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Anyone remember the Travis Walton UFO incident that occured back in 1975?

Well, after reading this, I'm inclined to believe that Mr. Walton is a fraud:

[link to www.imdb.com]

Read through the entire thread (click link) and you'll discover some interesting details about the case that you probably can't find anyone else.
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 Quoting: coolhandluke74

Read through all the posts.
It sounds legit to me.

Occam's razor usually wins out in these kinds of cases.
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Travis Walton's story is about as believable as a story I heard about 19 hijackers evading the Air Force in Airliners then slamming them into tho large buildings. Man, some people will believe anything...
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god that was hard to read, worse grammar than most glper's, mine included. 1 guy says he's knows the waltons or something, a long term member of the community or something.

he does sound legit, i mean it's an interesting twist on the story, but it doesnt totally debunk it. i never paid much attention to travis walton, other that the movie was wildly different to the story he told, i know the basics of what happened. there is some interesting information i hadnt heard before. sounds like the lie detector test was pretty sloppy, and that travis had a history of drug abuse.

i do believe something strange did happen to him, though it wouldnt suprise me at all if he embellished some of it. ive mooved from the city into a small country town and i know that country people have no imagination, they dont make shit up (obviously there are some execptions), but seriously most of them arent intelligent enough to make up a story like that.

thanks for the like op, it was an interesting read, and puts the story into a different perspective, but i dont think it totally debunks it, not for me anyway.
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I believe the evidence that the aliens stem from human imagination is contained within Mr. Walton's story itself. As an example, consider if you happened upon an account by a 13th century farmer of his abduction by aliens, describing a huge flying ship with 14 masts and sails made of some hard unknown substance, and devices such as an hourglass containing a luminous fluid that automatically turned itself over at the end of each cycle. Any one of these details, like the hourglass as a chronometer, would make it obvious that this event came out of the man's imagination of what an alien encounter would be like.

So when I read Mr. Walton's story, I came across dozens of examples of anachronistic technology or objects which would be extremely unlikely to be used by an advanced alien civilization. Some examples are hanging lights from the ceiling, a bench full of tools, surgical gowns, face masks to avoid contamination, an oxygen mask-like device for disabling a person, a shelf for placing objects, a ramp as the way to exit a space ship (they can fly across the universe, but can't invent stairs, elevators, or just a ground-level exit from a space ship that is sitting inches off the ground?). It is possible that some of these might be chalked up to coincidence, but the likelihood that they would come up with no better technology than ours for all these cases is so slim. My favourite is a chair with a lever in the arm! We already have more advanced interfaces to our computers and machines, including voice technology, gesture recognition, eye tracking, research into reading brain waves, so I'm pretty sure that an advanced alien race would have some more sophisticated way to drive the spaceship than a lever. I doubt they would even have a chair; I would think perfectly balanced blasts of air or force field would be a better thing to sit or recline on, or most likely some technology we cannot even imagine.

Anyway, you may or may not agree, but every time I read about alien abductions, I look for these tell-tale signs and some of them are quite laughable. As I recall from the Betty and Barney Hill UFO story, it is mentioned that the aliens drew a blood sample to determine if she is pregnant. Funny how the aliens had exactly the same technology as was imaginable in 1964. Real aliens would most likely not need an invasive procedure to do this determination. They would certainly be advanced enough to do a urine test, but most likely they would have advanced MRI scans which could tell instantly, or more likely, something so advanced we can't imagine.

Anyway, sorry for the long post, but I hope it's food for thought.

- David
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David, I feel like I know you.
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I believe the evidence that the aliens stem from human imagination is contained within Mr. Walton's story itself. As an example, consider if you happened upon an account by a 13th century farmer of his abduction by aliens, describing a huge flying ship with 14 masts and sails made of some hard unknown substance, and devices such as an hourglass containing a luminous fluid that automatically turned itself over at the end of each cycle. Any one of these details, like the hourglass as a chronometer, would make it obvious that this event came out of the man's imagination of what an alien encounter would be like.

