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| Barely anyone understands the nature of Freemasonry and secret societies
| edgar celadus
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7/18/2008 10:32 AM
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Everyone on conspiracy forums nowadays seem to believe that "secret societies" are to be a scare upon the human race. Many people see groups that meet up in halls to be conspirators against humanity, preparing evil schemes to make the world bow before them. They also claim to know the going ons of societies that they would have no chance of getting into because of their own contradictory beliefs and lack of character. Many people demean the reputation of societies, like Masonry because of fear, and of course blind ignorance. Perhaps it is the lack of understanding that our nation and culture portrays to societies. It certainly is not a subject taught in schools.
And do you not find that odd, that societies, especially those like Masonry are completely disregarded in history, especially American history...as Masonry had such a direct impact on the foundation of the United States...and still has some influence, though no where near the levels many anti-Masons would claim without evidence.
But, the question should not be ... What is Masonry? ... No, instead, the question should be... Why join Masonry? Yes, that is by far the more appropriate question, and I do believe it goes across the board into all fraternities, no matter the size, origin or purpose. Of course there are amateur off sects that attempt to ridicule what the members typically take out of context or purposefully or unintentionally misinterpret...still the basic underlying means of why members will join even the strangest societies is typically the same. And while it works for both genders, nearly in the same way, men tend to join societies far more frequently, and I believe there are reasons for this behavior.
A sense of belonging. Humans are social animals, we need the interaction of other people. Men need other men in their lives, that is, brotherhood and more importantly, a sense of belonging to a group. Many men join for the sense of community, a chance to bond with other men, as weird as whatever the society may be, if it is a group of men that they can associate with, they will be content.
The next point I see as to why men need societies, is bonding. In adult life, males do not "socialize" at the rate that would be considered "normal" outside of Western Society, because of the demands placed on men, time is limited. Groups such as Masonry at the basic level gives men a chance for general socialization.
Next, a very important aspect of societies: belonging. Brotherhood acceptance and general self-esteem within a group of individuals, to be in a group, like Masonry, but not limited to Masonry, a man is accepted for who he is and what he thinks, whether or not you agree or disagree on any wide variety of topics, you are still bound together by oaths, and most importantly, journey and experience. That is what ties brothers together, the ordeals, and tribulations they all over came. Brotherhood is the most important aspect in a mans life outside of his family, because it includes in general a wide variety of needs and wants, and fulfills them by the simple knowing of belonging to like minded individuals. You are accepted in the character you present yourself. There are never social alterations which leads to the last part of brotherhood and that is general self-esteem. Men tend to suffer from depression far more often then reported, but society usually tells us to hide our feelings and be a man. A brotherhood in accepting you for you and joining a strong bond with underlying principals and ritual fulfills the needs of belonging, acceptance and brotherhood, thus fulfilling a void in your life.
No man wanders about looking for a society to join that best suits them, if they are not indeed missing something. For, if a man is truly content with his life, and his surroundings, why would he need the social interaction a Society can offer, like Masonry? He wouldn't, he has no reason, and if he did, he would feel no fulfillment and would drift away, or begin feeling burdened by an obligation.
Those who search to destroy the institute of societies, much like Masonry, do so because they either understand or don't understand. Those who do understand know that when men gather together without restriction, they are free to express themselves, their inner rage and desires, they malcontent and fury against the institutions that hold them back from truly progressing. It is for these reasons institutions like the Church, and nations have suppressed the rights of societies, often pushing them underground. To suppress free thought, free opinion, free congregation of ideas typically directed against those who suppress them, and rightfully so, after all, Masonry did help bring about American independence from the British Crown.
The rest, through ignorance mainly, lack of understanding or religious zealot type fears, hate and despise which they cannot comprehend, cannot fathom. They hate because they do not belong. Perhaps it is they who are truly missing something in their life. The purity and perfection of rituals, the sense of bonding brotherhood, the sense of belonging to something bigger then ordinary life, a sense of truly doing good for fellow man. Perhaps they fear that because it sounds so foreign, so unfamiliar, therefore it certainly must be evil, satanic and working for the demise of anyone not associated.
