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| Leo****
User ID: 89830
7/22/2008 8:02 PM
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Sorry about the title but you will understand I'm sure.
We just got lucky with a little puppie, she is absolutely adorable as all puppies are I guess. However, she is a Rottweiler and everyone we know are just shaking their heads overtly or covertly, we are not going to master this dog they say in one way or another. We are not going to be able to make her the fantastic dog she could be.
However, we are very firmly of a different opinion. We are firmly committed into making her a fantastic dog regardless of our previous inexperience of dogs. We owe it to her and ourselves.
So what are we going to do then? We are planning to take classes in different types of dog schools to learn more, and all about the tricks that can be used to make dogs behave the way we want. Also have done a good deal of theoretical learning on dog training before, so we have some ideas that we are applying already and it seems to work well.
Our goals with this dog is not to make her a champion on different kinds of challenges, certifications and contests. If good for her, we could accept it but personally we are totally uninterested in awards and medals. The goal of ours is simply to make her a happy dog, and to be owners of a happy confident dog that makes us proud in all the encounters she have with people and other dogs.
It turned out it was more difficult than we thought to find good dog-training classes with instructors that are familiar with this type of dog.
So my question to you people with the responsibility of fostering more "potentially powerful" dogs, what kind of modern and proven training approaches am I to look for and how do I recognize good instructors? What questions should I ask? Lots of inexperienced "instructors" out there I'm afraid.
The approach we have been using so far during our initial socialization/bonding phase is the "amichien bonding"-inspired approach, that is trying to replicate the behaviors the dog would find in her natural setting. It has worked very well, extraordinary in fact.
In essence, I understand it to be very much of what the dog-guru Cesar Milan preaches and we have tried to absorb as much as possible from him as well. Great lessons I must say, you just know it when the puppie responds just like you want her to, feeling happy and confident doing the right thing.
All input is appreciated, approaches to training and play with Rotties to make them the wonderful dogs they really are!
/L |
| czygyny
User ID: 418932
7/22/2008 8:30 PM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
Rotts have their strengths and weaknesses just like any breed. You need to get a handle on training and socialization NOW, so you can end up with a healthy, happy, well controlled hundred pounds of canine.
When I had a Rott X pup show up at our farm, I read everything I could about raising them. As I understood more about them I adopted an adult full blooded Rott that needed a home.
It all was very valuable time spent! This website has comprehensive information in to just about any aspect of Rottweiler behavior and training. I would be careful, however, about asking any questions directly, try to find the information you need, first. There are some really hardboiled Rott people on this forum and they will brow-beat you mercilessly if you seem inadequate for such a powerful breed.
[link to www.rottweiler.net]
Here is another great site to learn about training tough breeds:
[link to leerburg.com]
Some initial tips, do *NOT* allow your pup/dog to sleep with you, nor get up on your furniture! You will run into dominance problems if you do. You must establish dominance in a firm, but loving way very quickly. Rotts are generally stubborn and willful. They have incredible tolerance to pain and are very powerful dogs.
Think about investing in a prong-collar. Contrary to popular belief, they are not cruel and properly used can go a long way to teaching your goliath not to drag you around the park.
Many people like to crate train their dogs, I don't-but I can see the bonuses of having a special place for the dog to stay when they can't be supervised.
Caesar has some wonderful ideas on dog training (or rather, as he puts it people-training) I have his DVD and have found it very helpful.
Do the homework, and do the training. Rotts can be the biggest lap-dog, cuddle-butt, face-licking, protecting dogs, but they can be hell on four paws if not raised right.
P.S. Use puppy food for LARGE DOG BREEDS, please! You need to keep her from growing too fast. You run into problems with their knees, shoulders and hips if you let them grow too fast, and surgery is very expensive.
Have fun! Hope you end up with a winner like Jewel:
[link to i280.photobucket.com] |
| Enaid 
User ID: 310721
7/22/2008 8:43 PM
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Congrats by the way. I remember talking w/you earlier about getting a dog. What did you name her?