So when I read Mr. Walton's story, I came across dozens of examples of anachronistic technology or objects which would be extremely unlikely to be used by an advanced alien civilization. Some examples are hanging lights from the ceiling, a bench full of tools, surgical gowns, face masks to avoid contamination, an oxygen mask-like device for disabling a person, a shelf for placing objects, a ramp as the way to exit a space ship (they can fly across the universe, but can't invent stairs, elevators, or just a ground-level exit from a space ship that is sitting inches off the ground?). It is possible that some of these might be chalked up to coincidence, but the likelihood that they would come up with no better technology than ours for all these cases is so slim. My favourite is a chair with a lever in the arm! We already have more advanced interfaces to our computers and machines, including voice technology, gesture recognition, eye tracking, research into reading brain waves, so I'm pretty sure that an advanced alien race would have some more sophisticated way to drive the spaceship than a lever. I doubt they would even have a chair; I would think perfectly balanced blasts of air or force field would be a better thing to sit or recline on, or most likely some technology we cannot even imagine.

Anyway, you may or may not agree, but every time I read about alien abductions, I look for these tell-tale signs and some of them are quite laughable. As I recall from the Betty and Barney Hill UFO story, it is mentioned that the aliens drew a blood sample to determine if she is pregnant. Funny how the aliens had exactly the same technology as was imaginable in 1964. Real aliens would most likely not need an invasive procedure to do this determination. They would certainly be advanced enough to do a urine test, but most likely they would have advanced MRI scans which could tell instantly, or more likely, something so advanced we can't imagine.

Anyway, sorry for the long post, but I hope it's food for thought.

- David
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Interesting point!

Have you ever noticed though that when we put monkeys in a zoo, we put in fake trees and leave for them to make "natural" nests with, fake streams and ponds for them to use and so on?

Real aliens would of course be, alien, and may do things for reasons we can't think of, but the same points you note could be done for other reasons than lack of technology or even mirroring of technology...

It could be done to keep the monkeys happy.

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I believe...[deleted]...but I hope it's food for thought.

- David


Interesting point!

Have you ever noticed though that when we put monkeys in a zoo, we put in fake trees and leave for them to make "natural" nests with, fake streams and ponds for them to use and so on?

Real aliens would of course be, alien, and may do things for reasons we can't think of, but the same points you note could be done for other reasons than lack of technology or even mirroring of technology...

It could be done to keep the monkeys happy.

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The thought had occurred to me, but I had dismissed the idea of intentional human mirroring because this does not seem to be a case of trying to make humans comfortable or deceived by using familiar objects. It is quite obvious to any human in the described environment that he is not among humans, so deception is out. And it doesn't seem like the aliens were trying to make the humans comfortable, given the terror he describes. Certainly being bound on a table next to gowned humanoids and a bunch of tools similar to being in surgery is not an attempt at allaying any human fears. So I can't see any reason the aliens would be using some combination of human-acceptable objects along with obviously non-human technology. Furthermore, it's more than just arranging some human-type stuff in the cage like in the zoo, but it seems to involve their own devices used in the privacy of space. For instance, he breaks into another room and discovers the chair-lever control, which is presumably what the aliens use for their own interaction with their devices. Also, the spaceship itself has a ramp, about the same level of technology as a medieval castle. Yes, it is possible that these are all intentional mirroring of human technology for some unfathomable purpose, but it seems very unlikely to me.

- David
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So when I read Mr. Walton's story, I came across dozens of examples of anachronistic technology or objects which would be extremely unlikely to be used by an advanced alien civilization. Some examples are hanging lights from the ceiling, a bench full of tools, surgical gowns, face masks to avoid contamination, an oxygen mask-like device for disabling a person, a shelf for placing objects, a ramp as the way to exit a space ship (they can fly across the universe, but can't invent stairs, elevators, or just a ground-level exit from a space ship that is sitting inches off the ground?). It is possible that some of these might be chalked up to coincidence, but the likelihood that they would come up with no better technology than ours for all these cases is so slim. My favourite is a chair with a lever in the arm! We already have more advanced interfaces to our computers and machines, including voice technology, gesture recognition, eye tracking, research into reading brain waves, so I'm pretty sure that an advanced alien race would have some more sophisticated way to drive the spaceship than a lever. I doubt they would even have a chair; I would think perfectly balanced blasts of air or force field would be a better thing to sit or recline on, or most likely some technology we cannot even imagine.

