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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 456213 United States 07/07/2008 01:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | MEL GIBSONS, THE PASSION The most wonderful universal cosmic mystery of crucifixion which exists within every human being who actually is the cross, resulting in the ascension within each person of Christ consciousness to sit at the right hemisphere of the brain and bring forth enlightenment of peace, healing, and total love, has been reduced by this primitive culture to an R rated movie, complete with nails to hang around ones neck, popcorn, diet coke, and peanut chews. And they wonder why the worlds a mess. And for those who insist the crucifixion of Jesus was a literal event, I offer the following Biblical scripture. Revelation 11:8. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. And also, as people are choosing sides in who to blame for the crucifixion, the Jews or the Romans, keep in mind that according to the story those who killed Jesus were the heroes because they were doing the will of God. Remember when Peter said he would protect Jesus and Jesus said to him,"get behind me Satan. (It means that Peter represented the WORLD, the bible says you are to be in the WORLD, but not of the WORLD. When a person or group of persons tries to stop you from having a Kundalini, they are the enemy, they are satan, do you see) So the killers were the good guys inspired by God, those who sorrowed over Jesus at the movie were Satan. Go figure. Enough said JESUS SAID: But you, do not be called `Rabbi'; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. "Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. "And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. "But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. "And whoever exalts himself will be abased, and he who humbles himself will be . It says call no one on earth your father, except god, why then do we give our reverence and respect to so called holy men of religions and call them FATHER and TEACHERS, when Jesus says NO! He also says call no one Rabbi, except HIM, then the Judaic religion is full of false RABBI's. If you get the meaning of this, it really means that you can't get salvation from religious piety, from churches built with hands, from so called godly and holy men, and eating oven baked jesus crackers, because their WORKS are dead. "Do NOT do after their WORKS" It means do not follow them.The Orgaqnized religions and Tv evangelists. Do not do as they do, do not allow them to cprrupt your mind, do not give them any of your time or energy at all. Because they didn't teach you the wonderful truth you have learned on this page, they didn't teach you to seek within yourself, and raise the serpent goddess kundalini "through the SEVEN seals on your backside (spine) and see god in the land of pineal as Jesus instructs you to do in the book of matthew. It means that the chatacter Jesus is telling us, whoever reads the bible, that these religious men who pray in public, so that people think they are godly, are really ravenous rabid WOLVES and SLIMY VIPERS, " "Don't pray standing in the streets and symagogues, so that people will think your godly" said Jesus, no, NOT in schools, NOT in churches, NOT in temples, NOT any where; where you might be seen of men." Instead go into thy CLOSET (meditation) and seek the father in private (WITHIN) for the Kingdom of God is WITHIN you, so why seek where God is not? Ezek. 8:12-14 Ezek. 8:12-14 Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, The LORD seeth us not; the LORD hath forsaken the earth. My comment: Do you see what Is Ra El does in the DARK, thisis referencing meditation. Chambers of imagery, this means when one is thinking, during meditation. "THE LORD SEEITH YOU NOT" that's because you are thinking. You must still the mind. "be still and know that Im god" "I make darmness (meditation) my secret place" said god. He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do. Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. North in the bible, is always the subconscious mind. SEE Eziekel: He saw throug a hole in the wall, facing north. What he saw was the contents of his own subconsciuos mind. See if you can see it? EZIEKEL NORTH 8:3 And he put forth the form of an hand, and took me by a lock of mine head; and the spirit lifted me up between the earth and the heaven, and brought me in the visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the inner gate that looketh toward the north; where was the seat of the image of jealousy, which provoketh to jealousy. 8:5 Then said he unto me, Son of man, lift up thine eyes now the way toward the north. So I lifted up mine eyes the way toward the north, and behold northward at the gate of the altar this image of jealousy in the entry. The alter is the mind. 8:6 He said furthermore unto me, Son of man, seest thou what they do? even the great abominations that the house of Israel committeth here, that I should go far off from my sanctuary? but turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations. 8:7 And he brought me to the door of the court; and when I looked, behold a hole in the wall. 8:8 Then said he unto me, Son of man, dig now in the wall: and when I had digged in the wall, behold a door. 8:9 And he said unto me, Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here. 8:10 So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about. My comment: Do you see, he saw the creepy things, beasts and idols. These are the thoughts in your subconscious mind. Keep reading. 8:11 And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up. The censer in the spine. Seventy men, is referencing the SEVEN chakras or seals. 8:12 Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, the LORD seeth us not; the LORD hath forsaken the earth. 8:13 He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do. 8:14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD's house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. 8:15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these. This is making reference to meditation, when we begin to think, and the flying things, and the creepy things of the mind, keeps us from the silence of meditation, taking no thought. My comment: Women were weeping for Tammuz, tammuz is the ancient sumerian vegetation god, what's he doing in the bible. Tammuz The Akkadian vegetation-god, counterpart of the Sumerian Damuzi and the symbol of death and rebirth in nature. He is the son of Ea and husband of Ishtar. Each year he dies in the hot summer (in the month tammus, June/July) and his soul is taken by the Gallu demons to the underworld. Woe and desolation fall upon the earth, and Ishtar leads the world in lamentation. She then descends to the nether world, ruled by Ereshkigal, and after many trials succeeds in bringing him back, as a result of which fertility and joy return to the earth. In Syria he was identified with Adonis. This is of course an early rendering of the resurrection myth. The worship of Tammuz is described in the Bible. BIBLICAL TAMMUZ Ezekiel 8:14. Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the Lord's house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. 15. Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these. 16. And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. Lent Contained within that scripture is the origin of Lent which is the women weeping for Tammuz. That period was called count 40 and it went on for forty days as does the present Lent. In addition you will see the origin of the sunrise service which is carried out by many churches today even though the scripture refers to them as abominations. But here is the critical point. Our particular Christian tribe regards these references to Tammuz and Ishtar etc as false gods, pagan Gods. And we do that because we do not understand the nature of their stories and the nature of their personalities. These are not pagan Gods. These are myths. Myths which tell of the inherent power of life, death, and resurrection that exists in all of us. That exists in all of the universe and all of nature. NONE EXISTED AS PEOPLE These people never physically existed in the same way that our Jesus never physically existed. But the truth is they do exist. Not as physical characters in strange stories, but as real live intelligent light beings of nature, and what we call God, and the cosmic mind brain of invisible light. So who is Jesus, who is Ishtar or Estare, who is Tammuz? They never existed in a physical flesh and blood sense, but they exist with all of life and if one is to live life properly it is necessary to grasp what these stories are telling us and following through with the directions they provide. Up to this point we have totally missed because of our chaotic religious tribes born out of the superstitions of the dark ages and instead of truly understanding the reality of the living Jesus within us, we flock to a mad R rated movie and sit with popcorn and diet coke watching holy sadism in living color and slow