I've not had a rotty. But here is my 2 cents..
Dogs are pack animals. She needs to learn you and your family are the alpha. I've also found it important to have puppies socialized with other dogs. We did this at the training and at a park. It really helps them.
I've always trained my dog so that I can reach down and take away his food, goody, bone, and toy while he is eating/playing. I also train them to accept interuption while they are eating. This is esp. important if you have kids. You know kids, they won't think and will reach down and pet the dog while they are eating or chawing on a bone.
I am soo happy for you and your new baby girl. Congrats again. |
| Leo****
User ID: 89830
7/22/2008 9:03 PM
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... a special place for the dog to stay when they can't be supervised.
Caesar has some wonderful ideas on dog training (or rather, as he puts it people-training) I have his DVD an have found it very helpful.
Do the homework, and do the training. Rotts can be the biggest lap-dog, cuddle-butt, face-licking, protecting dogs, but they can be hell on four paws if not raised right.
P.S. Use puppy food for LARGE DOG BREEDS, please! You need to keep her from growing too fast. You run into problems with their knees, shoulders and hips if you let them grow too fast, and surgery is very expensive.
Have fun! Hope you end up with a winner like Jewel:
[ link to i280.photobucket.com]
Thanks for great advice, czygyny! Yes we have looked also into the feeding and training and understood you must take it easy on the Rotties in their youngster and youth phases. Very important.
Got to say her mom was one of the most impressive dogs I ever seen, mentally stable as a rock and built like one as well. She showed great confidence in us which felt very reassuring. To be approved by her like that really meant something to us.
As puppie, our new family member already shows extraordinary intelligence, very easy for her to learn commands! I guess there will be a backlash period later on but this is very promising. Of course the puppie also does things she shouldn't do but that is what they're supposed to... :)
Damned this is fun! Not always easy but worth it.
/L |
| Leo****
User ID: 89830
7/22/2008 9:14 PM
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Congrats by the way. I remember talking w/you earlier about getting a dog. What did you name her?
I've not had a rotty. But here is my 2 cents..
Dogs are pack animals. She needs to learn you and your family are the alpha. I've also found it important to have puppies socialized with other dogs. We did this at the training and at a park. It really helps them.
I've always trained my dog so that I can reach down and take away his food, goody, bone, and toy while he is eating/playing. I also train them to accept interuption while they are eating. This is esp. important if you have kids. You know kids, they won't think and will reach down and pet the dog while they are eating or chawing on a bone.
I am soo happy for you and your new baby girl. Congrats again. Quoting: Enaid
Thanks Enaid!
Yes I was talking about getting an Amstaff earlier but the idea didn't work out... just about every single person I tested the idea on thought I gone crazy or something. After all, your dog needs to be able to play with other dogs to feel happy and this particular kind seems to be difficult in that respect... not because how they are, but because of what other dog owners think of the idea of their own dog playing with Amstaffs or Pitbulls.
You have some very good ideas about what your dog needs to be trained to accept, this is definitely important IMO. Even as puppy she is trained to accept disturbances to her feeding, she has absolutely no problems to that (and why should she have). We own all the things she can play with when we accept her to play with it. Extremely easy to teach that to a puppie, harder later on. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 113248
7/22/2008 9:18 PM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
Call Ceasar the dog whisperer...he knows!
LOVE THAT SHOW! |
| Leo****
User ID: 89830
7/22/2008 9:33 PM
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Call Ceasar the dog whisperer...he knows!
LOVE THAT SHOW! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 113248
Believe me: I have followed that show from the beginning and I don't think I missed a single episode... call me a freak I don't care.
Cesar Milan is great IMO but then again, I have no previous experience of actually owning a dog. It just makes great sense to me the lessons he teaches. Like what to do when the new poor puppy whines, perhaps because she is missing her mother, poor puppie - answer: ignore! This is not the first thing you would have thought of but it is the right thing to do if you are thinking like a dog. Problem solved in no time.
