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Killing an innocent creature for a ritual is flat fucking EVIL

 
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you mean "created" ?????

Why is that even germain to the topic?
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eh, see that all the time

weird

like an attempt to derail the topic? doesn't really matter. I think that's just basic trolling 101. But why troll a thread about basic philosophy. maybe he's trying to turn it into a meat eating discussion? kinda misses the point by about 10 miles.
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see what all the time?

how is responding to comments YOU posted in YOUR thread derailing the thread?

YOU stated you think man is the steward of the animals

I asked you a simple question in response to YOUR statement

"who was steward before humans?"

and instead of answering that YOU cry foul and claim I am derailing a thread as i respond to things YOU wrote

I never once brought up meat eating... I responded to YOU saying man is the steward over all animals
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I am not going to get into the meat eating argument with you. This is about ritual sacrifice. If you have a problem with your diet, then engage in some thought about it. I'm not going to tell you what to eat. I do stand behind my assertion that ritual sacrifice is an evil waste of life.
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one more time tard, no one is arguing about meat eating

but about killing innocent life


try and keep up with the topic of your own thread, jethro
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yeah

pretty sure that pisses God off
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god sacrificed all of humanity in a flood apparently
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I sincerely doubt that

I stick to my assertion that the bible is full of lies
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okay then who is killing all the children born with cancers?

is that god?

he feels some babies should be born with terminal diseass and their parents should have to suffer the pain of having a child die young and feel pain?
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you know, cancer was very rare until recently

so I'm giving credit for THAT one to the Kabal

and standing by my assertion that we turned God's kingdom into Hell by believing evil lies and engaging in evil practices
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yeah

pretty sure that pisses God off
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god sacrificed all of humanity in a flood apparently
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I sincerely doubt that

I stick to my assertion that the bible is full of lies
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okay then who is killing all the children born with cancers?

is that god?

he feels some babies should be born with terminal diseass and their parents should have to suffer the pain of having a child die young and feel pain?
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you know, cancer was very rare until recently

so I'm giving credit for THAT one to the Kabal

and standing by my assertion that we turned God's kingdom into Hell by believing evil lies and engaging in evil practices
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why does it matter?

I'm not even sure there ever was an earth without humans.

Maybe. I dunno, but scientists lie all the time. I learned that hard truth from COVID.

All I know is I'm here now.

And I have an obligation to be a good steward of this world. Maybe if enough of us take up that obligation, it won't be Hell anymore.
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as long as you remain so miserable about life and towards ideas that you don't comprehend, it will always be hell to you.

The real Hell is for those like you after you are judged for your words and actions to spend your eternity forever and ever. I feel sorry for you.
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shrugs

ok

I think you might be trying to convince yourself though.
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that AC is not claiming the world is hell

YOU are
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I absolutely am

and I'm pointing out that we can fix that
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It's just a natural end to our time here.

Killing, now that's pretty unnatural.

Probably stems from my belief that life has a purpose and it should be left alone to fulfill that purpose, whatever it is for that individual life.
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so why don't you let plants live fulfill their life?

plants are living

yet you murder them all the time and stop them from fulfilling their purpose
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18440068


yeah, the meat eating argument lol

that's not what this thread is about. but if you're trying to defend factory farming, ew.
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the thread is about killing an innocent creature

so why are you okay killing innocent plants

and show me where I defend factory farming

YOU said living beings CHOOSE suffering... so do all the animals in factory farming CHOOSE to suffer in a factory farm?
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No, again, this thread is about killing an innocent creature for a RITUAL, which is flat fucking evil
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why does it matter?

I'm not even sure there ever was an earth without humans.

Maybe. I dunno, but scientists lie all the time. I learned that hard truth from COVID.

All I know is I'm here now.

And I have an obligation to be a good steward of this world. Maybe if enough of us take up that obligation, it won't be Hell anymore.
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as long as you remain so miserable about life and towards ideas that you don't comprehend, it will always be hell to you.

The real Hell is for those like you after you are judged for your words and actions to spend your eternity forever and ever. I feel sorry for you.
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shrugs

ok

I think you might be trying to convince yourself though.
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already convinced I feel sorry for you. Already convinced that you think you are wise, but have your own ideas that don't match reality most likely because you are so miserable with life you need to find some excuse to convince yourself. Sad!
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Not if you eat according to the instructions given to mankind BEFORE the reformatting....... Which now, today, people disdain, condemn, teach against, blah blah blah
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the "reformatting"???
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yes.

