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| emerald_glow
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7/9/2008 3:42 AM | | Re: The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today | Quote |
I have seen no war on Christianity in my school system what so ever. The only war out there with Christians is a war with Right wing christian radicals who believe they are going to change it to their liking. They have found out that the silent majority will rise and squelch their minority position on what should be. Church is for christian teaching and school is for reading, writing,and arithmetic. Quoting: Dirtfarmer
Totally agreed, Dirtfarmer...this thread is dense with idiots, I am leaving to find some meaningful, intelligent conversation.
Just a last question before I go: Is that a panty on your head?
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 465207
7/9/2008 3:55 AM | | Re: The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today | Quote |
Not true at all. This(USA) is a Christian nation(founded by Puritans), not Muslim or Satanist, or Catholic.
No, the USA was founded primarily by Freemasons, which is an occultic order, hardly christian...
the teaching that America was a "christian" founded country is an outright lie propagated by christian pushers.
this is not a christian nation, it is a nation plain and simple, and it is even written in the Constitution of this once great nation that no religion is to be favoured... not christianity, nor wicca, nor buddhism, nor baha'i, nor satanism, nor islam, nor catholicism, nor any other.
stop spreading that lie, for THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS Quoting: Aresh
The constitution and the American Revolution(and all the other wars) were perpetrated by the pope's Catholics and his secret societies, but we were a country 100 years befor then. Neither the constitution nor the government make a country but the people who were christians who fled the church here.
The masons did not build Philadelphia. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 332646
7/9/2008 4:07 AM | | Re: The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today | Quote |
OP you need to lay off the Jonah Goldberg theme the man is a wrong headed wingnut! You can try to blame liberals all you want but yer still full of it and appear to be to partial to beleiving lies. |
| Lotus Feet 
The Paraclete, defender of human rights
User ID: 433953
7/9/2008 5:53 AM
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The Nazis hated Christianity and tried to completely eliminate it from schools and public life. Check out what this Nazi tract from 1941 entitled "Gott und Volk" had to say about children:
“With parties and gifts the youth will be led painlessly from one faith to the other and will grow up without ever having heard of the Sermon on the Mount or the Golden Rule, to say nothing of the Ten Commandments… The education of the youth is to be confined primarily by the teacher, the officer, and the leaders of the party. The priests will die out. They have estranged the youth from the Volk. Into their places will step the leaders. Not deputies of God. But anyway the best Germans. And how shall we train our children? Thus, as though they had never heard of Christianity!”
And there are many more historical quotes and facts which prove this point about the Nazis:
[ link to theendtimesblog.blogspot.com]
The reality is that the socialists of the radical left of today that are trying to eliminate Christianity from our public schools are very similar to the national socialists (Nazis) of the 40s.
Facists, anti-semitists and communists are an unholy alliance. One should not forget that the Church is the one that started the lies about the Jewish people. People have committed horrendous atrocities down the ages to protect their precious rigid and orthodox belief systems.
However, religion is a private matter and not a public one.
Jesus said “When you pray, go into your room (alone) close the door, and pray to your father, who is unseen. Then your father who sees what is done in secret will reward you. Matt: 6:7
Lotus
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God's will is compelled by love into compassionate action to save. Blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see God.
In my integrity you uphold me and set me in your presence forever. Psa 41:12 |
| Lotus Feet
The Paraclete, defender of human rights
User ID: 433953
7/9/2008 5:58 AM
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what bugs the hell out of me is a news story i saw about a school in va i think. it went that unless a student learns about islam he will not graduate.. they come here to get away from radical islam now there forcing it on schook kids just as you posted in this thred.. like WTF Quoting: kb 465000
The situation with Arab states buying into US universities certainly requires a thorough investigation. Last I heard Christian groups were being kicked out of some of them.