In short, why men need societies is to gather together, and as men behave like men in a like minded group of individuals, the topics can be what ever comes up, but any interaction is much better than none at all. Men who join societies begin to feel a sense of self worth, as if they are doing something with their lives, something to look forward to on the weekend to escape the mundane order of life that has engulfed our scheduled society.
I hope that this thread might explain, perhaps, in my own observation and opinion based on typical group organizations, WHY people join...not WHAT is...because WHY is often, just as important and often WHY can explain WHAT. |
| Enlilson 
Son of son of son of Enlil
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7/18/2008 11:18 AM
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I would say that many that do join a lodge are doing it for the very reasons you have pointed out - brotherhood. I am sure there are many that have joined because they believe it will help them in some way, others because they are seeking some hidden knowledge and then of course because they hate kids drink blood and worship saten. Actually all the anti talk is making me want to go back and join a blue lodge.
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| Anonymous Coward
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7/18/2008 11:39 AM | | Re: Barely anyone understands the nature of Freemasonry and secret societies | Quote |
Thats all good and nice there but when world leaders and High law officials and judges and supreme court people are masons then you have to ask yourself WTF is going on, cause tell me if i am wrong but it seems like a power grab! Key places of power and all that.
Thats not innocent behavior |
| Divinity
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7/18/2008 11:41 AM
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Hi Edgar  It's a very well thought-out post but in my experience/research, I have found it's not the lower (junior members) who are a problem at all. I agree, they do join for the social interraction and business connections, and the companionshp is probably all very nice.
The problem is that Freemasonry is owned by Theosophy. Theosophy has had a major influence in all spiritual/religious affairs throughout the world and could be deemed as self-appointed 'Powers That Be'. Theosophy owns the United Nations...that's how powerful they are.
The following chart will indicate how influencial they are. If you could get hold of a copy of Manly Hall's 'Secrets of All The Ages', you wll see Freemasonry is a two-tier system...one set of rules/rituals/beliefs for the juniors and another for those 33 deg. +. At the end up, their allegiance is pledged to Baal, not 'God', yet the ones higher up the ladder know the true nature of God (the Architect/the Living Universe/pure creative energy) and have tried to retain all 'hidden' knowledge to themselves to maintain their status quo.
The recruits have no idea what energy is attached to all the secret rites, symbols, rituals they partake in so do not realise they are lending their energy (free will) to what is tantamount to an evil organisation. The teachings are deliberately deceptive, no better than any other religion or cult.
Anyway, love to you and take care,
Love Div
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| Anonymous Coward
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7/18/2008 12:11 PM | | Re: Barely anyone understands the nature of Freemasonry and secret societies | Quote |
The recruits have no idea what energy is attached to all the secret rites, symbols, rituals they partake in so do not realise they are lending their energy (free will) to what is tantamount to an evil organisation. The teachings are deliberately deceptive, no better than any other religion or cult. Quoting: Divinity
Ignorance is no excuse. People dont just give out there personal info or credit card info to anything without first knowing who it or they is and is it secure.
Same goes for this |
| Anonymous Coward
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7/18/2008 12:17 PM | | Re: Barely anyone understands the nature of Freemasonry and secret societies | Quote |
to serve the beast in the highest podium.
they´re all crazy pseudo-religionist wankers. |
| Enlilson
Son of son of son of Enlil
User ID: 457613
7/18/2008 1:36 PM
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Thats all good and nice there but when world leaders and High law officials and judges and supreme court people are masons then you have to ask yourself WTF is going on, cause tell me if i am wrong but it seems like a power grab! Key places of power and all that.
Thats not innocent behavior Quoting: Anonymous Coward 468124
Hate to break it to you but most members of lodges are all 60ish and up and not to many of them have any real power(anymore). The last president of the US to even be a mason was Gerald Ford. There are at best a handful of US Representatives and top law enforcement officals dont know of any do you? As for the Black 9 the last mason was Thurgood Marshall and we all know he was such a terrible person.
Not sure what goes on in any other countries but as far as US masonry goes it is waning and lodges are shutting down and selling property.
As from the lodge being a gate way to more secret orders I am sure the same can be said of any religion too and those that aspire to such things what would stop them doing so?
