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The Skeptics INCH Game!!! - Do UFOs/Aliens Exist? Wanna play?

 
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The Skeptics INCH Game!!! - Do UFOs/Aliens Exist? Wanna play?
You guys want to play the inch game?

Here's how it works, I'll start with something you agree with and then, very slowly, we'll inch away from the area where you are comfortable.

The majority of you are willing to state:
"The universe is too big not to have life elsewhere, but there's no way it's here."

So, lets start with that:
1. Agreed - There is probably other life in the universe.

Would it be too much to ask to step forward an inch from there?

2. There is probably intelligent life in the universe.

Not so bad, right? You doing ok?

Now, an inch further would be to say:

3. The other life in the universe would probably have an interest in other life.

Yeah, we can accept that?

Let's go a little further:

4. Other life in the universe could possibly be hundreds of thousands of years older than us.

"Makes sense, it's an old place and we're a relatively recent addition."

Still feeling ok? Legs not too shaky yet? Well lets go!:

5. The older civilizations (100,000-200,000) have probably progressed in technology way beyond us. They can most likely seed life on other planets (panspermia/exogenesis) and might have found a way to travel great distances through space rapidly; either sublight, or interdimensional, or tunneling - doesn't matter which.

"Well grumble, grumble," says the skeptic. "I guess so, but I don't like the faster than light bit, but ok. I'll accept that it's possible if you're writing a sci-fi book."

Good enough. Well done. Let's pinch another inch:

6. So it is safe to say that, had they wanted to, extraterrestrials could have seeded life here on earth a long long long time ago in our past? (even if it was a million years ago and maybe they'd taken a million years to travel to get here before that.) I'm just asking if it is possible; not whether they did.

"Grumble grumble. Well, possible... I guess. It could have happened but there's no evidence! There's no evidence!"

Yes, I know, I know. There there, try and stay calm. Another inch:

7. If they might have done such a thing, would it stand to reason that they might have hung around somewhere close to keep an eye on things, OR that they might plan a trip sometime after said seeding to research how the little petri dish was doing?

"Well, no. I mean, you're crossing the line here. I mean, the expanse of space... the limitations... I mean, there's relativity to consider, and aging and muscle fatigue... and you'd have to... it would be a terribly expensive... the energy required... i just don't think so."

If they were biologically adept they could have created bodies that didn't self-destruct and deteriorate like ours; biological robots essentially; puppets. They could have done it is the point. You didn't really disagree back there, you just stuttered a lot. Can we go one more inch just to wrap up the exercise?

"I guess."

Ok. Here we are. The last one. Seems so close, right? All we moved was inches away from our first statement. And yet, when looked at by itself it seems so illogical and crazy and unbelievable. Let's read it together now:

8. So, doesn't it stand to reason that, another intelligence, perhaps far older than us, is.... here? On earth? Now?

"Absolutely not!"

"...No way in hell! You are an idiot. You are stupid. I am smart. Please die. Have you met my friend science? He's awesome. And he could kick your ass. But he's really old and it's really tough to change his mind about anything. Like a large corporation, he isn't very swift at changing directions suddenly. Seriously. But he's like a mathematical ninja that could dominate you with formulas! Do you have any formulas, punk? Let's see your formulas! Show me an alien! Make my day!"

This is the end. But I will leave you with this thought: That with a little imagination, it is only inches more to think that a civilization with 200,000 years old technology might have found a way to exist between dimensions (or that they started out there and found a way into ours), flitting between them at will (hence: superfast travel, no physical evidence); that they may be able to travel in time (hence: superfast travel, no physical evidence, only ever blurry pictures perfectly suitable for 'plausible denial' by skeptics and squeals of delight from believers; as if someone was trying to wake us up to their existence very slowly and carefully.) Scary stuff, huh?

"The only thing scary is what an idiot you are."

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Re: The Skeptics INCH Game!!! - Do UFOs/Aliens Exist? Wanna play?
Nice post!

I've played that game many times with skeptics, not in the same wording of course but you get the idea.
That game PISSES PEOPLE OFF! I have had so many people get angry with me over that approach because it attacks their sensbilities through REASON.
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Re: The Skeptics INCH Game!!! - Do UFOs/Aliens Exist? Wanna play?
asking about ETs, UFOs, and 9/11 are the ultimate questions to ask someone to find out if they are brainwashed or not.
i don't argue anymore, i just walk away from the people who continuously lie to themselves. it drives me nuts and there is no way to communicate truth to someone who is lying to themselves. its too bad though, because all i'm trying to do is help. some people just can not and will not deal with the truth.
at this point (2008) if people are still in denial, they are going to have a hard time dealing with the truth when it comes.
that is what many of them need though. they need their egos shattered to infinite pieces and they need to be the ones to clean it up, just like the rest of us did when we woke the fuck up.
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I have no doubts there is life on other planets the question remains where though.