Anyway, you may or may not agree, but every time I read about alien abductions, I look for these tell-tale signs and some of them are quite laughable. As I recall from the Betty and Barney Hill UFO story, it is mentioned that the aliens drew a blood sample to determine if she is pregnant. Funny how the aliens had exactly the same technology as was imaginable in 1964. Real aliens would most likely not need an invasive procedure to do this determination. They would certainly be advanced enough to do a urine test, but most likely they would have advanced MRI scans which could tell instantly, or more likely, something so advanced we can't imagine.



- David
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You assume much....There's a theory that these "Aliens" are/were trapped here and thus use 'technologies' that are available to them...but with certain 'adaptations' that of course, change with time.

So many variables here...Maybe they're not from 'outer-space' but from another dimension and they are trying to create material bodies for themselves....using bastardized human technologies.

Don't assume these beings follow a 'linear' time line or reside in a 3-dimensional universe.

Are you starting to see the bigger picture here?

Sci-Fi movies and their standard-issue message of highly advanced creatures from far, far away visiting/invading this planet may be false....
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You assume much....There's a theory that these "Aliens" are/were trapped here and thus use 'technologies' that are available to them...but with certain 'adaptations' that of course, change with time.

So many variables here...Maybe they're not from 'outer-space' but from another dimension and they are trying to create material bodies for themselves....using bastardized human technologies.

Don't assume these beings follow a 'linear' time line or reside in a 3-dimensional universe.

Are you starting to see the bigger picture here?

Sci-Fi movies and their standard-issue message of highly advanced creatures from far, far away visiting/invading this planet may be false....
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If you're bringing in ideas like non-linear time, other dimensions, I concede defeat! I realize that just because a seemingly miraculous event is completely consistent with being a human fabrication doesn't mean that someone with imagination can't create an alternate theory that is also consistent with the known facts and is, by definition, impossible to disprove.
For instance, the events of Walton may be explained by any one of the following:
- it didn't happen, but aliens projected the whole experience into the minds of Mr. Walton and friends.
- not only did it not happen, but there is no Mr. Walton and family. The aliens actually projected the whole event into the minds of all the people who believe they interacted with Mr. Walton and family, some of whom believe they interacted with the Waltons for most of their lives.
- Mr. Walton is an alien who made up an abduction story, intentionally putting holes in the story to make people like me believe that alien sightings are just hoaxes and mistakes.
- Mr. Walton was really abducted by some scientists from Tahiti who created some cool technology, a flying saucer, some humanoid robots, flew to the U.S., abducted Mr. Walton, then disappeared and destroyed all the evidence.

It doesn't matter how ridiculous these theories are; none of them can be proven false. Therefore we should consider them possible, just like your theories of non-linear time, other dimensions, etc. However, I would submit that the most likely explanation is still an imagined or misinterpreted event, either intentionally or unintentionally.

It is human nature that people will usually choose the most interesting explanation over the most likely explanation. I think I'm done arguing, as I don't think I can add any more useful thoughts to this discussion.

- David
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Anyone remember the Travis Walton UFO incident that occured back in 1975?

Well, after reading this, I'm inclined to believe that Mr. Walton is a fraud:

[link to www.imdb.com]

Read through the entire thread (click link) and you'll discover some interesting details about the case that you probably can't find anyone else.
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I know Travis, and have interviewed him myself on my show, and I will say that I believe him 100% and im a skeptic, and when I speak to Travis I can get a feel for the man I'm speaking to, and he's a genuine, and down to earth person, and he does not seem to me like someone who would lie, and make up a story, and thats from knowing him, and speaking to him off air, and on air.

If you believe this bullshit IMDB post then your a total moron, and thats clear because the guy lies flat out in that post.