motion. Chaotic nonsense, that's what Religion is. Jesus is brought out of the grave by the invisible electro power of what we call spirit, Tammuz is brought out of the underworld by the invisible electro power called Ishtar, spirit. Look at the life coming out of the ground in spring. That is Tammuz. That is Jesus. That is Eastre that is Easter. The earth will have its way with death and new life over and over through eternity. Inside of you there is a life that you must go down and come up in the same way that Ishtar must go down to bring up Tammuz and the spirit must go down to bring up Jesus. That which was dead in the ground of the earth is now called forth in the spring of new life. That which is dead in the ground inside of you is called forth to new life, Lazarus who is dead in the ground is called forth to new life. It is all the same. The living must be willing to go down to the depths and bring up the power of new life, of spring, of Easter, of rebirth and the only way that you can take part in that is through your meditation. That's why paul said "I die daily" The cross must again be raised and the life force given in sacrifice and only you can do that. The cross is the human body. Calvary or Golgotha is the skull. Did you know that both words, Calvary and Golgotha, where Jesus was crucified, means skull ? This is where the new life rises from the lower solar plexus and sits at the right side or right hemisphere of the brain. The premise is that Jesus must die so that you may have eternal life . We have twisted this into a literal story of God in the universe refusing to forgive people unless he is presented with a human sacrifice. He must see blood flow and he must have physical death or he cannot forgive. WE MISUNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF SACRIFICE This is a total misunderstanding of the nature of sacrifice. The nature of sacrifice is that one must be willing to give up the guidance that comes from the physical life so that one can then flow in the guidance that comes from the invisible non physical higher life. In other words, the life force inside of you that operates your body must be sacrificed so that a higher life force replaces it. JESUS IS THE LIFE FORCE WITHIN YOU The life force that is inside of you which is actually the electro magnetic life force is called Jesus. It is the force of the Sun. It is the force that operates out of the solar plexus which is the place of the sun. How do I know that Jesus is the inner life force that operates within each of us. John 14:20. At that day you shall know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you. IT'S NOT THE PASSION OF CHRIST IT'S THE PASSION OF JESUS That is why the movie the Passion of Christ is mistitled. It has to be the passion of Jesus. Christ cannot have a passion because Christ is the higher invisible cosmic mind while Jesus represents the physical inner life force. JOSEPH CAMPBELL, MYTHS TO LIVE BY. I quote Joseph Campbell from his book Myths To Live By. What is important about a lightbulb is not the filament or the glass but the light. And what is important about each of us is not the body and its nerves but the consciousness that shines through them. And when one lives for that instead of for protection of the bulb one is in Buddha consciousness. But what do our religions actually teach. Not the way to an experience of identity with the Godhead since that is the prime heresy according to them, but the way and the means to establish and maintain a relationship to a named God. And how is such a relationship to be achieved. Only through membership in a certain supernaturally endowed uniquely favored social group. The Old Testament has a covenant with a certain historic people, the only holy race, the only holy thing in fact on earth and according to Christians they can only get in on that through the incarnation of Christ Jesus who is to be known as true God and true man, which in the Christian view is a miracle whereas in the Orient everyone is to be known as true God and true man. And how do we confirm in life our relationship to that one and only God Man. Through baptism and thereby spiritual membership in his Church which is to say, once again through a social instruction. Our whole knowledge to the universally known guiding symbols of the unfolding mysteries has been by the way of the claims of these two self sanctified historical social groups ( Christianity and Judaism). And the claims of both have today been disqualified, historically, astronomically, biologically and every other way and everybody knows it. No wonder our clergymen look anxious and their congregations confused. Joseph Campbell talks about the crucifixion in a beautiful and truthful way that overwhelms the traditional teachings of sacrifice to appease God. Listen to what he says. The sacrifice of Jesus was not as a payment to the father in atonement for Adams sin. Rather it was an act of willing self immolation in love, intended to invoke in response the return of mankinds love from worldly concerns, to God. In other words Jesus is the life force inside of you ready and willing to be sacrificed so that the lower physical power that now controls you can be replaced by the higher non physical power of cosmic light, cosmic God. Once you are into meditation, and reach the point of virgin mind, you will give birth to the Jesus nature that will drive you to the cross. In other words in your body, in your skull on Calvary and Golgotha ,and the sacrifice of the Jesus life force inside of your will lead to celestial right ascension as the saving cosmic power of God within rises to sit at the right side, at the right hemisphere of the brain and all things then to become new. That is salvation. That is sacrifice. That is resurrection. That is Easter. WHAT ARE JESUS' INSTRUCTIONS FOR SALVATION If you wish Jesus to be your Lord then you must do the things he says to do. He also has a priority attached to the list of his instructions. What is the top priority. And what are Jesus' instructions that must be obeyed? 1.Matthew 6:33. But seek first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. YOUR QUESTION: Where do I look ? 2. Luke 17:21 The Kingdom Of God Is Within You YOUR QUESTION: How do I do this ? 3. Matthew 6: 22. The light of the body is the eye: if therefore your eye be single, your whole body shall be full of light. YOUR QUESTION: I stimulate the single eye, the pineal gland, is there anything else ? 4. Matthew 6:25. Take no thought for your life In other words go into meditation and separate from human thought 5. Mark 13: 37. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch. Watch yourself. Meditation And how did Jesus say, our pastors, and preachers and Biblical teachers have messed us up ? Luke 11:52. Woe unto you, lawyers!( teachers of Biblical law) for you have taken away the key of knowledge: you entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in you hindered. Matthew 23:13. But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees,( religious teachers) hypocrites! for you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for you neither go in yourselves, neither do you allow them that are entering to go in. As you can see, what Jesus taught was Eastern meditation. Finding the Kingdom of Heaven within yourself, practicing the single eye, separating from thought, watching. And he came against those who instructed in religious law (lawyers) and the preachers of the day, scribes and Pharisees, by saying that they kept people away from the Kingdom by not going in themselves and not allowing others to go in. Exactly the same sin that Christian fundamentalists commit today. THE CHALLENGE TO CHRISTIANS Now how many Christians who claim Jesus died for their sins and claim a place in heaven because of that, are prepared to take Jesus up on his word that he is not their Lord unless they do what he says which is to go into Single Eye meditation , and finding the God force within themselves. Just about none. The truth about Easter is a reverence for nature. A harmony with nature both vegetation and animal. Accepting that one will not do harm to any part of creation, vegetation or animal. Obedience to Jesus Christ to seek within oneself, practice the single eye, separate from thought, and watch. Such is the nature of things, and the failure to obey these teachings is why the planet earth seeks the return of the controlling light from above to end the reign of the lower light which has polluted and destroyed life upon this wonder called Gaia. HAPPY EASTER No,There's not really an easter bunny, it's a symbol of fertility, for obvious reasons. Do you see, Do not PRAY in physical tamples made with hands, in churches, on Tv, for they have their reward and it's not of god, but of MEN. We are not to have reverence these FOOLS with their smoking voodoo boxes and fancy challices, funny hats, (Phylacteries) and plaster saints and gods, neither shall you exalt one of these. Matt 23:13 " woe to you scribes and pharisees, for you shutup (lock people out) of gods kingdom, for you neither go IN YOURSELVES, and