Lotus
People are not a commodity, without love they become so. Parents are the guardians of the soul, a precious gem born to shine. It is the guardian’s responsibility to ensure that gem is not reshaped, but allowed to BE its natural state. Children are the supreme joy of human life’ Sacred Words
God's will is compelled by love into compassionate action to save. Blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see God.
In my integrity you uphold me and set me in your presence forever. Psa 41:12 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 465232
7/9/2008 6:08 AM | | Re: The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today | Quote |
I am so disgusted seeing idiots equate commie leftists with 'nazis' instead of socialists, whome the nazis were fighting.
As for Hitler and the Church, communism was against Christ, and Hitler was against communism. Is this hard for you retards to understand???! Quoting: Anonymous Coward
Hitler was a national socialist, communism is international socialism - there is precious little difference, the modern left likes to make a big boogeyman of Hitler and pretend that he was right wing, and never mention Stalin, who was probably the more evil of the two. |
| Aresh (nli)
User ID: 461896
7/9/2008 11:30 AM | | Re: The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today | Quote |
The constitution and the American Revolution(and all the other wars) were perpetrated by the pope's Catholics and his secret societies, but we were a country 100 years befor then. Neither the constitution nor the government make a country but the people who were christians who fled the church here.
The masons did not build Philadelphia. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 465207
until the Declaration of Independence, there was no sovereign America (well, except for the Natives of this land that were slaughtered by the "christians" that came along and claimed the land)... the DOC was written and signed by a group of people which were primarily Masons.
that, and it was not only christians who fled here. there were many pagans, including witches, hellenists, hedonists, etc, that came here as well; both on their own transports, and by "infiltrating" and hiding amongst the groups of puritans, etc that migrated to america...
Philadelphia and several of the other colonies were established by both christians and pagans (who were hiding under the guise of christianity... because that's what they had to do, seeing as they caught flack not only from the Church of England, but from "christians" in general. <something about the smell of barbecued witches comes to mind>) |
| emerald_glow
User ID: 379016
7/9/2008 4:20 PM | | Re: The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today | Quote |
The constitution and the American Revolution(and all the other wars) were perpetrated by the pope's Catholics and his secret societies, but we were a country 100 years befor then. Neither the constitution nor the government make a country but the people who were christians who fled the church here.
The masons did not build Philadelphia.
until the Declaration of Independence, there was no sovereign America (well, except for the Natives of this land that were slaughtered by the "christians" that came along and claimed the land)... the DOC was written and signed by a group of people which were primarily Masons.
that, and it was not only christians who fled here. there were many pagans, including witches, hellenists, hedonists, etc, that came here as well; both on their own transports, and by "infiltrating" and hiding amongst the groups of puritans, etc that migrated to america...
Philadelphia and several of the other colonies were established by both christians and pagans (who were hiding under the guise of christianity... because that's what they had to do, seeing as they caught flack not only from the Church of England, but from "christians" in general. <something about the smell of barbecued witches comes to mind>) Quoting: Aresh (nli) 461896
I agree with you Aresh. Google transcendentalists, perfectionists, utopians...just a few of the early non-Christian movements.
"Before the Civil War intervened, Transcendentalism has almost reached the proportions of a grass-roots movement. Although it was overwhelmed by the materialism of the late 19-th century, in various forms in entered the mainstream world phylosophy to inspire giants like Whitman and Melville." (Marilyn Ferguson: The Aquarian Conspiracy 1980)
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| 207
User ID: 463391
7/9/2008 5:07 PM | | Re: The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today | Quote |
The constitution and the American Revolution(and all the other wars) were perpetrated by the pope's Catholics and his secret societies, but we were a country 100 years befor then. Neither the constitution nor the government make a country but the people who were christians who fled the church here.
The masons did not build Philadelphia.
until the Declaration of Independence, there was no sovereign America (well, except for the Natives of this land that were slaughtered by the "christians" that came along and claimed the land)... the DOC was written and signed by a group of people which were primarily Masons.
that, and it was not only christians who fled here. there were many pagans, including witches, hellenists, hedonists, etc, that came here as well; both on their own transports, and by "infiltrating" and hiding amongst the groups of puritans, etc that migrated to america...
