iran and I would suspect once Iran sees an incoming attack they would launch everything they have at Isreal and iraq. Maybe even take out Saudi Arabia and their oil.
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I'm waiting for analysis from Sorcha Faal! LOL!


Oh! Am also waiting her sensational analysis as "reported to Kremlin"....
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Wait no more. It's already out.. June 28. State of Emergency declared by Bush. Iran has nuclear capable cruise missiles.
North Korea has 200 1-5 kiloton warheads. NK, Pakistan, and Iran all collaborating. US taxpayers funding it all.

I am afraid to post link for fear of the Auto-ban.
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What they don't tell you in that report is if Israel attacks iran they cannot bomb the 1000 suspected necleur sites first. They would have to first take out suspected missile sites if they want Israel to survive.

Unlike the US I don't Israel has stealth aircraft so they cannot surprise Iran and I would suspect once Iran sees an incoming attack they would launch everything they have at Isreal and iraq. Maybe even take out Saudi Arabia and their oil.
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Israel has stealth technology, that works unlike the USA's which shows up on low resolution WWII era radar.
However whether using Russian style plasma shields or USA lets-waste-a-billion-dollars-on-stuff-that-doesn't-work-aircr​aft,
it all shows up on the Czech and Ukrainian passive detection systems.
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It wouldn't matter if Israel took out the missiles first then the nuclear facilities, Iran will regroup and their proxies will make life even more of a hell for the Israeli population. It will spiral out of control as all war games and simulations have shown.

Hell, a small boat and couple of RPG's blowing up a tanker once a week would basically shut down the shipping of oil out of the Gulf, so it will not be a simple bomb the hell out of them and it's over.
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Are the carriers in position? Where will the U.S. air support be launched from? It will be sold to the public as america flying backup support for an israeli airstrike.

"My fellow americans... this morning at 5 a.m. eastern time, the united states used warplanes as support in an israeli operation to disarm ahmednijab who was shown by recently acquired documents from north korea to possess near operational weapons grade plutonium filled warheads...."
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They got 1000's and 1000's of planes. They never throw nothing away. They have 10,000 Spads.
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Admiral Mullen to Israeli Air Force: You're on your own.
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Admiral Mullen to Israeli Air Force: You're on your own.
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If Israel or the US opened up their attack on Iran with a HEMP detonation, that might take out all those thousands of missiles and newer speedboats that are waiting to be used. Are they all hardened? Are they all hardened well enough?

It'd also take out much of their newer oil pumping and transport infrastructure, their banking industry, their propaganda machine, their local CNN affiliate, etc.

Add to this some HAARP earthquake action on top of those underground nuclear facilities and who needs conventional bombs except for show? "Oh, look- all that carpet bombing must have set off that nasty earthquake..."

Perhaps Russia, China, or the Japanese mafia will jump in with some counter-scalar wars in an attempt to thwart the earthquake machines. Keep an eye out for power plants blowing up in odd places. (like Chernobyl did...)

Got popcorn & a dedicated Keyhole?
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How do you destroy nuclear weapons without massive radiation contamination?
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"My fellow americans... this morning at 5 a.m. eastern time, the united states used warplanes as support in an israeli operation to disarm ahmednijab who was shown by recently acquired documents from north korea to possess near operational weapons grade plutonium filled warheads...."
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Bye Bye green zone
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“allies in the region”

I wonder, if things get way out of hand and the fighting spreads on the Dooms-Day Bombing Day, even though Russia has possibly made a deal with the US, would they(Russia & China) be forced to get involved in the fighting?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 439828


Don't be ridiculous - Russia and China are AT LEAST as unhappy over the prospect of a nuclear armed mullah regime as the US..
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What they don't tell you in that report is if Israel attacks iran they cannot bomb the 1000 suspected necleur sites first. They would have to first take out suspected missile sites if they want Israel to survive.

Unlike the US I don't Israel has stealth aircraft so they cannot surprise Iran and I would suspect once Iran sees an incoming attack they would launch everything they have at Isreal and iraq. Maybe even take out Saudi Arabia and their oil.
 Quoting: Rota


so, there's a 'silver lining' in this after all.


No Sauds, No Joooz, No more Iranians.

I like it!

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How do you destroy nuclear weapons without massive radiation contamination?
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Destroy them while they are deep underground.

But really, any operational nuclear devices Iran already has, have probably been purchased from the Russian mafia using your gasoline dollars. And they probably have already been deployed to Tel Aviv, London, Paris, Sydney and New York City, whose handlers are awaiting further instructions.

Or, they might soon be loaded onto outbound cargo ships by the time anyone attacks Iran. Then they'll be detonated when the ship reaches its destination.
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Don't be ridiculous - Russia and China are AT LEAST as unhappy over the prospect of a nuclear armed mullah regime as the US..
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I actually agree with you for once. That is why they will turn a cheek. Everyone thinks it will be the start of WWIII, but it will not be the catalyst.
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Don't be ridiculous - Russia and China are AT LEAST as unhappy over the prospect of a nuclear armed mullah regime as the US..


I actually agree with you for once. That is why they will turn a cheek. Everyone thinks it will be the start of WWIII, but it will not be the catalyst.
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But what if this isn't about nukes? What if Iran is really ten years away from having them and Russia and China know this? What if this is a zionist war to get rid of nations Israel doesn't like? Or an attempt by the US to control oil? What would they think about that?

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Don't be ridiculous - Russia and China are AT LEAST as unhappy over the prospect of a nuclear armed mullah regime as the US..


I actually agree with you for once. That is why they will turn a cheek. Everyone thinks it will be the start of WWIII, but it will not be the catalyst.

But what if this isn't about nukes? What if Iran is really ten years away from having them and Russia and China know this? What if this is a zionist war to get rid of nations Israel doesn't like? Or an attempt by the US to control oil? What would they think about that?

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 Quoting: Rota


It is, and isn't about nukes. They very well could be 10 years away, but neither of the 3 super powers are willing to see that day.

Oil is a top priority. Oil controls the world, and he who controls it, controls EVERYTHING. But, it is only one aspect, one bonus per se.

Think outside of the box. There is a reason 2 super powers are willing to let one have a go.

Once you see the chess game being played you will begin to understand just how fucked we human slaves really are.

Look at N.K. for a second. China was their biggest "pretender" ally during negotiations. Why?

Notice they accomplished their mission. N.K. divulged their tech tree.

Purpose served very well.

Russia moves into Afghanistan. Why?

Russia, is/was Iran's top backer. China was 2nd.

Sell outs? Back stabbers? Think.

See the game, for the game being played. Do not let decade old programmed responses cloud your thinking. This game is all to obvious if you can see clearly.

The downside is we who live in a America will have the hardest time making adjustments.
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So whose going to foot Israel's bills when gas is $50 a gallon, the Jumerikan pee-ons are all unemployed and flat broke, and the Jumerikan quisling "government" can't gouge any more money out of them?

What happens to the Jewish ticks when the dog they're living off of keels over dead?





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