For one he claims that "Walton will tell you in his book " The Walton Expirience " that he passed a lie ditector test twice and so did all of his co-workers, what he doesn't say in there are the questions that were asked to him and his co-workers, my uncle saw the questions that were being asked, like did you see lights in the sky, did a light come upon you, did a light follow you in the truck, those are the questions that were aske to Travis Walton and his co-workers so he wasn't lying about what he was saying, something else Travis Walton does not tell you in his book is how Dallas was sent to jail 1 month after the apperent abduction for three years for failing a drug test and selling drugs"

First lets start with Dallas... If you know or speak to Travis he makes no bones about Dallas having a rocky past, and life but what you think the Aliens are going to NOT take Travis because "Dallas" might have been doing or selling drugs! That's a total joke of a statement, and if Dallas went to jail that's his personal life it has zero to do with anything else.

He, and Travis were not friends they were co workers, and they just happened to all share this amazing experience... That's all!! So again what happens to Dallas a month or year or decade AFTER the event is not important, and stupid to bring up.

Now as for the lie detector tests... Well that was just a pure fabrication what you read this person post.

Here are the questions which were asked of Travis Walton when he took the test.

On February 4, 1993, a polygraph examination was administered to Mr. Travis Walton. The purpose of this examination was to determine whether or not Mr. Walton was being truthful in his statement about seeing a UFO and being abducted by the UFO plus other facts surrounding the abduction.

During the pretest interview, Mr. Walton said he had worked for Mike Rogers intermittently for about six years on a seasonal basis. He never socialized with any of the crew.

On November 5, 1975, they had worked a little later than usual trying to meet the contract commitment. By the time they were driving back to town, the sun had gone down but there was some light, like twilight.

As they were driving, he could see a glimmer of light in the trees ahead. At first he thought it may be a downed airplane. The light was unusual. As they neared a clearing he saw the object he called a UFO. This object will be referred to as a UFO throughout this report.

As the truck came to a stop, Mr. Walton got out. Believing it may take off, he walked briskly towards the UFO but slowed his pace before reaching it. He described it as being round and hovering about 20 feet above the ground. He did not go underneath it but stood there looking up at it. He said the UFO started to wobble slightly and make a noise. Mr. Walton said the noise was like a low rumble that developed into a higher pitch that seemed to increase in frequency. At this point he became afraid and decided to go back to the truck. He recalls being hit with an electrifying type of shock that stunned him, leaving him unconscious.

He recalls he slowly regained consciousness. He found himself in a small room that was damp or humid. He had pain throughout his body but mostly in his chest and head. He then saw three creatures he described as being about four feet tall with large, dark eyes. He was lying on some type of table. As these creatures approached him he got off the table. There was some type of shelf near the wal1 where he found a straight pipe­like object lying on it. He describes it as being round like a piece of pipe but lightweight. He cannot recall if it was solid or hollow. He picked it up and started to lash out at the creatures to keep them at bay. The creatures left the room by an open doorway, turning right.

Mr. Walton walked to that doorway, looked down a hall and he went left. He walked into another room, trying to find an exit from this enclosure. He did not know if he was in a spaceship or a building. A human­like creature came into the room, took him by the arm, leading him to another very large room where several more human­like creatures were. By this time most of the pain was gone. He was forced down on a table and had a mask, similar to an oxygen mask, put on his face. He does not remember anything else until he awoke next to the road, just outside Heber. As he regained consciousness, he looked up, seeing the UFO or one similar to the original one, hovering overhead. As he looked up at it, the UFO sped off into the sky.

Mr. Walton said his story is true. He said accusations made about him are lies. He had not been on any drugs of any kind. He was not hiding out somewhere on the Gibson ranch. He urinated in a jar and this sample was given to Dr. Kandell later that same day. Mr. Walton denies he conspired with Mr. Rogers to perpetrate a hoax to help him get out of the Turkey Springs contract with the Forestry Service.

Two series of questions were asked to cover all the areas we believe were important.

The relevant questions asked and the answers given are as follows:


Series #1:

Question #R1:

On November 5, 1975, in the forest area called Turkey Springs, did you see a large glowing object hovering in the air?