Philadelphia and several of the other colonies were established by both christians and pagans (who were hiding under the guise of christianity... because that's what they had to do, seeing as they caught flack not only from the Church of England, but from "christians" in general. <something about the smell of barbecued witches comes to mind>) Quoting: Aresh (nli) 461896
The time was very Christian, you were either Christian of protestant or some form of Catholic. Most all the pagans/spiritist were and are Catholics. Spiritism started in the new world when the Catholics came over (Maryland). Watch "Mageddo II - the New Age". It is the Catholics who pray to the dead. The sunworshipping paganism is just at the higher levels of the Vatican and her secret societies,obvious when looking at the Vatican and all of its symbolism.
You are confused by textbook history which says the christians burned witches during the inquisition, which is untrue. The Catholics burned those who read and possessed the Christian Bible. We are not in textbook history clas and can correct it.
As the Catholic heirarchy tortured those it wished to submit to their authority they would do it in the name of Christ or Mary so as to confuse. Who were they suppose to do it in the name of, Satan? The Pope? So, they invent a twisted form of occultic christianity (well known alexandrian christianity). Christian only in name.
Before the masons came over the Christians(puritans/quakers) got along fine with the indian natives. Read about the founding of Pensylvania. William Penn had a treaty with the natives and got along fine with them. The problem then started when the King decreed large swaths of land he didn't own to Carrol and others. Also, the Spanish killed most of the Indians as slaves, for the Pope(not Christian,but Roman Caesar).
[link to www.reformation.org]
That's why paganism Satanism ect should be outlawed along with Catholicism and Islam, in this country, because they have a history of death and breaking the law.
Satanist should be given no rights with a history of law breaking and sacrifice. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 463391
7/9/2008 5:13 PM | | Re: The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today | Quote |
I agree with you Aresh. Google transcendentalists, perfectionists, utopians...just a few of the early non-Christian movements.
"Before the Civil War intervened, Transcendentalism has almost reached the proportions of a grass-roots movement. Although it was overwhelmed by the materialism of the late 19-th century, in various forms in entered the mainstream world phylosophy to inspire giants like Whitman and Melville." (Marilyn Ferguson: The Aquarian Conspiracy 1980)
yes yes, watch the film Megiddo II The New Age, and it is very evident the Catholics brought that spiritism over. Catholicism was banned in the new world british colonies prerevolution. They didn't come over until later(Maryland), being banned and all. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 461896
7/9/2008 9:13 PM | | Re: The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today | Quote |
That's why paganism Satanism ect should be outlawed along with Catholicism and Islam, in this country, because they have a history of death and breaking the law.
Satanist should be given no rights with a history of law breaking and sacrifice. Quoting: 207 463391
i shall have to watch this meggido video, it sounds quite interesting.
as for the outlaw of any religion other than Christianity, i cannot disagree more.
freedom of religion is not just a choice given to us by the constitution, but by the true "God" them self
Oh, and by the way, i just wanted to clarify that when i mentioned the "christians" slaughtering the Natives and being the perpetrators of the Witch trials, i specifically put quotations around the word for good reason. Anyone who thinks that killing anyone out of any reason other than self defense is just, is not a christian, and are next to soulless. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 415581
7/20/2008 6:57 PM | | Re: The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today | Quote |
Some people need to realize that Nazism and Russian Communism were very, very similar, and that both are very similar ideologically to the Radical Left of today. |
| Ignatius J. Reilly
User ID: 374624
7/20/2008 7:53 PM | | Re: The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today | Quote |
Christianity declared war on humanity a long long time ago, and look where we are now.