neither do you teach the people to GO IN. For you cross sea and land to make a single convert, and you make the new convert twice as much a child of hell as yourselves, you blind fools. Pretty strong words from jesus HUH? If you allow them to convert you, you will become TWICE the child of HELL as they are. Jesus said it, not me. 27 " Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which on the outside look beautiful, but inside they are full of the bones of the dead and of all kinds of filth. So you also on the outside look righteous to others, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness. LETS talk about these Scribes and Pharisess, who were they? The scribes collected taxes, and they represent the governments or systems of the world, The pharisees were the high priests of the day, and they represent religion in general. The jerry faldwells, Pat Robertons, Jimmy Swaggerts, Jim Jones's, Jack Van Impe's, Hal Lindsey's, The Crouches, and all Religions and self righteous nincompoops that act as if they know something about god, and that are comprised of churches and temples made with the hammer and trial. They are an abomination unto the one true God Why did Jesus rebuke religion and government, becuase, they do not teach you the TRUTH, neither can they. Not once in all of you religious activities, have you been told to stimulate the Pineal gland in meditation and you will see God face to face, and your life will be preserved, NOT ONCE, NO!!! Not Ever!!! If the Character Jesus had been a real personage, he would be busy burning down all the churches, synagogues and temples the world over. Because the propieters of these institutions spin webs of deceit, pedal lies, take your money and keep you from knowing the great TRUTH you have learned on this page. The truth always, and it's always been this way. but the truth always comes from the humble Village Idiot. Again lets see who have kept your minds dull with their vinegar and gall. 10. Many pastors have destroyed my vineyard, they have trodden my portion under foot, they have made my pleasant portion a desolate wilderness. The pleasant portion is the Garden of Eden. It is the East side the right side. It is desolate because religious people to not direct followers to meditation, to seek the higher mind, to separate from thought. Thus people do not go there , do not meditate and that portion is thus desolate. And the responsibility for that desolation falls on the pastors! KJV Jeremiah 22:22 20. The wind shall eat up all thy pastors, and thy lovers shall go into captivity: surely then shalt thou be ashamed and confounded for all thy wickedness. Here is an excellent prophecy. The wind is a metaphysical symbol of the spirit. In other words the changes that will eventually come will cause people to move away from religious leaders. They will be discredited in the eyes of people. Those who still follow and love them will be held captive by them as they are now. People are held captive to religious rules and doctrines and church laws and surely so many are ashamed and totally showed by the wickedness that has evolved out of church and religion. KJV Jeremiah 23:1 1. Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the Lord. Notice, my pasture. That grazing place of green, the right side. Where angles of light or angels of light enter. When they enter do they find you there or do they report back that the pasture , the garden is desolate, because of them! KJV Jeremiah 23:2 2. Therefore thus saith the Lord God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the Lord. You pastors have scattered my flock. How true. Not only scattered from one another but hating and bombing and killing one another. You have driven them away. Away from what. Away from the Garden of Eden. The right hemisphere of the brain mind that is Gods and according to the pastors, off limits to the flock. I will visit upon you the evil of your doings , and that certainly has begun. Now you might initially think that references to pastors impacts negatively on our theory that all of the Bible references things inside of you. Not so. In this case the word pastor means your beliefs. The things inside of you that have come from the outside. It is your beliefs that have been nurtured by pastors in organized religion that have separated you from God. EVERYTHING, INCLUDING PASTORS, IS INSIDE OF YOU In other words pastors are inside of you because their teachings, their thoughts, their beliefs, their traditions are inside of you. Those beliefs and teachings and traditions have separated you from God. The right hemisphere of the brain is the Garden of Eden. It is Gods pleasant portion within where all people should be going, but very few go there because pastors have warned them about meditation that separates from thought. Why have they warned about meditation that separates us from thought, because separating from thought separates you from them. And they cannot have that, because they will lose thier soap box. But Gods pleasant portion , the Garden of Eden which is the right hemisphere of the brain has become a wasteland because pastors have kept people away. IT'S ALL IN YOUR MIND Using the bible and science we are arriving at very significant documentation that those things described in the Bible and experienced in life as sacred are actually things inside the human brain mind. The Garden of Eden, The tree of life, the Red Sea, the Exodus, the virgin birth, the crucifixion, God, Jesus , everything referred to by the Bible is actually an energy inside of each of us and available to each of us. But first, you must abandon THEM! Then, Then, maybe then you can start to see clearly, you can start to get back to nature (God), you can then laugh at their BEARDS! You have just been shown part of the TRUTH And even if you cant except or believe the material presented here it doesnt alter the facts of its reality!!! you may refuse to believe it because of your cultural conditioning and family tradition or your own EGO, but if you dont get it, then youre not ready for it , and you still need milk instead of meat. You are not yetready to advance past the infant stage of spiritual growth. Perhaps in the next incarnation on grade school. Can you imagine that the WHOLE BIBLE with it's thousands of pages, largely misunderstood by the masses, is an mytholigical account of the KUNDALINI process. Why then didn't they just say, all you have to do is go into meditation, and still the mind (be still and know that I'm God), Why did that have to give us some long drawn out account in a book called the bible? Why did they say moses threw down his rod and it turned into a serpent (giving up your ego (spine) in meditation and allowing the serpent energy to rise).Why did they say aarons rod bloomed almonds ( the spine coming alive as the seven chakras) seals are opened. mark 16:17-18: "And these signs shall follow them that believe: in my name they shall cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues: they shall take up serpents and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick and they s hall recover." Here picking up serpents does NOT refer to those idiots that habdle poisonous snakes, it is talking about the serpent energy resting latent within you, They, meaning us shall pick up our serpents, let the Kundalini rise. You see!! I will answer by saying, that they, the writers of the bible books, wanted this knowledge to stand for eternity, not to be forgotten, and foremost, they figured if they gave the account of the Kundalini in such dramatic proportions, it would prove it's Validity as the means to come to God. And the ancient people were great story tellers, and like all myths, they are long and dramamtic, such was the way they told truths in those days, it makes for a far more interesting read, than to just say, meditate and have a kundalini. The number SEVEN is used over SEVEN hundred imes in the BIBLE, do you think someone is trying to tell you that the number SEVEN just might be significant. Theres Seven continents, Seven seas, the deepest ocean is Seven miles deep, the earthes atmoshere is Seven miles high, and theres Seven layers in the atmosphere. Seven Chakras, Seven Seals, Seven Angels etc.etc. etc. SEVEN your Lucky number. Did you recieve it today" As brother joel always says, down their in Texas. TO SUM EVERYTHING UP SNAKES DON'T TALK The very beginning of the Bible declares quite clearly that this is mythology and in no way to be taken literally. A woman sits down and begins to have a very intelligent conversation with a snake. This is after that woman is created from a spare rib taken from her sleeping husband. From there on you have another story of a talking donkey, a talking bush, a man whose walking stick turns into a snake. You have a man taking two of every kind of animal on to a boat and the clean ones by Seven. You have people walking on water, virgins giving birth, people resurrecting from graves. And what has our culture done with all of this? We have taken it literally and will attack and kill anyone who dares challenge our interpretation. Look