Answer: YES

Question #R2:

While you were standing near that UFO­like object, did you believe you were struck by an energy source emitted from that large object?

Answer: YES

Question #R3:

After regaining consciousness in a small, humid room, did you see nonhuman creatures with large dark eyes?

Answer: YES

Question #R4:

Did you conspire with your brother Duane or anyone else or act alone to stage a hoax about your UFO abduction?

Answer: NO


Series #2:

Question #R1:

Between November 1 and 11, 1975, did you use any drugs, either legal or illegal?

Answer: NO

Question #R2:

Between November 5 and 10, 1975, were you hiding anywhere on the Gibson ranch?

Answer: NO

Question #R3:

Was the urine sample given to Dr. Kandell on November 11, 1975, your first voided specimen following your UFO experience?

Answer: YES

Question #R4:

Was this UFO incident a conspiracy to help Mike Rogers get out of his Turkey Springs contract?

Answer: NO


Mr. Walton's physiological responses were monitored during the presentation of these questions by means of a Scientific Assessment Technology's Computer, Model CAPS 700. The following responses were recorded on this instrument's strip chart: relative blood pressure; skin conductance; thoracic and abdominal respiration. Data from three presentations of these questions were respiration. Data obtained for each series, and were subject to numerical scoring and computer­based analysis.

The numerical score of Series #1 was +34. The numerical score of Series #2 was +26. In the system of numerical scoring developed and validated at the University of Utah, total numerical scoring of +6 or more is considered indications of truthfulness.

The computer­based analysis returned a posterior probability of truthfulness of .964 in the first series, and a .961 in the second series. These indicating that charts like these produced in each series, by Mr. Walton, are produced by truthful examinees 96% of the time.

Based on the numerical score of the polygraph charts and the computer based analysis, it is the opinion of this examiner that Mr. Walton was being truthful when he answered these relevant questions.

And just so you know that Cy Gilson was a skeptical person at the time, and came away a believer of this case.

So this alone proves that the person who wrote that crap has an agenda out against Travis, and is lying to try to hurt the credibility of this good man.

Travis Walton is a father, and a husband, and an honest person... I believe Travis 100%, and I know that whoever is behind this bullshit post is full of bullshit.

Don't believe everything you read on the internet boys, and girls because assholes, and evil people are on it doing the things they do to advance their agenda, and obviously if there is some sort of agenda to make ufology a joke you need to target the big cases, and make them look bad, and that's whats going on here.

Travis Walton's case is by far the most important, and most authentic ufo abduction case EVER that has been reported, and the man has not changed his story in 3 almost 4 decades, and also if he was some sort of drug addict or junkie you really think he would pass a lie detector test?

I mean seriously that shit doesn't even float guys...

I call bullshit to this whole debunking post on IMDB, and I will say that I stick behind this case, and Travis Walton sir you have my full support.

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Well said.
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Anyone remember the Travis Walton UFO incident that occured back in 1975?

Well, after reading this, I'm inclined to believe that Mr. Walton is a fraud:

[link to www.imdb.com]

Read through the entire thread (click link) and you'll discover some interesting details about the case that you probably can't find anyone else.
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Get TW is a hero,who ever writes up a story add and take away when truth become lies and lies become truth,all part of goverment cover up,some who write it post work for them others get nothing but like to jump on bandwagon,TW IS A TRUE MAN IT DID GO DOWN DAFTY.
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I will never know if this story is indeed true. I will say this though, it is one of the more compelling ones of all the lunatic ufo stories.
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Anyone remember the Travis Walton UFO incident that occured back in 1975?