Nazi's were nostradamus freaks anyway. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 329387
7/20/2008 8:18 PM | | Re: The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today | Quote |
No one disputes the faith of our Founding Fathers. To speak of unalienable Rights being endowed by a Creator certainly shows a sensitivity to our spiritual selves. What is surprising is when fundamentalist Christians think the Founding Fathers' faith had anything to do with the Bible. Without exception, the faith of our Founding Fathers was deist, not theist. It was best expressed earlier in the Declaration of Independence, when they spoke of "the Laws of Nature" and of "Nature's God."
In a sermon of October 1831, Episcopalian minister Bird Wilson said,
Among all of our Presidents, from Washington downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least not of more than Unitarianism.
The Bible? Here is what our Founding Fathers wrote about Bible-based Christianity:
Thomas Jefferson:
I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth.
SIX HISTORIC AMERICANS,
by John E. Remsburg, letter to William Short
Jefferson again:
Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. ...Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus.
More Jefferson:
The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.
Jefferson's word for the Bible?
Dunghill.
John Adams:
Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?
Also Adams:
The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity.
Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 states:
The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.
Here's Thomas Paine:
I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible).
Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to 'God' to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator's name by (attaching) it to this filthy book (the Bible).
It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible.
Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins...and you will have sins in abundance.
The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretended imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty.
Finally let's hear from James Madison:
What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy.
Madison objected to state-supported chaplains in Congress and to the exemption of churches from taxation. He wrote:
Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.
These founding fathers were a reflection of the American population. Having escaped from the state-established religions of Europe, only 7% of the people in the 13 colonies belonged to a church when the Declaration of Independence was signed.
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The First Amendment states:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…"
Article VI, Section 3 of the constitution also states:
"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States, and of the several States, shall be bound by oath or affirmation to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
By now virtually everyone knows the argument that making the United States a Christian republic would violate the First Amendment rights of Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists, atheists, agnostics, etc. But fewer people realize that it would also violate the First Amendment rights of Christians as well. Which of the 2,500 Christian denominations would we choose as the Christian orthodoxy upon which to base the republic? Seventh-day Adventists and Catholics are complete opposites to each other, and, in fact, are sworn enemies. Thus, a Christian Republic would certainly involve a small minority forcing its views on the majority.
Be that as it may, did the Founders actually intend for Christianity to play a greater role in our society than it has? Prior to the constitution, 11 of 13 states had religious qualifications for public office. These were limited to Christians only, and sometimes even Protestants only. However, the Constitutional Convention voted down such qualifications, creating the separation of church and state that we find in the First Amendment today. If this is not proof of the Founders intentions, then what is?
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Is America a Christian Nation?
The U.S. Constitution is a secular document. It begins, "We the people," and contains no mention of "God" or "Christianity." Its only references to religion are exclusionary, such as, "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to an y office or public trust" (Art. VI), and "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" (First Amendment). The presidential oath of office, the only oath detailed in the Constitution, does not contain the phrase "so help me God" nor any requirement to swear on a bible (Art. II, Sec. 7).
If we are a Christian nation, why doesn't our Constitution say so? In 1797 America made a treaty with Tripoli, declaring that "the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." This reassurance to Islam was written under Washington's presidency, and approved by the Senate under John Adams.
The First Amendment To The U.S. Constitution:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ."
What about the Declaration of Independence?
We are not governed by the Declaration. Its purpose was to "dissolve the political bonds," not to set up a religious nation. Its authority was based on the idea that "governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed," which is contrary to the biblical concept of rule by divine authority. It deals with laws, taxation, representation, war, immigration, and so on, never discussing religion at all.
The references to "Nature's God," "Creator," and "Divine Providence" in the Declaration do not endorse Christianity. Thomas Jefferson, its author, was a Deist, opposed to orthodox Christianity and the supernatural.
What about the Pilgrims and Puritans?