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| Enlilson
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7/18/2008 1:46 PM
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Hi Edgar It's a very well thought-out post but in my experience/research, I have found it's not the lower (junior members) who are a problem at all. I agree, they do join for the social interraction and business connections, and the companionshp is probably all very nice.
The problem is that Freemasonry is owned by Theosophy. Theosophy has had a major influence in all spiritual/religious affairs throughout the world and could be deemed as self-appointed 'Powers That Be'. Theosophy owns the United Nations...that's how powerful they are.
The following chart will indicate how influencial they are. If you could get hold of a copy of Manly Hall's 'Secrets of All The Ages', you wll see Freemasonry is a two-tier system...one set of rules/rituals/beliefs for the juniors and another for those 33 deg. +. At the end up, their allegiance is pledged to Baal, not 'God', yet the ones higher up the ladder know the true nature of God (the Architect/the Living Universe/pure creative energy) and have tried to retain all 'hidden' knowledge to themselves to maintain their status quo.
The recruits have no idea what energy is attached to all the secret rites, symbols, rituals they partake in so do not realise they are lending their energy (free will) to what is tantamount to an evil organisation. The teachings are deliberately deceptive, no better than any other religion or cult.
Anyway, love to you and take care,
Love Div
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| Enlilson
Son of son of son of Enlil
User ID: 457613
7/18/2008 1:48 PM
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Hi Edgar It's a very well thought-out post but in my experience/research, I have found it's not the lower (junior members) who are a problem at all. I agree, they do join for the social interraction and business connections, and the companionshp is probably all very nice.
The problem is that Freemasonry is owned by Theosophy. Theosophy has had a major influence in all spiritual/religious affairs throughout the world and could be deemed as self-appointed 'Powers That Be'. Theosophy owns the United Nations...that's how powerful they are.
The following chart will indicate how influencial they are. If you could get hold of a copy of Manly Hall's 'Secrets of All The Ages', you wll see Freemasonry is a two-tier system...one set of rules/rituals/beliefs for the juniors and another for those 33 deg. +. At the end up, their allegiance is pledged to Baal, not 'God', yet the ones higher up the ladder know the true nature of God (the Architect/the Living Universe/pure creative energy) and have tried to retain all 'hidden' knowledge to themselves to maintain their status quo.
The recruits have no idea what energy is attached to all the secret rites, symbols, rituals they partake in so do not realise they are lending their energy (free will) to what is tantamount to an evil organisation. The teachings are deliberately deceptive, no better than any other religion or cult.
Anyway, love to you and take care,
Love Div
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
having gone through most of the rituals of masonry and just about every other so called secret society I would like to hear just which parts you think are nefarious. Light is always welcome as it tends to drive fear out from the darkness where it thrives best.
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| Anonymous Coward
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7/18/2008 1:57 PM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 468124
7/18/2008 2:14 PM | | Re: Barely anyone understands the nature of Freemasonry and secret societies | Quote |
Thats all good and nice there but when world leaders and High law officials and judges and supreme court people are masons then you have to ask yourself WTF is going on, cause tell me if i am wrong but it seems like a power grab! Key places of power and all that.
Thats not innocent behavior
Hate to break it to you but most members of lodges are all 60ish and up and not to many of them have any real power(anymore). The last president of the US to even be a mason was Gerald Ford. There are at best a handful of US Representatives and top law enforcement officals dont know of any do you? As for the Black 9 the last mason was Thurgood Marshall and we all know he was such a terrible person.
Not sure what goes on in any other countries but as far as US masonry goes it is waning and lodges are shutting down and selling property.
As from the lodge being a gate way to more secret orders I am sure the same can be said of any religion too and those that aspire to such things what would stop them doing so? Quoting: Enlilson
Colin Powell
Al Gore, Freemason
Barry Goldwater
Tony Blair
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| Seeker4Truth
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9/25/2008 2:03 AM | | Re: Barely anyone understands the nature of Freemasonry and secret societies | Quote |
Written in the Bible it states and warns that Lucifer would come as an angel of light that he would immitate God or try to anyways. Also remember he is the master deceiver and king of lies. perhaps what may appear to be good on the outside because of thier good deeds to the world is only thier to mask the true goal wich is very evil. They do not mind doing the good deeds because they are meant to ultimatly deceive you wich in thier eyes is an jab or fist to the face of Christ. An ultimate insult for so many men to fall under a ultimate deception showing the ignorance of the beings Christ has chosen to save and allow into Heaven. But a pitiful attempt by an fallen angel jealous of Humans because God has raised us higher than lucifer and given us a chance at heaven , but Lucifer and his followers have none zilch 0000000000000000000000000!