2nd creation story. It's in yur buy-bull.
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so after the flood.... why did there need to be 2 creation stories? God made man in his image and man turned out to be so flawed he had to kill them all and start over

a perfect being doesn't need to start over and redo things
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so one would think.

I could take it further than that, but don't really see the point.
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There is NO evidence that consciousness arises from the brain. What we have observed are correlations between brain states and reported experience, which is NOT the same, and can NEVER prove that consciousness is a product of brain activity.

The materialist idea that consciousness emerges from brain activity is only one of many tenable positions.

For example, the dualist position that: "the brain is not an organ that generates consciousness, but rather an instrument evolved to transmit and limit the processes of consciousness; and of conscious attention so as to restrict them to those aspects of the material environment which at any moment are crucial for the terrestrial success of the individual"

...is just as compatible with neuroscience as materialism is.

Alternatively, the idealist position that mind is fundamental and underlies all things is also perfectly compatible with our observations.

Idealism is also more parsimonious than materialism, so there is no reason to assume materialism by default.
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and you studied neuroscience and consciousness where again?

"the materialist" idea..... you know who you know about the "materialist" idea? from existing in a material body in the material world.

and if the brain is a receiver for consciousness that still would imply the necessity of a material brain for an individual to experience conscious life

idealism states that reality is a mental construct... so what mind is construct reality then? Is it only human minds that construct reality? if so what was happening for millions and millions and billions of years before human minds showed up to "construct reality"

you know why we assume material notion by default...? go smash your hand with a hammer and find out
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You have no idea what you are talking about. To begin with, the question of what consciousness is, is not the domain of neuroscience! Science works through observation and testing, and it is not possible to observe consciousness to be a function of the brain. No amount of observation and testing can answer such fundamental questions.

This is a topic for philosophy of mind! The substance dualist who made that quote held the position that the evolved human brain serves to restrict aspects of consciousness, so that we can have a uniquely human experience. That quote in no way implies that subjective experience requires the brain. That's the whole point of divergence between dualism and materialism!

For example, if you hit your head and suffer amnesia, there are multiple ways that you can view that. You could assume memories to be a function of the brain, and take the position that the memories themselves have been mechanically damaged. Alternatively, the dualist whose quote I shared would argue that your brain, which serves to restrict your consciousness to a very limited range, has merely lost the ability to access those memories, and that the memories themselves have not been destroyed.

Substance dualism only implies that mind and matter are separate, and that there is interaction between the two. It does not imply that one requires the other! I am not a substance dualist, because I find idealism to be far more parsimonious, but substance dualism is tenable.

Next, your objection to idealism shows a complete lack of understanding of idealism. Idealism implies that fundamental mind underlies all things. There is no "billions of years" before human minds evolved. Under idealism, humanity evolved within mind. Ex, the brain exists within mind, not mind within the brain. This too, is compatible with everything that neuroscience has observed.
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Interesting.
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Indeed
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not that I'm buying into the Book, but all of that stuff ends up in there for one reason or another. based on something that happened for sure. very interesting
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Yes, one must study a lot and God will show you deep things. The bible is a spiritual book not a history book.
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agreed. read it cover to cover as a child and young adult

many good things in there

and a lot of horse shit

holy spirit helps to discern

or you can just learn by listening to God. He speaks to us constantly
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god sacrificed all of humanity in a flood apparently
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I sincerely doubt that

I stick to my assertion that the bible is full of lies
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okay then who is killing all the children born with cancers?

is that god?

he feels some babies should be born with terminal diseass and their parents should have to suffer the pain of having a child die young and feel pain?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18440068


you know, cancer was very rare until recently

so I'm giving credit for THAT one to the Kabal

and standing by my assertion that we turned God's kingdom into Hell by believing evil lies and engaging in evil practices
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86987200


oooh right right, cancer didn't exist until the 21st century and the cabal invented it

and we get it, you think the world is hell because your life is miserable and has no meaning WE GET IT ALREADY


"The earliest known descriptions of cancer appear in several papyri from ancient Egypt. The Edwin Smith Papyrus was written around 1600 BC (possibly a fragmentary copy of a text from 2500 BC) and contains a description of cancer, as well as a procedure to remove breast tumours by cauterization, stating that the disease has no treatment"
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It's just a natural end to our time here.