The first colony of English-speaking Europeans was Jamestown, settled in 1609 for trade, not religious freedom. Fewer than half of the 102 Mayflower passengers in 1620 were "Pilgrims" seeking religious freedom. The secular United States of America was formed more than a century and a half later. If tradition requires us to return to the views of a few early settlers, why not adopt the polytheistic and natural beliefs of the Native Americans, the true founders of the continent at least 12,000 years earlier?
Most of the religious colonial governments excluded and persecuted those of the "wrong" faith. The framers of our Constitution in 1787 wanted no part of religious intolerance and bloodshed, wisely establishing the first government in history to separate church and state.
Do the words "separation of church and state" appear in the Constitution?
The phrase, "a wall of separation between church and state," was coined by President Thomas Jefferson in a carefully crafted letter to the Danbury Baptists in 1802, when they had asked him to explain the First Amendment. The Supreme Court, and lower courts, have used Jefferson's phrase repeatedly in major decisions upholding neutrality in matters of religion. The exact words "separation of church and state" do not appear in the Constitution; neither do "separation of powers," "interstate commerce," "right to privacy," and other phrases describing well-established constitutional principles.
What does "separation of church and state" mean?
Thomas Jefferson, explaining the phrase to the Danbury Baptists, said, "the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions." Personal religious views are just that: personal. Our government has no right to promulgate religion or to interfere with private beliefs.
The Supreme Court has forged a three-part "Lemon test" (Lemon v. Kurtzman, 1971) to determine if a law is permissible under the First- Amendment religion clauses.
1. A law must have a secular purpose.
2. It must have a primary effect which neither advances nor inhibits religion.
3. It must avoid excessive entanglement of church and state.
The separation of church and state is a wonderful American principle supported not only by minorities, such as Jews, Moslems, and unbelievers, but applauded by most Protestant churches that recognize that it has allowed religion to flourish in this nation. It keeps the majority from pressuring the minority.
What about majority rule?
America is one nation under a Constitution. Although the Constitution sets up a representative democracy, it specifically was amended with the Bill of Rights in 1791 to uphold individual and minority rights. On constitutional matters we do not have m ajority rule. For example, when the majority in certain localities voted to segregate blacks, this was declared illegal. The majority has no right to tyrannize the minority on matters such as race, gender, or religion.
Not only is it unAmerican for the government to promote religion, it is rude. Whenever a public official uses the office to advance religion, someone is offended. The wisest policy is one of neutrality.
Isn't removing religion from public places hostile to religion? No one is deprived of worship in America. Tax-exempt churches and temples abound. The state has no say about private religious beliefs and practices, unless they endanger health or life. Our government represents all of the people, supported by dollars from a plurality of religious and non-religious taxpayers.
Some countries, such as the former U.S.S.R., had expressed hostility to religion. Others, such as Iran ("one nation under God"), have welded church and state. America wisely has taken the middle course--neither for nor against religion. Neutrality offends no one, and protects everyone.
The First Amendment deals with "Congress." Can't states make their own religious policies?
Under the "due process" clause of the 14th Amendment (ratified in 1868), the entire Bill of Rights applies to the states. No governor, mayor, sheriff, public school employee, or other public official may violate the human rights embodied in the Const itution. The government at all levels must respect the separation of church and state. Most state constitutions, in fact, contain language that is even stricter than the First Amendment, prohibiting the state from setting up a ministry, using tax dollars to promote religion, or interfering with freedom of conscience.
What about "One nation under God" and "In God We Trust?"
The words, "under God," did not appear in the Pledge of Allegiance until 1954, when Congress, under McCarthyism, inserted them. Likewise, "In God We Trust" was absent from paper currency before 1956. It appeared on some coins earlier, as did other sundry phrases, such as "Mind Your Business." The original U.S. motto, chosen by John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson, is E Pluribus Unum ("Of Many, One"), celebrating plurality, not theocracy.
Isn't American law based on the Ten Commandments?
Not at all! The first four Commandments are religious edicts having nothing to do with law or ethical behavior. Only three (homicide, theft, and perjury) are relevant to current American law, and have existed in cultures long before Moses. If America has honored the commandment against "coveting," free enterprise would collapse!