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10/26/2008 10:45 AM
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| Anonymous Coward
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10/26/2008 10:49 AM | | Re: Barely anyone understands the nature of Freemasonry and secret societies | Quote |
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| 19.47™
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10/26/2008 10:54 AM | | Re: Barely anyone understands the nature of Freemasonry and secret societies | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
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10/26/2008 11:09 AM | | Re: Barely anyone understands the nature of Freemasonry and secret societies | Quote |
i don't know what to say. i like divinity's post though. |
| j_stevens0n
User ID: 535322
10/26/2008 11:14 AM | | Re: Barely anyone understands the nature of Freemasonry and secret societies | Quote |
That's pretty much why I joined the Order of the Eastern Star. There are people there! I can make friends! |
| Hiram Abiff
User ID: 535330
10/26/2008 11:20 AM
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Good post! And yeah, people are kinda crazy when it comes to Freemasonry because they are a secret society, and they don't grasp the fellowship aspect of it. And Theosophy came around about 200 years after the first grand lodge formed. Theosophy doesn't have anything to really do with Freemasonry, but Steiner and other Theosophists were Masons.
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| NikkiLaVey
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10/26/2008 11:22 AM
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Very well written.
I see some of the people you talk about post their BS here just to prove your point!
If we don't help each other who will
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 296854
10/26/2008 11:24 AM | | Re: Barely anyone understands the nature of Freemasonry and secret societies | Quote |
Masons are overrated in terms of power, i'll give you that. The way alot of conspiracy people portray them as devil worshipping cunts is totally wrong also.. it is not some totally demonic brotherhood.
However..
It IS a secret society, free from oversight from the public domain and others, and most importantly is a hierarchical system ie just like the army where a general can bark orders to a lower member when the situation calls for it.
This element is abused when deemed fit by those who have infiltrated the very top tiers of masonry in the last few hundred years, those who infact wrote the last degrees/high degrees..
I met a security guard for the Grand Masons lodge in Covent gardens, London, on the bus. He was a royalist also. Told me about their good nature, and how they raise more money for charity than any other organization! This much is true. The lower ends of masonry IS filled with good people doing generally good things.
Its the top tiers you have to worry about. The very tip of the system has been co-opted by some outside nasty people. Of course the lower level members have no clue. Infact, they will not have any clue until they reach the higher tiers and start getting the odd order from the hidden hand on occassion.
The system is there to be used when called for by the hidden hand. It does not happen 24/7. That is not sly, and makes no sense. It is only used when the situation is needed. "Pick your moment wisely" a man once said.. |
| Secret Sally
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10/26/2008 11:26 AM | | Re: Barely anyone understands the nature of Freemasonry and secret societies | Quote |
They don't understand probably because it is a secret.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 535334
10/26/2008 11:30 AM | | Re: Barely anyone understands the nature of Freemasonry and secret societies | Quote |
Hi Edgar It's a very well thought-out post but in my experience/research, I have found it's not the lower (junior members) who are a problem at all. I agree, they do join for the social interraction and business connections, and the companionshp is probably all very nice.
The problem is that Freemasonry is owned by Theosophy. Theosophy has had a major influence in all spiritual/religious affairs throughout the world and could be deemed as self-appointed 'Powers That Be'. Theosophy owns the United Nations...that's how powerful they are.
The following chart will indicate how influencial they are. If you could get hold of a copy of Manly Hall's 'Secrets of All The Ages', you wll see Freemasonry is a two-tier system...one set of rules/rituals/beliefs for the juniors and another for those 33 deg. +. At the end up, their allegiance is pledged to Baal, not 'God', yet the ones higher up the ladder know the true nature of God (the Architect/the Living Universe/pure creative energy) and have tried to retain all 'hidden' knowledge to themselves to maintain their status quo.