Killing, now that's pretty unnatural.

Probably stems from my belief that life has a purpose and it should be left alone to fulfill that purpose, whatever it is for that individual life.
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so why don't you let plants live fulfill their life?

plants are living

yet you murder them all the time and stop them from fulfilling their purpose
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18440068


yeah, the meat eating argument lol

that's not what this thread is about. but if you're trying to defend factory farming, ew.
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I didn't know that family meals were killing rituals, but now that the dude mentions it.............

Yeah!!! I guess they are!
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I wouldn't define a ritual that way. I see ritual more as useless slaughter designed for some superstitious belief.

That seems more like an attempt to reframe the conversation around meat eating, which a lot of people try so feverishly to defend that it makes me wonder why they feel the need
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Dude we live in a world where that is normal. Yes it is sick, yes it is demonic, yes they convinced you to kill your kids for chrome. Can't un fk it now.
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sure we can!

We're about to

I don't really believe in the literal interpretation of Satan's thousand years to rule by the way. It's sarcasm.

God owns this world, lock, stock, and barrel.

He's just being patient.
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And Satan is currently the government of Earth.
All of it.
Everyone and everything in it.
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Don't care.
Still voting Trump!
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the "reformatting"???
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yes.

2nd creation story. It's in yur buy-bull.
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so after the flood.... why did there need to be 2 creation stories? God made man in his image and man turned out to be so flawed he had to kill them all and start over

a perfect being doesn't need to start over and redo things
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so one would think.

I could take it further than that, but don't really see the point.
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so god is an imperfect being who fucks up

got it
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Dude we live in a world where that is normal. Yes it is sick, yes it is demonic, yes they convinced you to kill your kids for chrome. Can't un fk it now.
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sure we can!

We're about to

I don't really believe in the literal interpretation of Satan's thousand years to rule by the way. It's sarcasm.

God owns this world, lock, stock, and barrel.

He's just being patient.
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And Satan is currently the government of Earth.
All of it.
Everyone and everything in it.
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so that includes you then

got it

where does this half goat half man live? a lake of fire? is that near the tooth fairy's palace or easter bunny den?
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eh, see that all the time

weird

like an attempt to derail the topic? doesn't really matter. I think that's just basic trolling 101. But why troll a thread about basic philosophy. maybe he's trying to turn it into a meat eating discussion? kinda misses the point by about 10 miles.
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see what all the time?

how is responding to comments YOU posted in YOUR thread derailing the thread?

YOU stated you think man is the steward of the animals

I asked you a simple question in response to YOUR statement

"who was steward before humans?"

and instead of answering that YOU cry foul and claim I am derailing a thread as i respond to things YOU wrote

I never once brought up meat eating... I responded to YOU saying man is the steward over all animals
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I am not going to get into the meat eating argument with you. This is about ritual sacrifice. If you have a problem with your diet, then engage in some thought about it. I'm not going to tell you what to eat. I do stand behind my assertion that ritual sacrifice is an evil waste of life.
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one more time tard, no one is arguing about meat eating

but about killing innocent life


try and keep up with the topic of your own thread, jethro
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?

should I care about your insults?

it's not about killing innocent life, again, it's about killing an innocent creature for a RITUAL, which is flat fucking evil. If you feel so bad about eating meat, then don't do it anymore. I've noticed that cognitive dissonance tends to make people dismissive and mean. You don't have to live like that. God loves you, whatever you eat for dinner.
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so why don't you let plants live fulfill their life?

plants are living

yet you murder them all the time and stop them from fulfilling their purpose
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yeah, the meat eating argument lol

that's not what this thread is about. but if you're trying to defend factory farming, ew.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86987200


I didn't know that family meals were killing rituals, but now that the dude mentions it.............

Yeah!!! I guess they are!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86989465


I wouldn't define a ritual that way. I see ritual more as useless slaughter designed for some superstitious belief.

That seems more like an attempt to reframe the conversation around meat eating, which a lot of people try so feverishly to defend that it makes me wonder why they feel the need
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no one is talking about meat eating karen

they are talking about killing innocent life
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see what all the time?

how is responding to comments YOU posted in YOUR thread derailing the thread?