In contrast, I have lots of experience raising kids and when I see that bloody "Super Nanny" show I go berzerk... whatever it means :) |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 113248
7/22/2008 9:37 PM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
Yeah, once I spent an entire Sunday watching episodes of Ceasar.
LOL
He's so good with animals.
I have even done the shhhshhh thing with my daughter's dog...and it works! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 350912
7/22/2008 9:39 PM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
Cesar Millan program is a most for you, the guy knows what he is doing, I am an animal empath, he got it right. |
| Leo****
User ID: 89830
7/22/2008 9:53 PM
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Cesar Millan program is a most for you, the guy knows what he is doing, I am an animal empath, he got it right. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 350912
Absolutely right, IMO as well. I never seen any "counter movement" towards the ideas he preaches but maybe that is because I never found a reason to question them. The ideas are perfectly logical from a dog's point of view and who is better than Cesar to illustrate?
Mayby I'm just proving my ignorance of "real dog training" to people that "really know", if I do please come up with things that challenge the ideas.
The very essence of dog training according to Cesar Milan, what is it?
First, to only reward the dog when he/she is in a calm/submissive state of mind. May seem difficult at first but we found it very natural.
Second, not to be afraid of snapping the dog out of an overly excited state of mind by the "tchhhhh" and an appropriate simulation of a bite if necessary. Also very natural for us.
Certainly there is more but this goes a very long way IMO. Pure genius, maybe "just natural" but works like a charm!
/L |
| Zod
User ID: 457003
7/22/2008 9:59 PM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
Hehe, I just went through an event of my bull-mastiff attacking another small dog unexpectedly.
We've been treating her like a queen, while her smaller dog friend continued to grow older and weaker. Well, I forget to put her food bowl away after she ate, which needs to be done mind you(you MUST decide when they eat). Then her friend wanders over to grab a drink of water from the other dish.
Well my dog thinks that this other beast is going for her food and LATCHES on to her throat, mind you they've been good mates for years. I instinctively jumped on my dog and actually had to pry her jaw open because she was pushing so hard(and her teeth could have cause worse problems by tearing and lifting the skin, it's always better to open the mouth).
I am just glad that she didn't turn her hate towards me with my hands in her mouth, although im decently strong this dog is a beast when it's in full attack mode.
This animal needs to respect you at all times, sometimes you have to be cold. Don't let it beg and eat from your food. Show affection but not constantly, and only when it's appropriate(they do good things, behaving well). Keeping it off your bedcouch is a good tip from another poster.
Don't let it pull you out the door to go outside, it must wait for you to be ready. Make him/her do a sit command -EVERY TIME- you do something like that.(Going outside, getting fed, going for a walk). It will learn to respect you and how you do things if it has to wait.
Try to act like this = 
I just had to get back into "leader status" after this whole event. A bigger dog needs different training because they have the potential to become very dangerous. I was caught up in how sweet and loving this dog was, it's easy to forget about instincts and how they live, and how they can kill.
Luckily the other dog survived, though I'm not so sure it would have if I was a few seconds off on responding. Take care friend, show the dog you mean business at all times. 
When it is submissive to your desire, then you can be affectionate, pretty much sums it up. Don't give the dog love and attention every time you come in the door and it's waiting there wagging it's tail. I know it's cute, but it must learn you have a life also.
Sorry it's kinda long and all over the place but there's some good stuff in there. Trust me :] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 469426
7/22/2008 10:01 PM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
Cesar Millan program is a most for you, the guy knows what he is doing, I am an animal empath, he got it right. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 350912
Agreed, I have a pit, she is the most gentle animal because of this mans methods. They Work!! My one year old daughter loves her too. I can now have people walk in and out of my house (you dog owners know how disruptive that can be), and my dog just pokes her head up to see who it is and just lays right back down. She doesn't pull when walked anymore and could care less if another dog comes walking down our path. Amazing what Cesar can do for your animal. |
| Leo****
User ID: 89830
7/22/2008 10:05 PM
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Zod, that's a story to remember for sure. Those damned instincts...
