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150 out of the 7,500 banks nationwide could fail over the next 12 to 18 months
Analysts say more U.S. banks will fail
By Louise Story Published: July 14, 2008


As home prices continue to decline and loan defaults mount, U.S. regulators are bracing for dozens of American banks to fail over the next year.

But after a large mortgage lender in California collapsed late Friday, Wall Street analysts began posing two crucial questions: Just how many banks might falter? And, more urgently, which one could be next?

The nation's banks are in far less danger than they were in the late 1980s and early 1990s, when more than 1,000 federally insured institutions went under during the savings-and-loan crisis. The debacle, the greatest collapse of American financial institutions since the Depression, prompted a government bailout that cost taxpayers about $125 billion.

But the troubles are growing so rapidly at some small and midsize banks that as many as 150 out of the 7,500 banks nationwide could fail over the next 12 to 18 months, analysts say. Other lenders are likely to shut branches or seek mergers.

"Everybody is drawing up lists, trying to figure out who the next bank is, No. 1, and No. 2, how many of them are there," said Richard Bove, the banking analyst with Ladenburg Thalmann, who released a list of troubled banks over the weekend. "And No. 3, from the standpoint of Washington, how badly is it going to affect the economy?"


Many investors are on edge after federal regulators seized the California lender, IndyMac Bank, one of the nation's largest savings and loans, last week. With $32 billion in assets, IndyMac, a spinoff of the Countrywide Financial Corporation, was the biggest American lender to fail in more than two decades.

Now, as the Bush administration grapples with the crisis at the nation's two largest mortgage finance companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, a rush of earnings reports in the coming days and weeks from some of the nation's largest financial companies are likely to provide more gloomy reminders about the sorry state of the industry.

The future of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is vital to the banks, savings and loans and credit unions, which own $1.3 trillion of securities issued or guaranteed by the two mortgage companies. If the mortgage giants ever defaulted on those obligations, banks might be forced to raise billions of dollars in additional capital.

The large institutions set to report results this week, including Citigroup and Merrill Lynch, are in no danger of failing, but some are expected to report more multibillion-dollar write-offs.

But time may be running out for some small and midsize lenders. They vary in size and location, but their common woe is the collapsed real estate market and souring mortgage loans. Most of these banks are far smaller than the industry giants that have drawn so much scrutiny from regulators and investors.

Still, only six lenders have failed so far this year, including IndyMac. In 1994, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation listed 575 banks that it considered to be troubled. As of this spring, the agency was worried about just 90 banks. That number may go up in August, when the government releases an updated list.

"Failed banks are a lagging indicator, not a leading indicator," said William Isaac, who was chairman of the FDIC in the early 1980s and is now the chairman of the Secura Group, a finance consulting firm in Virginia. "So you will see more troubled, more failed banks this year."

And yet IndyMac, one of the nation's largest mortgage lenders, was not on the government's troubled bank list this spring — an indication that other troubled banks may be below the radar.

The FDIC has $53 billion set aside to reimburse consumers for deposits lost at failed banks. IndyMac will eat up $4 billion to $8 billion of that fund, the agency estimates, and that could force it to raise more money from the banks that it insures.

The agency does not disclose which banks it thinks are troubled. But analysts are circulating their own lists, and short sellers — investors who bet against stocks — are piling on. In recent weeks, the share prices of some regional banks, like the BankUnited Financial Corporation, in Florida, and the Downey Financial Corporation, in California, have stumbled hard amid concern about their financial health. A BankUnited spokeswoman said the lender had largely avoided risky subprime loans.

In his "Who Is Next?" report over the weekend, Bove listed the fraction of loans at banks that are nonperforming, meaning, for example, that the assets have been foreclosed on or that payments are 90 days past due. He came up with what he called a danger zone, which was a percentage above 5 percent. Seven banks fell in this category.