Well, after reading this, I'm inclined to believe that Mr. Walton is a fraud:

[link to www.imdb.com]

Read through the entire thread (click link) and you'll discover some interesting details about the case that you probably can't find anyone else.
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You're kidding, right? You use the poorly written account of someone who makes all these claims and believe THAT? There's nothing in that article that proves anything. A good, genuine debunking would be much more full of evidence than that.
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+1
you retards will say anything
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I got this from travis:
OOOH, I get it. Well, the lesson here is: THERE ARE TWO (or more) SIDES to every issue. I attach here my rebuttal to that guy. Let me know what you think after reading it:
I will prove here that this person claiming that the Navajo County Sheriff was his uncle is a complete fraud. He isn't the first to try to gain status by claiming a connection to someone near the center of this incident. Even persons taking a supportive position do it by claiming to be a coworker, an ex-girlfriend, a close school chum, or even a relative. One pro-Travis guy claimed to have attended a homecoming party after my return -- problem is, that party was a story device for the movie and never really happened. One staunch supporter claims that my first call for help from that phone booth went to him, then the desperate call to my family came after that. Problem is, the operator listened in on the call to my family and reported it to the Sheriff, and there was only one call made that night. Another man bragged to the other sawyers in the chainsaw shop about how well he knew Travis and Mike, unfortunately Mike was standing right there, not even recognized. The first imposters came out from under the rocks before I was ever returned, one claiming to be my wife, two years before I married. One pretended to be me and called a radio talk show. The bias of skeptics is that they are never skeptical of THESE claims. One nonrelative with the same last name is making a career of claiming to be my cousin and, absurdly, that these entities were really after him and grabbed me by mistake!

There are so many statements in "County Sherff's nephew's" post that can easily be proved false that that's almost all there is. Public documents, simple facts and verifiable records contradict his ridiculous claims. In the first place, Sanford "Sank" Flake was NEVER the county sheriff. The basis of all his claims begin with this lie. The Navajo County Sheriff during all of those years was Marlin Gillespie. Sank was town marshal only, until the state investigation ended with his removal from office. The night of the incident the crew met with Sheriff Gillespie and his deputies at a service station closed for the night, and never went to any diner. There was no "Red Robin diner" in Heber in 1975. The first Red Robin opened 18 years later -- in Pennsylvania! The bogus "nephew" changed his claim to the "Red Onion Lounge", but even that never opened in Heber until 1995, 20 years after the UFO incident. Therefore, all those things supposedly said by the crew to the diners and by the diners are pure fiction. The incident did not occur at Young, AZ, which is many miles to the west of the Turkey Springs contract. The crew did not drink alcohol at all that day or any other work day. Alcohol was not allowed on the job. The Sheriff was asked about intoxication and told newsmen, "I sat in their truck a short time after it happened and talked to each one for a long time. I sure didn't spot anything -- and I was looking."

The bogus "nephew" claims his tale is common knowledge here. The debunkers spent huge amounts of time interviewing Gillespie, Flake, Forest Service officials and townspeople. The debunkers were even willing to lie to discredit this case -- yet they never alleged the main points this fraud claims. When attacking UFO reports the chief "debunker" attacking this case always first digs into every possible aviation and astronomical alternative explanation. He absurdly tried using the planet Jupiter, but never suggested Air Force helicopter manuevers. In all our years working in the woods we never saw any Air Force helicopters. No one could possibly mistake a helicopter for a glowing metallic disc hovering less than a hundred feet away. Chopper blades would have hit the trees, to say nothing of the huge down blast of air and the unmistakable, familiar sound. Ridiculous. The blue beam of energy was a powerful, momentary blast one crewman described as "the brightest thing I've ever seen in my life" and in no way looked like a helicopter's spotlight.

My books about this were published in 1977, 1996 and 2010, and the debunkers have never contested my basic facts; like who was sheriff, where the crew lived, where they met Gillespie, etc. Allen Dalis did NOT live in Concho. He lived in Snowflake, like every other man on that crew. Concho is not 5 miles from Snowflake, it is 30 miles east of town. And the job was 45 miles west. It would not be practical to travel 150 miles per day to work at Turkey Springs. I would bet that every crewman's home was visited by lawmen during the time I was missing. It would be dumb to think that would be overlooked while a massive manhunt was underway. Ridiculous. I did not socialize with Allen off the job and don't recall ever going inside his residence at all. It is not true that Dalis did not help in the search. He also went back again that night with the Sheriff.