YOU stated you think man is the steward of the animals

I asked you a simple question in response to YOUR statement

"who was steward before humans?"

and instead of answering that YOU cry foul and claim I am derailing a thread as i respond to things YOU wrote

I never once brought up meat eating... I responded to YOU saying man is the steward over all animals
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I am not going to get into the meat eating argument with you. This is about ritual sacrifice. If you have a problem with your diet, then engage in some thought about it. I'm not going to tell you what to eat. I do stand behind my assertion that ritual sacrifice is an evil waste of life.
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one more time tard, no one is arguing about meat eating

but about killing innocent life


try and keep up with the topic of your own thread, jethro
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?

should I care about your insults?

it's not about killing innocent life, again, it's about killing an innocent creature for a RITUAL, which is flat fucking evil. If you feel so bad about eating meat, then don't do it anymore. I've noticed that cognitive dissonance tends to make people dismissive and mean. You don't have to live like that. God loves you, whatever you eat for dinner.
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they are not insults, but helpful observations

you are tarded and need to be made aware of that fact so you stop spreadign your tarded ideas to non tarded people

cognitive dissonance..like thinking the "cabal" created cancer

you see? you see how tarded you are?
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why does it matter?

I'm not even sure there ever was an earth without humans.

Maybe. I dunno, but scientists lie all the time. I learned that hard truth from COVID.

All I know is I'm here now.

And I have an obligation to be a good steward of this world. Maybe if enough of us take up that obligation, it won't be Hell anymore.
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as long as you remain so miserable about life and towards ideas that you don't comprehend, it will always be hell to you.

The real Hell is for those like you after you are judged for your words and actions to spend your eternity forever and ever. I feel sorry for you.
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shrugs

ok

I think you might be trying to convince yourself though.
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already convinced I feel sorry for you. Already convinced that you think you are wise, but have your own ideas that don't match reality most likely because you are so miserable with life you need to find some excuse to convince yourself. Sad!
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Well, then thank you for your sympathy if it's sincere, even if misplaced it means you have good intentions.

I think you're going for condescension though, which is more an attempt at cruelty.

Not really hurt by it. Just pointing out that I don't really believe the sincerity of your words.
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Interesting.
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Indeed
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not that I'm buying into the Book, but all of that stuff ends up in there for one reason or another. based on something that happened for sure. very interesting
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Yes, one must study a lot and God will show you deep things. The bible is a spiritual book not a history book.
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so why do you then support the bible saying man is steward of the animals

how is that spiritual? how is claiming dominance over other lives a "spiritual" thing?
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I sincerely doubt that

I stick to my assertion that the bible is full of lies
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okay then who is killing all the children born with cancers?

is that god?

he feels some babies should be born with terminal diseass and their parents should have to suffer the pain of having a child die young and feel pain?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18440068


you know, cancer was very rare until recently

so I'm giving credit for THAT one to the Kabal

and standing by my assertion that we turned God's kingdom into Hell by believing evil lies and engaging in evil practices
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86987200


oooh right right, cancer didn't exist until the 21st century and the cabal invented it

and we get it, you think the world is hell because your life is miserable and has no meaning WE GET IT ALREADY


"The earliest known descriptions of cancer appear in several papyri from ancient Egypt. The Edwin Smith Papyrus was written around 1600 BC (possibly a fragmentary copy of a text from 2500 BC) and contains a description of cancer, as well as a procedure to remove breast tumours by cauterization, stating that the disease has no treatment"

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yeah, but we didn't have it at this rate till recently

what are you arguing with anyway?

are you REALLY defending the concept that we should be engaging in ritual sacrifice? I find that a little hard to believe. I think you might just be arguing to argue, trying very hard to find something to disagree with me about because maybe you have some cognitive dissonance about ritual sacrifice? But it seems pretty cut and dried to me. Wasteful killing is evil.
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yeah, the meat eating argument lol

that's not what this thread is about. but if you're trying to defend factory farming, ew.
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I didn't know that family meals were killing rituals, but now that the dude mentions it.............

Yeah!!! I guess they are!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86989465


I wouldn't define a ritual that way. I see ritual more as useless slaughter designed for some superstitious belief.