Glad you could handle the situation! And we are just human creatures in the end, making mistakes.
/L |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 461462
7/22/2008 10:15 PM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
Some initial tips, do *NOT* allow your pup/dog to sleep with you, nor get up on your furniture! You will run into dominance problems if you do. You must establish dominance in a firm, but loving way very quickly. Quoting: czygyny 418932
this is so important, so and many ppl including "professionals" don't do it or stress it. and it's true for any and all dogs, even little ones, in fact they can be worse.
years down the road after the dog has clearly demonstrated that it knows its place in the pack and is fully and
reliably trained, then *occassional* bed/furniture time may be allowable but not until, and it would be years into adulthood. |
| Leo****
User ID: 89830
7/22/2008 10:18 PM
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Cesar Millan program is a most for you, the guy knows what he is doing, I am an animal empath, he got it right.
Agreed, I have a pit, she is the most gentle animal because of this mans methods. They Work!! My one year old daughter loves her too. I can now have people walk in and out of my house (you dog owners know how disruptive that can be), and my dog just pokes her head up to see who it is and just lays right back down. She doesn't pull when walked anymore and could care less if another dog comes walking down our path. Amazing what Cesar can do for your animal. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 469426
I have great confidence in Cesar Milan's methods as well, I know they work to a certain extent already.
Now I'm looking for dog training classes that use similar methods and I expect to see people with similar confidence as Cesar shows... that, I feel, can be a problem.
Lots of the "good old" dog training for the more potent breeds still relies on the stupid 70's ideas of scaring the hell out of the dog (which I just cannot accept as a strategy). With Rotties etc I just know it is dead wrong, intuitively as well as logically. Lots of inexperienced trainers out there I'm afraid.
What are the critical questions to ask if you want to take a class together with your little Rottie or similar? |
| czygyny
User ID: 418932
7/22/2008 11:31 PM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
What are the critical questions to ask if you want to take a class together with your little Rottie or similar? Quoting: Leo****
One thing to ask is if they do the 'alpha roll' on a dog that won't submit. If they do, then don't allow them to train your dog.
I think if you will visit those sites I gave you earlier, you'll get a good idea on what to ask and what to do. It takes some time, but lots of other inexperienced bully-breed owners are learning the hard way, benefit from their experiences and solutions.
Also, in the future, if you want to get another dog, please do not get another female, especially a Rott. They do not generally get along well! While my two girls get along better than many, there is still a power struggle between them and once in a while it still ends up in a fight. We just went through this yesterday. Two large dogs fighting is a scary thing. Now one has puncture wounds to the neck and the other has a gash under her eye and a torn pad. Seems like we go through this about once a year. Get a male!
P.S. Please, please, please, please, please, do NOT breed your dog! If you don't have a dog with certified hips and elbows, if the conformation of the dog is less than perfect, both physically and mentally, and you are unwilling to find a male with this type of soundness or certify your pups, too-you are dooming puppies to a potentially awful life. There are too many rotts and other big dogs in shelters and tied up somewhere with no love, or being used for evil purposes. Take some time to Google 'Rottweiler rescue dogs' sometime, look deep into their eyes, all of them. It will break your heart.
Which brings me to my next rant:
Make your next dog a rescued dog. I have rescued more than ten dogs, some which have stayed with me for the rest of their lives. The emotional and physical damage an uncaring, uneducated, unwilling human can do to a dog is criminal. You risk that when you produce puppies, especially a difficult breed (I also have cattle dogs, which are tough to raise) Have her spayed at the earliest permissible time. Rotts have problems with pregnancies more than some other breeds.
OK, I'll get off my soap-box now, but I've seen enough to be very passionate about bringing cast-off dogs into your life. It can be very rewarding.