The recruits have no idea what energy is attached to all the secret rites, symbols, rituals they partake in so do not realise they are lending their energy (free will) to what is tantamount to an evil organisation. The teachings are deliberately deceptive, no better than any other religion or cult.
Anyway, love to you and take care,
Love Div
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
:illumina:
The chart makes alot of sense. Only where does the Catholic Church fit in? It's gotta be in there somewhere. |
| voice
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10/26/2008 11:34 AM | | Re: Barely anyone understands the nature of Freemasonry and secret societies | Quote |
This is a secret society within a secret society: The general population of Mason's, do not know that within their ranks, is a deeper more sinister organization called the "illuminate"!
Just like in most other organizations, they are being manipulated by a more hidden cabal, within its own boarders!
Most Mason's are good men.......they just don't know how they are being used to support a hidden agenda is all! Blah :( |
| Hiram Abiff
User ID: 535330
10/26/2008 12:07 PM
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The Illuminati started in one Baverian Freemason lodge where one person had dreams of power over the Catholic Church and tried to recruit of Mason's. It has nothing to do with Freemasonic ideals or philosophy and was denounced then by the Masons. The Illuminati died out within a few years of it's inception, and is not tied to Freemasonry at all.
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| NikkiLaVey
User ID: 269684
10/26/2008 12:10 PM
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This is a secret society within a secret society: The general population of Mason's, do not know that within their ranks, is a deeper more sinister organization called the "illuminate"!
Just like in most other organizations, they are being manipulated by a more hidden cabal, within its own boarders!
Most Mason's are good men.......they just don't know how they are being used to support a hidden agenda is all! Blah :( Quoting: voice 534196
I have over the last 30 years of my life read many books ... articles and what have you!
We know that the Bavarian Illuminati existed back in the 1700's
Everything Else is Speculation! Books and books of stuff but no concrete evidence ... Secret Letters written by so and so ... but ZERO proof the letter is real. Such and such said this and that to so in so .. That My Dears isn't proof.
Why is all these people reveal secrets of the Illuminati don't get killed before they reveal their dark secrets or made to disappear?
As a Disclaimer I must admit back in the 90's there was a site that claimed they had "Proof" I was an Illuminati Agent.
The "Proof" against me follows:
I was an Officer in Air Force Special Operations" .... True!
I worked for Naval Intelligence (SPAWAR) at one time .... True!
I was working for a Government Contractor (SETA) right down the road from CIA HQ .... True!
I know a awful lot about secret societies including the Illuminati .... True!
Therefore I am an Illuminati Agent .... False!
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| NikkiLaVey
User ID: 269684
10/26/2008 12:11 PM
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Hi Edgar It's a very well thought-out post but in my experience/research, I have found it's not the lower (junior members) who are a problem at all. I agree, they do join for the social interraction and business connections, and the companionshp is probably all very nice.
The problem is that Freemasonry is owned by Theosophy. Theosophy has had a major influence in all spiritual/religious affairs throughout the world and could be deemed as self-appointed 'Powers That Be'. Theosophy owns the United Nations...that's how powerful they are.
The following chart will indicate how influencial they are. If you could get hold of a copy of Manly Hall's 'Secrets of All The Ages', you wll see Freemasonry is a two-tier system...one set of rules/rituals/beliefs for the juniors and another for those 33 deg. +. At the end up, their allegiance is pledged to Baal, not 'God', yet the ones higher up the ladder know the true nature of God (the Architect/the Living Universe/pure creative energy) and have tried to retain all 'hidden' knowledge to themselves to maintain their status quo.
The recruits have no idea what energy is attached to all the secret rites, symbols, rituals they partake in so do not realise they are lending their energy (free will) to what is tantamount to an evil organisation. The teachings are deliberately deceptive, no better than any other religion or cult.
Anyway, love to you and take care,
Love Div
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The chart makes alot of sense. Only where does the Catholic Church fit in? It's gotta be in there somewhere.
Lets not forget the Boy Scouts!
If we don't help each other who will
Dream the Good Dream,
Nikki |
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