around at the insanity that pervades the world and you will see what the scripture meant when it said, be not a minister of the letter , for the letter kills. There is no salvation or regeneration for man, as long as he believes in vicarious atonement. the man who needs saving by that process is not worthy the price. In the full light of wisdom, man/woman shall not search for personal saviors, nor quibble about the meaning of the words of men who died thousands of years ago. Lo! I am come now, only the spiritually blind look for the coming of Truth, or life, the Christ who is ever present, or for the coming of a kingdom which is already at hand. When ye pray for a thing know that ye receive it. He/she will know that they are they are an attribute of Universal energy from which all forms, thoughts, motions, sounds, colors, and so called good and evil proceed. These wonderful statements are fables, parables. allegory and dark sayings, dealing with the chemical, electro, Physiological Anatomical and Astrological operations of the HUMAN BOBY. Great are the symbols of being But that which is symbolized is greater. Vast the create and beheld But vaster the Inward Creator For the LETTER KILLETH, But the SPIRIT GIVETH LIFE says the BIBLE. The spiritual or metaphysical understanding of the texts. SIN IS THE MOON Did you know that the word Sin referred to the Moon Goddess of the ancient Ur of the Chaldees ? The moon was a symbol of the emotions because it reflected whatever was shone on it. Thus sin is actually being controlled by the emotions instead of the mind. So you can see how truly sinful religion really is. BIBLICAL PROOF OF MEDITATION 2 Chronicles 20 17 Ye shall not need to fight in this battle: set yourselves, stand ye still, and see the salvation of the LORD with you, O Judah and Jerusalem: fear not, nor be dismayed; to morrow go out against them: for the LORD will be with you. Psalm 46 10 Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth 2 Chronicles 30 8 Now be ye not stiff necked, as your fathers were, but yield yourselves unto the LORD, and enter into his sanctuary, which he hath sanctified for ever: and serve the LORD your God, that the fierceness of his wrath may turn away from you. Jeremiah 8 14 Why do we sit still? assemble yourselves, and let us enter into the defenced cities, and let us be silent there: for the LORD our God hath put us to silence, and given us water of gall to drink, because we have sinned against the LORD. 2 Kings 11 20 And all the people of the land rejoiced, and the city was in quiet: and they slew Athaliah with the sword beside the king's house. {killing out lower nature} Psalm 107 30 Then are they glad because they be quiet; so he bringeth them unto their desired haven Proverbs 1 33 But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil. Isaiah 30 15 For thus saith the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel; In returning and rest shall ye be saved; in quietness and in confidence shall be your strength: and ye would not. Jeremiah 47 6 O thou sword of the LORD, how long will it be ere thou be quiet? put up thyself into thy scabbard, rest, and be still Acts 19 36 Seeing then that these things cannot be spoken against, ye ought to be quiet, and to do nothing rashly. PROOF of the WATCHERS, who are you and I, when we watch in meditation. And when he awakened during the night, he used the time wisely. "When I remember you upon my bed, I meditate on You in the night watches" (Psalm 63:6). " Meditate within your heart on your bed, and be still " (Psalm 4:4). Meditation is not a boring religious duty. It will enrich and enliven our lives. But, we must put forth the effort to do it! "If you know these things, blessed are you if you do them" (John 13:17). meditation and the bible explores how the Torahs Prophets used meditation as a tool to foster their prescience. The book also serves as an incisive gloss on aspects of the Torah, explicating the esoteric meaning underlying various elements of it. Henceforth walk not as others walk in the vanity of their mind, having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of blindness. (Eph. 4.17-18) Put off the old man that is corrupt according to deceitful lust and be renewed in the spirit of your mind. Put away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour. Be not angry, sin not, let not the sun go down upon your wrath. Let him that stole steal no more. Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but say that which is edifying. (Eph. 4.22-29) Let all bitterness and wrath, and anger and clamour, and evil speaking be put away from you. Be ye kind to one another, tender-hearted and forgiving. Walk in love. Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, but rather the giving of thanks. (Eph. 4. 31-2; 5.2-4) Let no man now deceive you with vain words for you are children of light. (Eph. 5.6,8) You are the Light. Walk in the Light. Meditate on the Light. The head of man has seven orifices, two ears, two eyes, two nostrils and a mouth. The mouth when opened is the Circle and the tongue is the Diameter. The nostrils of the Great Breath are the Sun and the Moon of ha-tha breathing in yoga. The two eyes are single on the physical plane and become one (the ajna chakram or "third eye" in the forehead) when activated by kundalini, the serpent fire at the base of the spine. If thine eye be single thy whole body shall be full of the Light of the Spirit of God. You are the temple of the Holy Ghost. Christ is in you as your hope of glory. Awaken this Christ-consciousness. Why do you sleep? Is not a new day come, The Age of Aquarius, The Age of Cosmic Energies, The Science of Religion. This knowledge is aken to eating garlic. Garlic is hard to swallow but it will expel worms absolutely positively (the stronger the better) nw |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 117166 United States 07/07/2008 02:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not sure how to respond to all of this. So much of it has implied meaning that only the one who wrote it must understand that it makes it difficult to debate. There is so much symbolism too that that it defies an explicitness that engenders broad understanding. And much of it is just off the charts. I accept that Christianity is an astro-theological-mythological construct and not be be taken literally, but you replace it with statements like this: >>>If thine eye be single thy whole body shall be full of the Light of the Spirit of God. You are the temple of the Holy Ghost. Christ is in you as your hope of glory. Awaken this Christ-consciousness.<<< Which is either parallel to, borrowed from, or intersecting the same misgiven symbolic theology of Christianity. And then there are patent misconstructions like the mind being separated into "higher" and "lower". Yes, meditation is one way to assist the human being to evolve at a faster pace - but there are many forms of meditation - and not at all equal. Moreover, human beings evolve through all avenues and channels of being; i.e. psychological, emotional, intellectual, physical, mental, and what might be termed spiritual. We evolve every day as we make choices - feel the effects and then choose again if we desire "better" effects. Evolution is largely an "eyes-open" process - and I speak as one who spent 25 years in the advanced meditative techniques of the TM/Siddhi program. The key overall is to imbue the mind and body with the transcendent. It can happen efficiently and specifically through meditative techniques, or, it happens slowly as a matter of living every day - as the transcendent shows though naturally in different ways. Between incarnations, our final stop before reincarnating is the immersion in the transcendent before we re-emerge back into form and put our somewhat re-awakened being to the test - and over many lifetimes, this immersion into the transcendent between lifetimes has a cumulative effect until we get to the point where the light just goes on and stays on inside. Much of what is offered here is a higher-sounding form of mythology that belies the actual mechanics of consciousness. Shalom |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 456213 United States 07/07/2008 02:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not sure how to respond to all of this. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 117166So much of it has implied meaning that only the one who wrote it must understand that it makes it difficult to debate. There is so much symbolism too that that it defies an explicitness that engenders broad understanding. And much of it is just off the charts. I accept that Christianity is an astro-theological-mythological construct and not be be taken literally, but you replace it with statements like this: >>>If thine eye be single thy whole body shall be full of the Light of the Spirit of God. You are the temple of the Holy Ghost. Christ is in you as your hope of glory. Awaken this Christ-consciousness.