Godlike Productions - Discussion Forum
Users Online Now: 1,754 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 2,514
Pageviews Today: 3,674Threads Today: 1Posts Today: 18
12:01 AM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

CDC lab containing deadly virus suffers power outage

 
Anxious Mo-Fo
Offer Upgrade

User ID: 458316
United States
07/12/2008 07:47 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
CDC lab containing deadly virus suffers power outage
I live just to the east of the CDC complex in the Druid Hills neighborhood. Could ride my bike over there in about a half hour with traffic. These sort of stories always make me feeling less than warm and fuzzy inside. Perhaps I should change my screen name to "The GLP Canary in a Coal Mine":

[link to www.ajc.com]

CDC lab containing deadly virus suffers power outage


By ALISON YOUNG
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 07/12/08

A laboratory building that contains a deadly strain of avian flu and other germs is among four that lost power for more than an hour Friday when a backup generator system failed again at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The outage affected air flow systems in labs that help contain such germs as the H5N1 flu virus, which some experts fear could cause a pandemic. But there were no exposures to infectious agents, and neither workers nor the public were at any risk, said CDC spokesman Tom Skinner.

The outage is the latest in a string of mechanical and construction incidents at labs on the agency's Clifton Road campus — many in new buildings that are part of a $1 billion construction plan.

Last summer, an hour-long power outage at a different CDC lab tower, called Building 18, resulted in a congressional hearing. The Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress, is still examining safety at CDC's high-containment laboratories and concerns raised years ago by agency engineers that CDC's backup power system was likely to fail.

"It's important for people to understand that even though we lose power to these facilities from time to time, worker safety and the public's safety is not in jeopardy because multiple, redundant systems are in place, separate from those that rely on power," Skinner said Saturday.

Around 5:40 p.m. Friday, a Georgia Power transformer failed, cutting off electricity to part of the CDC campus. CDC's backup generators initially came on, Skinner said. But then the system detected some sort of power anomaly and shut itself off, cutting off backup power to three buildings, he said.

The buildings affected were:

• Building 17, a newer infectious disease research lab building, where scientists work with rabies, HIV, influenza and tuberculosis, including extensively drug-resistant strains. The building has Biosafety Level 3 (BSL-3) labs, which need electricity to maintain negative airflow. This key safeguard helps contain germs by making sure air is always being drawn into the lab and through special HEPA filters before leaving the building. When power is lost, the lab has neutral air that neither flows in or out.

• Building 20, a newer office building that also houses the agency's fitness center.

• Building 1 and Building 3, antiquated attached office buildings from about 1959.

Information about whether any labs were in use at the time of the outage was not immediately available Saturday, Skinner said.

"This happened late in the day and there were not many employees still in the buildings," Skinner said. "Those in the buildings evacuated without incident."

The power was out for about 1 hour 15 minutes, Skinner said, and was restored when Georgia Power fixed the transformer problem.

A bird caused the blown Georgia Power transformer, said power company spokesman Jeff Wilson.

CDC officials did not attempt to override and restart the agency's backup generators because they didn't know what the anomaly was that shut them down, Skinner said.

Skinner also said there was no power disruption at Building 18, the $214 million Emerging Infectious Diseases Laboratory that suffered the hour-long outage last summer.

The AJC reported last summer that government construction engineers had warned since 2001 that CDC's planned design for its centralized backup power generation system would not keep crucial lab systems from failing in an outage.

"I've been saying this for over three years now, but having the generators in this configuration gives us no protection whatsoever from many types of failures," CDC mechanical engineer Johnnie West wrote in an August 2003 e-mail to agency officials, one of several reviewed by the AJC.

CDC officials have said that despite West's concerns, the consensus of experts was that a centralized generator farm was better than having individual units at buildings.

Skinner emphasized that the CDC has many other physical barriers to contain germs that don't require electricity. They include safety cabinets and layers of rooms, filters and corridors between the germs and the outdoors.

