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The plasma-powered flying saucer

 
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The plasma-powered flying saucer
July 9, 2008 The military’s 60-year old love affair with circular flying ship designs hasn’t really succeeded in doing anything but fuelling the paranoid fantasies of tinfoil hat-wearing conspiracy theorists. However, with UAVs taking on an increasingly prominent role in defense, and the development of exciting new methods of propulsion, it’s possible that flying saucers may soon reach viability. University of Florida mechanical and aerospace engineering associate professor Subrata Roy has submitted a patent for a circular, spinning craft that can hover and take off vertically.

The wingless electromagnetic air vehicle, or WEAV, is just six inches across, but has the potential to be scaled up to a much larger size. It is efficient enough to be powered by onboard batteries, and Roy estimates that a test flight may be possible in just four months.

The craft is powered by magnetohydrodynamics – the force created by passing a current or magnetic field through a conducting fluid. The WEAV is covered with electrodes that ionize the surrounding air into plasma, which functions as the conducting fluid. Passing a current through the plasma creates lift and momentum, and the hollow, curved design of the WEAV maximizes the contact area between air and vehicle, and allows it to maintain stability. It sounds complicated, but using magnetohydrodynamics eliminates moving parts from the design, making it a far more simple and reliable vessel than propeller-based designs.

Unfortunately, its reliance on magnetic fields means that Roy’s flying saucer will not be zipping through outer space. Even flying on Earth is going to present a challenge – it will need to generate an order of magnitude more thrust, and if it succeeds, it will be the first plasma-propelled aircraft to do so within our atmosphere. Another potential problem is that the magnetohydrodynamic system could interfere with communications, forcing scientists to think outside the box for a reliable long-distance control system. Perhaps instead of radio, it could transfer information back to base via the traditional flying saucer methods of crop circles or cattle mutilation.

The WEAV has applications for extra-planetary exploration, especially on Saturn’s sixth moon, Titan. There are also obvious military applications for the craft, in surveillance and reconnaissance. Roy’s research has interested NASA and the US Air Force, and is a result of Air Force-funded research into plasma actuators.

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Thank you, OP. I'm researching Vacuum Domains and other plasma phenomena. The fact that the military have had plasma weapons tells me the importance of plasma in our universe has been grossly underrated.

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Thank you, OP. I'm researching Vacuum Domains and other plasma phenomena. The fact that the military have had plasma weapons tells me the importance of plasma in our universe has been grossly underrated.

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 Quoting: Divinity


I am not so sure about it being underrated as I am about it being under utilized. In recent times the use of Plasma has been increasing tremendously in research and industry. It was just a matter of time before it would find an application in transportation. It will be interesting to see the development over the next few years.
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could this not be part of the slowly leaking info to the public so we get used to the REAL ufo thing and also the devices the mil already has which are real ufos or ifo to be exact.

just a thought...
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Sweet! I want to bend a plasma arc and make a lightsaber! All I need is a small and powerful enough power source!
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Microwave heated plasma has been talked about for ages as a source of propulsion....hopefully the same can be done with private transport, then I can not only run over road kill but cook it at the same time.
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Microwave heated plasma has been talked about for ages as a source of propulsion....hopefully the same can be done with private transport, then I can not only run over road kill but cook it at the same time.
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Unfortunately, its reliance on magnetic fields means that Roy’s flying saucer will not be zipping through outer space. Even flying on Earth is going to present a challenge – it will need to generate an order of magnitude more thrust, and if it succeeds, it will be the first plasma-propelled aircraft to do so within our atmosphere. Another potential problem is that the magnetohydrodynamic system could interfere with communications, forcing scientists to think outside the box for a reliable long-distance control system. Perhaps instead of radio, it could transfer information back to base via the traditional flying saucer methods of crop circles or cattle mutilation.
 Quoting: Bloggermouth


That part about communicating via crop circles or cattle mutilation is an odd thing to say in this article. What does cattle mutilation have to do with communication??
I say burn all of your bridges while you still have control of the flame
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Unfortunately, its reliance on magnetic fields means that Roy’s flying saucer will not be zipping through outer space. Even flying on Earth is going to present a challenge – it will need to generate an order of magnitude more thrust, and if it succeeds, it will be the first plasma-propelled aircraft to do so within our atmosphere. Another potential problem is that the magnetohydrodynamic system could interfere with communications, forcing scientists to think outside the box for a reliable long-distance control system. Perhaps instead of radio, it could transfer information back to base via the traditional flying saucer methods of crop circles or cattle mutilation.