<<< Which is either parallel to, borrowed from, or intersecting the same misgiven symbolic theology of Christianity. And then there are patent misconstructions like the mind being separated into "higher" and "lower". Yes, meditation is one way to assist the human being to evolve at a faster pace - but there are many forms of meditation - and not at all equal. Moreover, human beings evolve through all avenues and channels of being; i.e. psychological, emotional, intellectual, physical, mental, and what might be termed spiritual. We evolve every day as we make choices - feel the effects and then choose again if we desire "better" effects. Evolution is largely an "eyes-open" process - and I speak as one who spent 25 years in the advanced meditative techniques of the TM/Siddhi program. The key overall is to imbue the mind and body with the transcendent. It can happen efficiently and specifically through meditative techniques, or, it happens slowly as a matter of living every day - as the transcendent shows though naturally in different ways. Between incarnations, our final stop before reincarnating is the immersion in the transcendent before we re-emerge back into form and put our somewhat re-awakened being to the test - and over many lifetimes, this immersion into the transcendent between lifetimes has a cumulative effect until we get to the point where the light just goes on and stays on inside. Much of what is offered here is a higher-sounding form of mythology that belies the actual mechanics of consciousness. Shalom It is referring to a renewed mind, a higher consciousness. As the solar plexus energy touches the right hemisphere of the brain, after opening the seven seals or chakas in meditation. it is the traditional kundalini, and it is what the entire story of revelations is about. [link to thehiddenlighthouse.blogspot.com] nw |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 456213 United States 07/07/2008 02:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Where is god's true temple, and where does god really dwell? The ARK of the covenant ZION, EDEN, New Jerusalem, city of David, Solomons temple, the cave of Brahma etc are all symbols describing the human BRAIN where god dwells, if you collapse the photon waves. Zion or Sion [sI'un] , section of Jerusalem, defined in the Bible as the City of David. The new Jerusalem, the Ark of the convenant. Originally the name referred to the Jebusite fortress conquered by David, on the southeastern hill of Jerusalem. Zion was later applied to the hill where the Temple stood, and in turn came to denote the Temple area itself. Zion is symbolic of Jerusalem, of the Promised Land, of Israel's hope of returning to Palestine (hence the term (ZIONISM), and of heaven or God's dwelling-place with his people. Galilee, means circuit, city of David, Jeresulim and Golgotha and calvary both of which, which means skull, all mean the BRAIN.This is where the crucifixion takes place, where GOD dwells. "Then Solomon assembled the elders of Israel, and all the heads of the tribes, the chief of the fathers of the children of Israel, unto king Solomon in Jerusalem, that they might bring up the ark of the covenant of the Lord out of the city of David, which [is] Zion. And all the men of Israel assembled themselves unto king Solomon at the feast in the month Ethanim, which [is] the seventh month. And all the elders of Israel came, and the priests took up the ark. And they brought up the ark of the Lord, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and all the holy vessels that [were] in the tabernacle, even those did the priests and the Levites bring up. And king Solomon, and all the congregation of Israel, that were assembled unto him, [were] with him before the ark, sacrificing sheep and oxen, that could not be told nor numbered for multitude 1Kings 8:1:9" Saul, David and Solomon were the first 3 kings of Israel. All 3 of them reigned for 40 years. Its the human brain , in the field of consciousness. This is the Temple of the Lord of hosts. Jerusalem, Zion, city of David, the ARC of the covenant, the Ark of the testimomy, any city in the bible etc. its simply the temple built without any tool. The human brain. Mt. Abarim Mt. Ararat Mt. Bashan Mt. Carmel Mt.Ebal Mt.Gerizim Mt.Gilboa Mt.Gilead Mt. Hermon Mt.Hor Mt.Horeb Mt.Lebanon Mt. Moriah Mt.Nebo Mt Pisgah Mt.Seir Mt. Sinai Mt. TaborMt. Zion All of these represent the highest attainment of consciousness, described as mountains, when one has reached the highest plateau, you have ascended the mountain, always the highest nadir. In Meditation. Mark14:58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands. This is what thinks of themples made WITH HANDS, it says he will destroy them. But how can Jesus raise a new temple in just three days? can you figure out this riddle? Acts 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet. For Solomon's Temple (a permanent, fixed location; a physical representation and foreshadow of the true spiritual temple to follow) thirty thousand men cut and squared timbers out of the mountains, cut huge stones out of quarries, and transported them to the temple mount over the space of over seven years. The assembly was made without sound of tool. (1Ki 5:13-18) SEVEN years it took to build the TEMPLE and all without tools, how can you construct buildings WITHOUT tools? Do you see now ? Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands Mar 13:1-2 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings [are here]. And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. So much for jesus's thoughts on temples made with hands. If temples made with hands by religious authorities are so holy, then why did Jesus say that the Jerusalem Temple will come to naught. This prophesy came to pass in 70 A.D. when the temple was utterly destroyed by the Romans, leaving no stone unturned. Anything that exalts itself above God and rejects Jesus Christ, will ultimately face destruction, not eternal hell fire, but eternal death. I cr 3:15 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? God does not dwell in man-made temples. Act 4:10-12 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, [even] by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. And this stone, which I have set [for] a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee. "here it says salvation is only in the chief corner stone (Jesus) not man made buildings made of wood and stone, there is no salvation in any other," 1 kings:7 And the house, when it was in building, was built of stone made ready before it was brought thither: so that there was neither hammer nor axe nor any tool of iron heard in the house, while it was in building. No they weren't wearing ear pluds either 1 kngs 6:14 So Solomon built the house, and finished it. (what more do you need)? It was built and finished without tools by SOLOMON. 1kngs 6:38 The first of the three buildings was erected by Solomon. It was beautiful, requiring SEVEN years in the construction. "seven years means raising the energy through the SEVEN nerve centers called Chakras" 1 kings 6:8 The door for the middle chamber was in the right side of the house: and they went up with winding stairs into the middle chamber, and out of the middle into the third. "this is the third ventricle of the brain" Acts 7:44-50 a tabernacle for the God of Jacob. But Solomon built Him a House. Howbeit the most High dwells not in temples made with hands; as said the prophet, Heaven is My throne, and earth is My footstool: what house will you build me? says the Lord: or what is the place of My rest? Has not My hand made all these things?" Today God dwells in many temples, but they are not made with hands . Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are? (I Corinthians 3:16,17). "Jesus Christ himself," though the builder, is "the cornerstone. By him all the building, having been joined together, develops into a sacred temple in the Lord" (Ephesians 2:20-21). John 2 18:21 The Jews and said unto him (Jesus), What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things? Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, (he's referring to man made buildings) and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body (Brain). (So what is forty and six, and the THREE.) forty and six equals ten.Ten is the number if the commandments, and the number of sephiroth in the kabala. Three, is the removing of the intellect, the emotional, and the physical. the days don't mean anything, only the numbers do. The Third Temple of God started being built when Jesus Christ arose from the dead. (Mark 14:58 KJV) We heard him say, I will DESTROY THIS TEMPLE that is MADE WITH HANDS, and WITHIN THREE DAYS I WILL BUILD ANOTHER MADE WITHOUT HANDS. When Jesus Christ arose from the dead the cornerstone of the third temple was laid. So Again the scriptures tell us that no tools were heard in its construction. It was built in silence because it represents the temple of the mind at the right side which can only be reached when one is totally free of carnal thought, in MEDITATION. We can see jesus was not too fond of physical churches and temples built by man. Thats because God only occupies the temple between your EARS, he does't hang around in Curches and synagogues built by MAN!! Thousands of people are busy trying to "feel" after Me (JESUS ) with their human hands; and with their limited sense of touch they run into statues, shrines, charms, glorified leaders, organizations, places, things. A modicum of help may come from their belief in any of these, but finally it fails, and finally the hopelessness of any definite "touching" Me in any of these makes them all worthless. You touch Jesus? God in the MIND in Meditation, this is the only PLACE Period!!! Do nothing from the outside. "My Father [where is He?] worketh hitherto, and I work." Recognize first the gift within yourself, perceive the working of this Spiritual Father within, and your hands will do what they have been incapable of doing. You say things you have been wholly incapable of saying. Your little message, your little three drops, your handful of meal, will become the Message of God, the ocean of oil (joy), storehouses full of meal (substance). "Look again"; the fields are white. Do you see? Do you understand what is given to you-not is going to be given to you, but is already given unto you? "Stir up the Gift of God that is within thee." You have it already. Its manner of manifestation is in the hands of the Father. A Uriah Heep rubbing his hands together in apparent holy submission while his heart is flaming fiercely with revenge, resentment, jealousy, is an adequate picture of an unenlightened man. Thus does the pit of hell burn brightly in the "knocker on wood," who cannot, and dare not, speak with authority because he speaks of himself, not the POWER WITHIN, claimed in MEDITATION. For as the great prophet Isaiah said?.'What house will ye build the Lord, for His hands has made all these things.' (Isaiah 66: 1-2) But we are his Temple made without hands, designed in his holy divine image. I'm sure if one lookes hard enough he/she could find many more scriptures concerning God's dwelling place, but these should suffice, to get you to see the truth, that God has not dwelt in a made Synagogy, temple, corner church, marvelous cathedral, or in fact any MANMADE Thing ever. So why then do YOU go to Temples and Churches made with hands? Well thats your business I guess, but God will not be present I guarantee it! It's very clear isn't it? Well isn't it? Ok then read on. Remember, YOU have to build the temple, God does NOT dwell in the brains of REBORN christians, I repeat, God does NOT dwell in the brains of REBORN christians. Why?, because they do not practice the single EYE as jesus instructd in the book of matthew, "If your eye be single, your body will fill with light (GOD) Notice, he said IF, thats a big IF, do you practice the single EYE? If not, God cannot dwell on your brain, plain and simple.The great courtyard was surrounded by a wall of three courses of dressed stone and one course of trimmed cedar beams, as was the inner courtyard of the temple of the LORD with its portico." I Kings 7:12 "The foundation of the temple of the LORD was laid in the fourth year, in the month of Ziv. In the eleventh year in the month of Bul, the eighth month, the temple was finished in all its details according to its specifications. 4, 11 and 8 rolls down to FIVE it means when one has overcme the FIVE physical senses, one can be caught up to the third heaven, the third ventricle of the brain. He had spent seven years building it. " The energy rising through the sevsn chakras. I Kings 6:37-38"And Jesus entered the temple of God (BRAIN) and drove out all who sold and bought in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons. He said to them, "It is written, 'My house shall be called a house of prayer'; but you make it a den of robbers." (Mat.21:112-13). It's your BRAIN Why did he overturn seats of those that bought and sold pigeons? I leave this for you to figure out. nw |
mathetes User ID: 327572 United States 07/07/2008 02:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it is the traditional kundalini, and it is what the entire story of revelations is about. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 456213This is what happens when one follows the error of Augustine and one tries to allegorize Revelation and scripture in general.... utter nonsense. Forget the FACT the 80% of Rev. can be found in in what we call the Old Testament hence the name apokalupsis=Revelation ie disclosure of truth, instruction and never mind that Rev. chapter 6 matches Matthew 24, which clearly shows that this is not to be allegorized For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 456213 United States 07/07/2008 02:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it is the traditional kundalini, and it is what the entire story of revelations is about. Quoting: mathetesThis is what happens when one follows the error of Augustine and one tries to allegorize Revelation and scripture in general.... utter nonsense. Forget the FACT the 80% of Rev. can be found in in what we call the Old Testament hence the name apokalupsis=Revelation ie disclosure of truth, instruction and never mind that Rev. chapter 6 matches Matthew 24, which clearly shows that this is not to be allegorized THE BIBLE AS SYMBOL Our first order of business in this quest is to see if we can justify considering the Bible as symbolic rather then literal. We must use the Bible itself. 1.2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. So here is the Bible itself telling us not to take it literally. God hath made us able ministers of the New Testament, not of the letter, but of the spirit; for the letter (literal interpretation) killeth, but the spirit (allegorical or symbolic interpretation) giveth life. (II Cor. 3.6) We use great plainness of speech. But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost (materialistic). (II Cor. 4.3) If our earthly house of this tabernacle (the physical body) were dissolved we have a building of God (the astral and mental bodies) a house not made with hands (but constructed by the angelic builders) eternal (the causal body) in the heavens (the superphysical planes). (II Cor. 5.1) Awake thou that sleepest and arise from the dead (the physical plane) and Christ shall give thee light. (Eph.5.14) WE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT THAT THE BIBLE IS THE LITERAL WORD OF GOD. But it is all mythology, it’s all symbolic, but you have to understand the meaning of the mythology, in order to grasp what the bible is saying. 2. Galatians 4:24 Which things are an allegory: the definition of a myth includes the term allegory. Here again the Bible tells us it is symbolic. 3. Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: The Bible is saying that all of Jesus statements were symbolic. 4. Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: 5. Psalm 78:2 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old: Here the Bible states that GOD speaks in parables . And what are dark sayings of old. Obviously they are symbolic statements. 6. In the Book of Proverbs describes wisdom. It explains how one becomes wise. Proverbs 1:6 To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings. Dark sayings is mythology 7. And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 2 cor.4:3 8. But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 2 cor. 3:14 9. We should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter." (Romans 7:6) 10. Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! they say of me, Doth he not speak in parables? EZ:20 Here God speaks in parables 11. 1Cr 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory. Here it says god ordained the hidden wisdom, even before the world 12. Eze. 17:2 Son of man, put forth a riddle, and speak a parable unto the house of Israel. God orders riddles 13. Jdg.14:19 And the Spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he went down to Ashkelon, and slew thirty men of them, and took their spoil, and gave change of garments unto them which expounded the riddle. And his anger was kindled, and he went up to his father's house. Here it says god was pleased when they cracked the riddle, and rewarded them. 14. Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of GOD to conceal a thing: but honor of kings is to search out a matter. And here its Gods honor to conceal things, and make you figure it out. 15. 2Cor.4:3,4 "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." 16. Isaiah 9,10 And he said, Go and tell this people, hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes 17. Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints. 18. JOB 27:11 I will teach you by the hand of God: that which is with the Almighty will I not conceal. 19. MAT 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 20. psalm 89 might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world." 21. Proverbs 1:6 To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings. 22. 