L.A. Times: Envisioning a world of $200-a-barrel oil | |
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Matrix User ID: 457229 Australia 06/30/2008 02:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And they say its the terrorists who hate us for our freedoms, yet it is the bankers, oil men and government who are taking them away via inflation, speculation and pure greed. While the sheople have been looking in the shadows for their enemy to strike their fundamental ways of life, the pillars of society have been undermining them, using the evil doers as a distraction, while they plot and scheme in plain sight their way into a position where freedom costs too much to enjoy, so that in the end more belt tightening, falling standards of living and restriction must go on to survive. The Jihadists could never take over the world because they are too divided, too crazy and too small minded, but as we can see bigger forces are in play, who are just as fanatical as the radicals but they are using the forces of capitalism and communism to forge their end goal aims of forming mega monopoly mergers and cornering the commodities markets, and so are working together to weaken our way of life so that 1 world government can come(order out of chaos). The enemy is within the gates and sheople keep looking for the barbarians at the door, its time to see who the real enemy is and band together to make a stand, you are either with us or against us in this global war on poverty. |
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newliving User ID: 460536 United Kingdom 06/30/2008 03:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | but where's DOOOOM in all this........... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 460515Oh, there's DOOOOM alright, and time to face it fair and square. At least the mainstream's waking up to it - at last. Thread: Transition Towns face doom squarely in the eye |
Prof_Rabbit User ID: 148352 Australia 06/30/2008 04:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Either your government is going to have to foot the bill or steal oil from another country, that being Iran, that is why oil goes to $200. "Anger is a wind that blows out the lamp of your mind" |
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anonomous User ID: 460599 United States 06/30/2008 06:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | americans must at once produce goods and market them in the U..S. asap..no country can survive when it buys more than 40 percent of its needs, from foreign markets..start at once small interprises..clothing styles should begin to change..capitolize on it now by making thoses new styles in the U.S..at very reasonable cost from home..in spare time...be enovative..think of new and unique styles for baby furniture etc..in your garages..design new security devices..all these items could put money in your pockets during hard times.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 460657 Canada 06/30/2008 09:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | we are being led to the slaughter by a cartel of criminals. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 460571they need to die. where the hell are the law enforcement agencies worldwide? action needs to be taken, urgently. The "law enforcement agenices" are all working for the criminals. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 295112 United States 06/30/2008 10:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When you read this article you can see that that pretty much what the "experts" have said has been said for years by the experts on GLP. Yes. posters here have mentioned these problems arising as oil has crept up, which goes to show that GLP is the worlds Think Tank. Now if we could only figure out how to get paid for our visions and extrapolations, we could all work at home. One thing not mentioned in the story because its California centric is the mass migration of people who live in the northern tier that will migrate south due to the inability to heat their homes in winter. You watch, they'll ban wood burning and outdoor wood furnaces in small towns due to the smoke. Its already happening, as they tried to pass a law in a town near me banning the furnaces. Part of the forever wild idea I guess. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 380667 United States 06/30/2008 12:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And they say its the terrorists who hate us for our freedoms, yet it is the bankers, oil men and government who are taking them away via inflation, speculation and pure greed. While the sheople have been looking in the shadows for their enemy to strike their fundamental ways of life, the pillars of society have been undermining them, using the evil doers as a distraction, while they plot and scheme in plain sight their way into a position where freedom costs too much to enjoy, so that in the end more belt tightening, falling standards of living and restriction must go on to survive. Quoting: Matrix 457229The Jihadists could never take over the world because they are too divided, too crazy and too small minded, but as we can see bigger forces are in play, who are just as fanatical as the radicals but they are using the forces of capitalism and communism to forge their end goal aims of forming mega monopoly mergers and cornering the commodities markets, and so are working together to weaken our way of life so that 1 world government can come(order out of chaos). The enemy is within the gates and sheople keep looking for the barbarians at the door, its time to see who the real enemy is and band together to make a stand, you are either with us or against us in this global war on poverty. Good points. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 460756 United States 06/30/2008 01:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | but where's DOOOOM in all this........... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20293President Dickweed the Texas Turd is getting ready to bomb Iran. So not only will gas immediatly go to $10.00 a gallon, it will be when you can get it. We are ruled by thieves of such magnatude that the average person can't wrap their minds around it....They think that these people won't do that to them ,,,,but they will and do.......... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 460763 United States 06/30/2008 01:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SILVER LINING: Ordinary Americans are becoming inventors! Again! It's about time we woke up! They are inventing new ways to get energy AND they are sharing their knowledge with their neighbors. The quiet revolution going on now in backyard America is incredible. One day, the oil prices will come down and nobody will care because their energy will be free and from their own two hands. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 342843 United States 06/30/2008 02:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One thing not mentioned in the story because its California centric is the mass migration of people who live in the northern tier that will migrate south due to the inability to heat their homes in winter. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 295112You're right. Check this out: June 25, 2008 Interesting Letters from two correspondents: 1. Beware the Electric Grid this Winter I just did the math. The Northeast Electric grid is going to collapse next winter. A gallon of home heating oil is 130,500 btu's and oil burners are 80% efficient. At $4.50 a gallon 1000 btu's of oil heat costs $0.043. A kilowatt hour of electricity is 3413 btu's and electric heaters are almost 100% efficient. At $0.15 per kilowatt hour (what we pay in NH) 1000 btu's of electric heat costs $0.044. The public will soon figure out that plugging in electric space heaters and leaving the electric stove on 24/7 will be a cheaper way to heat the house next winter than to run the oil burner. Besides the electric utility companies are prohibited from shutting off your electricity during winter. Sixty percent of the homes in New England heat with oil. There is no way the electric grid can handle the increased demand. -- Correspondent in New Hampshire. |