That part about communicating via crop circles or cattle mutilation is an odd thing to say in this article. What does cattle mutilation have to do with communication??
 Quoting: The Analog Guy


There were a few disparaging references in the article that made me shake my head. I am interested in the science aspect of the article not the absurd rhetoric.
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- Bertrand Russell
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I think differing philosophical points of view as branches of a tree, each competing for its share of the light. It is the leaves at the top of the tree whose ego says, "it is us that provide for the life of this tree." They have forgotten the roots and the branches who now sit in the shade. - Bloggermouth
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That part about communicating via crop circles or cattle mutilation is an odd thing to say in this article. What does cattle mutilation have to do with communication??
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That has me bamboozled too. I was thinking comedic effect,
or something?
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That part about communicating via crop circles or cattle mutilation is an odd thing to say in this article. What does cattle mutilation have to do with communication??

That has me bamboozled too. I was thinking comedic effect,
or something?
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I didn't find it comedic at all. It was more like subterranean smart ass nerd talk who watches way too much Dr. Phil.

...fuelling the paranoid fantasies of tinfoil hat-wearing conspiracy theorists.
A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.
- Bertrand Russell
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I think differing philosophical points of view as branches of a tree, each competing for its share of the light. It is the leaves at the top of the tree whose ego says, "it is us that provide for the life of this tree." They have forgotten the roots and the branches who now sit in the shade. - Bloggermouth
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Perhaps instead of radio, it could transfer information back to base via the traditional flying saucer methods of crop circles or cattle mutilation.

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ROFL HOAX
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could this not be part of the slowly leaking info to the public so we get used to the REAL ufo thing and also the devices the mil already has which are real ufos or ifo to be exact.

just a thought...
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i thought the same thing, the timing is just so right and all...
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I don't know how you guys feel.
But it seem that the high tech stuff is being lagged.

We seem behind on your public tech.

-peace
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Another potential problem is that the magnetohydrodynamic system could interfere with communications, forcing scientists to think outside the box for a reliable long-distance control system. Perhaps instead of radio, it could transfer information back to base via the traditional flying saucer methods of crop circles or cattle mutilation.

I didn't think cattle mutilation had anything to do with communication.
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Another potential problem is that the magnetohydrodynamic system could interfere with communications, forcing scientists to think outside the box for a reliable long-distance control system. Perhaps instead of radio, it could transfer information back to base via the traditional flying saucer methods of crop circles or cattle mutilation.

I didn't think cattle mutilation had anything to do with communication.
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Think again....

cattlemutilation.comm.net
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Think again....

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Doesn't work.
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aren't flying saucers supposed to be based on Nikola Tesla type technology? where electrons go across and all over the outside of the craft, as if creating a "sweeping" effect with the electrons.
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aren't flying saucers supposed to be based on Nikola Tesla type technology? where electrons go across and all over the outside of the craft, as if creating a "sweeping" effect with the electrons.
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you are right... old news

this is similar to the "Foo Fighters" of WWII
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The plasma ring was invented by Viktor Schauberger back in the 30's. Thus, the foo fighters at the end of the war, and the classic saucers that began to be spotted in the U.S. in 1947.

His other inventions were just as remarkable.
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The plasma ring was invented by Viktor Schauberger back in the 30's. Thus, the foo fighters at the end of the war, and the classic saucers that began to be spotted in the U.S. in 1947.

His other inventions were just as remarkable.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 429194


I dont want to totally get off topic here...

but I still want to built a vortex generator using an atmospheric air medium.

He was a true visionary.
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I will scream it alod once again:

SUBRATA ROY IS A PLAGIARIST OF THE WORK DEVELOPPED BY FRENCH ASTROPHYSIC AND LONG TIME ONL CIVILIAN MHD SPECIALIST JEAN PIERRE PETIT!!!!!

take a look at his assays on MHD flight on his site at www.jp-petit.org and look at the design of his "aerodyne", from which Roy's is a direct copy!!!!!!


For God's sake, Petit even made a cdivulgative comic book on the subject called "Beyond the barrier of silence"

WAKE UP FOLKS, THIS HAS BEEN AROUN FOR DECADES!!!!!!!
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For the lazy boys, here are the links I refer to (search the word "aerodyne" for more relevant parts on each page):

[link to www.jp-petit.org]

[link to www.jp-petit.org]

[link to www.jp-petit.org] (PUBLISHED IN 1976!!!!)
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I just found a humorous and reflexive comment from JP Petit himself about the injustice of having his work stolen by others.

You can read it here in french:

[link to www.jp-petit.org]

Advance to "13 Juin 2008"
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I just found a humorous and reflexive comment from JP Petit himself about the injustice of having his work stolen by others.

You can read it here in french:

[link to www.jp-petit.org]

Advance to "13 Juin 2008"
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe (nli) 466605


That's the Romans (USA) for you, they always stole from the Greeks and Babarians(FR).
Read - for thy sustainer is the most bountiful one, who has taught the use of the pen, taught man what he did not know!
Nay verily man becomes grossly overweening, whenever he believes himself to be self-sufficient: for behold unto thy sustainer all must return.

Quran 96:3-8

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