1 cor 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 23. IS. 48:6 Thou hast heard, see all this; and will not ye declare it? I have shewed thee new things from this time, even hidden things, and thou didst not know them. 24. Eziekel 3:5 For thou art not sent to a people of a strange speech and of an hard language, but to the house of Israel; 25. exodus 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD? 26. exodus 4:12 Now therefore go, and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt say. 27. "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God." (Jesus Christ - The Holy Bible: Matthew 22:29) 28. Hebrews 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. Here God is saying that his word is like milk to you, as a babe must drink milk before it can eat solid food. God is saying his word is for the the one who is ready for meat, in other words, when one is ready for the deeper meaning, this is the meat, for the one full of age (wisdom). Reading Gods word literally is MILK, it is for the unskillful, and they will not understand. Here the fact that this is all consciousness is made clear. It says to know the mystery of the Kingdom of God. Where is the Kingdom of God ? . (Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.) The statement concludes by saying that "unto them that are without". Outside of the meditative state. Outside of the inner realm of consciousness where exists the Kingdom of God.. Here we see that God speaks in mysteries, riddles and parables, He puts riddles in peoples mouths, he shuts their eyes and ears, he sends strange and hard speeches, he sends dark sayings, and that is Gods glory that he conceal a thing, he imparts secret wisdom and make you and I search it. His word is as milk to the unskillful, without age (reason). Theres no doubt that the bible is showing you that, you can't read it at face value, you have to look for the deeper meaning, the secret widom, the dark sayings, the hidden and so forth. The problem with christianity as a whole, including all the pastors and tv evangelist pay no attention to these verses and read and teach the bible literally, which is an abomination unto god. His word is mysterous and wants you to search it out, the truth is not given to the vain, to the once a week jesus mercenary. There's no doubt is there, about what is being said here, the Bible was written in a certain metaphorical, symbolic language of old, which is mythology. ITS ALL A MYTH And Nietzche said all myths are truths Joseph Campbell says all myths are tribal and scientific truths. So the Bible is made up of mythological stories but they have real value to you and I. The Bible is a science book, an astronomy book an anatomy book, and a psychology book. Religion has no idea of the hidden truths in the Bible as they go around reading and teaching the stories in their literal sence, which is DEAD letter for the masses which acts as a control book for the masses. Luke 14:26 Luke 14 Luke 14:25-27 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. Do you hate your Mother and Father? according to Jesus you must. Jn.14:27 "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you." Acts 10:36 "The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ." Mt.10:34 "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." IS. 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more Joel 3:10 Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong Luk 22:38 And they said Lord, behold here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough? Lk.12:51 "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided,three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the sonagainst the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law." Lk.22:36 "He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." So which is it, do we beat swords into plowshares or beat plowshares into swords, or do we sell our clothes and go buy a sword or do we need two swords? 2 Kings 8:12 "You will set fire to their fortified places, kill their young men with the sword, dash their little children to the ground, and rip open their pregnant women." This is God's commandment mind you. Rip open pregnant womwn, wow! What A god! My god! can you believe that? Holy mackeral! "Mothers ye shall dash your babies against rocks, and eat the first born of your daughters" "and fathers ye shall eat the first born of your sons" Wow ! eat your children and bash them against rocks ! Really ! What a cruel God! Hosea 13:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. Gods commandment mind you! Deuteronomy 28:53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, therewith thine enemies shall distress thee. here god commands children to be eaten. Isaiah 13:16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished. Gods commandment again! Psalm 137:8.9 O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. God said We should be happy to dash the little one against stones. The Lord sends bears to kill 42 children for making fun of someone: 2 Kings 2:23-24 Elisha went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty-two children of them. Children put to the sword: 1 Kings 3:24.25 And the king said, Bring me a sword. And they brought a sword before the king. And the king said, Divide the living child in two, and give half to the one, and half to the other. Isaiah 13:15-18 If God can find you, he will "thrust you through," smash your children "to pieces" before your eyes, and rape your wife. Here God will rape your wife after killing your childrn. Duet: The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish. Jer 19:9 And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend in the siege and straitness, wherewith EZ:20 Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! they say of me, Doth he not speak in parables?1 Cor. 3:2 ''Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom. We impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God. Oh ! these are parables and hidden wisdom, Mythology, now I get it. Why then hasnt religion told me this, why hasnt your average soap box tv evangelist or corner church, black collar wearing minister told us this? Because they havnt a clue, they've scarcely even read the bible, so how could they possibly know, much less teach you anything? Consciously or unconsciously, a figure-of-speech begins as a communication device for getting someone's attention: to intrude into their mind and relay a message; and then goes on to become an accepted and habitual part of the vernacular. This is how God gets your attention, by speaking to you in figures of speech. Now, I have an axe to grind with you, should I get my grinder? THE BIBLE ITSELF INSTRUCTS US The Bible is very clear that its words are symbolic and not to be taken literally. Galatians 4:22 says that the Old Testament story of Abraham and Sarah is allegory. It means something else. Romans 2:28 says a Jew is not one outwardly but inwardly. 2 Corinthians 3:6 specifically warns us about taking these words literally, be not a minister of the letter. 2 Corinthians 3:15 says that when people read the Old Testament a veil is over their heart, meaning they do not understand what they see, it is hidden. Matthew 13:34 says Jesus never spoke but in a parable. Everything was symbolic. But what have we done. We have fought and killed each other over temples which do not exist, and stories we do not understand. MYTHOLOGY |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 464037 United States 07/07/2008 03:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are first century historians who recorded the crucifixion. It is a historic fact. [link to www.forerunner.com] |
mathetes User ID: 327572 United States 07/07/2008 03:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it is the traditional kundalini, and it is what the entire story of revelations is about. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 456213This is what happens when one follows the error of Augustine and one tries to allegorize Revelation and scripture in general.... utter nonsense. Forget the FACT the 80% of Rev. can be found in in what we call the Old Testament hence the name apokalupsis=Revelation ie disclosure of truth, instruction and never mind that Rev. chapter 6 matches Matthew 24, which clearly shows that this is not to be allegorized THE BIBLE AS SYMBOL Our first order of business in this quest is to see if we can justify considering the Bible as symbolic rather then literal. We must use the Bible itself. "Sigh" I guess your not interested in an honest debate if your going to respond with long cut pastes from a web site And as far as parables Jesus did explain their exact meanings to his disciples which are recorded for all to see, if one were to actually read the NT "Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field." Matthew 13:36 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 456213 United States 07/07/2008 03:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP posted masonic tripe :ldol1: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 464037There are first century historians who recorded the crucifixion. It is a historic fact. [link to www.forerunner.com] No it is not!! it's all a myth. no Literal Jesus ever existed, I just showed you the truth, but you refuse to