And, go get that gorgeous bundle of energy a Kong toy. They are indestructible and you can put treats inside them for hours of fun. The more toys she has the fewer shoes she'll chew. |
| Leo****
User ID: 89830
7/23/2008 9:20 AM
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Czygyny, the "alpha-roll" could be a very good test question to rule out training methods I don't believe in. Great idea.
Concerning the breeding question, I know what you mean and it is extremely sad when these dogs are bred without the strict control needed to prevent genetic problems - both physical and mental - also that they are sold to anyone... including inexperienced people like myself... I'm not going to contribute to that more than what I just did by buying a Rottweiler puppy.
In my country I read somewhere that Rottweilers are the sixth most common dog breed, almost as common as the Cocker Spaniel. Many feel it has become a too popular dog for its own good considering the proportion of dog owners that actually are willing and able to provide these dogs with what they need to be happy and healthy.
To rescue Rottweilers and similar breeds is a great idea, I've thought about it but had to conclude it requires experience I don't have yet. Later on I'm open to the possibility of making myself part of the solution and follow your example. I'm not getting another female in that case, I'd be crazy after hearing about your two females running into such trouble with each other....
Best of luck to you too and thanks for all thoughtful advice!
/L |
| ac
User ID: 320717
7/23/2008 9:29 AM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
Look into the "Dog Listener", Jan Fennell from the UK. We have had great results. Not to be confused with the Dog Whisperer guy on HBO. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 472258
7/23/2008 9:31 AM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
I have three rottweilers. The best advice I can give you is to skip the puppy classes and OB classes and find yourself a working dog club in your area.
Both are open to all breeds
USRC [link to www.usrconline.org]
Schutzhund USA [link to germanshepherddog.com]
the OB classes you get from petsmart or an OB trainer are going to be BS. If you join a working dog club you will learn exactly how to deal with a dominant and hard driving dog like a Rottie. You will also learn positive motivation techniques and supreme Obedience along with other skills like tracking, agility and protection if you and your dog are deemed capable.
the schutzhund trainers are going to be loads better than any other trainer and it will be much cheaper. The dues at my club we $300 for the year and we meet 3-4 days per week.
Go to youtube and search for schutzhund or IPO and see the level of obedience on these dogs.
I started all of my dogs in schutzhund when they were 8-10wks old. You won't regret this... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 472258
7/23/2008 9:33 AM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
I forgot something...
go check out www.workingdogforum.com
www.rottweiler.net is ok but they are a bunch of dog show knuckleheads and aren't going to be able to tell you much about training. The serious training people on that board are on workingdogforum so just go there for the absolute best info. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 432406
7/23/2008 9:37 AM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
Rotts have their strengths and weaknesses just like any breed. You need to get a handle on training and socialization NOW, so you can end up with a healthy, happy, well controlled hundred pounds of canine.
When I had a Rott X pup show up at our farm, I read everything I could about raising them. As I understood more about them I adopted an adult full blooded Rott that needed a home.
It all was very valuable time spent! This website has comprehensive information in to just about any aspect of Rottweiler behavior and training. I would be careful, however, about asking any questions directly, try to find the information you need, first. There are some really hardboiled Rott people on this forum and they will brow-beat you mercilessly if you seem inadequate for such a powerful breed.
[ link to www.rottweiler.net]
Here is another great site to learn about training tough breeds:
[ link to leerburg.com]
Some initial tips, do *NOT* allow your pup/dog to sleep with you, nor get up on your furniture! You will run into dominance problems if you do. You must establish dominance in a firm, but loving way very quickly. Rotts are generally stubborn and willful. They have incredible tolerance to pain and are very powerful dogs.
Think about investing in a prong-collar. Contrary to popular belief, they are not cruel and properly used can go a long way to teaching your goliath not to drag you around the park.
Many people like to crate train their dogs, I don't-but I can see the bonuses of having a special place for the dog to stay when they can't be supervised.
Caesar has some wonderful ideas on dog training (or rather, as he puts it people-training) I have his DVD and have found it very helpful.