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 471127
7/20/2008 9:03 PM | | Re: The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today | Quote |
Actually , the nazi party was in bed with the catholic church. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 464717
You mean the Lutheran church.
Martin Luther was Hitler's hero.
In Mein Kampf, Hitler refers to Martin Luther as a great warrior, a true statesmen, and a great reformer, alongside Wagner and Frederick the Great.
Wilhelm Röpke, writing after the Holocaust, concluded that "without any question, Lutheranism influenced the political, spiritual and social history of Germany in a way that, after careful consideration of everything, can be described only as fateful." |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 471127
7/20/2008 9:08 PM | | Re: The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today | Quote |
Actually , the nazi party was in bed with the catholic church. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 464717
Both Luther and Hitler were extreme anti-Semites. Luther had written a book called "The Jews and Their Lies" which advocated violence against Jews.
Hitler was so impressed that he scheduled Kristallnatch, The Night of Broken Glass, on Luther's birthday in his honor. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 471627
7/22/2008 12:18 AM | | Re: The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today | Quote |
Public schools are taxpayer supported.
Forcing any taxpayer to support teaching some one else's religious beliefs is contrary to the First amendment.
Using public funds and authority to force the teachings of any sect on people not of that sect is an "establishment of religion" contrary to the First amendment.
There is NO Freedom OF religion without Freedom FROM the other guy's religion.
Which warring sect of "Christianity" would be taught in public schools?
Even among xtians.
Teach which "ten commandments"?
Exodus 20
Exodus 34
Deuteronomy 5
Would ALL of Jesus teachings be taught?
Most sects reject many of Jesus words, such as:
Jesus' opposition to public prayer:
~>"Matthew 6 (King James Version)
5 "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward."
6 "But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly "<
Jesus opposition to accumulation of wealth:
>Mark 10:21
"Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me."<
It was Jesus who invented the concept of a "separation between Church and State"
(when people tried, in vain, to get Jesus to commend dodging taxes, he answered instead about separation of Church and State)
~>Luke 20 (King James Version)
25 "And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's."<
Even many atheists would condone teaching these scriptures in public schools.
They are what Jesus actually taught.
Bigotry, hypocrisy vanity are not a teaching of Jesus the Christ, but are taught by example in almost every sect that calls itself "Christian" today.
Liberals support the First Amendment.
~>"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."<~
Preach as you want.
Teach your children YOUR religion.
But any attempt to establish your sect's beliefs in the minds of other peoples' children, using government resources, such as tax monies paid to schools, is in violation of the First Amendment.
Liberals support the ENTIRE US Constitution.
They do not pick and choose like conservatives. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 471627
7/22/2008 12:24 AM | | Re: The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today | Quote |
1st "ten commandments:
King James Version (KJV)
Exodus 20
1And God spake all these words, saying,
2I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13Thou shalt not kill.
14Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15Thou shalt not steal.
16Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 471627
7/22/2008 12:30 AM | | Re: The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today | Quote |
2nd "ten commandments:
King James Version (KJV)
Exodus 34
1And the LORD said unto Moses,
Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.
2And be ready in the morning, and come up in the morning unto mount Sinai, and present thyself there to me in the top of the mount.
3And no man shall come up with thee, neither let any man be seen throughout all the mount; neither let the flocks nor herds feed before that mount.
4And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the LORD had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone.
5And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD.
6And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
7Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
8And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped.
9And he said, If now I have found grace in thy sight, O LORD, let my LORD, I pray thee, go among us; for it is a stiffnecked people; and pardon our iniquity and our sin, and take us for thine inheritance.
10And he said, Behold, I make a covenant: before all thy people I will do marvels, such as have not been done in all the earth, nor in any nation: and all the people among which thou art shall see the work of the LORD: for it is a terrible thing that I will do with thee.
