Did anyone else see the circular chemtrails over lake erie today?

Chemtrails in Green Bay tonight. Criss crosses and x's, too.
I pointed them out to my son. When they X us, they are
trying to CURSE us. Call in the Sylphs. They are spirits
of the sky and they will clean up if you ask them. Try it
sometime!

35% pop. reduction-per PX arrival.

I noticed them, too...I was in Flint today and saw numerous chemtrails today, 9 or 10 at once...two and three being made at one time...here they were as if the planes were doing rollovers...trails looked like ribbons today, and crisscrosses, too...wtf???

Minneapolis pounded again today.

Tick, tick, tick.....DING!!!!!!

Can't, isn't, doesn't , no, not, impossible, condensation, altitude, turbofan, idiots, wackos, nutjobs, loonies, you don't know anything about aircraft or meteorology, they couldn't keep it a secret, somebody would tell, dispersal, uhh, Shnook Airlines, the Guy (I'm in the Navy so I should know), Duncan Kunz (I work for Boeing, so I should know), uhh, umm, awww, shit...

Saw the same thing over lower michigan several years ago, 3 connecting circles side by side.

This makes them look so controlled and robotic that they won't show their faces on this thread.

SAW LOOPS SUNDAY OVER THE POCONOS, THREE DISTINCT CIRCULAR "CONTRAILS" (APPARENTLY THE PILOT FORGOT HIS WALLET AT NEWARK INTERNATIONAL).

IT'S SORT OF A BIG FUCK YOU TO ANYONE WHO GETS IT, AND JUST A CUTE BACKDROP TO THOSE WHO DON'T.

You do realize that they put planes in holding patterns over the lake before they come into Hopkins, don't you?

All the planes I've ever been on that were in a holding pattern were at well below 10,000 feet. According to the shills, a plane has to be at around 30,000 feet or above before it will leave a "persistent contrail" so maybe you need to go back to debunker school, shill.

Alrighty then.


I don't see where the OP noted the altitude. Just thought I'd try a little logic and common sense before jumping to the conclusion that some big bad evil entity was spraying the sky with evil poison.

Keep on enjoying your little paranoid delusions.

We got these circular trails on march 19th in Groningen, the Netherlands. Probably it's the same phenomenon...

Lots of witnesses told that the trails appeared in at least 4 minutes, without any planes around in the sky. Suddenly they just appeared. Very strange.

The next day the Weatherforecasting bureau 'KNMI' publiced an article about an infrasound they measured on the same day in the same area. (when infrasound is measured, there must be a very large air movement).

It might have been a very large (invisible) object. A taxidriver from Arnhem reported a large black triangular craft on that same day's afternoon.

We made a report of this case. (unfortunately it's in dutch, but just watch the pictures)

[link to www.niburu.nl]

photo slideshows:

[link to picasaweb.google.com]

[link to picasaweb.google.com]

Sorry, the taxidriver spotted the triangle over Hengelo.

have you got a jet maintenance place close to you there.

we have here in South Wales in the UK. All BAs 747s are serviced there, at Cardiff Wales Airport, and every now and then you'll see exactly what you described there. It's just a plane being test flown after it's service.

not denying the chemtrail part though.

Can't you read? There were NO PLANES in the sky.

Over more than 30 witnesses reported this to us. Were you there? I don't think so.

Just watch the pictures... that should be a lot of airplanes don't you think?

interesting. michael lee hill posted on another forum today how he saw more orbs last night over lake erie again. think there is a connection?

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Well, Last night I went down to the lake, They showed up last night and exhibited behavior I have never seen do ever in the last 5 years or so they have let me film them.

A golden Orb of light, these ones were not Multi-colored but appeared to be just a huge ball of golden light, kinda like the color of fire, This ORB came in very close about 100 to 150 feet above Lake Erie and then began pulsing on & off, It would fade out and then immediately pulse back into a huge ball of golden light about the size of a small hot air balloon again & in a cycle that I would say was about a second and a half fully lit then power down, then light up, etc., it kept doing this for a good 7 to 10 minutes while hovering out in front of me within swimming distance & stayed in the same spot.

This happened two other times last night as well, Actually beyond that, they showed up with an intensity last night that I have seldom ever witnessed, the sky was filled with activity for a good 2 hours strait.

Also so you know, I had another person, A close friend with me down at the lake, She is a very open & spiritual person but what she witnessed with me last night cuased her to have a breakdown of sorts when we got back to my home, She actually began crying and almost had a panic attack I think, I felt bad for her, She just kept repeating "What the F Mike", I must say, I was a little shaken up myself but I was more in a state of Awe, It was one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen.