You might think that in 200.000 years we can and want to visit TRILLIONS of stars (or even be able of monitoring them all realtime, eg we are currently seeing stars and such with a massive delay of millions of years).

And thus be frank the connection there are aliens thus they must be able to find us is a bit far fetched.

Not to mention that by far most "sightings" are just terribad (chinese lampoons and such) doesn't imply that there are aliens currently visiting us.
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Not to mention that by far most "sightings" are just terribad (chinese lampoons and such) doesn't imply that there are aliens currently visiting us.
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this is a classic, "hello, i'm a brainwashed, tv watching, newspaper read'n, zombie."
i'm not trying to be an asshole.
you picked that "idea" up from watching the news and actually trusting them. you have to stop trusting them, they are owned by the ones who are hiding the facts from you (the government)!!!
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Re: The Skeptics INCH Game!!! - Do UFOs/Aliens Exist? Wanna play?
I have no doubts there is life on other planets the question remains where though.

You might think that in 200.000 years we can and want to visit TRILLIONS of stars (or even be able of monitoring them all realtime, eg we are currently seeing stars and such with a massive delay of millions of years).

And thus be frank the connection there are aliens thus they must be able to find us is a bit far fetched.

Not to mention that by far most "sightings" are just terribad (chinese lampoons and such) doesn't imply that there are aliens currently visiting us.
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The problem with that is that you as an individual does not constitute the entire realm of human experience. Consider and one of the explorers in history or even an astronaut who has gone into low earth orbit. Individual human experience is different (of course!!!). It stands to reason that others have had experiences different than you.

Within that collective experience also includes phenomena unknown to you.
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You lost me at Number 1. There is a big difference between there is probably life and there "is" life. The Titanic was probabably going to make it to New York on it maiden voyage.
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You lost me at Number 1. There is a big difference between there is probably life and there "is" life. The Titanic was probabably going to make it to New York on it maiden voyage.
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even skeptics have to admit there must be other life out there. considering the size and age of the universe its beyond ridiculous to assume earth is the only life bearing planet.

if, as far as i know of astronomy, earth is an average planet revolving around a common type star in a very ordinary galaxy then simple logic would suggest that life is common throughout the universe. intelligent life is another matter, but considering that it took 4 billion years for intelligent life to evolve on earth, and the age of the universe is at least 3 times that, then again simple logic states that there has been more than enough time for other intelligence to evolve.

we are indeed the new kids on the block, and are only just beginning to scratch the surface of the mysteries of the universe.
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total bs you can't prove alien life or evolution.
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total bs you can't prove alien life or evolution.
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i can!! you have evolved into stupid...
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Re: The Skeptics INCH Game!!! - Do UFOs/Aliens Exist? Wanna play?
That was a very clever response (for a six year old maybe). If that's the best you got kindly shut the fuck up. You have nothing.
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i beileve in step #10

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what possible reason would an intelligent race have for coming to earth? surely not for the opportunities for intelligent conversation.....why do people have such a hard time grasping the concept of our being nothing more than semi-hairless apes with powertools and an ego problem? it's the theory that best explains the current sorry state of our "civilization"....seeded by the super-intelligent people of another world...rofl...get over yourself....
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what possible reason would an intelligent race have for coming to earth? surely not for the opportunities for intelligent conversation.....why do people have such a hard time grasping the concept of our being nothing more than semi-hairless apes with powertools and an ego problem? it's the theory that best explains the current sorry state of our "civilization"....seeded by the super-intelligent people of another world...rofl...get over yourself....
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there is soo much DNA on this planet that beings from all over have interests here..

i have heard that from many sources.

plus our ancestors care about us and want us to do the right things...


i wish we had better leadership that cares about humanity...


why do we have wars,poverty,polution? i mean true human leaders would take care of all that ASAP
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That's about right. It must be difficult going through life not ever looking up at the sky. If they looked, they would stop lying to themselves, or, would they ?
I wonder what SETI is doing ? Why search deep space for signals, when all they have to do is find the signals of the one in our daily skies ? We could then ask them to create a conference call for us.
Seems logical to me.