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Dear Bro,
think it will be worse than that, see other associated threads
up currently, but is an important issue.
So just how big will the Fed become, can it actually manage to gobble up all the others, before it has to swallow its own tail(that by the way is reference to its alchemical roots(gold out of lead grosser levels etc), the nature of money, and mammon as that old serpents broodling.
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Dear Bro,
think it will be worse than that, see other associated threads
up currently, but is an important issue.
So just how big will the Fed become, can it actually manage to gobble up all the others, before it has to swallow its own tail(that by the way is reference to its alchemical roots(gold out of lead grosser levels etc), the nature of money, and mammon as that old serpents broodling.
 Quoting: FHL(C)

Agreee 100% the analysts quoted in the article is being ultraconserv. But the fact that this is even being talked about in the mainstream is cause for alarm!

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The nation's banks are in far less danger than they were in the late 1980s and early 1990s, when more than 1,000 federally insured institutions went under during the savings-and-loan crisis.

Well, well. Doom canceled.
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BURN BABY BURN!!!!! AHHHH HAAAAAA LETS DO THIS ALREADY!
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as many as 150 out of the 7,500 banks nationwide could fail over the next 12 to 18 months, analysts say.<<<<<<<



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The nation's banks are in far less danger than they were in the late 1980s and early 1990s, when more than 1,000 federally insured institutions went under during the savings-and-loan crisis.


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that alone should tell you it will be in the thousands, Omega has already suggested 3-4 thousand , i suggested at least 50%
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The nation's banks are in far less danger than they were in the late 1980s and early 1990s, when more than 1,000 federally insured institutions went under during the savings-and-loan crisis.

Well, well. Doom canceled.
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that was then,this is now.the dollar isnt worth a crap.throw in the war for oil and gas prices,then throw in the drought an food cost...
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"150 out of the 7,500 banks nationwide could fail over the next 12 to 18 months"

um, this doesn't seem like financial armageddon, on the contrary, it seems like the greatest credit bubble will burst relatively painlessly
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Relax! The US banking will collapse!

Remember the Thrift crisis in the 80's????

Remember the RTC????

Calm Down!!!!
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"150 out of the 7,500 banks nationwide could fail over the next 12 to 18 months"

um, this doesn't seem like financial armageddon, on the contrary, it seems like the greatest credit bubble will burst relatively painlessly
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The nation's banks are in far less danger than they were in the late 1980s and early 1990s, when more than 1,000 federally insured institutions went under during the savings-and-loan crisis.



that alone should tell you it will be in the thousands, Omega has already suggested 3-4 thousand , i suggested at least 50%
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That alone told me it would be less than the number (more than 1,000) that went under during the S&L crisis. Logically, that would mean far less than 1,000.

And, bless Omega's heart and all, but it seems to me that his current financial knowledge comes about just the same way mine does - from reading stories on the internet. I appreciate that he thinks there will be 3-4 thousand, but he also seems to be highly (emotionally and financially) invested in the collapse of the world as we know it. People who are completely invested in something are usually not the ones to trust to have complete perspective on issues involving it. Not being mean, hateful, or judgmental. Just my observation.

I think if you drew a line and put GLP on one end and what comes from the MSM and government on the other and found the direct center, you'd just about be at the truth.
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The nation's banks are in far less danger than they were in the late 1980s and early 1990s, when more than 1,000 federally insured institutions went under during the savings-and-loan crisis.



that alone should tell you it will be in the thousands, Omega has already suggested 3-4 thousand , i suggested at least 50%


That alone told me it would be less than the number (more than 1,000) that went under during the S&L crisis. Logically, that would mean far less than 1,000.

And, bless Omega's heart and all, but it seems to me that his current financial knowledge comes about just the same way mine does - from reading stories on the internet. I appreciate that he thinks there will be 3-4 thousand, but he also seems to be highly (emotionally and financially) invested in the collapse of the world as we know it. People who are completely invested in something are usually not the ones to trust to have complete perspective on issues involving it. Not being mean, hateful, or judgmental. Just my observation.