11Observe thou that which I command thee this day:
behold, I drive out before thee the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite.
12Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee:
13But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves:
~>One:
14For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
15Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;
16And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods.
~>Two:
17Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
18The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt.
19All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male.
20But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.
21Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.
22And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.
23Thrice in the year shall all your menchildren appear before the LORD God, the God of Israel.
24For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when thou shalt go up to appear before the LORD thy God thrice in the year.
25Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.
26The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.
27And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
28And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 471627
7/22/2008 12:32 AM | | Re: The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today | Quote |
3rd "ten commandments:
King James Version (KJV)
Deuteronomy 6
1Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
2That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
3Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
4Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
7And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
8And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
9And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
10And it shall be, when the LORD thy God shall have brought thee into the land which he sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give thee great and goodly cities, which thou buildedst not,
11And houses full of all good things, which thou filledst not, and wells digged, which thou diggedst not, vineyards and olive trees, which thou plantedst not; when thou shalt have eaten and be full;
12Then beware lest thou forget the LORD, which brought thee forth out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
13Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name.
14Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you;
15(For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.
16Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.
17Ye shall diligently keep the commandments of the LORD your God, and his testimonies, and his statutes, which he hath commanded thee.
18And thou shalt do that which is right and good in the sight of the LORD: that it may be well with thee, and that thou mayest go in and possess the good land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers.
19To cast out all thine enemies from before thee, as the LORD hath spoken.
20And when thy son asketh thee in time to come, saying, What mean the testimonies, and the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD our God hath commanded you?
21Then thou shalt say unto thy son, We were Pharaoh's bondmen in Egypt; and the LORD brought us out of Egypt with a mighty hand:
22And the LORD shewed signs and wonders, great and sore, upon Egypt, upon Pharaoh, and upon all his household, before our eyes:
23And he brought us out from thence, that he might bring us in, to give us the land which he sware unto our fathers.
24And the LORD commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the LORD our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive, as it is at this day.
25And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 471627
7/22/2008 12:44 AM | | Re: The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today | Quote |
The Nazis hated Christianity and tried to completely eliminate it from schools and public life. Check out what this Nazi tract from 1941 entitled "Gott und Volk" had to say about children:
“With parties and gifts the youth will be led painlessly from one faith to the other and will grow up without ever having heard of the Sermon on the Mount or the Golden Rule, to say nothing of the Ten Commandments…...
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The reality is that the socialists of the radical left of today that are trying to eliminate Christianity from our public schools are very similar to the national socialists (Nazis) of the 40s. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 246619
I ask you OP
Which "Ten Commandments"?
Your sect's version and interpretation only?
As far as Liberals being "socialists of the radical left"
as you claim...
Since 1992, I've repeatedly asked at gatherings of Liberals (mostly Democrats)
"Who here will or has signed over title to his house and car to the government?
Who here believes in socialism: "government ownership of property"?
Not once has ANY of the many thousands whom I've asked ever said or volunteered to oppose property rights.
Every member of the American "left" believes in property rights/capitalism.
Difference I've found is
Conservatives talk about what they believe and then do the opposite (called marching lockstep) at the orders of their leaders.
Liberals argue about what they believe and have no leaders whose orders they will follow.
Each Liberal thinks s/he is the only one with a clear vision and correct ideas.
Individualism
Conservatives do as they are told by their leaders.
Collectivism |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 471627
7/22/2008 1:21 AM | | Re: The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today | Quote |
There's nothing unconstitutional about teaching out of the Bible "congress shall make no law prohibiting the exercis[e] of religion".
... the first amendment can be fixed also. It has been bad from the foundation.
Nobody is going to force someone to be a Bible reading Christian, but if they are of another religion/culture they will want to go elsewhere. The priority is that truth is taught and we don't dictate Marxist atheism like the USSR.
Who is this "we" you refer to?
And why should anyone trust you?
I remember a Jehovah's Witness in my 3rd grade class.