That seems more like an attempt to reframe the conversation around meat eating, which a lot of people try so feverishly to defend that it makes me wonder why they feel the need
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86987200


no one is talking about meat eating karen

they are talking about killing innocent life
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then go find one of those vegan threads

this is about killing an innocent creature for a RITUAL, which is flat fucking evil.

Kinda done with you too. I think you're actually human, not a bot, and you're bored so you're missing the point on purpose.
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okay then who is killing all the children born with cancers?

is that god?

he feels some babies should be born with terminal diseass and their parents should have to suffer the pain of having a child die young and feel pain?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18440068


you know, cancer was very rare until recently

so I'm giving credit for THAT one to the Kabal

and standing by my assertion that we turned God's kingdom into Hell by believing evil lies and engaging in evil practices
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86987200


oooh right right, cancer didn't exist until the 21st century and the cabal invented it

and we get it, you think the world is hell because your life is miserable and has no meaning WE GET IT ALREADY


"The earliest known descriptions of cancer appear in several papyri from ancient Egypt. The Edwin Smith Papyrus was written around 1600 BC (possibly a fragmentary copy of a text from 2500 BC) and contains a description of cancer, as well as a procedure to remove breast tumours by cauterization, stating that the disease has no treatment"

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yeah, but we didn't have it at this rate till recently

what are you arguing with anyway?

are you REALLY defending the concept that we should be engaging in ritual sacrifice? I find that a little hard to believe. I think you might just be arguing to argue, trying very hard to find something to disagree with me about because maybe you have some cognitive dissonance about ritual sacrifice? But it seems pretty cut and dried to me. Wasteful killing is evil.
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oooh okay, so the cabal created cancer then, even though it existed in 2500 BC... nice cognitive dissonance there!



show me ONE line where I support engaging in ritual sacrifice

oh wait you can't!

quote me... i will wait for you to qute one line I have written statign i support ritual sacrifice.....

you are just a butt hurt karen, who upon having people challenge you, cry and whine
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I didn't know that family meals were killing rituals, but now that the dude mentions it.............

Yeah!!! I guess they are!
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I wouldn't define a ritual that way. I see ritual more as useless slaughter designed for some superstitious belief.

That seems more like an attempt to reframe the conversation around meat eating, which a lot of people try so feverishly to defend that it makes me wonder why they feel the need
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no one is talking about meat eating karen

they are talking about killing innocent life
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then go find one of those vegan threads

this is about killing an innocent creature for a RITUAL, which is flat fucking evil.

Kinda done with you too. I think you're actually human, not a bot, and you're bored so you're missing the point on purpose.
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no one is talking about vegans or meat

BUT ABOUT KILLING INNOCENT LIFE

keep up karen
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I didn't know that family meals were killing rituals, but now that the dude mentions it.............

Yeah!!! I guess they are!
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I wouldn't define a ritual that way. I see ritual more as useless slaughter designed for some superstitious belief.

That seems more like an attempt to reframe the conversation around meat eating, which a lot of people try so feverishly to defend that it makes me wonder why they feel the need
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no one is talking about meat eating karen

they are talking about killing innocent life
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then go find one of those vegan threads

this is about killing an innocent creature for a RITUAL, which is flat fucking evil.

Kinda done with you too. I think you're actually human, not a bot, and you're bored so you're missing the point on purpose.
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so wait am i a bot or a bored human? do bots get bored?
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Indeed
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not that I'm buying into the Book, but all of that stuff ends up in there for one reason or another. based on something that happened for sure. very interesting
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Yes, one must study a lot and God will show you deep things. The bible is a spiritual book not a history book.
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so why do you then support the bible saying man is steward of the animals

how is that spiritual? how is claiming dominance over other lives a "spiritual" thing?
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My animals and I have a spiritual relationship and I have asked God to give all my animals and more, back to me in Heaven. That's spiritual.
I try to make living creatures in my domain happy, even wild ones, it's not that hard. I live in Eden. Most of my rescues would not have a life without me
God enjoys us, and certainly doesn't want me setting fire to them. My enjoyment is kindness and love, to the creatures, to God and to His Son Jesus and Theirs back to me.