I think if you drew a line and put GLP on one end and what comes from the MSM and government on the other and found the direct center, you'd just about be at the truth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 465434



Interesting. Riddle me this:

What did the Bears Stearns CEO state for the record the night before they were swallowed by JP and the Fed???

What has Bernanke, Paulson, Dodd and others been stating all last week concerning the GSE's???

WE ARE ADEQUATELY CAPITALIZED.


Over and over and over says thee....


TODAY( right before the Asian markets opened I might add-whatsa matter Paulie,lmao) , regarding the GSE's, Paulson releases a statement that Fannie and Freddie can go to the FED discount window, and will be issued further lines of credit.

Conclusion-watch not what they say-watch what they do.
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The nation's banks are in far less danger than they were in the late 1980s and early 1990s, when more than 1,000 federally insured institutions went under during the savings-and-loan crisis.



that alone should tell you it will be in the thousands, Omega has already suggested 3-4 thousand , i suggested at least 50%


That alone told me it would be less than the number (more than 1,000) that went under during the S&L crisis. Logically, that would mean far less than 1,000.

And, bless Omega's heart and all, but it seems to me that his current financial knowledge comes about just the same way mine does - from reading stories on the internet. I appreciate that he thinks there will be 3-4 thousand, but he also seems to be highly (emotionally and financially) invested in the collapse of the world as we know it. People who are completely invested in something are usually not the ones to trust to have complete perspective on issues involving it. Not being mean, hateful, or judgmental. Just my observation.

I think if you drew a line and put GLP on one end and what comes from the MSM and government on the other and found the direct center, you'd just about be at the truth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 465434

what i suggest to you is this the S&L debacle(by the way follow the money there for some interesting revelations about todays players) is but a storm in a money mandarins teacup compared to whats coming down the financial chutes now
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If you borrow money from a bank, let's say $10,000, and that bank fails then does that mean you don't have to pay back the loan? That would be sweet!!
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Antone ever notice this always happens when republicans are in office. hell they even had the house and senate for 2 fucking years. I guess they were all Idiot's as I suspected and Idiot's elected them so you deserve neither money or freedom, so suck it up WHINNERS and pay the piper.
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I voted for Gore.
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Whooppee, shit.

That's VERY minor.



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Anybody know if there are US banks that will definitely not fail ?
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Anybody know if there are US banks that will definitely not fail ?
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YES, this is all B.S. fear mongering... god... why are you all so stupid?
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ab the biggest beer maker in the usa failed

sold out

hello

they were depression proof too... they did it before even with laws that prevented that business

go there
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opps link

www.stltoday.com freaking front page

mad me cry
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150/7500 = 2%

*yawn*
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Anybody know if there are US banks that will definitely not fail ?


YES, this is all B.S. fear mongering... god... why are you all so stupid?
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Well bully for you that you don't worry.
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as many as 150 out of the 7,500 banks nationwide could fail over the next 12 to 18 months, analysts say.<<<<<<<



hahahahahaahahahahahahahhhahahahahaahhahahaah!!!!


hahahahahaahahahahah!!!!


Hahhahahahahaah!!!

Ha!!!

Man you guys kill me, thats the funniest shit I have heard all year.
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Wasn't there an article posted (here?) that mentioned 6000 possible failures?
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For a while, all Greenspan mentioned was the problem with DERIVATIVES, saying that no one knew how extensive they are. We're about to find out! In the Quadrillion$! There isn't that much money in the whole world based on present currency rates.

The only way those cut throats can finance the ponzi scheme is to confiscate all wealth of the majority of the Earth's population. Killing us off would be the neatest way.
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Oh well.

It was too good to last anyway. Want to know whats coming...

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If the Banks Crash how does the National ID Card come to the rescue? If you don't have money how do you pay your rent, mortgages, food, utilities, etc.





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