I, Mike and my sister never rode together in any police car at any time in those years. MIke went back to the site that night with the Sheriff, but neither my sister nor I ever rode in a police car at all in connection with the UFO incident. I would be surprised if my sister has ever been in one in her life. That whole tale about a ride to Concho was pure fiction.

It is NOT true that Mike went back alone that night. That was movie fiction. You can't drink and do that dangerous work. The incident happened minutes after work ended, and the crew went back minutes after the incident. There wasn't time to get passing out drunk. This was covered in lie detector tests. In real life I dd not spend a single night in the hospital after the incident, that was the movie. As written in his report, the doctor who examined me did NOT discover "dirty needle marks" on my stomache and eye. The physician said the "2 mm red spot" on my arm was "not over any major blood vessel", which rules out the drug injection theory, even without the clean report the doctor got back after putting my blood and urine samples through the Maricopa County Medical Examiner's drug screen which showed no trace of any drug in my body. However, even more conclusively on that tired old drug theory is the fact that at least 2 of the 5 or 6 polygraph tests I passed asked about any drug involvement. And of course no one thought to ask, how could 7 men have the same hallucination?

It is not true that the fake nephew's scenario is common knowledge in Snowflake. I've never heard it anywhere but from the non-nephew. It is not true that I have never done any interviews in this town, and plenty of interviewers went down town to ask questions of townspeople. There's plenty of skepticism but never has any local citizen ever alleged the scenario claimed by the "not really the county sheriff's nephew'". Not one debunker or lawman has ever disputed the fact that all 6 crewmen went back that night.

The actual polygraph questions are a matter of record and do not remotely resemble what the non-nephew states. Skeptic though Sank is, he doesn't back any of this crap and, when I asked him, could not identify who the claimed nephew was. If he had possessed any knowledge of me being "stoned out of my mind at Dalis's house", there's not the slightest doubt he would have acted on it. In 1975 he had offered theories to try to explain it away, but nothing like this nonsense. Neither my son nor either of his cousins could figure out who this "dearest friend" and classmate is, even after searching the school year book. Ken Peterson verifies that his family never owned any "dome shaped house" in Concho. I really should start suing these phonies for libel, slander and defamation of character. In my book I take each and every charge levelled by the debunkers and, by citing independently verifible documents and statements by experts, prove their case to be just the sort of sham the "not really the County Sheriff's nephew" has posted all over the internet.

Six persons testifying in an American court of law (even without polygraph tests) that they witnessed a murder would have justified a death penalty conviction without a backward glance. Yet when a UFO is involved, doubt seems never to be put to rest. Granted, there is a small % of error to polygraph in general, but Edward Gelb, the president of the American Polygraph Association stated about this incident, "The odds against six people successfully deceiving a trained examiner on a single issue are over a million to one." But now the number of properly conducted tests on this single issue total 16 passed tests. And, 35 years later, all seven crewmen stand by their earlier testimonies to this day.
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The case to debunk the alleged encounter is sound. The technology was too antiquated, even for 1975, to represent an advanced extraterrestrial civilization. In all likelihood, Walton and the boys were sipping a little too much moonshine up there. They got spooked by a forest ranger's helicopter and Walton stumpled off into the woods where he got lost for a short time. Insofar as the lie detector tests, they would reveal he was telling the truth insofar as his perception was clouded by the drunken stupor to, in fact, allow himself to believe the abduction scenario was real.yoda
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RE: "The case to debunk the alleged encounter is sound. The technology was too antiquated, even for 1975, to represent an advanced extraterrestrial civilization. In all likelihood, Walton and the boys were sipping a little too much moonshine up there. They got spooked by a forest ranger's helicopter and Walton stumpled off into the woods where he got lost for a short time. Insofar as the lie detector tests, they would reveal he was telling the truth insofar as his perception was clouded by the drunken stupor to, in fact, allow himself to believe the abduction scenario was real."