Now that I have thousands of photos, I just say to skeptics, " explain these !". [link to www.picasaweb.google.com]
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That's about right. It must be difficult going through life not ever looking up at the sky. If they looked, they would stop lying to themselves, or, would they ?
I wonder what SETI is doing ? Why search deep space for signals, when all they have to do is find the signals of the one in our daily skies ? We could then ask them to create a conference call for us.
Seems logical to me.

Now that I have thousands of photos, I just say to skeptics, " explain these !". [link to www.picasaweb.google.com]
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you have photos of life being seeded on this planet by aliens???
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theres actually some great videos of ufos floating around glp right now. it doesnt take much to see the evidence, just the risk of opening your mind a little.
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theres actually some great videos of ufos floating around glp right now. it doesnt take much to see the evidence, just the risk of opening your mind a little.
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yep:)

a couple of my favs








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That's about right. It must be difficult going through life not ever looking up at the sky. If they looked, they would stop lying to themselves, or, would they ?
I wonder what SETI is doing ? Why search deep space for signals, when all they have to do is find the signals of the one in our daily skies ? We could then ask them to create a conference call for us.
Seems logical to me.

Now that I have thousands of photos, I just say to skeptics, " explain these !". [link to www.picasaweb.google.com]
 Quoting: TEXAS UNCENSORED 470767


Seti are not doing anything. They propose that communication would be through radio transmission. I think the logic is flawed.

Have you checked out this doofus, from Seti TU?
Thread: VIDEO: July 18th Larry King CNN on ET UFOs Disabling US Missiles. Friedman, Fox VS Bill Nye, Shostack . Debunkers Embarrassed. Includes Disclosure Pro
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yeah, watch the debunkers dig their own graves, i almost felt sorry for them they got their asses kicked so badly.

UFO Over Los Angeles Thread: UFO Over Los Angeles!! July 18th 11:20pm
the first video is interesting (not convinced about the other 2)
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yeah, watch the debunkers dig their own graves, i almost felt sorry for them they got their asses kicked so badly.

UFO Over Los Angeles Thread: UFO Over Los Angeles!! July 18th 11:20pm
the first video is interesting (not convinced about the other 2)
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I could not believe how arrogant they were... What kind of evidence do you need, I mean its a phenomena like any other observed and yet excluded from conscious recognition--absurd!

I've seen them myself too (late '70s & '96 & '05), I don't even bother trying to convince people anymore.

Thank you, for the vid.

I'm actually listening to some old C2C with bob lazar :).
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I find fault with such arguments.

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yeah, watch the debunkers dig their own graves, i almost felt sorry for them they got their asses kicked so badly.

UFO Over Los Angeles Thread: UFO Over Los Angeles!! July 18th 11:20pm
the first video is interesting (not convinced about the other 2)


I could not believe how arrogant they were... What kind of evidence do you need, I mean its a phenomena like any other observed and yet excluded from conscious recognition--absurd!

I've seen them myself too (late '70s & '96 & '05), I don't even bother trying to convince people anymore.

Thank you, for the vid.

I'm actually listening to some old C2C with bob lazar :).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 422730


yeah their arguments are wearing thin, all they really have to rely on is the distance argument, which is pretty thin anyway, and assumes that e.t. only knows as much about the universe as we do (i.e. not much). when you take quantum mechanics/gravity into account faster than light travel is quite possible, theoreticaly at least, though scientists are still only scratching the surface with those kinds of physics.

i can see why the seti guy resists the evidence though, if he admits their real then he's out of a job. seti is a joke, i dont think its even meant to find anything, just an updated version of bluebook, a p.r. stunt to make it look like science is taking it seriously.

theres nothing quite like seeing them for yourself, my last sighting was about a month ago, with the last full moon. but eyewitness testimony isnt worth much as far as ufo's go, no matter how credible the witness or what kind of backup evidence there is. the skeptics wont have a bar of it.
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Re: The Skeptics INCH Game!!! - Do UFOs/Aliens Exist? Wanna play?
theres actually some great videos of ufos floating around glp right now. it doesnt take much to see the evidence, just the risk of opening your mind a little.



yep:)

a couple of my favs








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thanks for the vids. im going to have to check them out later though.
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I find fault with such arguments.

Refer to plasma aliens link below.
 Quoting: FAR

cool link. though i do believe plasma based life forms attribute to some sightings dont see how they can explain them all.
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Great responses! I only just noticed that the thread had continued after I left.
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