Do the homework, and do the training. Rotts can be the biggest lap-dog, cuddle-butt, face-licking, protecting dogs, but they can be hell on four paws if not raised right.
P.S. Use puppy food for LARGE DOG BREEDS, please! You need to keep her from growing too fast. You run into problems with their knees, shoulders and hips if you let them grow too fast, and surgery is very expensive.
Have fun! Hope you end up with a winner like Jewel:
[ link to i280.photobucket.com]
prong collar is a must for good training,better results and less cruel than a choke collar
hotdogs are a good reward and positive enforcement will yield very good results.
puppy food is not a good choice for the reason you stated, puppy food makes a dog grow faster, and will lead to the joint problems, puppy food increases the insulinlike growthfactor, thats the difference between adult and puppy, puppy is for growing a dog...if you want to add size to a dog feed it puppy food(itl be mostly fat though)
crate training is awesome and will save you lots of pissy shitty smells(a rottie can surely dump a load)
not sure about the bed thing but feeding time is a time to instill dominance, if you ever give dogs scraps always make them wait untill after you have eaten and then (and only if they didnt beg) you may feed them scraps, in the wild thats how they establish dominance, like the alpha eats first then the rest down the line to omega
id find a trainer with some experience in shutzhund training, they should have their own dogs who should impress the hell out of you with their obedience, |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 472258
7/23/2008 9:54 AM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
P.S. Use puppy food for LARGE DOG BREEDS, please! You need to keep her from growing too fast. You run into problems with their knees, shoulders and hips if you let them grow too fast, and surgery is very expensive.
prong collar is a must for good training,better results and less cruel than a choke collar
hotdogs are a good reward and positive enforcement will yield Quoting: Anonymous Coward 432406
I feed Canidae All Life Stage and Raw. I don't believe in puppy food.
Don't get a prong until the dog is over a year. I have yet to use a prong on any of my dogs, they haven't needed them.
Leerberg is not great stuff. ok but not great....
go to rayallen.com and get Ivan Balabonov's DVD. they are worth it and it's the best way to train a dog.
Do not over feed the dog, one cup in the morning one cup at noon and one cup at night.
when the dog hits 5mo then one cup in the morning and one at night. Keep your dog a little "ribby". All of my dogs are very lean. Bigger is not better. My male is about 77lbs but he will hit you like a ton of bricks. My female is about 75lbs.
Rotties are NOT big dogs. In fact they are not even considered a large breed by most who breed them to standard. They are supposed to be a medium sized dog. |
| Sinanju
User ID: 466508
7/23/2008 9:59 AM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
I trained a 60lb pit bull/boxer from the time she would fit inside my palm. What I learned was that dogs have physical behaviors learned from their mothers. If you watch how mama dogs treat their litters, you will learn how to be the 'big' dog. For example, when one pup gets too rough with the other pups, the mama dog will firmly flip the pup on its back and bite on its chest with authority while growling. This teaches the pup a behavior that you can emulate even when full grown if you are consistent. When your pup gets too wild or unruly, grab it and flip it over and grab its chest and tell it NOOOOO in a deep and firm growling voice.
Trust me, it works.. you will ALWAYS be the alpha dog. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 472213
7/23/2008 10:19 AM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
Call Ceasar the dog whisperer...he knows!
LOVE THAT SHOW! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 113248
 I raised Bulldogs for thirty years,,,,Ceasar is the "MAN",I wish he had been around when I started out! |
| rottweiler owner
User ID: 472258
7/23/2008 10:22 AM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 472191
7/23/2008 10:28 AM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
Animals are not nearly as "stupid" or oblivious as it seems many people assume. If you raise your baby with love, while nurturing and teaching it with love, what is good or what is bad, there is a very good chance that you will have a co-operative loving companion in your life. All dogs are different, maybe it is wise to meet a dog well before deciding to live with it, or adopt a mature one who needs a home (of which there are many).