Stewardship is responsibility, and the bible says if you are responsible in little, He will make you responsible in more.
I am looking forward to more.
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but abortion is fine?
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HELL NO IT'S NOT!
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I'm curious to know whether you think it is ok to die at all? Is there a morality to dying? Like is it ok to die under these particular set of circumstances but not under these other set of circumstances?

Or is dying a bad thing period and to be avoided altogether at any cost?
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It's just a natural end to our time here.

Killing, now that's pretty unnatural.

Probably stems from my belief that life has a purpose and it should be left alone to fulfill that purpose, whatever it is for that individual life.
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OP your mom need 1000 of cattle to wash her sins away so of course it never happen that someone sacrifice for her. You’re better off throwing your life in the ocean!
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not that I'm buying into the Book, but all of that stuff ends up in there for one reason or another. based on something that happened for sure. very interesting
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Yes, one must study a lot and God will show you deep things. The bible is a spiritual book not a history book.
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so why do you then support the bible saying man is steward of the animals

how is that spiritual? how is claiming dominance over other lives a "spiritual" thing?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18440068


My animals and I have a spiritual relationship and I have asked God to give all my animals and more, back to me in Heaven. That's spiritual.
I try to make living creatures in my domain happy, even wild ones, it's not that hard. I live in Eden. Most of my rescues would not have a life without me
God enjoys us, and certainly doesn't want me setting fire to them. My enjoyment is kindness and love, to the creatures, to God and to His Son Jesus and Theirs back to me.

Stewardship is responsibility, and the bible says if you are responsible in little, He will make you responsible in more.
I am looking forward to more.
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lol

Be careful what you pray for.

Humans are not accepting of God's truth.
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No-one knows where consciousness is. Those who believe it is in the brain have not proven it. Near death experiences notwithstanding, is potential evidence it exists outside of the body. Where that is? I don't know. My own theory is that it exists in a dimension we can't perceive with material observations.

As stated, I'm here for the discussion. No, I do not think that debates are from ego, especially if they are geared towards finding Truth.

Again, you're reading into my words, twisting them and adding to them. 1.) I never claimed to be superior or that I'm better than you. Attributing that to me implies an inferiority complex on your part. 2.) I never claimed that I don't have an ego, and certainly never claimed I'm "better" than anyone. All of us have an ego, but it's our job to minimize it and tame it as much as possible. How to do that is ridiculously simple, but very difficult to comprehend at first.
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so you cannot cite any scientific research that states it is not in the body as you claim. Yet you claim you seek truth... so show me the scientific research you laim that states consciousness is not in the body.

NDEs consciouness LEAVES the body... where was it before if it's not in the body? hovering outside the body following it around like a ghost?

astral travel, dreams, NDEs all show that consciousness potentailly can exist outside the body, but where is it when you are alive and in waking life? where is your consciousness before your NDE and where does it return after your NDE?

1) you never claimed to be superior, you have insuiated it when you do the think all egotistical spiritual people do which is you put down people for trusting mater and materail, for trusting neuroscience... 2) you did not claim you don't have an ego, but again you insuate that you are of some superior state when you put down oths for havign an ego

so you are like all other cliche spirituality people... you speak from a standpoint of self awarded superiority for being more "spiritual" and less "material"

you don't need to outright say things, your words reveal you are like all other self righteous "spirituality" people who consider themselves "better" then people who have no issue with mater and material reality
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Name one bit of research that tries to prove a negative.

Again, putting words in my mouth. I never claimed it was not in the body. My claim is that no-one knows where consciousness is located. The article details research that begins with the premise that it is located in the brain. It's a reasonable premise for scientists/researchers with a materialist view, but still has not been proven true.

Those are good questions about NDEs, etc.

I don't know why you need to devolve a good conversation into ad hominem.
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you never claimed it was not in the body?

LOL - there is no proof that consciousness exists in material brains.
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where is the brain again, oh right the body./

into ad hominem..... you started it by suggesting I am operating out of materialism and ego.. LOL-ing at my contribution to the debate

Am i putting words in your mouth or you want me to go get your words again?

I am used to dealign with superiority complex "spiritualist" like you who do exactly what you did and put people down for trusting in the MATERIAL matter of life. And talk liek you have some secret answers and "know more" then people who believe in matter and the material world
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LOL - What aren't you getting? Stating there is no proof for a thing does not mean asserting its opposite.

Those who reject God also appear to reject reality.
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I rescue worms.
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