Too old, too long User ID: 125715 United States 06/30/2008 02:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's so strange - and so perfect. Call me a conspiracy nut, I don't care. I've looked at the UN biodiversity map for the US; you know, it shows all the off-limit zones and people crowded into high-density urban areas. What's funny is that my mother showed me almost the same map back in the 1960's from some, no doubt, "conspiracy" organization: The two maps are nearly the same. So this has been coming on for a long time. I always wondered how "they" could get United States folks to make or allow such a thing to happen. It's easy - they will do it themselves, already are. Reading the OP's article makes it clear how easy it is to move populations around, if you control the distribution and cost of basic resources. Have to have a job, even if it doesn't allow for more than scraping by. Anything beats a cardboard box in some alley. Can't afford or get gas? You have to move close to keep that job. Away from pretty suburbs or rural areas to the noisy, crowded city. You've heard a certain city has plenty of affordable food? Oh yeah, you'll move, eventually. Got an epidemic in your town; that, too, will get you on the move, willingly or otherwise. The NAFTA superhighways will control and determine distribution points. If "they" want a portion of the population to migrate to another location, well, life will be made so hard that moving will be necessary just to keep going. Really, and so sad to say, it is no different than moving a herd of cattle. The Constitution and basic human rights? You're kidding, right? And -- for any of you yokels outside the US are who getting off on what is happening in the US, most likely you will not be laughing for long. This madness is coming your way, too. The PTB don't think you are any more human than they think we are. In the meantime, we are all waiting for the Fall season of "Survivor" on TV. Guess it beats trying to survive, youself, for real. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 201921 Ireland 06/30/2008 03:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In 2007 Bilderberg groups calls for $200 oil. In 2008 LA Times predicts $200 oil. [link to prisonplanet.com] [link to www.latimes.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 434204 United States 06/30/2008 05:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In 2007 Bilderberg groups calls for $200 oil. In 2008 LA Times predicts $200 oil. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 201921[link to prisonplanet.com] [link to www.latimes.com] Very good links. The one question I have is: Why would the Elite destroy the middle class? Aren't they making a killing right now and it's much easier to keep people complacent when they think they have control over their lives and are living high in style? If everything goes to hell in a hand basket they would make record profits for while, but a country in chaos is harder to control. Unless they are planning the political coup. Or plan to swap power bases to either Europe or more likely China. Thoughts? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 255704 United States 06/30/2008 06:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Many people think it's the "greedy oil companies" conspiring to wring every last penny out of our pockets. The fact is that we are really beginning to run out of enough oil to keep up with growth. A geologist back in the 1950s (Hubbel) predicted that the US (lower 48) would peak in oil production in 1970. He missed it by 1 year (1971). He predicted global oil production would peak around the year 2000 and slope downward from there... oil production has plateaued since about 2005 in spite of the huge incentive of much higher prices to produce all out. We need to look toward alternatives, because it's going to be a massive task to switch from the trillions of dollars in infrastrucure invested in the oil economy. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 255704 United States 06/30/2008 06:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Many people think it's the "greedy oil companies" conspiring to wring every last penny out of our pockets. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 255704The fact is that we are really beginning to run out of enough oil to keep up with growth. A geologist back in the 1950s (Hubbel) predicted that the US (lower 48) would peak in oil production in 1970. He missed it by 1 year (1971). He predicted global oil production would peak around the year 2000 and slope downward from there... oil production has plateaued since about 2005 in spite of the huge incentive of much higher prices to produce all out. We need to look toward alternatives, because it's going to be a massive task to switch from the trillions of dollars in infrastrucure invested in the oil economy. The geologist's name is Hubbert (not Hubbel). |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 342843 United States 06/30/2008 06:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Very good links. The one question I have is: Why would the Elite destroy the middle class? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 434204Thoughts? Assume the "elites" aren't all evil James Bond villains. Some actually have a brain. The fact is unchecked consumerism spells doom for Earth. No question about it. There are too many people and they can't all have cars, microwaves, and dishwashers. Something has to keep the "cancer" from destroying what's left of our resources, so I can see a scenario where the elites -- who fully understand the predicament we face -- make a concerted effort to raise oil prices to force people to change their lifestyle. Unlike 99% of the people here on GLP, I don't think elites are all bad and I don't think they're all out to get us. Some of them probably are scum, but some of them (I think) are trying to change things for the better, even if it is seems painful and unfair. I'm not excusing their behavior, but they're doing what they think is right. (And can anyone really argue that we Americans are entitled to Hummers and SUVs when most of the Third World is starving?) Oil is the great equalizer of nations and it seems clear to me that some uber-group is using it as a tool to manipulate the future direction of civilization. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 460955 Ireland 06/30/2008 08:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In 2007 Bilderberg groups calls for $200 oil. In 2008 LA Times predicts $200 oil. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 434204[link to prisonplanet.com] [link to www.latimes.com] Very good links. The one question I have is: Why would the Elite destroy the middle class? Aren't they making a killing right now and it's much easier to keep people complacent when they think they have control over their lives and are living high in style? If everything goes to hell in a hand basket they would make record profits for while, but a country in chaos is harder to control. Unless they are planning the political coup. Or plan to swap power bases to either Europe or more likely China. Thoughts? Hungry people will do/give-up almost anything in exchange for food. The elites will be sitting in their "castles" while the underclass continues to get poorer and less educated. It's what governments have striven to regain all throughout history. Look at history. If they wanted it back then, why not now? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 375101 United States 06/30/2008 09:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Already, the 170-mile round-trip commute to her job with Los Angeles County Child Support Services in Commerce is costing her close to $1,000 a month -- a fifth of her salary. It's got the 55-year-old thinking about retirement. "It's definitely pushing me to that point," Carver said. *dum bich shud move closer to work! |