WOW! nice theory!...should have a wizard in that story though...that will really make it plausable

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go to Phillip Klass website and you will find pages and pages of factual information on the Travis Walton 'abduction' and loads of stuff that the investigaters (Lorenzen) kept hidden or just plain lied about. Travis Walton FAILED the first lie detector test but they denied he ever had it. His story is filled with so many inconsistencies is it just laughable that anybody actually believe it. As the old saying goes 'there is two sides to every story' so thank God for debunkers who can highlight facts that the so called investigators ignore or just plain lie about.
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How do you explain Travis Walton's 5 day disappearance in mid fall? If he was just stumbling around the woods he would have died of exposure. The search party looked for him for 4 days and did not find him. Also, what about the testimony of his 6 coworkers? They saw the UFO that first day and it scared the heck out of them.

Do you also not believe all the other thousands of people who have claimed to have seen flying saucers, aliens, or been abducted (and returned)? Add to that figure, the number of people who don't want to come forward for fear of ridicule or having their life altered by having to defend the truth against nonbelievers such as you?

There is evidence on earth that clearly shows for thousands of years we have had contact with alien beings. Whether they are from other worlds, other times, other dimensions, or other something else, I do not know. What I do know is that many brave people have come forward from different countries, different backrounds, and different time periods, wanting to tell us what they saw and/or experienced that I have to believe them.

Also, there are a hundred billions stars in our galaxy and a hundred billion galaxies in the universe (the galaxy number may be too low). According to scientists many of these galaxies are billions of years older than our Milky Way. If only 1 percent of stars have planets and 1 percent of those support life, and 1 percent of those have intelligent life, and 1 percent of those have life more advanced technologically than ours, and 1 percent of those were able to travel to other worlds, the math results in that last category to be 1 trillion.

Wake up. The aliens are here.
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Anyone remember the Travis Walton UFO incident that occured back in 1975?

Well, after reading this, I'm inclined to believe that Mr. Walton is a fraud:

[link to www.imdb.com]

Read through the entire thread (click link) and you'll discover some interesting details about the case that you probably can't find anyone else.
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and i'll raise you this recently released video rockon



Steve Pierce, witness to the famous Travis Walton alien abduction incident, tells of his trials and tribulations following the 1975 event.
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Following is the first of seven video clips of an interview with Travis Walton. He tells his story in his own words and talks candidly about all the inaccuracies of the story as depicted in Fire in the Sky.



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"But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory" (1 Corinthians chapter 2, verse 7)
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Hi, first post here.

Started to read some of the replies and the reply about the 13th century farmer was interesting.


What if they are not aliens at all and are actually GODS? But we cannot see them as they are and can only imagine them as things we know.

These beings have been with us throughout our history and have been called: Goblins, Fairies, Leprachauns, Chupacabras and many others in different cultures and countries. But all have magical powers. So what are they?

Are we only seeing them now as aliens due to the fact that we are in the sci-fi age?
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Oh and im not religious by the way. But i am open minded.
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Hi, first post here.

Started to read some of the replies and the reply about the 13th century farmer was interesting.


What if they are not aliens at all and are actually GODS? But we cannot see them as they are and can only imagine them as things we know.

These beings have been with us throughout our history and have been called: Goblins, Fairies, Leprachauns, Chupacabras and many others in different cultures and countries. But all have magical powers. So what are they?

Are we only seeing them now as aliens due to the fact that we are in the sci-fi age?
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How about demons?
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To the people that don't believe in UFOs I can only say one thing. One day you'll see one and THEN you'll know.

Until that time you'll just keep on with this sort of BS because you simply don't know any better.
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Just watched a new episode of Paranormal Witness about this abduction. Based on eyewitness testimony alone, I believe this is not a hoax.
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For all the debuggers that think alcohol and or drugs were the cause of this fantastic story: what combo would I have to take to think I was in an alien ship or to see a space ship strike my friend with a light beam? I've tried all kinds of things( pot, shine, shrinks, LSD, lures, coke, etc ) and I have friends that have done others in all sorts of combos and no one has come close to this kind of story.
Why not believe the man and leave it at that? How do you describe a sound or a color? We are not alone, get used to it.