swallow it, because you are too brainwashed to see. nw |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 117166 United States 07/07/2008 04:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I accept that Jesus didn't exist, but all these bible references to support your argument just destroy it - as if there is grand design and deeper meaning or significance across the bible intended by its authors. Any text can probably be used to derive and apply symbolism to support any argument, but this whole discussion places waaaaaaay too much credibility in the bible as some kind of master-coded text - when it isn't AT ALL. And then you throw in stuff like this: >>>Remember, YOU have to build the temple, God does NOT dwell in the brains of REBORN christians, I repeat, God does NOT dwell in the brains of REBORN christians. Why?, because they do not practice the single EYE as jesus instructd in the book of matthew, "If your eye be single, your body will fill with light (GOD)<<< Which is part and parcel another totally misgiven theological construct. Source creator is both immanent and transcendent. "It" does not chose or select one location over another. It is in all things. There is no qualitative separation in this universe. This whole post seems to be a misguided effort to lend some higher symbolic credibility to Christianity - which is nuts - as Christianity is the poster child for delusion and universal misconstruction - extolling the illusion of separation from and between people and things, and moreover, between life and source-creator - which your paradigm also buys into in a lofty but falsely esoteric manner. Sorry buddy. I'm calling bullshit. Shalom |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 299246 United Kingdom 07/07/2008 09:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | IN ADDITION, JESUS CAN EASILY BE SHOWN TO BE A BOGUS FAIRY STORY IN OTHER, MORE CONCISE WAY. YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO BORE THE SHIT OUT OF ALL OF US. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 405597 United States 07/07/2008 10:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "The crucifixion of Christ took place at Golgotha, which means the "place of the skull". That means inside your head. Christ was crucified with two thieves. These three crosses form the 12 zodiacal quadruplicities of cardinal, fixed and mutable signs. You will find the fixed signs of the zodiac listed in detail in Revelation in the Bible." Yes he existed and was crucified. Even the OP admits it after all that research into rhetoric, I mean historical information. |
repenting backslider User ID: 464314 United States 07/07/2008 10:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I personally don't believe there is any higher wisdom than Christ, and Him crucified I believe the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy I believe He is the alpha and omega, He came in the flesh, and was literally crucified as atonement for my myriad sins. He then physically resurrected to grant me eternal life, which comes by grace through faith when I believe. There is nothing I can do to try and somehow earn this. it is a mystery, but it is plainly explained in our received text, the Bible. there may indeed be higher, deeper meanings and symbologies involved, but it isn't necessary for me to grasp these to live forever with Jesus. the Gospel message is so simple a little child can easily grasp it. deception is rampant in these last days, I must remain on guard against great swelling words if flattery carried by clouds without water I have the Holy Spirit within me to help and comfort - He also provides wisdom and discernment as necessary this is a different Gospel, and any spirit which denies Christ came in the flesh is not of God as a Christian, I love you, and hope with all my heart you'll come to knowledge of the truth, and be set free but the Bible strictly warns against preaching and teaching a different Gospel, and calls for those who do so to be accursed. I choose to believe this is done out of ignorance of scripture rather than maliciousness. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 281010 Mexico 07/07/2008 11:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "IF YOU DO NOT SEE THIS TRUTH, THEN YOU HAVE A DISEASED AND UNBALANCED MIND!!!" Quoting: RealizeFirstI see. No hope for the mentally challenged then? Too bad. "NO LIGHT FOR YOU!!!" It is their choice after all,I choose the light myself,the true light that comes when you do what the op has written.Thank you op for posting this! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 435488 United States 07/07/2008 02:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Funny how so many people believe in a literal Jesus, when there is NO fucking evidence to prove it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 464363And people wonder why Americans are so stupid? Reason and logic is seriously lacking in this country. Perhaps you should lift the veil from your own eyes and study some history. Start with Josephus. Then move on to the Roman authors of the day. You mean, "Reason and logic ARE seriously lacking in this country." I agree, and add sentence structure to that list also, please. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 461646 United States 07/07/2008 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I could be wrong here, but isnt yoga the technique of inviting the serpent to arise up the spine? [link to www.kundaliniyoga.org] (Although, this isn't going to matter to those who are convinced the Serpent is the Good Guy, selflessly rescuing us from the inconceivably monstrous shelter of the Father.) I'm beginning to suspect that the nature of the bible enables an infinite number of errant interpretations, in addition to mankind's Enemy's ancient sowing of countless corrupt parallels to its truth, a la the Missionaria Protectiva. [link to dune.wikia.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 464460 United States 07/07/2008 03:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I personally don't believe there is any higher wisdom than Christ, and Him crucified Quoting: repenting backslider 464314I believe the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy I believe He is the alpha and omega, He came in the flesh, and was literally crucified as atonement for my myriad sins. He then physically resurrected to grant me eternal life, which comes by grace through faith when I believe. There is nothing I can do to try and somehow earn this. it is a mystery, but it is plainly explained in our received text, the Bible. there may indeed be higher, deeper meanings and symbologies involved, but it isn't necessary for me to grasp these to live forever with Jesus. the Gospel message is so simple a little child can easily grasp it. deception is rampant in these last days, I must remain on guard against great swelling words if flattery carried by clouds without water I have the Holy Spirit within me to help and comfort - He also provides wisdom and discernment as necessary this is a different Gospel, and any spirit which denies Christ came in the flesh is not of God as a Christian, I love you, and hope with all my heart you'll come to knowledge of the truth, and be set free but the Bible strictly warns against preaching and teaching a different Gospel, and calls for those who do so to be accursed. I choose to believe this is done out of ignorance of scripture rather than maliciousness. And what would you say to a Buddhist or a Jew or a Muslim? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 464468 Canada 07/07/2008 03:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Funny how so many people believe in a literal Jesus, when there is NO fucking evidence to prove it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 435488And people wonder why Americans are so stupid? Reason and logic is seriously lacking in this country. Perhaps you should lift the veil from your own eyes and study some history. Start with Josephus. Then move on to the Roman authors of the day. You mean, "Reason and logic ARE seriously lacking in this country." I agree, and add sentence structure to that list also, please. Josephus? You mean [link to en.wikipedia.org] ? Seems like it's generally considered a hoax. Also, IF (and I repeat IF) Jesus existed, realize that all the prophecies that spoke of him were Pagan in origin, not Jewish, so, whatever "Truth" there is to the Judeo/Christian religions, it's heavily influenced by Pagan traditions. It might be an idea to pick up The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold - by Acharya S [link to www.amazon.com] |
repenting backslider User ID: 464478 United States 07/07/2008 04:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I stick real close to the simplicity of John 3:16 didn't mean to be harsh but the Bible's teaching is pretty clear on Jesus coming in the flesh, and the simplicity of the Gospel I would gently explain my faith to those of other belief systems if opportunity arose |
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