She got tripped, books knocked from her hands, spit on and mud thrown on her dress.
All because her sect of Christianity prohibited giving allegiance to political institutions and she was not allowed to stand during the National Anthem and Pledge.
Good "Christian" Baptists, Methodists, Catholics, and Adventists did those things to her.
Teaching out of any book is not prohibited by the First Amendment.
Teaching any ONE Sect's religious belief, as such, IS prohibited by the "No Establishment of Religion"
Establishing that sect above all others is prohibited.
The Bill of Rights if fine just like it is.
It protects us from extremists.
Unless your "truth is the third version of the "Ten Commandments" quoted previously,
Your truth is opposed to Jesus' truth:
"Matthew 22 (King James Version)
"36Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38This is the first and great commandment.
39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."< |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 471563
7/22/2008 1:56 AM | | Re: The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today | Quote |
I believe how it was done in the original thirteen colonies was to teach whatever religion held majority for the state or region, and one could always move. I don't think education was even mandatory back then, it's optional.
Some were Episcopalian, Church of England/Anglican, Presbaterian, Baptist, Quaker ect, oh and Catholic (Maryland). That was all up until the Bible riots.
[link to en.wikipedia.org] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 422730
7/22/2008 2:36 AM | | Re: The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today | Quote |
The Nazis hated Christianity and tried to completely eliminate it from schools and public life. Check out what this Nazi tract from 1941 entitled "Gott und Volk" had to say about children:
“With parties and gifts the youth will be led painlessly from one faith to the other and will grow up without ever having heard of the Sermon on the Mount or the Golden Rule, to say nothing of the Ten Commandments… The education of the youth is to be confined primarily by the teacher, the officer, and the leaders of the party. The priests will die out. They have estranged the youth from the Volk. Into their places will step the leaders. Not deputies of God. But anyway the best Germans. And how shall we train our children? Thus, as though they had never heard of Christianity!”
And there are many more historical quotes and facts which prove this point about the Nazis:
[ link to theendtimesblog.blogspot.com]
The reality is that the socialists of the radical left of today that are trying to eliminate Christianity from our public schools are very similar to the national socialists (Nazis) of the 40s.
Associating the leftists and the Nazi's is flawed way of thinking. The motivations are different. Religion should be left out of public schools, we should have a secular public school system. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 472137
7/23/2008 12:49 AM | | Re: The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today | Quote |
Associating the leftists and the Nazi's is flawed way of thinking. The motivations are different. Religion should be left out of public schools, we should have a secular public school system. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 422730
Today's Rightwing is quite similar to the Communist party.
Dogma and loyalty to party over all else.
Today's left has a charismatic leader able to sway crowds and insipre fanatic devotion like no politician since Hitler.
For the first time in US history, America's left blindly follow a leader.
A replay of 2000, one party so upset about 8 years of perceived political opression they blindly follow a savior.
Get ready for Prayer breaks in public schools.
Supposedly 'non-denominational', but oddly coincidental to the times Muslims must pray. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 246619 (OP)
7/28/2008 5:13 PM | | Re: The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today | Quote |
I hope that this thread will help all of us wake up to the truth a little bit more. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 474979
7/28/2008 5:24 PM | | Re: The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today | Quote |
Yeah and that all ties in with the current royal house in brittain.They are germain. who is it that is selling their people to the Babylonian's faster than any eu country !Face it folk's the german's and the radical mulims were buddy buddy back then and by inference I would say they still are. Quoting: Mi'Kmaq
yup; I think you might be right ;-(
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 474668
7/28/2008 5:32 PM | | Re: The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 415581
8/24/2008 9:55 PM | | Re: The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 474668
Wow that is a lot of flags.
Who are they directed at? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 486149
8/24/2008 10:05 PM | | Re: The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today | Quote |
Kids, you have to Google "Nazi", "National Socialism" amd "Facism" to see what is going on behind the scenes. |
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