"I think people need to know we're talking about an enormous campus with complex systems, and we're never going to be able to fully eliminate power outages," Skinner said. "That's impossible. The key for us is to minimize the duration of the outage."
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 304696
United States
07/12/2008 07:52 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: CDC lab containing deadly virus suffers power outage
Maybe a building as important as this needs a backup-backup generator, and a daily preventative maintenance test on the one backup generator they have.

Test it daily. Simple.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 467070
United States
07/12/2008 07:52 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: CDC lab containing deadly virus suffers power outage
hmmmm
OxygenX

User ID: 466305
United Kingdom
07/12/2008 07:56 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: CDC lab containing deadly virus suffers power outage
I would imagine that they have redundancy built in for this type of emergancy. I take it they work with and upto Biosafty Level 4 which means air in and out of those places is scrubbed multiple times, entry in and out of labs through airlock chambers, showers and other forms of decontamination.

Nothing much to worry about.
Cheers.
-----------------------------
"Shit, if this is gonna be that kind of party, I'm going to stick my dick in the mashed potatoes."

"The gene pool is stagnant and I am the minister of chlorine"

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence"
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 461504
United States
07/12/2008 08:46 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: CDC lab containing deadly virus suffers power outage
I would imagine that they have redundancy built in for this type of emergancy. I take it they work with and upto Biosafty Level 4 which means air in and out of those places is scrubbed multiple times, entry in and out of labs through airlock chambers, showers and other forms of decontamination.

Nothing much to worry about.
 Quoting: OxygenX


Then why are they so worried?
malu

User ID: 421073
United States
07/12/2008 08:50 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: CDC lab containing deadly virus suffers power outage
I would imagine that they have redundancy built in for this type of emergancy. I take it they work with and upto Biosafty Level 4 which means air in and out of those places is scrubbed multiple times, entry in and out of labs through airlock chambers, showers and other forms of decontamination.

Nothing much to worry about.


Then why are they so worried?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 461504



yeah this makes no sense, like KN said, back up to the back up and check it daily

on the other hand, they had video evidence of the person taking anthrax cultures out of the lab and that person is still free

yeah i would be worried too if i lived near that
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

Israel's Mossad

"The truth shall set you free."

U.S. Central Intelligence Agency Motto
Anxious Mo-Fo  (OP)

User ID: 458316
United States
07/12/2008 09:13 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: CDC lab containing deadly virus suffers power outage
yeah this makes no sense, like KN said, back up to the back up and check it daily

on the other hand, they had video evidence of the person taking anthrax cultures out of the lab and that person is still free

yeah i would be worried too if i lived near that
 Quoting: malu


Malu, you just made me realize something. The worry I have is for these pathogens escaping on their own when the power goes out. I just realized after reading your post that no one asked about physical security in these buildings when the power goes out. In other words, the juice goes out, what's to prevent someone from entering or leaving a sensitive area with something that should stay in the lab?

If backup power is unavailable, I'm assuming certain key systems in the buildings go on some form of UPS unit(s). But with the power issues we've had in this area for the past few years, those battery systems are going to need constant maintenance. For all the $$$ they have dumped into new onstruction on their campus over the years it seems they are really ignoring the maintnance of systems based on these reports we've been hearing. What's to say the electric keylock and monitoring systms and the alarms aren't hooked into a UPS system that won't stay up for more than a half hour after things go hot, dark and quiet? Perhaps just long enough to take down some servers and a few support systems.

After those systems have sucked the batteries down, access could be easily gained and movement out of the facilities would be just as easy.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 466463
United States
07/13/2008 07:13 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: CDC lab containing deadly virus suffers power outage
The obvious question is WHY breed these bioweapons in the first place?

Why not call it what it is:Center for Disease SPREAD. Where do you think the agents are MADE to put in certain lots of vaccine bottles to be sent to public "health" or the poor areas or resisters groups?Where do they grow the stuff to spray on "sterile" gauzes in the hospital wars or for low patient census times?





GLP