I did not bring my camera down with me last night because I was really kinda on a date, I do believe I am going to go back down tonight by myself and bring my camera this time.

I'll let you know if I catch anything on tape.

Peace,
Michael Lee Hill
[link to lucianarchy.proboards21.com]

what are the chances that after spending 30 minutes writing a repsonse to this thread, i would not be able to post because of a server that couldn't be found??? uncanny.

i'm the op, and you can bet i'm going to save this first before posting because my rebuttal is ironclad but necessarily lengthy.

the plane's altitude was the level at which jets cruise in order to get passengers to their destination swiftly--20 to 30k feet i imagine. planes coming into hopkins generally come from the n.e., sometimes staggered and two abreast. any holding patterns are at perhaps a couple thousand feet at best and go over the lake at this low level, such that i wouldn't be able to see them from my vantage point. the plane i saw was very high, as indicated by my comment that the trail was probably visible in detroit and across the lake in canada.

a delusion is seeing something that isn't there; however, i saw the trails. as a person who has a grad degree in counseling, i've had enough (a requirement of training) to konw that while i suffer the slings and arrows common to humans, i'm not delusional.

initially i was skeptical of chemtrails. however, reading about them on cyberspace orbit back in 99 piqued my curiosity. that fall, i was taken aback by a huge x that was painted in the sky. from my perspective, it appeared as a huge vertical x; i was so struck that i took a photo. it was probably etched in the sky somewhere between cleveland and the pennsylvania border. i began noticing other designs in the sky such as cross-hatches and checkerboard patterns that would diffuse to turn a blue day into a hazy one.

the kicker for me was that winter (99-2000) which saw a national epidemic of a strange respiratory ailment. look it up, it was in all the papers, on the news, and in major magazines. emergency rooms were swamped and the medical community was perplexed. my girlfriend came down with this ailment and spent a week in bed with an extra week off of work, trying to kick this thing. and that was not an uncommon story. it happens as well that the chemtrailing was thick at that time.

i've spent enough time looking into this issue and have seen documentation that convinces me that the tech has been developed--primarily from a military perspective--and is currently in operation. google ' Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025;' and various patents on aerial particulate dispersal; delve into the rationales for spraying including weather mod, virus dispersal, o.t.h. radar or zero point energy manipulation (haarp), atmospheric reflection to combat global warming; and studies that demonstrate atmospheric and groundwater levels of barium and aluminum that are far beyond the natural background levels, statistically occurring beyond what might be considered chance.

so, shill, it is you who is immersed in what you term a paranoid delusion, which is understandable when one lives a life of willful ignorance, in a land of unicorns and magical faeries.

thank you for posting those; i am reporting the same phenomena. those pictures are exactly what i saw, although i did see the plane that was creating them. i like how in your first link there's a picture of the central trail that shows how tight the loop was and how the trail looks like it was created while the wings were in a near-vertical position.

Nice job of capturing those photographs. I think I would be staying in on a day like that if possible.

We've been getting them, not too bad, over West Houston for about a week, including after rain.
I got these photos last week. Four jets, got photo of one, flew this triangle/cross pattern. Another flew a dark & white one at the same time that curled around itself.
We had a lot of Cloudships in the sky at the time.
Photos @ [link to www.futurequakelibrary.bravehost.com]

The ones over Erie, with Hill reporting orbs, are also associated with UFO activity.


UFO photos, some with enourmous chemtrail activity * [link to www.picasaweb.google.com]

Ritchie, what you saw was probably the wakes around Cloudships coming into lower altitudes. They show up like that in Texas all the time, espcially late afternoon.