Many things like body language and vocal inflections, as well as more abstract things such as "energy," dogs are very sensitive to. Most dogs can easily tell whether you are pleased with it or not and many can clearly sense your feelings. Animals have emotions, as well as humans, though they lack the ability to speak human languages. Though i don't doubt there may be some fantastically genius dogs who have learned a human language well, most cannot. Thus, it is very important to remember that.
Good luck with your doggie. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 432406
7/23/2008 10:31 AM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
Quoting: rottweiler owner 472258
man, that second pic is great!!!!
what a beast, very nice... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 472286
7/23/2008 10:51 AM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 432406
Thanks!! Ya he's a beast. Hardest biting dog I've ever had. Super balanced too. Judging from the smiling pic, you'd never know he that he could beat the hell out of you in an instant.
I was at a trial last year and four kids where fucking with him and he nearly bust out of his crate to get them. Those asshole kids cost me $1400 for a aluminum crate. Nice crate though [link to www.kustomkrates.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 472286
7/23/2008 10:53 AM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
Animals are not nearly as "stupid" or oblivious as it seems many people assume. If you raise your baby with love, while nurturing and teaching it with love, what is good or what is bad, there is a very good chance that you will have a co-operative loving companion in your life. All dogs are different, maybe it is wise to meet a dog well before deciding to live with it, or adopt a mature one who needs a home (of which there are many).
Many things like body language and vocal inflections, as well as more abstract things such as "energy," dogs are very sensitive to. Most dogs can easily tell whether you are pleased with it or not and many can clearly sense your feelings. Animals have emotions, as well as humans, though they lack the ability to speak human languages. Though i don't doubt there may be some fantastically genius dogs who have learned a human language well, most cannot. Thus, it is very important to remember that.
Good luck with your doggie. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 472191
Um... the whole love thing doesn't work. Fair and Firm does.
Love your dog like a kid, especially a rottie and when he's 18mo you'll be asking for help on how to get him off your bed so you can sleep. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 432406
7/23/2008 11:00 AM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
Animals are not nearly as "stupid" or oblivious as it seems many people assume. If you raise your baby with love, while nurturing and teaching it with love, what is good or what is bad, there is a very good chance that you will have a co-operative loving companion in your life. All dogs are different, maybe it is wise to meet a dog well before deciding to live with it, or adopt a mature one who needs a home (of which there are many).
Many things like body language and vocal inflections, as well as more abstract things such as "energy," dogs are very sensitive to. Most dogs can easily tell whether you are pleased with it or not and many can clearly sense your feelings. Animals have emotions, as well as humans, though they lack the ability to speak human languages. Though i don't doubt there may be some fantastically genius dogs who have learned a human language well, most cannot. Thus, it is very important to remember that.
Good luck with your doggie.
Um... the whole love thing doesn't work. Fair and Firm does.
Love your dog like a kid, especially a rottie and when he's 18mo you'll be asking for help on how to get him off your bed so you can sleep. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 472286
pfft... you cant overlove your dog(s)
who says structure and discipline isnt an aspect of loving?
does your kid talk back and kick your ass? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 472294
7/23/2008 11:15 AM | | Re: Opinions on teaching "killer doggies" how to behave? | Quote |
dummy, you can't compare a child to a dog. You can't love them the same way. Completely different species.
I have been training competition, personal protection, herding and estate guard dogs longer than you've been alive.
Look at the pics of my personal dog. Does he look unhappy? Unbalanced? NO.
Does he look like he'd be your buddy and lay on your lap? YEP. Does he look like he would kill a man to protect me? YEP.
Firm and Fair is the way to go. Mushy kissy kissy love BS is for kids not dogs. Everybody that calls me to help them with their dog behavior problems all have one thing in common, they treat the dog like a kid.
There is one woman who thought so much of her dog that she only let it drink bottled water. Fuck that. Do you think dogs give a shit about it?
Dog are the supreme opportunists. They stick around because you feed them not because you love them. Gimmie a bowl of food and a dog for a day and he'll act like he's been with me forever. |
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