I work at the beach in Fairport Harbor, OH and I too noticed the chemtrails on July 1st which are being referred to by the original poster of this thread. The time and location he gives are the same as what I witnessed. From my location in Fairport, the large circular chemtrails were in the sky to my west; probably 5-10 miles off the Mentor shoreline and very high in the sky. I can also confirm that during the whole day there was an inordinately large amount of air traffic/chemtrail dispersion all along Lake Erie's south shoreline for as far as I can see. Many beachgoers also noticed the phenomena and people seemed to be generally intrigued by what was happening. As many other people have said, over the course of the day there were numerous strange shapes and formations to include criss-cross patterns, parallel lines and even jets flying at high altitudes with no chemtrail dispersion. I would like to say that if the trails are just naturally occuring water-vapor contrails, don't you think that every plane in the sky should be leaving a trail behind it since they are all flying through roughly the same air mass with relatively uniform levels of humidity. Also, I would like to add that I watch the sky every day when I go to the beach and the average amount of air traffic is FAR below that which was happening in the sky on that day. To emphasize that last sentence further I will say it like this -- the air traffic in this region of country, which any normal citizen can observe just by looking up, is NEVER, EVER as voluminous as it was on July 1st. I find it hard to believe that there was a sudden gigantic spike in air travel on that day(which was a tuesday as well, not exactly a day when everyone begins or ends their vacations.) There was actually a point in time at around 6:45-7:00pm when a fellow co-worker and I counted 10 planes in the sky, ALL at once. For the vast majority of days, one would be lucky in this region of Ohio to see 10 planes in an hour. Finally and most interesting, I think it is important to note that the large circular formations were the conclusion to the day's dispersion. There seemed to be a gradual build-up of shapes and patterns all day until a final culmination around 7pm, which is when the sky was absolutely filled with stuff. There were cross shapes and parallel trails everywhere. As I said earlier, a co-worker and I counted 10 planes in the sky. Interestingly, there were some planes that were leaving not a trace of any dispresion behind them. And then there were the large circular formations. Once the plane making the circular formations was completed, all the planes seemed to leave at the same time and were mostly heading east/northeast(possibly to move on to spray their next target???) I would be interested to know if anyone further east along Lake Erie noticed anything later that evening(perhaps near Erie, PA or Buffalo, NY) I know this was long but I think it's important to give accurate, detailed accounts of what I saw. I'm not saying I know exactly what was going on; however, I am saying that what I and hundreds of others witnessed at the beach that day was bizarre, strange and unique all at once. And that's the important thing -- people should ALWAYS be cognizant when uncommon, extraordinary things happen in otherwise ordinary surroundings, because you just never know who is up to something or what they are doing.

Hey all, Everyone at my work two days ago were standing outside watching them. I told them what I know about the chemtrails and had some nonbelievers in this conspiracy theory and some even laughed and shunned me. So I said watch the sunset tonight and you will see them blocking it out with an X shape formation. Lo and behold that night there was the X and they all came to work the next day wanting to know more....

Im in Central Minnesota and they are spraying HARD

Goodluck and

great post!

great post, deserves a blue background for emphasis!

thank you, and thank you for the fairport harbor observer for that great post as well. i'm really enthused by that account which backs up my observation, in spades.

o.p.

p.s. forgive the gratuitous bump, but this thread bears remaining near the top for a little longer to allow others who may have seen this as well to further corroborate this information.

"witness" said,
"I would like to say that if the trails are just naturally occuring water-vapor contrails, don't you think that every plane in the sky should be leaving a trail behind it since they are all flying through roughly the same air mass with relatively uniform levels of humidity."

Not quite correct.
First, temperature decreases with increasing height; about 2 degC per 1000 ft. Second, humidity also caries horizontally and vertically. And planes fly at different altitudes, separated by steps of 1000 feet depending on the route/direction they are flying. Cruise altitudes are in the range roughly 30000 to 40000 feet.

The formation of contrails is very sensitive to both temperature and humidity. A few degrees and/or a few % points can make the difference between no contrail, a short contrail, or a persistent contrail. And these conditions change from day to day.
See [link to ams.allenpress.com]
(Calculations of Aircraft Contrail Formation Critical Temperatures) Go on - educate yourself.

Then there is the wind; it will move a contrail off a flight route. If the wind speed is over 60 knots you can easily see contrails (and other cirrus clouds) moving. So, obviously you will get parallel lines and grids when there are persistent contrails.

How do you know how many planes there are in the sky if they are not giving themselves away by contrailing? You would be hard pressed to pick the greyish underbelly of a jet, 6 and a half miles overhead, against a blue sky, without good optical equipment. In truth there are a _lot_ at any given time over most places.
See interesting images (art?) at [link to www.aaronkoblin.com]

I used to think there was something odd going on until I took the trouble to find out about contrails, how water vapor works at low temperatures, and about flight routes and typical cruising altitudes of jet transport. Now I know, while it isnt entirely "natural", it is what to expect from operating jet engines up there.

Kind regards.

That should be "Second, humidity also varies horizontally and vertically."

re: the lengthy post prior to this one: despite your rational and cogent post, chemtrails remain a distinct explanation due to the fact that there is a preponderance of evidence, beyond doubt, that confirms the chances that this phenomenon is deliberate.

o.p.